Give this guy a 10k freeplay to say he was making it all up
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This book is a JOKE!
They offering wrong lines every day, every week...
This is unprofessional. Simple B rating book...Comment -
It is resolved. I was denied. No apology...no nothing. I made no demands, either.....nor did I offer a compromise of any kind (nor did they, unless you call Tony's changing of the bet in chat a compromise). I thought about it for over a month and then decided to tell the story.
Most people believe I got bad treatment, at a minimum. Some think I should get paid in full, while others think I am lucky that I was paid the reduced odds.
The greater point is how it all went down.....not if the line is bad. It wasn't bad in my mind and anyone who reads the whole thread will have a good understanding of everything.
Yes, they say they have the right to modify/void wagers if they feel they put up a line by mistake. That is fair. It is their business. Players also have a right to tell about their experiences, and not one person has disputed any facts about what I said....nothing.....nothing on the time line.......no dispute.
I am not trying to bump this thread, as others will do it anyways. There was new info today about someone betting my same play but at lesser odds that Wednesday, so I jumped in for a bit, since that proved that they knew about my play before the tourney even started, and NOT Sunday like Tony claimed in chat.
I am trying not to post.Last edited by BewareOf5Dimes; 09-15-10, 12:36 AM.Comment -
i swear you have no clue how bad you continue making yourself look, especially to employees of other books that read the forums....you looked at watneys odds to win, to finish top 5, 10 and 20 and you saw that his odds to finish top 20 were twice as good as top5 and you took a fukking shot..more than once, it is obvious and you need to stop denying it...dude...you are killing any arguement you had...and dont even get me started again about the shot you took at Casey and added the twitter bullshit... and like tony said, no telling how many times shots have snuck under the radar...jaysus, for your sake, dont make another post in this thread..it gets worse and worse. someone at 5dimes might have had a clue about the odds change, but tony told you that "he" was just told on saturday and you have no proof otherwise...
expect to get paid fine, but expect to get booted from the book when your football props are over... its guys like you that do stupid shit and cry about it and give the rest of the offshore gamblers a bad name.Comment -
I am still with my Idea , of how do you know is Bad line if 5dimes is the only place offering the line, do you need to guess?
And don't tell me the excuses of top is that and top 10 is that.
5dimes can use this rule to override any bet then.Comment -
jj, back to the top of the heap with this video, king of the player advocatesComment -
Thanks for posting that Andy......I like to play horses and will stick to betting at an OTB. At least I know I'll get paid completely and on the spot.
Was willing to try 5 Dimes with horses for convenience sake, but not now......Don't like books that cuts limits on bettors. It's pure chickenshit.Comment -
Pretty simple, you took a shot at them and they took a shot at you back. Tony is a dick with zero public relations skills but he's pretty much in the right here.Comment -
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I absolutely agree with this. Bad lines offer books the opportunity of taking shots at players. Not only does it enable them to modify odds after the fact, but they have a HUGE overlay if they had action on the other side for some reason. Is there a single documented case of adjusting exposure for losing wagers? Of course not. There is no excuse that a book should be able to adjust odds or cancel wagers after the event has begun. In Vegas, if the bet is booked, it's a legally binding contract where books have the discretion of 86'ing shot takers after they pay for their own incompetence. What prevents offshore books from posting bad lines intentionally just to take shots with acceptance of the status quo? Absolutely nothing.Comment -
Tony was watching even the whole time , you know 5 Dimes never would of refunded wager if the bet lost.Comment -
If it can be shown that Tony knew of the inflated line beforehand and did nothing until Sunday, then he accepted the bet and it should stand at full odds. Shots were taken by both here, but Tony's would be far worse IMO.Comment -
Well, short of Tony himself coming in here and giving an answer, the only thing we know for sure is that the line was corrected before the tournament even started because another poster has come in here a couple of pages back and said that he bet it at $2.15 on the Wednesday I think it was.Comment -
never seen a customer service agent talk this way, i'm glad their tons of variety has never lured me in.Comment -
This thread has turned into a complete misuse of a forum. It is misleading, rather than informative. And the OP has clearly stated that his intent is revenge. He is not interested in the slightest in the correct interpretation of the rules, as executed by 5D and approved by SBR. So why is this nonsense allowed to go on and on? Why should this be a place for revenge and revenge only? There is not a single sharp player who has agreed with the OP in this thread.
For the record, the OP early in the thread resorted to personal threats, directed at yours truly, and I reported these, because they're not allowed on this forum. There they are again... those pesky rules. Unfortunately, the moderator in question removed that post, and my reply, accompanied by a smart remark to me, and never recognized the transgression. So if 5D has a problem with how long this thread has been allowed to go on, go ask that moderator why he didn't step in when he could. A moderator worth his salt could have banned the OP long ago. He had already told his story, so that would not have been lost.
The criticism that was voiced has been addressed. There is nothing more to add. This thread, not only through the above illustration, is an example of horrendous moderation by SBR. This is what you get when you don't moderate. A total mess. The behavior in this thread towards 5Dimes has been disgraceful. It has not reflected on 5D, which is a fine book that applied the rules correctly, but is an example of the hungry mob mentality. A pack of hyenas crying in the night.Comment -
For the record, since DH is apparently a bit shy about telling the entire story, the 'moderator' he's discussing is yours truly. The "smart remark" that I allegedly directed at him was indeed directed at both him and the other poster in question, not just him though I can understand how someone so arrogant could think everything revolves around him. My comment to the two posters was this: "Please take the e-battle between you two down to the private zone. Thanks."
What DH fails to recognize or understand is that other mods saw the same reported post. In fact, it was another mod that slinked this thread into multiple forums. If, in fact, the powers that be saw this thread as detrimental as DH sees it, the thread would never have been allowed to be copied into another forum.
Just wanted to set the record straight.Comment -
Lucy....here's a photo...fvkcin' black widow
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Keep these pricks in line Willie Bee...don't take no shit.
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similar thing happened to me on 5 dimes a few years ago......i was betting golf, small ($10)on long shots to win tournaments.....and my rep called me and said that they have moved my minimum to $25 per play. I was still making big plays ($100-500) on match-ups and football of course, but thy felt "too exposed" on these small longshot bets i was making just for fun. rubbed me the wrong way and i told him i was done.......5 dimes are a bunch of NITS!!!!!!!!Comment -
Criticism? Deflect away, DH. All I did was tell the rest of the story. I fail to understand how asking you and the other poster to take your silly, childish e-fight to the Private Zone was somehow a smart remark directed solely at you.
But then, as I told you before, if this is now funny to you and, as you said, I've "brought a smile" into your world, then it's not a total loss. Consider it repayment for a year or two ago when you brought laughs to the office for volunteering to make The Prick's picks for a slice of the action. Best of luck to you.Comment -
Too many bad stories
book should be downgraded IMO
this story would not be here had the OP lost the bet
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I am no fan of Tony as he cut my betting limits on 3 different occassions and then decided to ban me from his racebook (which I found strange as he did so after my losing 47 wagers in a row).
With that being said, I agree with DarkHorse and its crystal clear that the OP took a shot at 5 Dimes and was counting the money when Tony locked him out of his account.
After Tony cut my betting limits for the 3rd time and then banned me from making horse bets, I finally requested a chat with him and he was very professional.
He told me that he runs a business and that my "betting prowess" makes him believe that my future action will NOT be profitable enough to him at the regular limits.
While I understood the reason for him cutting my limits, I feel that no sportsbook deserves an A rating that cuts player limits.
Pinnacle, Greek and Bookmaker welcome all comers and they are the only books that I feel deserve an A rating.Comment -
Never seen the guy so defensive. lol
For the record, the Prick and I only had a brief exchange about that possibility. I did not offer to make his picks for him, as Willie erroneously reports. I offered to give him one pick, and only if I had a 'best pick' that week, because it is much harder to win 4 than 3 games in that contest. It was a brief exchange of thoughts and nothing came of it. It was an angle that seemed interesting at the time, and not against the rules of the contest. I don't know why the Willie guy brings this up here, but I suppose it speaks for his serpentine character. He seems to think this is an example of my arrogance. Maybe so. I don't recall if this was the year where I placed second in annual winnings in BTP, but it seemed to make more sense to me to help the Prick go 4-0 than to play against him. I had forgotten about this, until Willie refreshed my memory. I still like the idea. Why try to win 100 bucks, when you can help someone win 5K, or now 10K?
Let this also demonstrate that whatever is discussed in pm is not private, and may be brought up by moderator(s?) in public...Last edited by Dark Horse; 09-15-10, 10:38 AM.Comment -
I have to disagree with you here. While I stated earlier that it somewhat bothers me that the OP didn't make clear in his first post that SBR had already stepped in and resolved the issue - favourably as far as the line was concerned - on his behalf, this thread has brought up many things about the offshore industry of which someone like myself wasn't previously aware. There are long-term posters whose opinion I personally respect on opposite sides of this issue which leads me to conclude that if things aren't always so clear-cut when dealing with a top-rated SBR book, then I can only imagine what goes on with the lower rated ones.
And it is very easy to determine the difference between the people who have read every post in this thread and those who read the first one and then post a comment. Anyone who truly is interested in this topic will have taken the time to read the whole thing and not merely post something either for or against Tony and the book itself which doesn't address the facts as they take place.
I'm not sure how SBR could've handled it better in my opinion. They got involved with the OP's issue and helped him to resolve it. If they had closed this thread when you deemed it past its used by date then there would've been facts about the OP's original complaint and the offshore industry itself that would've been completely passed by. On top of that, they would've been bashed for perceived censorship because 5Dimes is a major sponsor of this forum.
For what it's worth, if this thread hadn't have continued my opinion on Tony and the book itself would have been 100% negative. Upon learning that the OP was assisted by SBR based on an agreement with the book and that the OP was paid out at a higher line than someone else who placed the same bet, my feelings have softened somewhat. That being said however, I'm still not comfortable with the fact that I could easily see myself innocently in the same position as the OP because I wanted to leave my balance with a round number for the week (a weird quirk of mine) and decided to throw some money down on the prop. It's not pleasant that the OP wasn't contacted until the Sunday, especially when we now definitively know the line was corrected at least 4 days before then. And beyond all of that, I still stick with my original assertion that Tony needs to find a way to separate his personal feelings from that of being a book owner. I guess I've been spoiled - I went from dealing with locals in North America to Euro books when living in Europe and Aussie books obviously now that I currently live here. Not only could I not even fathom this situation playing out for me like it has for the OP, whether he's a shot taker or not, but I definitely could not even imagine my reaction if A. a book owner jumped on Chat and B. spoke to me as I've seen Tony do in countless examples on this forum.Comment -
Good points Shari. An intelligent well thought out reply that shows there's value in this thread regardless of the 100% negative intent by the OP.Comment -
Personally I would accept the corrected payout and move on. 5-Dimes is a valuable out and not worth losing over this matter.
Cliffnotes to this this overly long thread:
Shots fired by both sides. Tony's a prick (hardly news). Matter resolved fairly.Comment
