Betmaker Review - In progress

[Igetp2s]

It's incomprehensible that they keep up closed markets for no real reason, to clutter up the page more than it already is.

[jackkkk2009]

they dont have "instant check" as a deposit method anymore

will they have it back later or no more forever?

[ArunSh]

Yeah those closed/suspended markets really need to go!

[Johnny 55]

Okay, Betmaker sucks, I have played there for a couple weeks and it is horrible, baseball was horrible yesterday, thought we could at least get some 2 cent lines going but if there is no monetary incentive to post offers they are just not going to be posted, simple as that, garbage liquidity, stupid platform, and of course, my winning Lakers bet from last night still has not even been graded yet. Betmaker is sitting on a goldmine and just throwing it all away.

[relaaxx]

Okay, Betmaker sucks, I have played there for a couple weeks and it is horrible, baseball was horrible yesterday, thought we could at least get some 2 cent lines going but if there is no monetary incentive to post offers they are just not going to be posted, simple as that, garbage liquidity, stupid platform, and of course, my winning Lakers bet from last night still has not even been graded yet. Betmaker is sitting on a goldmine and just throwing it all away.

exactly - they do not do anything right - glad i had so many problems depositing - i never did - will wait for someone else to start up an exchange. it will have to be better than the set up at BETMAKER.

[SpiderMonkey]

will they have it back later or no more forever?

I was told it would be back "in the next few days"

[David]

Too bad no good options for US players looking for an exchange.

[todd73nj]

Anyone knows how to hide the closed games? It is hard to tell open games from closed ones.

Ive asked them to remove them at start time.. but not sure why they wont.

does anyone like the way the site is set up at BETMAKER. besides the 1 obvious person on this thread who would.

Its a poor mans BetFair Setup. There need to be some changes. But this process is very slow

they dont have "instant check" as a deposit method anymore

They changed it for established account. It is available for me. I guess because of the amount of new customers they ran into processor issues? Only reason I could see for taking down the best deposit method for the masses.

[todd73nj]

Okay, Betmaker sucks, I have played there for a couple weeks and it is horrible, baseball was horrible yesterday, thought we could at least get some 2 cent lines going but if there is no monetary incentive to post offers they are just not going to be posted, simple as that, garbage liquidity, stupid platform, and of course, my winning Lakers bet from last night still has not even been graded yet. Betmaker is sitting on a goldmine and just throwing it all away.

exactly - they do not do anything right - glad i had so many problems depositing - i never did - will wait for someone else to start up an exchange. it will have to be better than the set up at BETMAKER.

For me, no problems depositing or withdrawing. Very quick and painless, But I can Use instant deposit. The liquidity and prices are equal to or better than an exchange we had available. And thats the main purpose.

As far as closeouts have gone - Anything that ends while there are still markets up for that night have been within minutes! So not sure what you guys are talking about. If its a last game of the night - its been hours later or even early the next morning. But that was prett much the stand with Matchbook too.

All of the other stuff, closed games still appearing, set up, not changing pages, etc.. extremely frustrating. And for those who waited to make an Edeposit, Im sure deposit methods are frustrating too.

[Doug]

absolutely horrible website, seperate clicks for Ml, RL, Total.

[tofuman]

yes the site is crap because they don't really put a lot of resources into it, remember they are owned by CRIS which also owns bookmaker.com which brings in tons more money for them. The fact that they are owned by CRIS also means this is a stable company and not going to disappear overnight. The problems will take time to fix but we can all overlook little quirks in their website if we are getting one-cent lines.

if all the ex-matchbookers opened accounts at betmaker and started trading there we could get one-cent MLB lines and all save a lot of money

[Sdotbold]

They changed it for established account. It is available for me. I guess because of the amount of new customers they ran into processor issues? Only reason I could see for taking down the best deposit method for the masses.

I deposited with this method the day matchbook got rid of US players. Guess because i only made one deposit im not established. But enough that they call 3 times a week for a **. I just dont want to go to walmart and send money to someone with 3 names. the CS woman i talked to yesterday said they are working on a new processor.

[Sdotbold]

Todd have you been with the Cris family of books for a long time? I dont hate betmaker. Sometimes i can get some good bets down on there. Just the site is crappy but its something i can overlook if i am making money.

[Igetp2s]

Ive asked them to remove them at start time.. but not sure why they wont.

For the same reason that they won't update the commissions page. Because the people running it just don't care. I've seen enough to see that this is run completely unprofessionally.

[todd73nj]

absolutely horrible website, seperate clicks for Ml, RL, Total.

For me right now the lines are as good or better than what I was getting. And they pay me. The rest ... Wish it could be better.

I deposited with this method the day matchbook got rid of US players. Guess because i only made one deposit im not established. But enough that they call 3 times a week for a **. I just dont want to go to walmart and send money to someone with 3 names. the CS woman i talked to yesterday said they are working on a new processor.

I made 3 deposits ... An initial one for a few hundred, then 2 at the max.

Todd have you been with the Cris family of books for a long time? I dont hate betmaker. Sometimes i can get some good bets down on there. Just the site is crappy but its something i can overlook if i am making money.

Im not sure who is included in Cris - but I dont not have a Cris Account or a Bookmaker account and only signed up for Betmaker on March 1st. And you are correct - if you are getting paid and the lines are good.. have to deal with the rest for now.. or simply dont play there.

[todd73nj]

For the same reason that they won't update the commissions page. Because the people running it just don't care. I've seen enough to see that this is run completely unprofessionally.

Yeah you are right.. who cares that in any given market at least 75% of their prices and liquidity are better than the book you were forced to leave. Making money doesnt even play a part of it

The poster a few messages up was right.. if you are making money thats what matters. (And being paid of course)

If your commissions are 2% - who cares what it says. They will change it eventually I hope. Talk about bad book management.. there arent many books that get an A+ for that.

[Milk Money]

On a positive note they do have a fair amount of money for runlines today.

[Igetp2s]

Yeah you are right.. who cares that in any given market at least 75% of their prices and liquidity are better than the book you were forced to leave. Making money doesnt even play a part of it The poster a few messages up was right.. if you are making money thats what matters. (And being paid of course) If your commissions are 2% - who cares what it says. They will change it eventually I hope. Talk about bad book management.. there arent many books that get an A+ for that.

Yeah, who needs clear and unmistakable answers to questions such as deposit methods, withdrawal methods, and fees? Much better to have a different answer for every person who asks them. How do we even know the 2% commission is permanent, other than you saying so? Is there are proof at all? Besides, with simple line shopping I have found better prices than I could have gotten at Betmaker, on majority of games. Don't kid yourself. The spreads aren't that amazing, when you include the commissions.

[todd73nj]

On a positive note they do have a fair amount of money for runlines today.

Much more than the book I was betting baseball at. Same as for the NCAA and NBA!

Yeah, who needs clear and unmistakable answers to questions such as deposit methods, withdrawal methods, and fees? Much better to have a different answer for every person who asks them. How do we even know the 2% commission is permanent, other than you saying so? Is there are proof at all? Besides, with simple line shopping I have found better prices than I could have gotten at Betmaker, on majority of games. Don't kid yourself. The spreads aren't that amazing, when you include the commissions.

The Deposit and WD methods are listed, and those are very clear. Maybe they arent suitable to you. And Im saying there is one more that isnt listed. So if you can work with whats listed - and there is another.. even better.

Well for my situation, even if 2% isnt for good, if you look in your account snapshot you can see your points. I am clearly at 2% anyway because of the discount. I have about their max amount of points.

And please - rather than quote that you have found lines better, put up a screen shot. Because in the books I look at, they have the best prices. Claiming you found the best lines is just that without any proof. And if you dont want anyone to know where.. just black out the logo lol

[relaaxx]

must be nice for BETMAKER not to have to answer any questions themselves but at the same time have every question here on this thread get answered. every problem anyone has with the site dealt with a positive spin, all without having to say a word themselves. without saying anything - there is nothing to hold them to. can't wait for the next exchange to show up and it will - BETMAKER'S days are numbered. they are not smart enough to cease this oppurtunity. that much is very clear.

[todd73nj]

must be nice for BETMAKER not to have to answer any questions themselves but at the same time have every question here on this thread get answered. every problem anyone has with the site dealt with a positive spin, all without having to say a word themselves. without saying anything - there is nothing to hold them to. can't wait for the next exchange to show up and it will - BETMAKER'S days are numbered. they are not smart enough to cease this oppurtunity. that much is very clear.

For one.. their days cant be numbered. Thats an awful view of the situation! They are making more money than they ever had. The first day I signed up there - I think about 10 markets even listed a matched bet. And maybe they were for $40? Not they are matching tons more than that. I can post prices and get hit now.

I think a better view might be that they are the only exchange available to US players, their business has increased 50 fold - maybe more - and/or possibly they feel they dont need to make any changes because they have better odds than the outlet that had the best odds available to American players.

Possibly - they are not equipped to make these changes. Like someone said in the very early posts here that this was just a $10 investment that Bookmaker made.

But if you look at their horse site, which is run by Betmaker management, its unreal, its great.

[Legions36]

Its to bad that there totals and spreads are off because the volume has significally increased there.

[tofuman]

when did betmaker open for business?

[todd73nj]

Its to bad that there totals and spreads are off because the volume has significally increased there.

Volume is great. Im able to get plays down there much easier than I did at MB. Even futures have better markets imo.

when did betmaker open for business?

Not sure. But before the first week of March that place was a ghost town. Im sure someone had an account for a long time and can answer that

[tofuman]

Todd,
ask management to lower their commissions, 2% is too high and matchbook moved away from that model a long time ago.

[todd73nj]

Todd,
ask management to lower their commissions, 2% is too high and matchbook moved away from that model a long time ago.

A couple problems with that:

1) They already lowered the commissions drastically if you figure out what people were paying on that old structure as they worked their way up the discount ladder, and the max discount.

2) We cant get them to change the commission page to even say 2% at the moment.

3) Why did matchbook move away from it? Maybe more because they were failing and desperate for business? When you are the only game in town - and you are already significantly lower in commissions than the gorilla that is Betfair, why go lower? If their structure was so profitable - why sell? Just because MB did it - doesnt mean it was successful for them.

[RealSlimShady]

I have been getting decent prices in baseball the last couple of days. It's odd how some games have thousands of dollars just a couple of cents wide but pittance on the others.

[ArunSh]

NBA liquidity has really dried up, I suppose because baseball started. But baseball is getting good lines it seems so that's something!

[the sink]

Not much difference between 2% on winnings and 1% on every bet...

[bookie]

3) Why did matchbook move away from it?

MB wanted to make offerers/accepters the driving distinction so that they could reward the offerers and make the accepters pay the commission.

[todd73nj]

I have been getting decent prices in baseball the last couple of days. It's odd how some games have thousands of dollars just a couple of cents wide but pittance on the others.

NBA liquidity has really dried up, I suppose because baseball started. But baseball is getting good lines it seems so that's something!

Im seeing pretty good baseball prices. Comparing them to MB on a daily basis - and there is more available on Betmaker. Obviously MB not having US players hurts those markets big time.

As far as NBA - Ive noticed in the last few days that the more meaningless games have been dry. But a game that still has some spurpose to the playoffs has been fine. I wont bet a game that means nothing because you have no idea who is playing and for how long.

Not much difference between 2% on winnings and 1% on every bet...

Id agree. And I was pretty much a price taker on MB - 75% of the time or more - so I didnt get any rebate.

MB wanted to make offerers/accepters the driving distinction so that they could reward the offerers and make the accepters pay the commission.

I dont really think the commission structure changed anything when they put it in place. I was playing there at the time of the change and like I said, I am usually a price taker - and I certainly did not find any more liquidity.

[Legions36]

I have been doing other things since Match and kinda fell off looking at BM, was considering loading the account a month ago. Is there any money to be made there or what??What u guys thing I dont really want to waist my time

[yellowman]

I've been playing at Betmaker since the start of MLB; I like it so far, I can get down $ on what I want most of the time - I primarily make offers, just to get a better number. They seem to seed the lines a little later than MB did, a couple of the runlines on the early games today weren't seeded, but for the most part, it is very comparable to MB. Have done pretty well so far, up 30%, haven't requested any withdrawls or anything like that yet. The guys that have it made are the ones who can scalp between MB and BM, thats where the money can be made

[Legions36]

I've been playing at Betmaker since the start of MLB; I like it so far, I can get down $ on what I want most of the time - I primarily make offers, just to get a better number. They seem to seed the lines a little later than MB did, a couple of the runlines on the early games today weren't seeded, but for the most part, it is very comparable to MB. Have done pretty well so far, up 30%, haven't requested any withdrawls or anything like that yet. The guys that have it made are the ones who can scalp between MB and BM, thats where the money can be made

good 2 know thanks man.

[ArunSh]

Scalping between MB and BM doesn't seem that great from what I've seen - yeah occasionally you can get some slight arbs, but given you have to pay commission at both places, overall doesn't add up to much.