Good experiences with SBG Global.

**ethandavis2** · 07-19-10, 12:03 PM

i have gotten 2 payouts about $800 each in the last 8 weeks. no problems or delays lately

**Chuck Sims** · 07-19-10, 12:34 PM

I hear Charles Manson has been a swell guy lately. Whats your point? SBG Global are crooks that will not hesitate to steal winnings from players.

**RED** · 07-19-10, 01:32 PM

What happened with sbg global anyway, didnt they used to be a solid book?

**curious** · 07-19-10, 01:41 PM

As long as SBG Global thinks you are a stiff and your account balance is small, you will have great experiences.

But, let your account balance build up to a decent size and they will accuse you of being a syndicate and steal your money.

I know 30 people personally that they did this to (including me).

**juanluis** · 07-19-10, 01:52 PM

rollover in 5dimes

I lost in two bets 400 dolars (200 deposit + 200 bonus), and now i want to deposit again, but if i do it do i have to complete the rollover or it doesn´t matter and i will be able to witdraw when i want . Thank you

**juanluis** · 07-19-10, 01:59 PM

Originally posted by juanluis

I lost in two bets 400 dolars (200 deposit + 200 bonus), and now i want to deposit again, but if i do it do i have to complete the rollover or it doesn´t matter and i will be able to witdraw when i want . Thank you

Sorry this is a new thread

**mathdotcom** · 07-19-10, 03:33 PM

I've been playing at SBG and Royal for almost 3 years straight now. I have withdrawn over 50k from them (5k at a time) twice, 5k every 2 days or so.

I just requested a 5k payout from them this morning and received it 2 hours later. Very impressive. This is one of my favorite books, and the people who complain about things that happened over 4 years ago obviously don't have a clue about this business.

**pimike** · 07-19-10, 03:36 PM

Originally posted by mathdotcom

I've been playing at SBG and Royal for almost 3 years straight now. I have withdrawn over 50k from them (5k at a time) twice, 5k every 2 days or so.

I just requested a 5k payout from them this morning and received it 2 hours later. Very impressive. This is one of my favorite books, and the people who complain about things that happened over 4 years ago obviously don't have a clue about this business.

Really SBR doesn't have a clue???

**pimike** · 07-19-10, 03:39 PM

http://www.sportsbookreview.com/sbr/sb28/

D- from SBR this all I need to know!

**mathdotcom** · 07-19-10, 04:01 PM

Yeah because SBR ratings are 100% about objectively evaluating the book. Hope you don't have a big balance at Phoenix - that B+ book will pay you, but maybe a dime a week if you're lucky.

If I got big time stiffed by a book 5 years ago, I probably wouldn't touch them today either. But those on the sidelines are missing out if they don't touch books that have a good track record for 2+ years.

The Jazette group is another D/D- family and yet I have never waited more than 48 hours for a payout; it is usually within 24 hours regardless of the size of the payout. Brobury paid me almost 20k in 8 hours. Yep, a real D- book.

**durito** · 07-19-10, 04:13 PM

Brobury is up to C-. Separate ownership from jazette.

**potless** · 07-19-10, 05:55 PM

Originally posted by Peep

I have received three payments of $2500 each from them the last six months, each one faster than the last. The last one I applied for was paid Moneybookers in less than 24 hours.

I have used CS twice, both times they were courteous and helpful. They have baseball overnights as well.

I realize the book does have a checkered past, but, for me so far, they have been an excellent out.

Anyone else been playing there of late? Similiar or different experiences?

Unusual for them to have apparently actually funded MB - normally they just say its not available when you want a payout.

**Igetp2s** · 07-19-10, 08:13 PM

Some books always get mixed reviews. They treat some people great, and then find any excuse to hassle or steal from others. SBG fits this pattern well.

**redmessi** · 07-19-10, 08:27 PM

it seems you guys made a lot money from betting, so jealous!

**clarkd32** · 07-19-10, 09:06 PM

i've actually had good experiences with betroyal and sbg in the past.

**mathdotcom** · 07-19-10, 10:07 PM

Originally posted by durito

Brobury is up to C-. Separate ownership from jazette.

Although I haven't made a 20k withdrawal from the "non-Brobury jazette books", I've made a lot of 5-10k withdrawals from them and they've always paid within 48 hours, usually the same day around 6PM EST.

We are very pleased with these books.

**abcc8048** · 07-19-10, 10:23 PM

Originally posted by Igetp2s

Some books always get mixed reviews. They treat some people great, and then find any excuse to hassle or steal from others. SBG fits this pattern well.

i agree with you, those books which is rating under D is kind of such type. They treat people differently, so u always hear about the complains as well as some so called "praise". After all, these books are not stable at all, really not recommend to bet there.

**abcc8048** · 07-19-10, 10:29 PM

Originally posted by redmessi

it seems you guys made a lot money from betting, so jealous!

haha, because people are always shamed to talk about the losing money experience, but really would like to show off how much they won from books as well as how large amount of money they withdraw from books. just as a man is shamed to show his tiny penis or talk about his failure sex experience.

**Peep** · 07-19-10, 11:23 PM

Originally posted by abcc8048

haha, because people are always shamed to talk about the losing money experience, but really would like to show off how much they won from books as well as how large amount of money they withdraw from books. just as a man is shamed to show his tiny penis or talk about his failure sex experience.

Another part of that is that we can't really say much about books we lose at. What is there to say? They are all good books when they don't have to pay out because we can't pick a winner there.

**Patrick McIrish** · 07-20-10, 12:34 AM

Good or bad always nice to hear feedback from players in a book, thanks Peep.

**Mudcat** · 07-20-10, 07:02 AM

Man I haven't played there in years

**RickySteve** · 07-20-10, 03:18 PM

Winning players that understand the risks can exploit low-rated books. To imply that these places are safe to play at and encourage the losing 99% to deposit there is highly irresponsible and bad for the industry.

**curious** · 07-20-10, 09:52 PM

Originally posted by mathdotcom

I've been playing at SBG and Royal for almost 3 years straight now. I have withdrawn over 50k from them (5k at a time) twice, 5k every 2 days or so.

I just requested a 5k payout from them this morning and received it 2 hours later. Very impressive. This is one of my favorite books, and the people who complain about things that happened over 4 years ago obviously don't have a clue about this business.

Always the know it all mathdotcom. SBG stole $30K from me a little over 2 years ago.

**lukahh** · 07-21-10, 03:35 AM

why would anyone play at sbg? bonuses, good odds, what's the charm?

**mathdotcom** · 07-21-10, 10:00 AM

Originally posted by curious

Always the know it all mathdotcom. SBG stole $30K from me a little over 2 years ago.

http://www.sportsbookreview.com/sbr/sbg/

I don't see a $30k stiff within 3 years anywhere on there.

**BigDaddy** · 07-21-10, 12:23 PM

Originally posted by RickySteve

Winning players that understand the risks can exploit low-rated books. To imply that these places are safe to play at and encourage the losing 99% to deposit there is highly irresponsible and bad for the industry.

100% agree

**Max009** · 07-21-10, 12:35 PM

Originally posted by RickySteve

Winning players that understand the risks can exploit low-rated books. To imply that these places are safe to play at and encourage the losing 99% to deposit there is highly irresponsible and bad for the industry.

This is the problem with SBR's rating system. As I mentioned elsewhere it weights too heavily one off events. Also, there is no factoring size and length the company has been in business. SBG here is D- which means it has the same rating as any new book. SBG is about the same size as 5 Dimes' operation. Which means they are pretty big and have been around awhile. Have there been issues, obviously, but to rate new books the same or higher than those guys is the truly misleading part. For 99% of players that place is fine for financial stability. For professional bonus whores and angle shooters I would stay away.

**durito** · 07-21-10, 12:50 PM

Originally posted by mathdotcom

http://www.sportsbookreview.com/sbr/sbg/

I don't see a $30k stiff within 3 years anywhere on there.

Total stiff was over 100k. Curious had the biggest account. It was 30k. Ask bill. They flat out stole it.

10/21/2007 08:49 PM
BetRoyal (SBR rating D-) ends "fraud investigation;" steals winnings
BetRoyal confiscates what is estimated to be just over six figures in winnings from 18 players that were also subscribers to the same sports handicapping service. The book paid a tout to refer these players to BetRoyal. The players, which were clearly sourced from the pick service, made money playing the pay-for picks at BetRoyal. BetRoyal was later purchased by sbg Global (SBR rating D-) in June. sbg was asked if they wanted to continue doing business with these winning customers by both the pick service and the players' account manager. sbg management was able to review the account activity and reaffirm that they wanted to book action from these players. The house continued to lose on these plays until management froze the accounts for an "investigation." sbg is known for freezing accounts prior to confiscating funds. This tactic is used to guage backlash from users and the negative effect on current marketing investments; legitimze the claim that there may have been fraud and something to actually investigate, and to simply stall from having to deal with victims when they are most upset. | Recent sbg Global theft
10/18/2007 11:22 PM
BetRoyal (SBR rating D) locks 30 players out of their accounts citing "syndicate play." Royal Sports had advertised with a handicapper that was having a successful year before the book was purchased by sbg Global (SBR rating D-). The capper repeatedly warned what was now sbg's operation that he and his users were on a winning streak but the book said that it was not concerned because "all handicappers eventually lose." He and the players following his picks won in excess of six figures. The sportsbook now claims it is investigating the group for fraud and has frozen all winnings. SBR to interview the handicapper and contact sbg before updating in further detail. | Read SBRforum poster's report
editor correction: Pay-service handicapper counts 18 frozen accounts, which was confirmed by BetRoyal account manager. Five players file complaint with SBR.

**durito** · 07-21-10, 12:52 PM

Originally posted by Max009

This is the problem with SBR's rating system. As I mentioned elsewhere it weights too heavily one off events. Also, there is no factoring size and length the company has been in business. SBG here is D- which means it has the same rating as any new book. SBG is about the same size as 5 Dimes' operation. Which means they are pretty big and have been around awhile. Have there been issues, obviously, but to rate new books the same or higher than those guys is the truly misleading part. For 99% of players that place is fine for financial stability. For professional bonus whores and angle shooters I would stay away.

You would be wrong. They've stolen from plenty of squares who just got lucky, the pro's probably know how to get in and out without issue.

**Max009** · 07-21-10, 01:03 PM

Originally posted by durito

You would be wrong. They've stolen from plenty of squares who just got lucky, the pro's probably know how to get in and out without issue.

Here is the thing. The bigger a business you are the more likely you are to have complaints. As you are probably aware they are a pretty large operation that pays out a lot of money to a lot of different people. To compare their financial stability to some shop that just opened is absurd. Also, to say they have scammed everybody who played there is absurd. This is why the emphasis on one off events is too much. SBR takes one case, and I am not saying there were not issues, but then based on the settlement of that one case, no matter how large or how many thousands of satisfied customers there are the book is deemed essentially a scam book and is then compared to brand new books as being essentially the same or worse as far as financial reliability. Bet911 was rated C- and probably didn't handle in a month the volume SBG handles in a day.

**durito** · 07-21-10, 01:33 PM

Originally posted by Max009

Here is the thing. The bigger a business you are the more likely you are to have complaints. As you are probably aware they are a pretty large operation that pays out a lot of money to a lot of different people. To compare their financial stability to some shop that just opened is absurd. Also, to say they have scammed everybody who played there is absurd. This is why the emphasis on one off events is too much. SBR takes one case, and I am not saying there were not issues, but then based on the settlement of that one case, no matter how large or how many thousands of satisfied customers there are the book is deemed essentially a scam book and is then compared to brand new books as being essentially the same or worse as far as financial reliability. Bet911 was rated C- and probably didn't handle in a month the volume SBG handles in a day.

One off events? They flat out stole $100,000 from lucky players. It wasn't the first time. Pinnacle does 1000x their volume, I don't see any complaints there.

**Max009** · 07-21-10, 01:49 PM

Originally posted by durito

One off events? They flat out stole $100,000 from lucky players. It wasn't the first time. Pinnacle does 1000x their volume, I don't see any complaints there.

Do you think Bet911 which was rated C- was significantly more financially stable than SBG which is rated D- or Sportsbook.com which is also rated D-. Do you think any new D- rated book has the same financially stability as SBG or Sportsbook.com?

Is it fair to say to new users of SBR that there is no difference at playing at a new sportsbook and playing at sportsbook.com in terms of financial stability? Is that accurate? That is the point I am trying to make.

In fairness, I have previously posted some possible improvements to the SBR rating structure to improve it and deal with issues like this.

**RickySteve** · 07-21-10, 02:24 PM

A guy looking to gamble is going to lose wherever he deposits so that money should go to the books at the top of the screen that don't stiff anyone. That is good for the industry.

A guy like Peep or Durito deposits in ScamJoint USA and bleeds them quietly. There is a good chance they will eventually get robbed but that's factored into the cost of doing business. That is good for the industry.

Are you seriously trying to argue this?

**durito** · 07-21-10, 02:50 PM

Of course sportsbook.com is financially stable, if they are having a bad quarter they will just zero out as many accounts as are necessary to make up for it.