sorry JJ you are absolutely wrong I didnotsay US books arebad they are good, but the EUR books ( most of them) as well Betfair William Hill Ladbrokes Betsson Betfred are class and the customer support is excellent
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What if BetFair has Tiger to win at 20-1 because he is struggling this year, but I bet 5-1 without knowing it is a shitty line at a book. If Tiger is in the final group on Sunday, can I ask this book to adjust my bet to 20-1 because 5-1 was obviously a "bad" line? You will get LOL from CS in chat. So it is okay for books to post bad lines as long as they are much worse than market, but if it is much better then it is no no?Last edited by wrongturn; 09-14-10, 11:27 AM.Comment -
tony sure caught the bad line at the right time for him didn't he
funny how that happens
pay the man his money you thief.Comment -
Foxy I said UK books blow away American Books in most categories including customer service.Comment -
I'm no Golf expert but the line does look too high to me ! What is fair ( offered elsewhere ? ) seems relevant in this case.
I would need more info on this to judge fairly.
5D could certainly have checked stuff more closely....Comment -
What I do not understand here is either the original poster is the biggest idiot on the planet and was lucky enough to happen to randomly pick out 2 plays that happened to be very bad lines.
Or the original poster was smart enough to know that he had a 600% edge on this bet and that it was a bad number, but if he knew this than he would have known that this bet was likely to be canceled and therefore should have no reason to be upset.
I think scenario 2 here is the right fit he took a shot at the book counted his chickens before the eggs hatched and thought he got away with it and than Tony made him feel like an ass on live chat and he realized he was not gonna rip the book off for 8k so he came here to vent about it.Comment -
Dont always post on SBR, but just read this entire thread. I like SBR, but am still surprised at 5Dimes being rated A+. I love 5dimes tennis and MMA odds, also the props are cool. Im just hesitant, after seeing the Tony chat. I've managed businesses, before, and if my demeanor was like 5dimes Tony, I would have been out of business. They definetly need to check the customer service thought process at 5 dimes, and SBR needs to lower the grade of 5dimes, from A+ to a B. Just my 2 cents.Comment -
Come on. You know better than this ... or you should.
The line was off by a factor of 10 ... not a Jets +7 when it should have been +6 ... not Lions moneyline +300 when it was supposed to be +250.
This was the equivalent of getting Kansas City Chiefs moneyline in last night's game at odds of +1800 instead of +180.
It was an obvious bad line.Comment -
Definitely, no where near an A+ book. I dont play there anymore either. Great customer service over at Legends and they pay quick.Comment -
Sharps agreeing with 5 Dimes here
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So he is a shot taker because he refused to agree to a lower payout ?
I wouldnt have answered the question either, because on the last day of the tournament I think the "fair odds" should be whatever the bet was. So in this case 20 to 1. All tony was asking him was to negotiate a new, lower price.
to me, only a shot taker would be willing to negotiate. If I bet it at 20 to 1, and now its several days later, I expect 20 to 1 not 15 to 1 or 7 to 1, I expect the 20 to 1.
Now If I knew I was taking a shot, and Tony asked me to negotiate I would probably do it gladly and say like 10 to 1. My thinking would be, hell he is still going to pay me for my shot taking just at a lower price. Thats good.
But If i thought I was making an honest bet I would expect the full 20 to 1.Comment -
Hopefully in a week or 2, we can get a thread, where the guy starts a thread after he's made the bet, and it reads
"I'm a shot taker"
he admits to taking a bad line, and the line loses. Then 5dimes doesn't refund him his bet. Because everyone knows that would be the outcome.Comment -
is there any evidence where 5dimes gives money back after a bad line has been posted?Comment -
I have been away for a week and come across this thread; I did not have 2 hours to read the entire post. However, I bet the EXACT same bet as the op. I have cut and pasted the ticket below. Note that I bet $100 on Watney at +215 to finish in the top 20. Note the wager ended up being a partial payout due to the deadheat rule and they originally graded it incorrectly, but corrected it upon my email notification. That's neither here or there.
Important things to note:
1) I bet a fair amount of golf. 20/1 to finish in the top 20 for a top 40 worldwide player?? Puh-leaze, anyone who bets ANY golf (as the op obviously does) KNOWS this is a bad line. The op hit it TWICE for god's sake, for way more than he usually plays. Never HEARD of Nick Watney, yet he's pounding away? Anyone who follows golf enough to bet anywhere near the plays the op does has heard of Watney. Ridiculous claim, it was obviously a bad line by a factor of 10, no question about it, no one can dispute this. The greek I believe, had Watney at +200 0r +190 to finish in the top 10, I know it was worse then what 5dimes had or I would have bet it there.
2) However, with #1 clearly establishing that the op bet into a bad line, I still have a HUGE issue with the very late cancellation of the bet. Obviously the original line movement after the original poster made his bets were an automated line movement. HOWEVER, the line was clearly adjusted all the way to +215 by WED 6pm BEFORE the tournament. That means the line was adjusted by a HUMAN, not software. In that case, SOMEONE knew that a bad line existed and they corrected it. AT THAT POINT, it is incumbent on 5dimes to search for anyone who bet on the bad line and canceling the wager BEFORE the tourney starts. THAT was the 5 dimes error. Whether this error was a MISTAKE or an intentional SHOT TAKEN on the part of 5dimes is unclear.
Unfortunately, 5 dimes is in the power position, and they do not have to face the consequences for failing to notify the original poster of the bad line when they obviously either knew or SHOULD have known it.
Wager details for ticket number xxxxxxxx:
Wager Type: Future/Prop Wager Status: Win/Loss Risk / To Win Amount: 100.00 / 215.00 (USD) Accepted 8/11/2010 6:31 PM - EST Lost / Won: 83.34 / 35.82 Amount Paid: 52.48 Selection: Golf Major USPGA Championship - Top 20 8/12/2010 2:00 PM - (EST) Nick Watney 215 Outcome - Contestant Tied * Event Notes: [6003]Last edited by BackDoorCover; 09-14-10, 08:27 PM.Comment -
Not sure why this thread is still here....it's become beyond boring. I was skeptical from day one when the dudes name is "Bewareof5 Dimes" give me a break....this thread is over and done already.
5 Dimes is a solid book...and this case is overdone and embellished I'm sureComment -
You take a shot at a book don't cry when they take a shot at you
As you stated the OP hit this line twice for way more than his other bets and also hit a 45-1 line at 450-1 OP had it coming to him he took a shot at the book they took a shot back at him.
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You stupid idiots. I said I was done posting. If you are too dumb to see that the poster who bet Watney at 2.15 to one actually helps my case, then there is nothing to be said. I told you clowns all along that they took a shot at me and they likely knew about my bet from Day One!. Now, there is proof that they had to know about my bet on Wednesday, and that PROVES that Tony LIED in chat.
There is NO PROOF that I took a shot, just the accusation that I bet into a bad line that may have resulted from a mistake on 5Dimes part when they set the line.
The ONLY PROOF is that the owner of the book LIED IN CHAT about finding out Sunday morning. Get lost. And give me my MONEY NOW! Unless Tony wants to deny the proof that the line was 2.15-1 on Wednesday.
You stupid defenders of 5Dimes don't even realize what you just did. You just proved without a doubt that Tony was trying to set me up in CHAT by LYING about what he knew and when he knew it.
Go ahead and send your hard-earned money to him and see how you like it when you get lied to by the owner of the book. I knew he was lying about finding out about it Sunday morning. But now I have proof.
It is all documented. Make your own conclusions. New facts have just been presented. Tony is a DOCUMENTED liar. It is all in the chat logs. See for yourself. Here is a guy running a multi-million dollar business and asking people so send ** payment to Peru so he can live the high life on United States players honest dollars earned.
And he is too dumb not to lie in CHAT about a matter involving thousands of dollars. Now he is a DOCUMENTED LIAR....period. If he will lie about this what will he lie about next? Do you think that he only lies if the number is just under 10K, or do you think he also lies on matters over 10K?Last edited by BewareOf5Dimes; 09-14-10, 08:40 PM.Comment -
Not sure if Tony knew about it or not, but SOMEONE at 5dimes changed the odds to the correct odds at 6:30pm Wed., or sooner. Maybe an employee messed up and didn't look for the bettors who took the bad line. No way of knowing. Its clear they SHOULD have known.
However, Beware, you got paid at a generous +300 (better than I got), so what are you bitching about?? The situation was resolved fairly. The customer service may have sucked, but the final outcome was the correct one.Comment -
It is real simple. I bet I line that I thought was good for me. I did not think it was a bad line. Maybe a lazy line or a careless line, but not bad. Just like Oostahzen in the British Open should not be 450-1 to win. After all, he was ranked 54th in the world heading into the British. When I bet $10 on him I had never heard of him. After I bet Ooshazen and after the first round I found out he was pretty good. 450-1 was a good line that was probably off from the true odds by a factor of 7-8....which is about the same difference as my Watney bet that people say was SO OFF. It is not off by a factor more than Oosty winning the British, and it doesn't matter anyways because I watched the whole tourney thinking the Watney play was GOOD, even if it did turn out to be a bad line. But you can't trust what they say. Tony just proved that with his documented lie.
I watched golf for about three weeks pretty strong so if I spot a good line on Watney I am allowed to take advantage of it. That is the whole point in following the stuff, is it not?Comment -
There is NO PROOF that Tony took a shot at you either, just the accusation that he knew prior to sunday morning.
You knew what you were doing if not you would not have hit the number twice and you would not have also hit the 450-1 line that was supposed to be 45-1. Every time Tony asked you in the Chat why you would think that a player to win at 50-1 would be 200-1 to land in the top 20 you played stupid and tried to change the subject and point out all of your other bets that were 10 times smaller than what you hit the 200-1 line at.
Lesson learned now you know that when you take shots at bad lines the book is going to freeroll on you this is well known and this is why sharp players do not hit bad lines it is a no win/lose play.
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pal, you need to step away from the computer and not say another word about this topic. you took shots at this book and then made a thread about it??? people who know a thing or two about betting golf and how books work, know exactly what you did and you wont get sympathy for trying to steal. you need to get over the fact that the odds were changed late and start looking at the fact that you knew 100% that you were taking shots... nobodies fault but your own pal. thats the bottom line here... and now that i re-read the chat, that was tony being pretty nice for him.... someone takes over 8k worth of shots at me and then gives me shit about it when i dont pay it...well, i wouldnt have been as nice as him.Comment -
The PROOF is in the bet that was just posted by another poster. He documented the bet made on Wednedsay at 2.15-1 on Watney to finish top 20. I bet on Tuesday, a day before, at higher odds.
That means that 5Dimes, if indeed they had posted a bad line on Tuesday, by definition had to know abuot it on Wednesday at the latest, since the poster bet at 2.15-1.
If you are telling me that those facts help 5Dimes then you need to smoke a new brand of underwear....maybe Haynes?Last edited by BewareOf5Dimes; 09-14-10, 09:00 PM.Comment
