i was going to take a freebet at 5dimes your post convince to look another way
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Tony is famous, LoL.Comment -
i was coming here looking for new Tony quotes. disappointedComment -
i stopped playing at 5dimes when i kept hearing all these tony stories.Comment -
The part that the 5Dimes defenders are ignoring is that the "off market line" issue has to be a two way street. A book can't offer odds that are far off market in the opposite direction (i.e. screwing the bettor) while also canceling bets where the bettor might have an advantage on the market. As I said, 5D had tons of goal scorer props during the World Cup where "player A to score" was -99999. I can guarantee you that plenty of these markets were traded at better than -1000 or Betfair for far more than the $1309 that was traded on the golf prop at +200 or better. If someone who took -99999 and lost said "Hey Tony, can you void my bet, it was obviously an off market line compared to BF," would 5D cancel the losing wager? If the answer is yes, it's ok for 5D to cancel the golf bets, but if the answer is no, 5D is clearly in the wrong. The "off market line" issue has to be a 2 way street.Comment -
i am taking my money out of 5dimes
go over to the rx forums their mods are more likely to get some help than these guysLast edited by antifoil; 09-12-10, 07:34 PM.Comment -
What lots of defenders of 5Dimes aren't realizing is that the sportsbooks wouldn't exist without bettors, and since nobody from 5Dimes has stepped in to dispute anything whatsoever that I have said, then the facts speak.
What the players are saying is that in this case I got a raw deal. It doesn't mean shit if 5Dimes says the line is bad, especially since they didn't tell me about it until my player was leading by 3 heading into round 4....and all he had to do is finish in the top 20. Not only that, they adjusted the line when I first bet from 20-1 to 15-1, and I bet it again at 15-1....then they adjusted it to 10-1. This was on Tuesday...the tournament didn't start until Thursday. It wasn't an obviously bad line, either, and I have explained in detail why that is.
So, 5Dimes can claim that they have the right to do anything, and Tony can claim he is God, like he did in chat to someone else who had a previous dispute.
Players can see what happened, and they have the right not to play at 5Dimes after reading this. Tony will never know how much business he cost himself by being a scumbag thief and cheat. PIGGY actions have consequences, Tony, you should have learned this in 3rd grade you GOOF. Now, you are locked up in a box in Costa Rica and you can't even set foot in the United States without getting your ass arrested.
If you were God you should be able to take a trip. You can't even go to Vegas you joke. Even broke bettors can go to Vegas....Haha, Sucker.Comment -
This does not look good for 5dimes. This is like your local giving you +300 moneyline on the Eagles instead of the regular +200 moneyline, so your more willing to take the bet. After taking the +300, the Eagles are about put the game away leading 27-20 with only 2 minutes left. Your local then calls you and says, "even though I already accepted your play, I change my mind", "I am only giving you the original +200 or get nothing".
Basically what 5dimes appears to have done here is, making a line very attractive to induce people to bet on Nick Watney at the odds of 20-1 to finish top 20. 5dimes did this knowing that they are in a win-win situation. The odds of people cashing out on Nick Watney is highly unlikely since nobody knows who the hell he is, and that he probably sucks! If the bet is in danger of losing, 5dimes can then simply intricate their rules of a bad line as an excuse to void or lessen the wager after the fact!
5dimes were given plenty of time to void or correct the play and they didn't. They did after the fact, and border-lining with the D rated books here. This is similar to Sportsbook.com correlated parlays, where they stiff hundreds of players, despite knowingly allow it to happen.Comment -
lets go sbr john,lue,jjgold, please state your opinion on this thread. thank youComment -
So no one here likes to run with scissors?Comment -
So they come up with a bad line and Tony reams you for it. This is why they need to regulate this SHYT so that people like this wouldn't be able to pull the SHYT they do.Comment -
Actually i'm not defending them at all. I'm saying that once again you/we play at a book and when they enforce their terms conditions and right to correct the line you have an issue with it. I have seen this in Poker..now that you know this and the book has a right to do this what are you going to do in the future......Comment -
At this point, what is the point of this thread...instead of posting this did you try to reach out the a moderator and file a complaint..do u really think this will make a difference...Comment -
take your money out of 5dimes immediately and dont look back
SBR better lower their rating on 5 dimes after this BS
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Again, does 5 dimes have a right to do this..please answer yes/No.....i mean if a police officer writes a ticket for going 5 mph over the limit..is it picky yes..is it within his right...YES. Do we know if the player has done this many other times..sounds like if this is an issue do not play props at that book..but does that mean it's not an A rated book...Comment -
Tried that last month. Told the story and nobody could do anything. So, now I have a right to tell the story to the public since I was offered a big FAT ZERO. Not even an apology.
It ended up costing me more money because instead of cashing out what I had I rolled over some plays into the next tournament because the dispute was being talked about for a few days.
The honest thing to do was to tell this story.....over a month later and not even an apology for treating me like garbage. Hahahahahahahaha. This is what happens when you take advantage of players.Comment -
I'm going back to ESB there props were great..but then again they stiffed people..this really is something to read...Comment -
You bet a bad line and they adjusted it. Whoopie. Happens all the time. So if I log onto 5dimes tomorrow and they have Miami Heat at 30-1 to win the East, I should be able to bet what i want on it and get away with it??Comment -
ny player yes they have the right to change the line if the line was placed in error .but the line was up for 4 days ... line have changed at least 3 times ...and then player was informed couple of hours before end of the turny that the bet was void.nyplayer look even me or you can can run a line like"god"run it.we would post incorrect lines and at the and we will scam all the winners with the"rules"this is bs that why sbr took that thread out of players talk,they only bring it back because players where bitching.Comment -
I'm sold. The chat log showed what a jack ass this "Tony" guy is.
******* apologize for having the bad line - don't be a doucehbag and accuse this guy of trying to pull something. I know it's a sports book but they need to learn some tact and customer service skills. Casual bettors don't know what a bad line is.Comment -
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Only you know if you were trying to take a shot, but you cant seriously have expected Casey to be 425-1 and Watney +2000 to finish in top 20. Come on now, if you have been betting golf you would know that, you seriously didnt check the odds at another book and see it was an error?
I admit it was odd and wrong watney odds changed but even 15-1 and 10-1 on him being in T20 was wrong and the CS is horrible but my hunch here is you knew what you were doing and got caught.Comment -
Funny how you just jumped in this thread and the only 4 post you ever had was here. We were all first posters at one time on every forum we ever signed up for, but i find it a bit peculiar your first, second, third, and fourth post was here and only here. I'm not saying your a shill, ... but if I was a betting man (which I am) I'd give better odds then what Watney had, that you are.
Just playing the odds, that's all
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You still don't get the point! The book took his bet. If he would of lost on that bad line, would 5dimes refund him. No! They were baiting him to take it, since the odds were against him to actually hit anyways. And if he wins, they'll just throw in the stupid rule on the fly to limit what he should of actually won.Comment -
Funny how no other book seems to post as many "erroneous lines" as 5dimes.Comment -
Don't get thrown off by the Paul Casey thing. Tony is using that as a Red Herring. I bet the Masters in April and also bet horses then. I redeposited $450 by ** for the British Open. Playing longhshots even I had never heard of. I had Oosthazen to win for $10 at 450-1 in the British Open. Didn't even know who he was until after I bet....I bet about 30 bombers for $10-$20 each. He was ranked 50th in the world as it turned out....still was 450-1.
I started rolling over that victory (after cashing out 3K and having them run me ragged at Kinkos faxing CC info even though I deposited by **...LOL).
I started betting the PGA each week for a few hundred if I had money left over from that week's tournament. They had future odds on PGA each week that would reset. Some odds would go higher and some would go lower. Oosthazen was likely 500-1 before he won the British...he was 60-1 I think for the PGA.
I bet guys each week....whomever looked the best odds. So I had lots of plays heading into the PGA, then they set the new odds again that Monday or Tuesday.....I bet a bunch of guys Tuesday. One of them was Casey at 425-1. I bet about $60. They sent an email an hour later saying bad line and canceled the bet....fine. When I saw the 425-1 I Googled to see if Paul Casey was even playing...lol. I saw his Twitter and he said he was sick, but still playing. I didn't want to bet at 425-1 if he wasn't playing. That is why Tony in his original interrogation mentions that he doesn't care about Twitter.....I was explaining why I bet. But even if he wasn't sick, as long as he was playing it would have been worth it. I was scrolling hundreds of plays and betting as I went along. He was trying to use one of hundreds of plays to suggest the Watney play was taking a shot.
I bet over 100 guys to win the PGA....anywhere from $3 to win all the way to a little over $100 on Retief Goosen. I played about 5 first round matchups for over 100 each...lost every one of them.
I bet one top 5 and it was Ricky Barnes for $195. He missed the cut. I bet one Top 20 and it was Watney ....$250 at 20-1 and $250 at 15-1....then they adjusted the odds again and made it 10-1. I didn't bet any at 10-1. This was Tuesday. The tourney doesn't start until Thursday.
I root Barnes and Watney and Watney is somehow up 3 heading into the final round. I can't log into my account and you guys know the rest.
The bottom line is that in my mind I was betting what I liked and the line was not obviously bad on Watney. Just a week earlier there were a few guys you could bet at 150-1 to win and 175-1 to win without Tiger Woods, meaning you are better off betting the higher odds without Woods , since not only do you get the higher odds, you also have one less player to beat, because if Woods won and you got second you win.
The reason that happens is because their props are all separate props, and there are 5 or 6 categories...all listed separately, so if you are racing through them you just take which ones you like best because the lines might adjust by the time you check back. They are not listed side by side, so you just scroll and add the number to each guy you are betting at those odds.
Everything I said is true, and nobody has disputed a single thing. Even if they have the right to do what they did, I have the right to do what I am doing, and that is TELLING THE STORY.
Sometimes the right thing is the wrong thing, just like it is wrong to give someone a speeding ticket if they are on the way to the hospital having a heart attack. Technically, you can write the ticket and say the guy was speeding, but we all know that the facts matter more than the fact that the guy was over the limit.
When all is said and done Tony showed his true colors and I told a true story. Anybody who has read the thread can see that he is in the wrong one way or the other. At a minimum he is a PIGLET....PIGGY....PIGGY...PIGGY...PIGGY . How do you like this TRUE STORY, PIGGY PIGGY PIGGY?
Not that the Paul Casey bet that was canceled on Tuesday even matters, but here is his Twitter from that week. It doesn't even matter, since they claimed the line was wrong and cancelled it that day. I had bet him a few weeks earlier for $40 or so at lower odds, but odds change, and if he was sick or not playing then 425-1 wasn't a good bet. Once I know he is playing, even if people think he is sick and raise the odds, then I figured I would bet a bit more on him. It doesn't even matter, but it shows my thought process.....not taking a shot, obviously
Not feeling great today. Either allergies or sinus problems. Trying to sort it out so I'm good for the rest of the week. 12:46 PM Aug 9th via TweetDeck <LI id=status_20728845229 class="hentry u-Paul_Casey status">Just registered at Whistling Straits. Playing on Thurs/Fri with Jerry Kelly & Anthony Kim. 11:44 AM Aug 9th via TweetDeck
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beware 5dimes, what are you trying to achieve. I'm not going to disparage you from posting and such...do you have a goal in mind or just post over and over. Did you reach out to SBR and ask them to enter into chat with the book in question?? Just trying to see what your trying to accomplish...if you think you will put a dent in there business i can suggest that will never happen. Most bettors want the security of knowing the book won't close, money will be there and payouts are quick. I'd try to see if a resolution can be handled on your behalf....i'm done commenting on this..good luck to youComment
