Betmaker Review - In progress

[Hareeba!]

Please, quote my post. Make sure to include where I was critical of Deposits and Withdrawals. What a dope.

what a dope indeed!

perhaps you should re-acquaint yourself with post #191

[ArunSh]

Wish they'd put up halftime lines too!

[tofuman]

Wish they'd put up halftime lines too!

lets not get greedy here, i would be happy if they just freakin updated their current lines... and then add alternate lines

[todd73nj]

The data for MB and Betmaker is above. MB is clearly no better than Betmaker in anyway.

Hareeba,

Please. The post refers to the data from MB and BMs lines. It tells you the data is above. And from that data, and the other data Ive posted on lines, Mathcbook is not better than Betmaker.

[todd73nj]

I took the only line I was betting for the day.

And again today;
NHL Toronto @ Minnesota
BM +108 -113 for some peanuts on offer
MB +109 -111 for higher offers and I've already been matched for a tidy sum



you're right of no interest to me and I've already conceded that others have said there's no liquidity in that at MB but that's irrelevant to anything I've said in this discussion

perhaps this is a sign that what MB said about the US players not being the backbone of their site is correct as I would think there is probably very little interest in it outside of the US as compared with the pro sports

Lets pick one Random game?

Bubba Watson is a better player than Tiger Woods because he can out drive him! Right?

MB is seeding their markets. US players were the backbone of their operation.

[ArunSh]

NHL liquidity doesn't seem so great unfortunately - lines / $ available barely moved near game time even. NCAAs didn't seem great either, only NBA has fairly good action. Hopefully things keep picking up as time goes by and more people migrate.

[Hareeba!]

Hareeba,

Please. The post refers to the data from MB and BMs lines. It tells you the data is above. And from that data, and the other data Ive posted on lines, Mathcbook is not better than Betmaker.

you said "in any way"
that doesn't restrict it to just the odds
and you odds don't factor in commission or deposit and withdrawal fees
and as I've proved the games I was playing a few days back I found better prices and more liquidity at MB than was available at BM so your statement is blown to pieces
time to admit it isn't true

[Hareeba!]

Lets pick one Random game?

I'll leave you to play games
My only interest is in where I can get on as much as I want at the best price

Bubba Watson is a better player than Tiger Woods because he can out drive him! Right?

not interested in nonsense
stick to the topic please

MB is seeding their markets.

I don't know, I suspect you know even less, but SO FREAKIN' WHAT?
Their money is as good as anyone's to me thank you very much

US players were the backbone of their operation.

I don't know for sure. I suspect you know even less.
MB have stated that's not true.
Their credibility is waaaaay stronger than your's in my view.
But SO FREAKIN' WHAT?
I am still getting the same sort of over-Pinnacle odds as I was before the US players were closed down.

[GoWings]

Jesus this argument between you guys is really derailing this thread. This is about reviewing Betmaker ideally for people in the US who can no longer play on Matchbook and are looking for a viable alternative. Hareeba is obviously just trolling you. Start a new thread to debate Betmaker vs. Matchbook because for most reading this it is a mute point.

Todd in your conversations with the Betmaker folks have they mentioned anything about launching an aggressive marketing campaign targeted at MB refugees and American players in general. It seems like they are sitting on a gold mine being the only game in town and especially with their affiliation with a highly respected brand like CRIS. It just seems crazy they aren't maximizing the potential they have or at least advertising somewhere. If people knew about this place I'm sure liquidity would skyrocket, the average bettor probably doesn't read gambling forums and are completely oblivious to this places existence.

Also why can't they put lines up earlier being an exchange I see no reason they can't post the next days games much earlier than they currently are along with alternate lines etc....

Thanks todd for all your hard work in this thread. I'll be depositing for baseball season hopefully everyone who played MB will do the same.

[Hareeba!]

Jesus this argument between you guys is really derailing this thread. This is about reviewing Betmaker ideally for people in the US who can no longer play on Matchbook and are looking for a viable alternative. Hareeba is obviously just trolling you. Start a new thread to debate Betmaker vs. Matchbook because for most reading this it is a mute point.

Todd in your conversations with the Betmaker folks have they mentioned anything about launching an aggressive marketing campaign targeted at MB refugees and American players in general. It seems like they are sitting on a gold mine being the only game in town and especially with their affiliation with a highly respected brand like CRIS. It just seems crazy they aren't maximizing the potential they have or at least advertising somewhere. If people knew about this place I'm sure liquidity would skyrocket, the average bettor probably doesn't read gambling forums and are completely oblivious to this places existence.

Also why can't they put lines up earlier being an exchange I see no reason they can't post the next days games much earlier than they currently are along with alternate lines etc....

Thanks todd for all your hard work in this thread. I'll be depositing for baseball season hopefully everyone who played MB will do the same.

mate, I'm in this thread to learn if BM is worth joining
in the course of that all I've been attempting to do is correct the crap which Todd keeps posting against MB. I just wish he'd drop off them and get back on topic but I won't let his crap go uncorrected.
my posts have been far more on track in attempting to find out details about BM
there are others than US players who may be interested in BM if we can ever get the facts straight

[relaaxx]

mate, I'm in this thread to learn if BM is worth joining
in the course of that all I've been attempting to do is correct the crap which Todd keeps posting against MB. I just wish he'd drop off them and get back on topic but I won't let his crap go uncorrected.
my posts have been far more on track in attempting to find out details about BM
there are others than US players who may be interested in BM if we can ever get the facts straight

you seem to be asking the same questions i want answered. thanks ,keep it up. i get different information about a few things there. like deposit and withdrawl, options and fees(believe i now have correct answers about depsoiting after talking to kate.) i also do not see much liquidity. when you see a good number there is usually not much on it. and worst of all the slow if at all line changes(can't they just leave them all up) i also just don't get why they charge a fee for depositing,fees for winning bets then a fee to withdraw. right now they should just get people in there. the more people the better the liquidity. i will be depositing and pay the fees to try them out,with a small amout(1000). if they did not charge a fee and maybe even gave me a small bonus i would be depositing much more(5000-10000) to start with. then because of the bonus i would have rollover, which would make me give them more play. but they seem to be doing nothing to get more players there. seem to be more interested in fees, than anything else.

[jackkkk2009]

Alternated lines & halftimes both are needed for getting more players.

[todd73nj]

Jesus this argument between you guys is really derailing this thread. This is about reviewing Betmaker ideally for people in the US who can no longer play on Matchbook and are looking for a viable alternative. Hareeba is obviously just trolling you. Start a new thread to debate Betmaker vs. Matchbook because for most reading this it is a mute point.

Todd in your conversations with the Betmaker folks have they mentioned anything about launching an aggressive marketing campaign targeted at MB refugees and American players in general. It seems like they are sitting on a gold mine being the only game in town and especially with their affiliation with a highly respected brand like CRIS. It just seems crazy they aren't maximizing the potential they have or at least advertising somewhere. If people knew about this place I'm sure liquidity would skyrocket, the average bettor probably doesn't read gambling forums and are completely oblivious to this places existence.

Also why can't they put lines up earlier being an exchange I see no reason they can't post the next days games much earlier than they currently are along with alternate lines etc....

Thanks todd for all your hard work in this thread. I'll be depositing for baseball season hopefully everyone who played MB will do the same.

They are supposed to be working on all this. It was mentioned to me there would be a "Play Money" site to learn on that would be marketed. They are sitting on a gold mine. If it was me - I would be working day and night right now, and leaning back and reaping the rewards later.

Im very disappointed that they didnt change the commissions page! People have been asking and aksing about commission rates, and here I am saying its 2% period. It is 2%. But the page still isnt changed. Last week they said it would be changed this week.

Why things are taking so long is very disheartening. I will email them again tomorrow. Ill mention some of your ideas.

Betmaker liquidity and line value right now - >>>>>
Betmaker making necessary changes - >>>>>

mate, I'm in this thread to learn if BM is worth joining
in the course of that all I've been attempting to do is correct the crap which Todd keeps posting against MB. I just wish he'd drop off them and get back on topic but I won't let his crap go uncorrected.
my posts have been far more on track in attempting to find out details about BM
there are others than US players who may be interested in BM if we can ever get the facts straight

Hareeba forgot to mention, his last message was posted from his knees, Bowing to MB

Alternated lines & halftimes both are needed for getting more players.

There have been HT lines posted here and there - anyone else noticed them? Some of the NCAA BB games have had lines. Refresh during HT and look under NCAA BB. Why they arent there every game is beyond me!

[tofuman]

why don't they update the lines for NCAAB? VA Commonwealth still sitting on +3.5, everywhere else is +4, Kentucky still +5.5, everywhere else +6.
I went to their live chat and no one is there. No response.

[Hareeba!]

why don't they update the lines for NCAAB? VA Commonwealth still sitting on +3.5, everywhere else is +4, Kentucky still +5.5, everywhere else +6.
I went to their live chat and no one is there. No response.

Ah, but nevertheless Todd will tell you how much better they are than MB.

[SpiderMonkey]

why don't they update the lines for NCAAB? VA Commonwealth still sitting on +3.5, everywhere else is +4, Kentucky still +5.5, everywhere else +6.
I went to their live chat and no one is there. No response.

Since they are an exchange - all lines will be hung on a half point ... they don't make money on pushes.

[Hareeba!]

Since they are an exchange - all lines will be hung on a half point ... they don't make money on pushes.

despite that, MB do post even point lines as they mirror Pinnacle's

[tofuman]

despite that, MB do post even point lines as they mirror Pinnacle's

yea, betmaker is just asleep at the wheel.

[Sdotbold]

I liked matchbook much better. Betmaker has gotten a little better since i opened my account but they def have a long way to go IMO. Stale lines, no in game wagering on the sports i bet on. I have heard they have in game on some but i have yet to see it. But occasionally i can get down on a good bet on there so it isnt always terrible. I hope it improves or the rebate wager exchange becomes the new matchy in the US. I miss it, LOL.

[SpiderMonkey]

despite that, MB do post even point lines as they mirror Pinnacle's

So?

Horse book also excellent BTW.

[ArunSh]

I'm happy with it for sure. Some lines are stale, but that can be both good and bad (can find a much better line than other places sometimes).

[Hareeba!]

So?

well you said that BM would only post half point lines because they are an exchange

but Matchbook is also an exchange and they don't only have half point lines
but Betfair do - and don't move them

[tofuman]

jesus betmaker update your freakin NCAAB lines!

their contact page doesn't even submit (tried it on all browsers):

Webpage error details

Message: Object expected
Line: 53
Char: 1
Code: 0
URI: https://betmaker.com/

[tofuman]

the standard juice on other bookies (-110) is killing me and adds up to over thousands of dollars in unsaved money.. I really need to use an exchange but betmaker w/ their stale-ass lines isn't cutting it.

[Odessa]

I still can't figure out how to withdraw money from BM. Any help is appreciated.

[todd73nj]

why don't they update the lines for NCAAB? VA Commonwealth still sitting on +3.5, everywhere else is +4, Kentucky still +5.5, everywhere else +6.
I went to their live chat and no one is there. No response.

Ah, but nevertheless Todd will tell you how much better they are than MB.

Since they are an exchange - all lines will be hung on a half point ... they don't make money on pushes.

despite that, MB do post even point lines as they mirror Pinnacle's

LOL. Why would you want a even line? Matchbook in all of its brilliance would even use even lines in their live betting. They would generate tons of commissions (back a year ago when people actually traded live) - and then have to unwind everything.

I'm happy with it for sure. Some lines are stale, but that can be both good and bad (can find a much better line than other places sometimes).

For those who claim they are scalpers - its the best thing that could happen. If you can buy the favorite Kentucky at -5.5 from the example above, and then go get the dog at +6 - Thats a free chance at a big score because you will get better odds being that its an exchange. So for anyone that is complaining about that - you should take a look around.. because if you really feel it will be a 6 point game exactly, you stand to make a lot of money.

[omahamoneymaker]

Todd is correct in that it is nice to have stale lines available. Would be nice to have some updated lines available as well however. I am currently sitting on Knicks -3.5 -108, Detroit -1.5 -106 and Bulls -5.5 -105. I snatched all of them up this morning. Now I am just waiting to get matched on the other side. I am offering Charlottes +3.5 +117, Pacers +1.5 +119 and Bucks +5.5 +113. Won't make a ton but should scrap up 30 bucks with no effort or risk as all of these were one point off current lines when I got them this morning.

[relaaxx]

LOL. Why would you want a even line? Matchbook in all of its brilliance would even use even lines in their live betting. They would generate tons of commissions (back a year ago when people actually traded live) - and then have to unwind everything.



For those who claim they are scalpers - its the best thing that could happen. If you can buy the favorite Kentucky at -5.5 from the example above, and then go get the dog at +6 - Thats a free chance at a big score because you will get better odds being that its an exchange. So for anyone that is complaining about that - you should take a look around.. because if you really feel it will be a 6 point game exactly, you stand to make a lot of money.

for the most part your posts have been helpful, even if i do not agree with some of your responses to others. but 1. sometimes you would want an even line if everyone else has that line. 2. if i am scalping i would go with -6 and make sure i make more money on the bet than having to have it land on exactly 6 to make a big hit(at MB i would have that choice). either way i always had the choice at MB. there are no choices at BM except the 1 line for every team, every game. if MB were still availible to US players noone would give a rats ass about BM. and even now that i can not use MB. BM still doesn't look that good. and is certanly not the best thing that could happen that i can use BM instead of MB for anything. deposits-payouts-fees-lines-liquidity-

[Igetp2s]

They are supposed to be working on all this. It was mentioned to me there would be a "Play Money" site to learn on that would be marketed. They are sitting on a gold mine. If it was me - I would be working day and night right now, and leaning back and reaping the rewards later. Im very disappointed that they didnt change the commissions page! People have been asking and aksing about commission rates, and here I am saying its 2% period. It is 2%. But the page still isnt changed. Last week they said it would be changed this week. Why things are taking so long is very disheartening. I will email them again tomorrow. Ill mention some of your ideas. Betmaker liquidity and line value right now - >>>>> Betmaker making necessary changes - >>>>> Hareeba forgot to mention, his last message was posted from his knees, Bowing to MB There have been HT lines posted here and there - anyone else noticed them? Some of the NCAA BB games have had lines. Refresh during HT and look under NCAA BB. Why they arent there every game is beyond me!

So basically their customer service and listening to customers is about as pitiful as Matchbook was. That's just great.

[ArunSh]

Scalping I don't think is very effective - even if the lines are good, there is generally only a couple hundred dollars available, you aren't going to make much scalping probably. But if you want a good bet, and your bet size is a couple hundred or smaller, then there are good opportunities available for sure.

[Johnnythunder]

Doesnt appear that they have any intention of offering reasonable payout costs

Currently 1 users waiting for Live Help. [Refresh]

Would you like to continue waiting or leave an Offline Email ?

You are now chatting with Jay Ford (Customer Service)

Jay: Welcome to Live Help, How may I help you today?

Jay: Hi John How can I help you?

John: played at matchbook and really need an exchange

John: what are your deposit options?

Jay: We have ** and **

John: oh

John: when did you get those options?

Jay: Its been a while

Jay: you are in the US?

John: its been a while? I've been following a thread on sbr and a few weeks ago people mentioned you didnt offer ** or **

John: yes in Florida

Jay: Oh we have this option available all the time. Can I have an account manager call you?

John: not right now

John: but do you offer tennis?

Jay: Yes, we cover major events.

Jay: If you dont see events you want, you may contact us. We will let our Agents know that your requesting for it.

John: ok sounds good

John: ill be depositing this week

John: you offer a 9 dollar ******* as payout?

Jay: No, we have a ******** **************** fee of $50

John: you need to offer a better option

John: everyone feels that way

John: or one free payout per month

John: what the********?

John: paid out

John: still there?

Jay: ********* is $3000

John: i think everyone on the sbr thread was mentioning you need a cheap payout option

John: so i mentioned the same thing

Jay: We have a small commission

John: so

John: it doesnt cost more than 9 dollars to send a ********

Jay: But, the ******* comes out from Costa Rica.

Jay: **********************

John: look not having a cheap option may keep me from playing there

John: it dissuades others too

John: matchbook had no problem sending 9 dollar checks

John: they actually sent me dozens of free checks

John: thanks for the chat

John: have a nice day

Jay: I understand, but Matchbook did close the accounts n US markets,

Jay: I will let our Manager know about your suggestion

John: its the suggestion of everyone ive spoken to

John: im sure your manager is already well aware

Jay: Thank you John. Maybe we can find a solution that in regards to **********

John: ok

[tofuman]

@Johnnythunder
thanks for the post.
damn $50 just to get a ********, it didn't even cost that much on MB using their fedex option ($39).
I'm surprised you even managed to talk to a live person, every time I click live support it just sits there saying 1 users in line.
They really need to improve in a lot of areas before I open an acct. w/ them.

[todd73nj]

Todd is correct in that it is nice to have stale lines available. Would be nice to have some updated lines available as well however. I am currently sitting on Knicks -3.5 -108, Detroit -1.5 -106 and Bulls -5.5 -105. I snatched all of them up this morning. Now I am just waiting to get matched on the other side. I am offering Charlottes +3.5 +117, Pacers +1.5 +119 and Bucks +5.5 +113. Won't make a ton but should scrap up 30 bucks with no effort or risk as all of these were one point off current lines when I got them this morning.

Better than nothing.

for the most part your posts have been helpful, even if i do not agree with some of your responses to others. but 1. sometimes you would want an even line if everyone else has that line. 2. if i am scalping i would go with -6 and make sure i make more money on the bet than having to have it land on exactly 6 to make a big hit(at MB i would have that choice). either way i always had the choice at MB. there are no choices at BM except the 1 line for every team, every game. if MB were still availible to US players noone would give a rats ass about BM. and even now that i can not use MB. BM still doesn't look that good. and is certanly not the best thing that could happen that i can use BM instead of MB for anything. deposits-payouts-fees-lines-liquidity-

Well for one, Matchbook is not available to use anymore so thats not an option. And maybe in time we will get more line options. And on most regular books - do you not have the option to buy a 1/2 point? if you really want to? Being that the majority of the prices (on the sames lines that MB has posted) are equal to or better - Im sure you could move your line a half point one way or another.

So basically their customer service and listening to customers is about as pitiful as Matchbook was. That's just great.

No, not quite.. these guys respond - take the time to talk to you.. tell you whats going on. Why its so slow to get done, Im not sure. But just the responses keep you hoping.


There is supposed to me a $9 *********** - Im will email them again.

[relaaxx]

Well for one, Matchbook is not available to use anymore so thats not an option. And maybe in time we will get more line options. And on most regular books - do you not have the option to buy a 1/2 point? if you really want to? Being that the majority of the prices (on the sames lines that MB has posted) are equal to or better - Im sure you could move your line a half point one way or another.

why would i want to buy points at regular juice shops. the price is too high if you are playing 1 site against BM. we all know we can not use MATCHBOOK. that's why anyone would even consider BM. we are desperate for another exchange. so for now we are willing to put up with the way BM is run. but i don't think it will last long. if they don't listen to customers they are doomed. they should be giving bonuses or at least not be charging fees for deposits. just to get everyone to deposit fast. get them as customers. as fast as possibe. because maybe tommorrow there will be another exchange around for US customers. backed by another solid book. and they lose the chance of a lifetime. if you run an exchange.

[Igetp2s]

"No, not quite.. these guys respond - take the time to talk to you.. tell you whats going on. Why its so slow to get done, Im not sure. But just the responses keep you hoping."

I don't care about the responses. I care about actions. And it's clear to me that Betmaker is not going to be a long term good alternative to Matchbook. They are too incompetent. To simply change the wording on their commissions page takes how many weeks? And this is something that would be beneficial for them to update immediately.

It is pretty obvious to me that they are not going to seize this opportunity, and if they manage to succeed, it will be despite their best efforts to fail.