Matchbook liquidity sux, ain't so? I offer best price on Edmonton, but nobody bites

[lukahh]

I use Matchbook since not long, but the liquidity... it's not so good.

I offered best price yesterday, and i'm offering best price today with no matching. Edmonton ML 2.76 (i concede you pay additional commission, reducing EV to 2.74+), you can't get that anywhere. Pinny is second best with 2.73.

So, liquidity is not so good. Have i done this on betfair, my offer would be long gone.

[bubba]

I use Matchbook since not long, but the liquidity... it's not so good.

I offered best price yesterday, and i'm offering best price today with no matching. Edmonton ML 2.76 (i concede you pay additional commission, reducing EV to 2.74+), you can't get that anywhere. Pinny is second best with 2.73.

So, liquidity is not so good. Have i done this on BetFair, my offer would be long gone.

well someone is offering -177 so if u acccept that it would be better then prices at other books for you. granted its only to win 100 but its something.............

[KGambler]

I use Matchbook since not long, but the liquidity... it's not so good.

I offered best price yesterday, and i'm offering best price today with no matching. Edmonton ML 2.76 (i concede you pay additional commission, reducing EV to 2.74+), you can't get that anywhere. Pinny is second best with 2.73.

So, liquidity is not so good. Have i done this on betfair, my offer would be long gone.

No wonder there are so many clowns here who can't get matched at MB. Make a better offer if you want to get matched. Stop trying to rip people off.

Or go bet STL at -188 if you prefer.

[HedgeHog]

OP is not trying to rip anyone off. In most markets, liquidity does suck at MB.

[lukahh]

OP is not trying to rip anyone off. In most markets, liquidity does suck at MB.

Thanks, Hedgehog. Yes, it's not a rip-off, it's best price available on the market. Although i think STL will win, there must be people betting on EDM. They are just doing it elsewhere, not @ Matchbook.

[KGambler]

OP is not trying to rip anyone off. In most markets, liquidity does suck at MB.

1. If he wants to be a market maker, than he might or might not get matched. He shouldn't talk bullshit about poor liquidity here though.

2. If he wants to get matched he should make a fair offer, which he has not done.

3. Liquidity does not suck for "most markets". That's a lie that people who don't know how to use Matchbook have been spreading. Anyone with a clue is able to bet many thousands of dollars at prices better than Pinny, on a daily basis.

[Hareeba!]

Anyone with a clue is able to bet many thousands of dollars at prices better than Pinny, on a daily basis.

very true

[HedgeHog]

1. If he wants to be a market maker, than he might or might not get matched. He shouldn't talk bullshit about poor liquidity here though.

2. If he wants to get matched he should make a fair offer, which he has not done.

3. Liquidity does not suck for "most markets". That's a lie that people who don't know how to use Matchbook have been spreading. Anyone with a clue is able to bet many thousands of dollars at prices better than Pinny, on a daily basis.

What's bullshit is the people defending MB liquidity, like Fishhead and yourself. Liquidity has dropped significantly in the four years I've played there. 2010 was their worst year ever for getting bets matched--unless you're putting up offers near game time. And leaving early legit offers (close to market) hanging up is a suckers game for those that choose to so--that's where the real ripoffs occur by the vultures waiting to swoop on line changes. Back to point, the numbers don't lie--liquidity is significantly lower at MB as compared to recent years.

[KGambler]

What's bullshit is the people defending MB liquidity, like Fishhead and yourself. Liquidity has dropped significantly in the four years I've played there. 2010 was their worst year ever for getting bets matched--unless you're putting up offers near game time. And leaving early legit offers (close to market) hanging up is a suckers game for those that choose to so--that's where the real ripoffs occur by the vultures waiting to swoop on line changes. Back to point, the numbers don't lie--liquidity is significantly lower at MB as compared to recent years.

So now you've moved the goal posts?

You lied and said that liquidity sucks for most markets. That's not true. Now you want to talk about liquidity four years ago.

There is good liquidity on MB for the vast majority of the major American sports. Anyone who says differently doesn't use MB, doesn't know how to use MB (see OP) or is just plain lying.

[HedgeHog]

So now you've moved the goal posts?

You lied and said that liquidity sucks for most markets. That's not true. Now you want to talk about liquidity four years ago.

There is good liquidity on MB for the vast majority of the major American sports. Anyone who says differently doesn't use MB, doesn't know how to use MB (see OP) or is just plain lying.

"Sucks" is a relative term as is your use of "good". I'm not moving the goal posts, just comparing apples to apples. MB liquidity sucks compared to what it once was. Tough to argue otherwise--but perhaps we're looking at this differently. Obviously some profitable opportunites still exist for you.

[Hareeba!]

Obviously some profitable opportunites still exist for you.

as they do for anyone who looks and tries

[HedgeHog]

5 Minutes to go before tipoff on these NBA games. Wow, look at the liquidity.


Los Angeles (C) at Atlanta [more]Feb 04 7:35 pm
Los Angeles (C) +7.5
+100$214

-108$194


-110$770



23 Atlanta -7.5
-107$779

-108$140






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Over 195.0
+100$74

-101$5


-104$728



23 Under 195.0
-107$1,129

-108$108






<>


Los Angeles (C)
+330$1

+325$527


+320$563



23 Atlanta
-335$3,781

-340$139


-345$186


<>




New Jersey at Detroit [more]Feb 04 7:35 pm
New Jersey +5.5
-109$450

-110$1,588


-111$777



23 Detroit -5.5
+103$383

+101$700


-101$20


<>


Over 187.0
+100$103

-101$707







23 Under 187.0
-109$27









<>


New Jersey
+206$21

+202$15


+198$50



23 Detroit
-210$210

-214$128


-216$93


<>

[durito]

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[Chopsticks]

Been there so many times myself. Matchbook is dominated by sharps so "nobody" really takes an offer, especially on the ml on nfl, nba, hockey in general, unless it is a very good line. Of course you get lucky sometimes but so many times I have offered best odds and nobody even bothers to take more than $5.

Ok liquidity on spreads though.

[KGambler]

I can't read your cut and pastes, but I wanted to bet one NBA game today and it took me less than a minute to bet 6K. I got it at -102, was -105 on Pinny, -107 on Pinny now.

Keep betting at -110 if that's what makes you happy.

[HedgeHog]

I can't read your cut and pastes, but I wanted to bet one NBA game today and it took me less than a minute to bet 6K. I got it at -102, was -105 on Pinny, -107 on Pinny now.

Keep betting at -110 if that's what makes you happy.

Not so hard to read, unless you choose to avoid the ugly truth. Let me help--there is chump change offered with 7 or 8 cent differences in NBA prices near game time. BTW, who says -110 is the only other option? I can bet reduced juice early in the day w/o waiting hours for a matched bet or a disadvantageous line change. Don't get me wrong, I still use MB, just a lot less these days.

[KGambler]

I can bet reduced juice early in the day w/o waiting hours for a matched bet or a disadvantageous line change.

Where? From an American IP? What is the max bet?

Can you bet $6K on the Spurs at -4 -102 when it is -105 on Pinny?

People are flushing thousands and thousands of dollars down the toilet by not being on Matchbook.

[Ibrakadabra]

By giving such a minimal advantage compared to what is available at Pinny the fact that it´s not matched says nothing about liquidity.

Of course the fact that it´s the best price on the market is no guarantee that somebody wants it. If nobody likes Edmonton you need to make an offer they can´t refuse, that you certainly haven´t done...

[KGambler]

Translate this cut and paste for me... 2nd half of the Pacers game:

Portland at Indiana [more]Feb 04 10:05 pm
Portland 0.0 2H
+110$11,911

+109$9,277


+100$800



23 Indiana -0.0 2H
-114$22,775

-123$861

[KGambler]

You can bet 23K on Pacers at a better price than at Pinny, right? Where else can you do that? Liquidity sux, right? All because some guy made a terrible offer and it didn't get filled.

[HedgeHog]

Where? From an American IP? What is the max bet?

Can you bet $6K on the Spurs at -4 -102 when it is -105 on Pinny?

People are flushing thousands and thousands of dollars down the toilet by not being on Matchbook.

What if I like their opponent Sac +5.5 on the early line--how do I get that at MB. I can get $500 at say 5D with reduced juice or much more $$$ with BM at full juice. Beats losing 1.5 points to save a few cents in juice.

[HedgeHog]

Translate this cut and paste for me... 2nd half of the Pacers game:

Portland at Indiana [more]Feb 04 10:05 pm
Portland 0.0 2H
+110$11,911

+109$9,277


+100$800



23 Indiana -0.0 2H
-114$22,775

-123$861

So you can read these cut and pastes afterall. Looks like you were the liar.

[bettilimbroke999]

Been there so many times myself. Matchbook is dominated by sharps so "nobody" really takes an offer, especially on the ml on nfl, nba, hockey in general, unless it is a very good line. Of course you get lucky sometimes but so many times I have offered best odds and nobody even bothers to take more than $5.

Ok liquidity on spreads though.

Matchbook is so hard to get funds into and the commission structure is so retarded that no normal gamblers play there and none of the pros that do jump through the hoops ever take an offer or offer odds that they have to worry about a pinny move on, you got pros that put up some 10 cent (or worse) spreads on basketball and after you get done paying commission fees, withdrawal fees, no bonuses etc you would've been better off just playing at a normal book, hell theres several books that put up dime lines if you wont take bonuses and theyll pay the deposit fees and withdrawal fees and charge no commission

For some unknown reason the only time matchbook has liquidity is for halftime lines, I have no ******* idea why this is but the rest of the time the site is dead

RIP Matchy you were great once

[KGambler]

What if I like their opponent Sac +5.5 on the early line--how do I get that at MB. I can get $500 at say 5D with reduced juice or much more $$$ with BM at full juice. Beats losing 1.5 points to save a few cents in juice.

First off, like I said earlier, keep betting -110 if that is what makes you happy

Secondly, if you are crushing the closing line by 1.5 points on most of your early bets than you should probably have a MB account just for hedging purposes. You can have your butler place the hedges as you fly down to the Bahamas on your private jet.

[KGambler]

Matchbook is so hard to get funds into

This is so wrong that I just stopped reading there.

[KGambler]

So you can read these cut and pastes afterall. Looks like you were the liar.

I was the one who did the paste. I read it on my screen first, and it was only one game. Your pastes are like a big jumble of several games. I'm sure I could figure it out, but I am busy placing wagers as well.

[HedgeHog]

First off, like I said earlier, keep betting -110 if that is what makes you happy

Secondly, if you are crushing the closing line by 1.5 points on most of your early bets than you should probably have a MB account just for hedging purposes. You can have your butler place the hedges as you fly down to the Bahamas on your private jet.

Arbing isn't the only way to win. Some of us still handicap the games and want to bet early. MB is good for the former but useless for the latter.

[Chopsticks]

You can bet 23K on Pacers at a better price than at Pinny, right? Where else can you do that? Liquidity sux, right? All because some guy made a terrible offer and it didn't get filled.

I think almost everyone agrees that liquidity is good on spreads and totals. However if you wanted to get a good bet on say Sacramento moneyline tonight you would have a problem... or really any moneyline that is up right now except for the super bowl.

[KGambler]

Los Angeles (C) 6.5 2H
+100$20,000


-102$816



-110$3




23 Atlanta -6.5 2H
-101$2,750

-102$20,350



-110




Site is dead. No liquidity.

[KGambler]

I think almost everyone agrees that liquidity is good on spreads and totals. However if you wanted to get a good bet on say Sacramento moneyline tonight you would have a problem... or really any moneyline that is up right now except for the super bowl.

If you want to bet on an NCAAB moneyline, you basically have very little chance of getting filled.

I find I can get many of my NBA moneyline offers filled. So far tonight I have been filled on over 1,000 on Phoenix at +125.

I am giving real world examples, from tonight, of how you can save thousands of dollars by using MB. Meanwhile, people are grubbing around for $100 bonuses at -110 shit shops.

[HedgeHog]

Los Angeles (C) 6.5 2H
+100$20,000


-102$816



-110$3




23 Atlanta -6.5 2H
-101$2,750

-102$20,350



-110




Site is dead. No liquidity.

Fishhead makes the same argument about 2nd half lines and perhaps rightly so. My argument was for most markets--as in full game lines, total and ML--which remain poor in liquidity. Too tough for you to grasp?

[KGambler]

Fishhead makes the same argument about 2nd half lines and perhaps rightly so. My argument was for most markets--as in full game lines, total and ML--which remain poor in liquidity. Too tough for you to grasp?

One of us is actively in the market, offering and accepting wagers. He is having no problems. The other guy has complaints though

I don't get down on 100% of the bets I want to. I get down on over half though. And even if it was 10%, it would still be worth it to have a MB account.

I really don't get why people love to spread misinformation about MB. If you are betting thousands on NBA sides and totals, and you are an American, MB is the most important out to have.

[KGambler]

I wanted to bet 2,000 on the Phoenix ML at +125. I wound up getting filled for 1,800.39. Boo ******* hoo.

I wanted a 6K bet and a 2K bet today. I got them both filled (well, almost for the second one), both for better than the Pinnacle line. I guess instead of relying on these real world examples we can instead rely on the cut and pastes of a guy who is not even trying to place a bet.

Liquidity is good at MB*

*not for NCAAB

[Legions36]

Matchbook is so hard to get funds into and the commission structure is so retarded that no normal gamblers play there and none of the pros that do jump through the hoops ever take an offer or offer odds that they have to worry about a pinny move on, you got pros that put up some 10 cent (or worse) spreads on basketball and after you get done paying commission fees, withdrawal fees, no bonuses etc you would've been better off just playing at a normal book, hell theres several books that put up dime lines if you wont take bonuses and theyll pay the deposit fees and withdrawal fees and charge no commission

For some unknown reason the only time matchbook has liquidity is for halftime lines, I have no ******* idea why this is but the rest of the time the site is dead

RIP Matchy you were great once

U obviously don't know what your talking about.

[Hareeba!]

U obviously don't know what your talking about.

yeah, that became abundantly evident yesterday