Well I decided to just see what I could find out. Chatted with Diego at Bookmaker. He also does chat for DSI as I recognize him from there. Anyway I asked him if I deposited at Bookmaker or DSI and wanted to do a transfer out before rolling anything over is that allowed and free of charge. He told me that was fine. Of course you cannot take a bonus on any of the amount deposited. I asked if a bonus could be taken on half and the other half transferred out and the answer is no. So there you go. Looks like you can send money in without any problem. I did not ask about withdrawals but I doubt you would have any problem transferring money to one of the three books that has the best or least expensive way to withdrawal. I get free one's from DSI or Bookmaker or have points I could use for this.
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For US citizens that don't have any BetCris/Bookmaker family accounts what is the best way to deposit and withdraw in amounts in excess of 5k for Betmaker?Comment -
Open an account with them and they will call you in minutes. You can discuss this with the rep at that time, make sure you are specific about the fee's. Long term I would open an account with Bookmaker also so you have more options of getting money in and out with limited costs. I expect that as they get more players they will expand their deposit and withdrawal options and cut down on the associated fee's some.Comment -
Well, attached below is my chat with Diego the same rep that I visited with just 10 minutes earlier when he confidently told me to go ahead and deposit and there would be no hassles or charges if I wanted to immediately transfer the money to betmaker.
You are now chatting with 'CS Diego' CR: Hi Diego, chatted with you a bit ago
CS Diego: Welcome, nice to have you with us today . . . I’m happy to assist you . . .
CR: I would like to complete a book to book transfer to my Betmaker account.
CS Diego: May I please have a moment to check on that for you..
CR: Sure.
CR: I had to do it by **. For some reason I couldn't get the **** ***** option to work for me
CS Diego: My apologies sir, unfortunately in order to transfer you must have minimum 2 previous payouts in the account....
CR: You did not mention that when we visited just a bit ago
CS Diego: After verifying the account it seems you do not have this in the account, therefore we cannot do a transfer...
CS Diego: Sir, there are restrictions...
CR: Do I have any payouts on this account?
CS Diego: Keep in mind we have this established in the rules you agreed to when you signed up...
CR: Can you please refer me to the rules. I guess I was going of what you stated earlier, it's my fault that I didn't look this up myself I guess.
CS Diego: Yes sir, the rules by following this link:
CS Diego: Click Here
CS Diego: Is there anything else I can assist you with?
CR: Where is it located under that tab please
CS Diego: It may be under House rules....
CS Diego: If you do not see it, it may be in our private rules...
CS Diego: Keep in mind you just need 2 previous payouts which there are methods for free...
CR: I don't see it. How am I supposed to know about private rules if when I specifically ask you about it in chat you don't tell me that I can't transfer it out.
What BS. After my last question he disconnected the chat. Some way to treat a long time customer. When he says keep in mind there are free methods for payout I guess he is trying to tell me to go ahead and do a couple of payouts with the money I just sent them so that later I can do a book transfer, ya gott be kiddin meLast edited by shari91; 03-21-11, 06:21 AM.Comment -
And again today - The liquidity on EVERY college game is better than Matchbook, with better odds.
This guy is nothing but a shill for the new matchbook owners. He wants everyone to trust them because they have been so wonderful so far in their new venture. By doing what? Seeding their own markets? Omg I love Matchbooks new owners.
But here (http://hareeba.mysbrforum.com/blog/3...tched-bet.html) he cries about the platform screwing him.
And here he defends MB deciding to go back on closing out futures and paying everyone by 3/31. (http://forum.sbrforum.com/sportsbook...-promised.html)
Sometimes you have to be objective Hareeba. Bottom line you are nothing but a Matchbook bitch right now.
You dont have an account at Bookmaker? Great.
You dont want an account at Bookmaker? Great.
So no one needs your new management Matchbook love regarding another book.
Bottom line - post me a better NCAA line at Matchbook than at Bookmaker? Oh I forgot - you are going to say you dont give a rats ass about NCAA lines. All that matters is the new MB owners love NBA and are seeding those markets. Blah blah. March is the 2nd largest betting month of the year - why? Must be because of games 55-75 in the NBA.
Heyman, this is a done deal. 2% sports, 2.4% horses.Comment -
Well guys I promised you some information today, and Im going to be very objective in giving it to you.. and I honestly wish it could be better news.
Where do we start...
As of right now, there is no time frame for adaptation of Betmaker for IE 9 or Google Chrome. Not what I was hoping for at all. I understand if just Chrome wasnt gonig to work - But IE is the most widely used browser. I will be keeping FireFox on my system for now. Correct me if Im wrong, but I think the IE 9 is just a Beta right now? Maybe the finished version will work? Heres to hoping.
As far as the deposit options disappearing - ****** **- I was told that right now the deposits are very limited due to crack downs at processors. Deposits are limited to the *** ***** ******** *******, ****, and book to book transfers. Once you have a history with Betmaker, I was told they would make the two deposit methods available they removed available to you. Again, not the greatest news as ******* ******* and ** are a great way to get money deposited. But FWIW, I am able to use those right now because I deposited almost 3 weeks ago, and have built enough trust I guess. But as far as the other methods, I know some banks allow ****** ***** and this will get your money there in three days. There is also the option of transferring in Book to Book. But you will have to follow the rollover rules of the book you deposit at.
On the book to book topic... You can transfer from one property (DSI, Bookmaker) to another free of charge with no rollovers or fees on the Bookmaker side.
You can also do account to account transfer free of charge like Tradesports would allow back in the day. Not bad if you have a buddy who has an account there and you have a way to send him some money and a few extra bucks. Was a great way to make a few percent back in the Tradesports days. My account is growing at Betmaker, so I might be up for a few transfers
Withdrawal methods are still weak - and will remain so it seems. **** $55 plus .5%. ******* ***** $50 up to $3000. And $81 min for use of a ***** ******** **** - but that fee could go up depending on the amount.
Cant say Im excited about any of this. I did put in a reply to them with a few additional questions. Guess we have to wait and see. Possibly increased customer base will force them to make faster changes. This is a book that had under $100 posted on either side for most games three weeks ago so I will give them a fair chance to grow.Last edited by shari91; 03-21-11, 06:24 AM.Comment -
Just got a very quick response from Betmaker regarding a few issues that I probed further into:
1) The commissions page will be changed by early next week to ease everyones mind about the 2% and 2.4% being the new rates.
2) There will be a regular mail withdrawal via ***** available for $9. You may need to call to request it for the time being, but if there is a problem in getting it, I can send you in the right direction.
I think it was Legions who was going to try a withdrawal - that might be worth trying.
3) If your deposit to Bookmaker or DSI was done by a method that did not cost the book anything - there should be no fees/rollovers to transfer under their umbrella.
Great news on the $9 withdrawal imo... and looking forward to the commission issue being settled.
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whoopee!
I couldn't care less about college sports
of no interest to me at all
MB liquidity is good enough for me on pro sports to consistently get better than Pinnacle odds
utter crap
yes I want an expect MB to continue as it has been
I don't (and neither do you) know about the seeding thing but wtf does it matter - their money is as good to me as anyone else's
so?
what's your point?
yes, there are issues with the MB platform as is further evidenced by other reporting the same problem[/quote]
what's so difficult to comprehend about legal advice to avoid falling foul of that crap US law?
get over it
Actually I do have an account at Bookmaker. But it has been unfunded for a good while now as they offer nothing which I can't get at the best books.
what part of I couldn't care less about college sports don't you understand ?Bottom line - post me a better NCAA line at Matchbook than at Bookmaker? Oh I forgot - you are going to say you dont give a rats ass about NCAA lines. All that matters is the new MB owners love NBA and are seeding those markets. Blah blah. March is the 2nd largest betting month of the year - why? Must be because of games 55-75 in the NBA.
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what's so difficult to comprehend about legal advice to avoid falling foul of that crap US law? get over it Actually I do have an account at Bookmaker. But it has been unfunded for a good while now as they offer nothing which I can't get at the best books. what part of I couldn't care less about college sports don't you understand ? what part of I couldn't care less who's money I am winning at MB don't you understand?[/quote]
USA Sucks! Betmaker sucks! Screw College sports!
Matchbook rules!!!
I think your repetitive posts get your point across.
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I think your repetitive posts get your point across.[/quote]
good to hear that my "repetitive posts" (which are all responses to your repetitive posts) are hitting the mark
now perhaps you'd care to confirm and try to justify what it seems is the rather extraordinary situation that one needs to have a Bookmaker account, play all of your deposit there at least once and make two withdrawals before they will permit you to play at their exchange ?Comment -
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Lets take a look at a comparison between Matchbook and Betmaker NBA prices. We wont bother to look at NCAA because even a shill like Hareeba has to say how much he hates college hoops to avoid the issue of why matchbook would have no markets on the biggest betting event of the year outside of the superbowl.
(Betmaker lines show the rotation #, MB lines from left to right by best price, Betmaker lines from right to left)
I apologize about the poor format but the copy paste is so bad on both sites. But the #s clearly show that Betmaker is right on par Matchbook right now. You cannot dispute the #s. Add in the fact that Betmaker is clearly better NCAA... and its not a bad choice right now.
MB has 4 HUGE Edges
Betmaker has 5 HUGE Edges
MB has 6 SLIGHT Edges
Betmaker has 4 SLIGHT Edges
5 Appear Even
Here is the break down:
Lakers:
Price: MB Slight edge
Liq: Betmaker Huge Edge
76ers:
Price: MB Huge Edge
Liq: MB Huge Edge
Suns:
Price: Betmaker Slight Edge
Liq Even
Mavs:
Price: Betmaker Slight Edge
Liq: Even
Boston:
Price: MB Slight edge
Liq: MB Huge edge
Bucks:
Price:MB slight Edge
Liq: MB Huge Edge
OKC:
Price: Betmaker Huge Edge
Liq: Even
Knicks:
Price: Betmaker Slight Edge
Liq: Even
Heat:
Price: Betmaker Huge Edge
Liq: Even
Magic:
Price: MB slight Edge
Liq: MB slight edge
Bulls:
Price: Betmaker Slight Edge
Liq: MB slight edge
Toronto:
Price: Betmaker Huge Edge
Liq: Betmaker Huge Edge
NBA MLs:
824 L.A. Lakers
-1800
$7600
Los Angeles (L)
-1750$595
-2200$308
821 Philadelphia 76ers
-253
$451 -220
$487 -194
$209
Philadelphia
-172$1,290
-174$80
-176$35
820 Phoenix Suns
-247
$193 -233
$292 -219
$276
Phoenix
-220$97
-222$122
-234$1,680
818 Dallas Mavericks
-137
$235 -128
$351 -119
$141
Dallas
-122$276
-128$523
-144$8
815 Boston Celtics
-144
$206 -131
$73 -119
$110
Boston
-113$847
-116$6
-117$1,204
814 Milwaukee Bucks
-257
$610 -245
$569 -230
$444Milwaukee
-225$1,739
-256$7
-290$319
812 Oklahoma City Thunder
-610
$1361 -590
$396
Oklahoma City
-650$1,625
-660$2,112
809 New York Knicks
-188
$307 -168
$1315 -151
$539
New York
-158$55
-159$38
-165$1,320
807 Miami Heat
-295
$2995 -253
$3495 -220
$1783
Miami
-232$167
-234$1,755
-238$23
806 Orlando Magic
-253
$883 -239
$562 -225
$574
Orlando
-222$60
-226$1,695
-228$228
803 Chicago Bulls
-217
$2166 -191
$1210 -170
$910
Chicago
-173$1,211
-174$1,305
-175$70
802 Toronto Raptors
-335
$1515 -320
$3892 -300
$2121
Toronto
-320$381
-335$838
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if true, and i'm sure it is, that is the most ridiculous set of hoops you have to jump thru to get your money. but. it does not surprise me since BOOKMAKER charged me $200 to transfer to MATCHBOOK. after waiting over 2 weeks for a *****. i had to call them to find out it was not sent,processer problems, and was told i could start another ***** payout(2 more weeks,without problrms) or b2b. cleaned my account out and would never play there again. was sorry to hear BETMAKER owed by these idiots...Last edited by shari91; 03-21-11, 06:28 AM.Comment -
thanks for all that stuff
this thread is supposed to about reviewing Betmaker, not about bashing MB
I've made no comments about how they compare with MB, just asked questions and not got straight answers so far
can we stick to the topic please ?
okay, at MB I mostly don't pay any commission (in fact overall I earn commission)
how much does it cost in commission at BM?
and then how much to withdraw when I win?
can I use Moneybookers?
I'm already a player at MB.
What do I have to do to qualify to be able to play at BM?
(so far it doesn't appear as simple as just opening and funding an account there ?)
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If this is true I will play there.
P2P, ****, Moneybookers, or Neteller if I read everything correctly. Does betmaker do B2B's with anyone outside of Cris? I will have to look into this when they update their policies later. All of the complications seem to be from people who hoped to use cris/bookmaker/dsi as betmaker's cashier which they are unwilling to do (and not surprising at all). I much prefer Matchbook and their commission structure but Betmaker seems useful and has potential.Last edited by shari91; 03-21-11, 06:29 AM.Comment -
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Thanks for your response about IE9, Todd. Just downloaded Firefox just for Betmaker usage...lol.Comment -
U need bookmaker to transfer and do a quick withdraw, no fees no rollover no nothing instant from what they tell me, havent tryed it yet but bookmaker u can get your doe the same day.
Bookmaker own them so it makes them an A+ exchange just waiting to take off, but i guess u can consider them in Beta still.Comment -
They still need to add alternate lines if they want more action.Comment -
Pretty decent liquidity today, but still could be much better! When I can't get bets covered for which one could arb those lines vs Pinnacle or Matchbook etc., it's quite sad!Comment -
So whats the outlook for baseball this season at betmaker?
I no longer have access to MB since they pulled out of the U.S.
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This thread is about reviewing Betmaker, but when shills for other books are involved there is always bad information.
The craps odds at Betmaker that you speak of - are equal to and better than Matchbooks in at leaset 75% of what Ive seen for the last few days.
And correct me if Im wrong but you brag about Matchbook having better odds than Pinnacle?
So that means Betmaker also has better odds than Pinacle.
And now you move onto the fact that you barely pay commission. You are a stud, Hareeba, Those $40 and $60 offers fronting the main market maker were impressive! Tha you today with $16 in the Nets game?Comment -
Then hopefully you will be there next week.
Its the only thing I am using Firefox for right now. I set it as the home page in that browser, and it saves me some typing. Makes it quick to find with the different browser icon
I was told moneybooker policies follow that of Bookmaker. But I have no idea what those are because I am not Moneybookers eligible.
They will be from what I was told back in my original response from them on page one. They do it for football season currently.
I think you should probably anticipate what you are seeing right now on the NCAA/NBA. Markets that are both equal/better/worse than Matchbook was. With liquidity again being equal/better/worse in some cases.
But the thing I look at right now, It seems a lot of the players from Matchbook havent moved over there yet. Either because they want more info, havent gotten their money, or whatever - and the odds/liquidity are just as good! So if people start funding - it will be even better than what we had.
I asked for UFC lines two nights ago, and looks like they put them. Not sure if anyone else bets them. But I usually play UFC at 5dimes. In the 5 main card fights.. they have better odds in 3 or them and worse in 2 of them. And 2 of the fights have pretty decent liquidity. Not bad.Last edited by shari91; 03-21-11, 06:32 AM.Comment -
Looking real good again today. Right now you can get down on Florida -5.5 at -101 for 2k.Comment -
That's why I am attempting to get the correct information but so far it seems rather vague regarding the Bookmaker thing. I still don't know whether it is true that I can't play at Betmaker without having to do deposits and turnover at Bookmaker.
I think if you read what I was saying that I was referring to crap odds at Bookmaker, not Betmaker. As I've repeatedly said I have no experience of playing at Betmaker so have made no comment about them. I do however have experience of playing at Bookmaker and know they deal crap odds compared to what I can get at several other places and that's why I gave up playing there.
Again, I have no experience of Betmaker so wouldn't know that. I'm in this thread to learn about them.
Again, please stick to the topic. I note you haven't answered my question as to why BM is better than MB in all respects.
I almost always get my offers matched betting >1k on NBA at MB so in the interests of not passing on more misleading information please give up on that $40 and $60 crap.Last edited by Hareeba!; 03-19-11, 01:23 PM.Comment -
Again, please stick to the topic. I note you haven't answered my question as to why BM is better than MB in all respects.
I almost always get my offers matched betting >1k on NBA at MB so in the interests of not passing on more misleading information please give up on that $40 and $60 crap.[/quote]
at the end of the day betmaker is looking to be a good option for those of us in the U.S. that want an exchange option -Comment -
at the end of the day betmaker is looking to be a good option for those of us in the U.S. that want an exchange option -[/quote]
yes. of course I understand that
and if I get enough positive stuff on them I may open an account and play there myself too
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Talk about thread pollution... If you really care to find out info. on betmaker, look at their site, contact them or read the many posts about them. It's not that hard. The only b2b they do is through Bookmaker. And there is a 1x rollover required by Bookmaker. Bookmaker and Betmaker are operationally separate (no idea of the ownership structure), and so, no, you don't need a Bookmaker acct. to play there. Lots of ways to deposit/withdraw listed right on the site.
If you have information, post it. If you have specific questions, ask them. If neither is true, keep quiet. Simple forum decorum.
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I have read every post in this thread and it really is that hard to sort out the facts from the crap.
I have also looked at their site and found little information relating to some of the things which have been posted about how it works.
I never asked about b2b.
So if I don't need a Bookmaker account to open one and play at Betmaker what's all this about a rollover ?
What about withdrawal fees?
I obviously have specific questions and if you were to read my previous posts you would have seen them. But instead you chose to come in with your arrogant attitude and comments.Comment -
Liquidity on NCAAs was quite excellent today - much better than I've ever seen for any college sport at Matchbook. I'm beginning to regret that I didn't have an account here earlier!Comment
