Be careful playing with 5Dimes

**BewareOf5Dimes** · 09-14-10, 08:53 PM

The facts of the case are how I presented them. The new fact is that TONY lied in chat about just finding out about my play on Sunday morning, when the guy's ticket clearly shows that he bet at 2.15-1 on Wednesday. If you know anything about anything that means that I was lied to in chat by the owner of the book.

They knew about my play before the tourney started....period. So, they took a shot because they had no intention of honoring the odds that I bet at, while they knew full well that I was rooting in the play with the expectation of getting full odds.

Tony was lying all along. I knew it, but I could not prove it. Now, the proof has been delivered. Even if the line is bad....I did not know that when I bet, and my actions are consistent all the way through.

Assume it is a bad line. Then, the facts prove that 5Dimes knew about it before the event went off. And therefore, the facts also prove that they took a shot because I never had a shot. And when I bet the line looked favorable to me. Why would I bet if I thought I would never get paid? 8-9K is real money, and I risked a total of $500 on that play. $500 is real money too. Watney is no lock to make the cut. He had missed in his two previous PGA's in 2008 and 2009.

You defenders are something else. Sticking up for a guy who takes shots at players instead of informing them before the tourney started that there was a mistake on the line. I already told you that when the line went to 10-1 after two adjustments, I did not bet any more. Why not just keep playing at 10-1 if I thought at the time it should be 2-1? I bet at 20-1 and 15-1. Looked good to me. Just like Oosthazen at 450-1.

I was done posting until these new facts came to light. What is the penalty for an owner of a book to get caught in a lie? I will try not to post anymore. The facts are the facts. Lies are lies are lies.

**sharpcat** · 09-14-10, 08:56 PM

Originally posted by BewareOf5Dimes

The PROOF is in the bet that was just posted by another poster. He documented the bet made on Wednedsay at 2.15 on Watney to finish top 20. I bet on Tuesday, a day before, at higher odds.

That means that 5Dimes, if indeed they had posted a bad line on Tuesday, by definition had to know abuot it on Wednesday at the latest, since the poster bet at 2.15-1.

If you are telling me that those facts help 5Dimes then you need to smoke a new brand of underwear....maybe Haynes?

You took a shot at Tony I do not blame him for taking a shot back at you but honestly the book probably did not realize the error until they started looking to see what bets were likely to be paid out on sunday.

**BackDoorCover** · 09-14-10, 08:57 PM

Proof is only that someone at 5dimes SHOULD have known, not that they did know. Frankly, I think its much more likely that somebody at 5dimes dropped the ball in locating and canceling the bad-line wagers rather than any intentional shot-taking.

HOWEVER, what SHOULD have happened is this:

5dimes would have canceled your bet, refunded your $, and offered you the correct odds at +215. Of course you would have declined this offer. HOWEVER, now you got to keep a winning wager you wouldn't have otherwise had if this was handled correctly by 5dimes. You got a GREAT outcome out of this, why are you still complaining?

**Shonner** · 09-14-10, 08:59 PM

As long as owners throw about $ for sponsorship they will remain A rated.

This is a joke and 5dimes has been pulling this shit for years.

C book at best.

**sharpcat** · 09-14-10, 09:00 PM

BDC just proved that the true odds were +215 and you got +300 you have nothing more to complain about you got better than what was offered to you when your bet was placed so nobody took a shot at you you got hooked up.

**sharpcat** · 09-14-10, 09:05 PM

Originally posted by Shonner

As long as owners throw about $ for sponsorship they will remain A rated.

This is a joke and 5dimes has been pulling this shit for years.

C book at best.

The book gave him better odds than what the line was supposed to be when he bet it are you people really this stupid

If a zero accidentally fell off of a price tag on a $2,000 t.v. at best buy so they sell you the t.v. for $1,500 are you people really that fukkin stupid that you are going to raise a big stink because they refused to sell you the t.v. for $200?

**BewareOf5Dimes** · 09-14-10, 09:05 PM

Originally posted by BackDoorCover

Proof is only that someone at 5dimes SHOULD have known, not that they did know. Frankly, I think its much more likely that somebody at 5dimes dropped the ball in locating and canceling the bad-line wagers rather than any intentional shot-taking.

HOWEVER, what SHOULD have happened is this:

5dimes would have canceled your bet, refunded your $, and offered you the correct odds at +215. Of course you would have declined this offer. HOWEVER, now you got to keep a winning wager you wouldn't have otherwise had if this was handled correctly by 5dimes. You got a GREAT outcome out of this, why are you still complaining?

Oh, God, please. You are telling me that when they adjusted the line to 2.15 on Tuesday or Wednesday that that doesn't prove they knew about any other bets on the line? Oh my God.

At first all of the defenders were claiming the software adjusted the lines, and now you won't even admit that a human was on the scene and knew about it?

What else can I say? Either you have a clue or you don't. Short of having an audio recording of Tony talking about the play before the tourney started, I believe that this evidence is all that is needed.

If this doesn't prove they took a shot then nothing does. I think I will quit posting about this, since this is a slam dunk.

**Dirty Sanchez** · 09-14-10, 09:06 PM

And he drones on and on

withdraw your money and go somewhere else already. You made up your name to prove some sort of point...o.k. your 15 minutes of shots are done already. They're a top rated book and you have an ax to grind......they've been in business many years and you feel you got screwed...point taken...case closed.

**shari91** · 09-14-10, 09:08 PM

Originally posted by sharpcat

BDC just proved that the true odds were +215 and you got +300 you have nothing more to complain about you got better than what was offered to you when your bet was placed so nobody took a shot at you you got hooked up.

I'm wondering how in the hell they figured to give the OP +300 at all if the line was +215 before the tournament started?? If they thought he took a shot, why reward him? What a clusterfukk.

Regardless, it sucks that someone there knew about the bad line before the tournament even started and the OP was sitting there thinking he had a decent chance to cash a large bet on the final day of the tournament. But at the end of the day, as Dozer said there are standards and agreements in place so all anyone can do is come to their own conclusion about whether or not they want to give Tony any of their money.

**BetterBizness** · 09-14-10, 09:10 PM

Originally posted by sharpcat

There is NO PROOF that Tony took a shot at you either, just the accusation that he knew prior to sunday morning.

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So then, even just in assuming that's true for benefit of doubt, At BEST 5D is just a bad bookmaking service when it comes to prop bets and customer service...

**BewareOf5Dimes** · 09-14-10, 09:11 PM

I am done. Good luck to everyone during this football season. If no new info comes out I won't post again. It is pretty easy to follow. People can read and make their own conclusions.

One of the main points that I made all along is that even if it was a bad line, that I did not believe it was a bad line....just a line that gave me good value. The other point I made is that I was treated like SHIT right out of the gate. And now, it is apparent that the owner of the book LIED to me during chat, when he said he JUST found out about it that Sunday morning. The FACTS show otherwise.

I never DEMANDED the money, either...I just told the story. I think in a post today I may have said Give me my money when reading about the guy who showed that the odds were 2.15-1 on Wednesday. I won't even edit that. I make no demands. The owner of the book can do what he wants. Bettors can make their own judgments and send money or not.

So that is it from me. Good-Bye and good luck this year.

**BetterBizness** · 09-14-10, 09:12 PM

Originally posted by shari91

as Dozer said there are standards and agreements in place so all anyone can do is come to their own conclusion about whether or not they want to give Tony any of their money.

**sharpcat** · 09-14-10, 09:15 PM

Originally posted by BewareOf5Dimes

Oh, God, please. You are telling me that when they adjusted the line to 2.15 on Tuesday or Wednesday that that doesn't prove they knew about any other bets on the line? Oh my God.

At first all of the defenders were claiming the software adjusted the lines, and now you won't even admit that a human was on the scene and knew about it?

What else can I say? Either you have a clue or you don't. Short of having an audio recording of Tony talking about the play before the tourney started, I believe that this evidence is all that is needed.

If this doesn't prove they took a shot then nothing does. I think I will quit posting about this, since this is a slam dunk.

Ok so first you are playing the stupid gambler who was not taking shots card, and now you are saying that you know how the lines are adjusted in the book making process

whats it gonna be stupid gambler or professional bookmaker?

I do not know Shari it appears that Tony compensated him for the error even after the OP took a shot at him that is a pretty honorable thing to do.

Let it go man you make yourself look worse and worse with every post you make.

**BewareOf5Dimes** · 09-14-10, 09:18 PM

Your post makes no sense. You don't even know why it doesn't make sense. Did you even read the thread? Good-Bye.

**sharpcat** · 09-14-10, 09:21 PM

Originally posted by BewareOf5Dimes

I am done. Good luck to everyone during this football season. If no new info comes out I won't post again. It is pretty easy to follow. People can read and make their own conclusions.

One of the main points that I made all along is that even if it was a bad line, that I did not believe it was a bad line....just a line that gave me good value. The other point I made is that I was treated like SHIT right out of the gate. And now, it is apparent that the owner of the book LIED to me during chat, when he said he JUST found out about it that Sunday morning. The FACTS show otherwise.

I never DEMANDED the money, either...I just told the story. I think in a post today I may have said Give me my money when reading about the guy who showed that the odds were 2.15-1 on Wednesday. I won't even edit that. I make no demands. The owner of the book can do what he wants. Bettors can make their own judgments and send money or not.

So that is it from me. Good-Bye and good luck this year.

BINGO

Classic

I have never heard an inexperienced gambler use the word "value" which further proves that you knew what you were doing and if you understood that your bet had a lot of value you also should have educated yourself and known the consequences of betting bad lines.

**Flight** · 09-14-10, 09:27 PM

Go play props at another book

You will get treated a lot worse than this

**Dirty Sanchez** · 09-14-10, 09:29 PM

Originally posted by sharpcat

BINGO

Classic

I have never heard an inexperienced gambler use the word "value" which further proves that you knew what you were doing and if you understood that your bet had a lot of value you also should have educated yourself and known the consequences of betting bad lines.

This whole thread and story stinks....the fake name started it...and the continuing hatchet job even more makes me question this whole act. SBR should just take this to the PZ or get rid of it already

**raydog** · 09-14-10, 09:30 PM

after saying numerous times that you studied Watney, you basically told us that you looked at all the odds for him in the tourney...you knew the 20/1 was a really bad line and you knew this because you were betting him at other finishes......just fukking admit that you took a shot, tried to steal from the book and move on... you make yourself look really silly here... like i said, it doesnt matter when the odds were changed...hell, for all you know, they could have changed your odds on weds. just like the other guys and you didnt even know about it till tony told you in chat... i hope you realize that theres a good chance that tony will notify other books of your shot taking actions and you are just hurting yourself with all this complaining...

**Dank_Fire** · 09-14-10, 09:32 PM

Its unreal that this thread is continuously being bumped....A book made a mistake and the guy got paid

**BewareOf5Dimes** · 09-14-10, 09:34 PM

You jokers are coming out of the wordwork now, aren't you? You act like just because I said the word value that now I am wrong? That is dumb. I never hid from the fact that the play was one of my stronger plays at 5Dimes. I laid out all of the types of bets and amounts.

The whole point of betting is to find some good plays once in a while. You jackasses are too much. The story shows that I made a solid play on Watney. I am NOT flushing $500 down the toilet without having it seem to be a good play. I threw $10 on Corey Pavin to win....did he have a chance to win? I bet $195 on Ricky Barnes....missed the cut. I bet over $300 in Matchups and win bets on Miguel Jiminez....lost every one. I bet over $200 on Matt Bettencourt. I think he withdrew after 3 holes. What a joke.

I made hundred and hundreds of plays that month (July and August). Many were total donations to 5Dimes. Many guys I bet could not win. I got real lucky with Oosty in the British for $10 at 450-1, and just kept playing into the PGA each week.

Get lost losers. You are really looking bad. You defend liars and shot-taking books. Good for you.

**sharpcat** · 09-14-10, 09:37 PM

Let me just explain to you why it is fair that a book be able to void a wager like this.

If books were not able to void wagers like this me knowing that I have a wager that has a 30% chance of winning was paying 20-1 I would have hit them for the max $500 to win $10,000 and than I would have called everybody I knew and told them that I had a way for them to have a 30% chance of turning $500 into $10,000 so if me and 19 friends hit this line for the max wager 5dimes would have had a 30% chance of losing $200,000 possibly putting them out of business because one of their employees accidentally hit the "0" button twice. This is not Las Vegas internet sportsbooks are much more vulnerable to getting hit by 20 players on a bad line within a minute which would take hours in Las Vegas.

Tony did not take a shot at you he paid you 3-1 on a bet that should have been 2-1 you were fully compensated for the error in the future compare lines to other books before placing your wager.

**LVHerbie** · 09-14-10, 09:38 PM

Originally posted by BackDoorCover

Proof is only that someone at 5dimes SHOULD have known, not that they did know. Frankly, I think its much more likely that somebody at 5dimes dropped the ball in locating and canceling the bad-line wagers rather than any intentional shot-taking.

HOWEVER, what SHOULD have happened is this:

5dimes would have canceled your bet, refunded your $, and offered you the correct odds at +215. Of course you would have declined this offer. HOWEVER, now you got to keep a winning wager you wouldn't have otherwise had if this was handled correctly by 5dimes. You got a GREAT outcome out of this, why are you still complaining?

It would be interesting to get 5dimes response to this... Although, I'm sure, they will just agree that someone SHOULD have done this but it "was overlooked"... The truth is either 5dimes was taking a shot at someone they perceived as taking a shot at them or their customer service and verification process is shit.... Either way, IMO, 5dimes (ie Tony personally) should be publicly apologizing to this customer or SBR should be considering a downgrade in rating...

While I've always been one to push that the ratings should solely represent the safety and financial stability of books but think there is some validity to argument that customer services should be included in ratings as it unreasonable to expect any customer to have to deal with fuckers like Tony while the company maintains a A+ rating...

I still think a better policy (then the one advocated by SBR) is that bad lines should stand after a certain (and short) period of time (and, for sure, once the events starts)... Given the current situation books have no incentive to have necessary procedures to verify the lines they are offering and it opens the door to books taking shots at players or( as is probably the case here) having the book's integrity questioned...

Books always have the right to refuse any future action so personally I think they need to suffer the consequences for being to incompetent to verify the lines they offering... The truth is services and ratings, like those SBR provides, are one of the few legit regulatory forces against books because rating downgrades actually effects their bottom line... (Cascade still being operational is proof of this)... Therefore SBR should be working to correct flawed rules such as this either through advocacy or through their ratings...

**Dirty Sanchez** · 09-14-10, 09:40 PM

"Good-bye"

And he drones on and on and on........and on.......blah blah blah blah blah

**BewareOf5Dimes** · 09-14-10, 09:41 PM

Originally posted by Dank_Fire

Its unreal that this thread is continuously being bumped....A book made a mistake and the guy got paid

Book made a mistake. Owner treated player like garbage in chat and also LIED about what he knew and when he knew it. That means that the book knew that I would be sweating the bet from Thursday through Sunday (they knew Tuesday or Wednesday). They also knew that they weren't going to pay.

If they discovered their mistake on Tuesday or Wednesday and let me twist in the wind each and every day before dropping the daggar on me, then they should rot in hell.

And that is just what they did. Keep sending them your money. Did you not read how they ran me around faxing CC info in order to withdraw part of by British Open winnings? The best part is that I had deposited by way of **...........nice way to treat customers.

**sharpcat** · 09-14-10, 09:42 PM

2-1 bet at 5-1 good bet

2-1 bet at 20-1 bad bet

you had a 300% edge on this play I am happy to gain a 2% edge on a play and I am doing backflips if I find a wager with a 10% edge.

**jjgold** · 09-14-10, 09:42 PM

Lots of players have concluded it was a bad line

**MJFtheGenius** · 09-14-10, 09:44 PM

poster who started this thread was right

5dimes repuation clearly has taken a hit

**BewareOf5Dimes** · 09-14-10, 09:46 PM

Originally posted by sharpcat

Let me just explain to you why it is fair that a book be able to void a wager like this.

If books were not able to void wagers like this me knowing that I have a wager that has a 30% chance of winning was paying 20-1 I would have hit them for the max $500 to win $10,000 and than I would have called everybody I knew and told them that I had a way for them to have a 30% chance of turning $500 into $10,000 so if me and 19 friends hit this line for the max wager 5dimes would have had a 30% chance of losing $200,000 possibly putting them out of business because one of their employees accidentally hit the "0" button twice. This is not Las Vegas internet sportsbooks are much more vulnerable to getting hit by 20 players on a bad line within a minute which would take hours in Las Vegas.

Tony did not take a shot at you he paid you 3-1 on a bet that should have been 2-1 you were fully compensated for the error in the future compare lines to other books before placing your wager.

I do NOT have a problem with a book voiding/modifying bets when they make a mistake on the line, especially if they catch thier alleged mistake before the event goes off. That is perfectly reasonable and FAIR. Can you not see that the facts show that they knew of their mistake at the latest Wednesday (tournament doesn't start until Thursday), and because Tony THOUGHT I took a shot he then took a shot at me by not notifying me of the bad line.

So, the only thing that can be proven is Tony lied in chat about finding out Sunday morning. They were willing to take a shot at me and be dishonorable because they believed I took advantage of a bad line.

All they had to do was void the bet Tuesday or Wednesday and send me an email. You CANNOT wait until a guy is up 3 going to the last round and only has to finish in the top 20 and then freeze my account.

Especially when they knew all along that I was rooting it in in Good Faith the whole time. They knew about this at least one full day before the tourney started since the other poster confirmed his bet on Watney at 2.15-1 on Wednesday.

How you think this makes 5Dimes look good and me bad is beyond me.

**Flight** · 09-14-10, 09:46 PM

Yes a JJ video! Let's watch....

**fury** · 09-14-10, 09:47 PM

5dimes bends down for their customers.

**LVHerbie** · 09-14-10, 09:47 PM

Originally posted by sharpcat

Let me just explain to you why it is fair that a book be able to void a wager like this.

If books were not able to void wagers like this me knowing that I have a wager that has a 30% chance of winning was paying 20-1 I would have hit them for the max $500 to win $10,000 and than I would have called everybody I knew and told them that I had a way for them to have a 30% chance of turning $500 into $10,000 so if me and 19 friends hit this line for the max wager 5dimes would have had a 30% chance of losing $200,000 putting them out of business because one of their employees accidentally hit the "0" button twice. This is not Las Vegas internet sportsbooks are much more vulnerable to getting hit by 20 players on a bad line within a minute which would take hours in Las Vegas.

Tony did not take a shot at you he paid you 3-1 on a bet that should have been 2-1 you were fully compensated for the error in the future compare lines to other books before placing your wager.

As been discuss several times in this thread the books have (or should have) mechanism in place that downgrade the line after being hit by a large or max bet... Bet opening numbers at Cris or pinnacle and you will see this in action.... After reading this thread I can no longer see how it is the player's responsibility to verify the line... Clearly the current system gives book more (not less) incentives to not post and verify good numbers as they can set and wait on notifying the player (either intentionally or through incompetence and ego as, as we are suppose to believe is the case for Tony's A+ rated 5dimes?) Does anyone who has read this entire thread (and obviously not shilling) believe that 5dimes rating is justified given whatever their (apparently?) non-existent line verification system is and the antics of Tony?

edit: Make books like 5dimes eat a couple max bets at 20-1 that should be 2-1 (or face rating downgrades) and I bet you will see some of the needed improvements very quickly in this area and, hopefully, customer service as well...

**shari91** · 09-14-10, 09:47 PM

Originally posted by jjgold

Lots of players have concluded it was a bad line

Did you read anything before you posted this??? I don't think anyone's said after the BetFair odds were posted 2 days ago that this wasn't a bad line. The point is it is the poster's responsibility to know what a good line should be? What people are debating is the way it was handled and whether or not the OP deserves anything more than he received from Tony as far as compensation is concerned.

**BewareOf5Dimes** · 09-14-10, 09:56 PM

Originally posted by BewareOf5Dimes

You know what? After I saw the line adjusted to 10-1 that Tuesday I never checked back to see what he went off at the start on Thursday. It could be that they realized they put up a bad line, and maybe it was 2-1 at post time, but maybe it was 10-1.

But that makes my case even better. If it was still 10-1 at post time then they had plenty of time to adjust the line and realize the mistake (if there was one). However, it is even worse if the line was 2-1 at the start, because that would mean that they had to know about my plays and that Tony decided to take a shot at me.

They are wrong either way.

Makes my point even better now that we know the odds were close to 2-1 at post time.

**raydog** · 09-14-10, 09:58 PM

aint got time for a fukking 20 minute video pal...watched 2 minutes of it... i agree..8 with / 3 without the rug.

dude, you are lucky to have gotten paid anything on the bet...you took a few shots at bad lines and got caught doing it..you shouldnt have gotten shit... if i were tony, i would seriously consider keeping the money he paid you and sending you what you have left in the book...as well as let every book around know that you are a shot taker and a shit customer to have.. seriously, you keep pushing their name through the shit , when it was you who were wrong, and it will come back to haunt you if you want to keep playing offshore.

**sharpcat** · 09-14-10, 09:58 PM

Originally posted by LVHerbie

As been discuss several times in this thread the books have (or should) mechanism in place that downgrade the line after being hit by a large or max bet... Bet opening numbers at Cris or pinnacle and you will see this in action.... After reading this thread I can no longer see how it is the player's responsibility to verify the line... Clearly the current system gives book more (not less) incentives to not post and verify good numbers as they can set and wait on notifying the player (either intentionally or through incompetence and ego as, as we are suppose to believe is the case for Tony's A+ rated 5dimes?) Does anyone who has read this entire thread (and obviously not shilling) believe that 5dimes rating is justified given whatever their (apparently?) non-existent line verification system is and the antics of Tony?

If books had this kind of software sharps would absolutely crush the books every time a few squares bet into a line causing it to move automatically, even worse sharps would manipulate lines betting half the max causing the line to move and than coming back over the top and hammering the other end after the line has moved.

Being a head linesman of an online book is a whole different beast than in Las Vegas within seconds sharps and syndicates can absolutely demolish a bad line.

The book did not take a shot at him they paid him 3-1 on a 2-1 bet Tony was an ass to him because he wanted to make it clear that he was aware of and was not going to tolerate the OP taking shots at him. What is there to not understand about this?

The OP is trying to manipulate people and degrade the book I am no shill but I am not going to tolerate some disgruntled idiot degrading and deterring players from playing at one of the top 5 books in the industry over something this ridiculous.