EasyStreet casino winner accused of using robot software

[patswin]

You don't profit much from gambling do you?

The players edge is gained by the bonus not by the bot beating the game. In order to meet the rollover deposit and cash the bonus the player would need to play 500 hands of VP at $25 a hand. Over the course of this 500 hands with perfect strategy the player would expect to lose roughly $62 dollars theoretically. Overall the player should capture around $185 of his bonus after meeting his rollover requirement.

The increase in value here has to do with a (time invested-money earned) scenario where the player no longer needs to invest anymore than a few minutes to set the bot up. I am not sure about you but my time is money if I can accomplish a job in less time and earn the same I have increased my value. In this case instead of sitting behind a computer for 6 hours the player sat behind the computer for 5 minutes and than went and did a few loads of laundry.

sharp post and basically says all there is about this case.

[WVU]

I am now on Post Review at the Rx for what I imagine was this post:

So you are not only suggesting that Cory used a bot, but you are suggesting he manipulated the software and actually truly cheated? I am flabberghasted here. You are not handing this very well unless you have seen proof. Posting this to steer public opinion is irresponsible given the fact that we are to take your word on someone else's word

[HedgeHog]

Since you addressed Northbet, I can confirm from working the complaint personally that his entire $15,000+ balance was ultimately paid and his account closed.

1. Northbet accused him of opening his account with a false cash transaction. He claimed to have sent $450, there was a processor error with the transaction, and a copy of a receipt was sent by Cory which was allegedly truly for $50 but altered to appear like $450.

2. Cory's winnings were generated from Video Poker play. His account was disabled and investigated after hitting two Royal Flushes in an alleged 3 week time-frame. No data was provided to SBR on the amount of hands played or speed, because NorthBet admitted not having any evidence that his actual casino play was fraudulent.

If I read this right, Cory took $15k from Northbet on deposit money that was never sent? If true, EZ should send 15k of Cory's winnings to Northbet. Any other books duped by Cory should also get reimbursed first before Cory sees a dime. JMO

[PoweRay]

Should Cory still get paid if he committed fraud at 21 sportsbooks? It seems theres no incentive to ever stop.

[WVU]

Should Cory still get paid if he committed fraud at 21 sportsbooks? It seems theres no incentive to ever stop.

This is Heresay. No one has come forward to say that they banned Cory anywhere. This is all smoke just as Wil's assumption that this guy can produce royal flushes at will

[sharpcat]

I am now on Post Review at the Rx for what I imagine was this post:

I don't see where you got that he was accusing the player of cheating from his statement as he never implied that he simply stated that Cory1111 hit 2 royals at the unsaid book and upon receiving payout from the book immediately did a charge back on his deposit, as if receiving a $26K payout was not good enough for him.

Obviously Cory1111 is a snake and is harmful to those of us who wish to see this industry grow.

[patswin]

where is cory in all of this?
lots of posts by wvu but cory is silent?
strange, if someone owed me $46k I would not want anyone representing me but me.

[HeeeHAWWWW]

Where is the evidence of all this fraud? Have any of the SBR people seen it?

TheRX's habit of censoring their forums to protect their advertisers automatically disqualifies them from any part in this afaic.

[PoweRay]

Cory1111 hit two other Royals in even faster time (2 in 4,000 hands) in late November on an identical DGS machine as the one he used at EZ St. The book wants to remain nameless which is their right but for the record they are not an Rx Sponsor. They paid him $26,000 immediately after which Cory1111 promptly charged back his entire deposit. Needless to say they are not happy seeing this new information emerge.. I am working on posting the entire hand history but it may be tomorrow before that can happen.. Thanks, wilheim

Cory is this true?

[empty cookie jar]

why do people keep saying the burden of proof is on the book?

it is clear -- not 100% proven, but come on man -- that cory used a bot which is a violation of the site's terms. why should the book refund his losses? if i'm running a business and i know someone is cheating, you're damn right i will let them send me their money if they're losing, and when it comes time to pay, why would i make it easy? if anything, my opinion of EZ has gone up because they are standing by their guns.

to demand that the book prove everything while cory remains silent is nonsense. as a $200 bettor for pure enjoyment and someone who is able to maximize his enjoyment through bonuses, i hope the book stands its ground here.

[cory1111]

again im not speaking bc i was asked by sbr, and i prob did hit the 2 royals with northbet in less time,yes, the ********** with them is a lie...and empty cookie jar, i still havent seen one piece of evidence that i used any kind of bot....

[empty cookie jar]

not trying to be disrespectful cory, just find this highly interesting as everyone else seems to.....no hard evidence about the bot, it just seems more of a "what makes sense" kind of thing

where's matlock?

[PoweRay]

again im not speaking bc i was asked by sbr, and i prob did hit the 2 royals with northbet in less time,yes, the ********** with them is a lie...and empty cookie jar, i still havent seen one piece of evidence that i used any kind of bot....

The accusation of you committing fraud at 21 books is extreme, but if any A+ book reps like Scotty came on board and said it was true, it would be very hard to believe you.

[MBENZ]

again im not speaking bc i was asked by sbr, and i prob did hit the 2 royals with northbet in less time,yes, the ********** with them is a lie...and empty cookie jar, i still havent seen one piece of evidence that i used any kind of bot....

Still trying to figure out why you were playing there.

Look at the difference between Easystreet and 5 Dimes payouts for Jokers Wild if you get a natural Royal Flush:

5 Dimes: 2000 for 1
EasyStreet: 250 for 1

Jokers Royal Flush

5 Dimes: 400 for 1
Easystreet: 100 for 1

[milwaukee mike]

Still trying to figure out why you were playing there.

Look at the difference between Easystreet and 5 Dimes payouts for Jokers Wild if you get a natural Royal Flush:

5 Dimes: 2000 for 1
EasyStreet: 250 for 1

Jokers Royal Flush

5 Dimes: 400 for 1
Easystreet: 100 for 1

when you factor in 100% casino bonuses the ev is MUCH better at ez - just curious where did you see he was playing jokers wild?

[greg66]

why do people keep saying the burden of proof is on the book?

Because the book is the one making the allegation. To shift that burden to the player in these type of allegations sets a dangerous precedent.

[WVU]

I don't see where you got that he was accusing the player of cheating from his statement as he never implied that he simply stated that Cory1111 hit 2 royals at the unsaid book and upon receiving payout from the book immediately did a charge back on his deposit, as if receiving a $26K payout was not good enough for him.

Obviously Cory1111 is a snake and is harmful to those of us who wish to see this industry grow.

Cory's story is much different. There is ZERO proof of this alleged ********** to a nameless book. But go ahead and take the word of the book that doesn't want to pay 46k

[WVU]

where is cory in all of this?
lots of posts by wvu but cory is silent?
strange, if someone owed me $46k I would not want anyone representing me but me.

He was Post reviewed before he had a chance to post anything. Yeah, that's fair

[WVU]

Where is the evidence of all this fraud? Have any of the SBR people seen it?

TheRX's habit of censoring their forums to protect their advertisers automatically disqualifies them from any part in this afaic.

^ this

[MBENZ]

when you factor in 100% casino bonuses the ev is MUCH better at ez - just curious where did you see he was playing jokers wild?

When you factor in A book vrs.D book,the ev is Much worse.

[tropolis]

very interesting debate. have no idea what to think of it

[BigDaddy]

Still trying to figure out why you were playing there.

Look at the difference between Easystreet and 5 Dimes payouts for Jokers Wild if you get a natural Royal Flush:

5 Dimes: 2000 for 1
EasyStreet: 250 for 1

Jokers Royal Flush

5 Dimes: 400 for 1
Easystreet: 100 for 1

SL55

where did he ever say he was playing jokers wild?

i thought he was playing JOB?

[BigDaddy]

from looking at EZ payout table on the jokers wild game i don't see anything really wrong with it.

its not one of the highest % payout tables but its not bad.

i could not look at the JOB payout table as the game seems to be not on the list anymore?

[PoweRay]

Those odds and/or game must be incorrect if he won 20k on one of the Royals he hit.

[BigDaddy]

Those odds and/or game must be incorrect if he won 20k on one of the Royals he hit.

20k playing $25 a hand is the correct payout

[sharpcat]

Cory's story is much different. There is ZERO proof of this alleged ********** to a nameless book. But go ahead and take the word of the book that doesn't want to pay 46k

Would we be better off taking the word of the player suspected of violating site rules by using a bot who has been banned by multiple offshore books, one of which being northbet which we know for sure happened 5 months ago?

I do not think we should take either sides word until the facts have all come out. There is also ZERO proof that a ********** did not occur, just how many books the player has been banned from and why, hand history to show that the player did or did not use a bot, etc..

So what exactly makes you believe that your outlook is right and mine is wrong when neither of us know any of the important details to the case?

I am simply choosing to stand up and defend scenario B in this thread because 99% of this forum would likely side with the player if he walked into easystreet HQ with a gun and robbed them. Guys like Pokerplayer22 have made it point to continue to pound into peoples heads that EZ is in the wrong with no evidence to prove it, I am simply pointing out the other possible scenarios in order to prevent the book from being extorted by the rabble of an angry mob who have been fed misleading information.

[BigDaddy]

this bot issue is a joke.

its not hard to play JOB

who cares if he used a bot

it's still a -ev game

whats next

sportsbooks start taking winnings away from bettors that use a computer program to pick games for them?

[PoweRay]

You get better odds on the 5th coin. JoB at Betjam pays 4000 coins for a Royal when you betmax 5 coins. Cory played the $5 denomination/$25 a hand to hit $20k.

[empty cookie jar]

this bot issue is a joke. its not hard to play JOB who cares if he used a bot it's still a -ev game whats next sportsbooks taking winnings away from bettors that use a computer program to pick games for them?

sure, if the site stated in its terms that AI is not allowed in picking games

[WVU]

Would we be better off taking the word of the player suspected of violating site rules by using a bot who has been banned by multiple offshore books, one of which being northbet which we know for sure happened 5 months ago?

I do not think we should take either sides word until the facts have all come out. There is also ZERO proof that a ********** did not occur, just how many books the player has been banned from and why, hand history to show that the player did or did not use a bot, etc..

So what exactly makes you believe that your outlook is right and mine is wrong when neither of us know any of the important details to the case?

I am simply choosing to stand up and defend scenario B in this thread because 99% of this forum would likely side with the player if he walked into easystreet HQ with a gun and robbed them. Guys like Pokerplayer22 have made it point to continue to pound into peoples heads that EZ is in the wrong with no evidence to prove it, I am simply pointing out the other possible scenarios in order to prevent the book from being extorted by the rabble of an angry mob who have been fed misleading information.

I just dont want to take the book's word on anything. If they say they have found another book that claims he charged back then let them name the book so the guy can at least defend himself. Why wouldn't the book want to be named? maybe they don't exist. The only proof so far offered was Cory's multiple deposits over a couple month period. Those facts support Cory not being a charge back scammer. So far, Cory is winning this battle with the FACTS that have been posted.

[BigDaddy]

this guy hasn't charged back shit.

he sent 10 M G deposits

that is not what a scammer that had planned to do a charge back do.

[patswin]

He was Post reviewed before he had a chance to post anything. Yeah, that's fair

so what, he is not banned? just on post review, he can still post there
he should be sticking up for himself

[MBENZ]

sure, if the site stated in its terms that AI is not allowed in picking games

I don't know the answer,but how many other sites post their T&C like ES?It seems like they were covering their ass in case they got hit with a decent winner.

[WVU]

so what, he is not banned? just on post review, he can still post there
he should be sticking up for himself

Bullshit. My posts aren't getting through so why would his?

[patswin]

this bot issue is a joke.

its not hard to play JOB

who cares if he used a bot

it's still a -ev game

whats next

sportsbooks start taking winnings away from bettors that use a computer program to pick games for them?

its not an -EV game when you get a 100% match bonus every time
Turns it into a very +EV game
If he was making the deposits without a bonus and using a bot then yes it would not matter because its a -EV game. but he was getting 100% match bonuses every time. Big difference