Americans With Sizeable Balances Should ONLY Be With These 3 Book Families...

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  • BigBollocks
    SBR MVP
    • 06-11-06
    • 2045

    #1
    Americans With Sizeable Balances Should ONLY Be With These 3 Book Families...
    Feel free to say so if you feel otherwise (or if you think this post is dead on the money), but if you have substantial money offshore I believe you have only three book family options. I'm talking five figure to six figure balances in which you can trust you're OK at all times. I've held sizeable balances and have spoken with owners at many books listed on here, but in today's climate I just cannot advise anyone to play anywhere other than these three book families. Let me also say that I put 1 and 2 ahead of 3 by a decent margin, but still trust 3.

    These three book families are (again 1 and 2 trump 3 by a margin imo)....

    1.) The Spiro Books----theGreek and BetJamaica. The guy's been paying people instantaneously since the dawn of internet wagering and even well before that, and would literally die before not honoring players' funds.

    2.) The "Cohen" family books---WSEX and Matchbook.
    These guys have also been on top of things for over a decade, and value integrity above all as well. These guys are a little more brainiac-like as opposed to Spiro's street smarts style, but they're all tremendous and have served a great purpose in the offshore world. And to a lesser extent.....
    3.) The CRIS books---CRIS, Bookmaker, and Diamond in particular. Again, the longevity and long term success of these books cannot be ignored. I don't put them in one and two's class as they've been very petty with Americans post-legislation, and have shown to not care as much about customer satisfaction. Those depositing with less than $2K should be made aware that the CRIS books DO NOT want your action, and will gouge you at every opportunity to keep you away. However, those with sizeable balances will love their opening lines with larger limits.



    I'll go ahead and shoot down two A- books that should both be rated lower while I'm at it as well. BetOnline has very suspect ownership and management, some of whom have been involved in books that have taken everyone's money and ran in the past. I don't see how they don't eventually suffer the same fate as BetCascade. I'm also surprised that anyone would still play at Bodog, but they do sponsor forums and sponsor them well. Calvin Ayre has robbed countless investors and backers in the past, and will one day run with everyone's money again. Also, Bodog has made no effort to ease customer's fears and worries whatsoever post-US legislation. Not only does Bodog deal duel lines, have low limits, and post their lines late, they don't make customer withdrawals and satisfaction a priority whatsoever anymore either.

    Anyone wishing to discuss Heritage, 5Dimes (rudest customer service in the business), Legendz, etc, feel free and we'll chat about them. These would be some of my 2nd tier US accepting books, but I stand firm behind my 1, 2, and 3 books and why I wouldn't trust anyone but those three with five or six figures longterm. GL...
  • Dark Horse
    SBR Posting Legend
    • 12-14-05
    • 13764

    #2
    I would agree. Diamond does include BetPhoenix (low juice), which looks promising for next year.

    I'm including Canbet. Is open to Americans who sign up with foreign address. OK to bet from the US.
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    • ShamsWoof10
      SBR MVP
      • 11-15-06
      • 4827

      #3
      and of course my favorite still... the Sportsbook.com family...

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      • Tunes
        SBR High Roller
        • 02-28-07
        • 234

        #4
        Can't argue with WSEX/Matchbook. I posted a few weeks ago about having a mid-five-figure balance at WSEX and wondering whether they were good for it, in the past 8 weeks have received 3 checks from them and got the checks within 5business days each time. Also had a low-five-figure balance at MB and got a check within 3 business days of requesting one.

        Was feeling a bit queasy about having so much in one place, but everytime I worry WSEX and MB come through.
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        • ShamsWoof10
          SBR MVP
          • 11-15-06
          • 4827

          #5
          Originally posted by Dark Horse
          I would agree. Diamond does include BetPhoenix (low juice), which looks promising for next year..
          I tried signing up with this BetPhoneix... FFFFFFFFFFFF*CK that... The CS has no clue and I was transfer five times with NO ONE knowing what the hell I am talking about... I just called to get my account number and after five transfers was unable to do that...

          I DO NOT recommand this book until it's CS gets a clue...

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          • Doug
            SBR Hall of Famer
            • 08-10-05
            • 6324

            #6
            agree
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            • eyeball
              SBR Wise Guy
              • 08-14-07
              • 988

              #7
              I agree any of the others you are taking a risk.
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              • HedgeHog
                SBR Posting Legend
                • 09-11-07
                • 10128

                #8
                I use the categories you mentioned, plus 3 others: 5-dimes,Skybook, and ABC Islands (all B to A Books), which offer outs I can't get at your "Big 3". I do agree with the safety message implied: "Stay away from Shit books like Sham's beloved Sportsbook.com"
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                • ShamsWoof10
                  SBR MVP
                  • 11-15-06
                  • 4827

                  #9
                  Hey HDog did you ever get credited for those parlays (loss/refunded)...?

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                  • jjgold
                    SBR Aristocracy
                    • 07-20-05
                    • 388185

                    #10
                    I would not play at any other books

                    good list
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                    • Doug
                      SBR Hall of Famer
                      • 08-10-05
                      • 6324

                      #11
                      I'd put First Fidelity next on the list, and 5D below them, and not use any others unless much smaller.
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                      • ShamsWoof10
                        SBR MVP
                        • 11-15-06
                        • 4827

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Doug
                        I'd put First Fidelity next on the list, and 5D below them, and not use any others unless much smaller.
                        I didn't see them on SBR's rating's guide... Are they under something other then First Fidelity..?

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                        • HedgeHog
                          SBR Posting Legend
                          • 09-11-07
                          • 10128

                          #13
                          Originally posted by ShamsWoof10
                          Hey HDog did you ever get credited for those parlays (loss/refunded)...?

                          Nope. That's why it's almost all A Books (and some good B's) for me from now on.
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                          • ShamsWoof10
                            SBR MVP
                            • 11-15-06
                            • 4827

                            #14
                            Really..? Bill didn't get an answer for you..? Did they say they were not going to do it or have they just not gotten around to it yet..?

                            I have 15K in there so that shows you how confident I am...

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                            • raiders72002
                              SBR MVP
                              • 03-06-07
                              • 3368

                              #15
                              BB, good post. I agree with a lot of it but I would add a lot more books to the low to medium 5 figs.
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                              • vanman
                                SBR MVP
                                • 02-08-07
                                • 1163

                                #16
                                BB as a matter of interest where would pinny fit into your list if they were available to US punters.
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                                • BigBollocks
                                  SBR MVP
                                  • 06-11-06
                                  • 2045

                                  #17
                                  Thanks guys, if these are helpful to any newcomers lurking on the site it was worth the write up (albeit perhaps stating the obvious to many veterans on here).

                                  Vanman I'd put Pinny right up there with theGreek and WSEX families. As to what's the superior book between Pinny, theGreek, WSEX, BetJamaica, and Matchbook, that's entirely dependant upon your preferred style of betting. Obviously for low juice on straight bets it's Matchbook and Pinny hands down. For opinionated lines with larger limits where the book owner throws caution to the wind it's theGreek and Pinny. For horses it's BetJM, and for trading futures and such it'd be WSEX. Again, it's all dependant on your individual needs, but they're all the cream of the crop. GL...
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                                  • Stumpage
                                    SBR MVP
                                    • 09-21-05
                                    • 2906

                                    #18
                                    Good post BB. Excellent points. You're spot on with Cris. They has been taking a lot of heat lately for their gouging, and rightly so, but I am quite comfortable with having a large balance there.....
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                                    • vanzack
                                      SBR Sharp
                                      • 12-16-06
                                      • 478

                                      #19
                                      Matchbook has handled huge balances for me without a hitch since I have started there a couple of years ago.

                                      For me, I cant think of a better book.
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                                      • NapoleonEli
                                        SBR Hustler
                                        • 10-07-07
                                        • 68

                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by HedgeHog
                                        I use the categories you mentioned, plus 3 others: 5-dimes,Skybook, and ABC Islands (all B to A Books), which offer outs I can't get at your "Big 3". I do agree with the safety message implied: "Stay away from Shit books like Sham's beloved Sportsbook.com"
                                        I got a check from sportsbook.com in less then 2 weeks. I think thats pertty good.
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                                        • exstatman
                                          SBR MVP
                                          • 11-02-06
                                          • 1060

                                          #21
                                          I got my withdrawl from 5Dimes via Western Union in about an hour.
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                                          • HedgeHog
                                            SBR Posting Legend
                                            • 09-11-07
                                            • 10128

                                            #22
                                            Originally posted by NapoleonEli
                                            I got a check from sportsbook.com in less then 2 weeks. I think thats pertty good.
                                            I don't doubt SB's abilty to pay, only their willingness to pay. They stole money out of account for "correlated parlays". What they decided not steal, I got in two weeks just like you. Forgive me for not being as happy as you are.
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                                            • jjgold
                                              SBR Aristocracy
                                              • 07-20-05
                                              • 388185

                                              #23
                                              5 Dimes is ok but at times they look to take from you if your not looking.


                                              Fidelity is ok
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                                              • NapoleonEli
                                                SBR Hustler
                                                • 10-07-07
                                                • 68

                                                #24
                                                Originally posted by HedgeHog
                                                I don't doubt SB's abilty to pay, only their willingness to pay. They stole money out of account for "correlated parlays". What they decided not steal, I got in two weeks just like you. Forgive me for not being as happy as you are.
                                                That sucks. I would too be pissed off if someone stole some of my money. Hope all get resolved soon if possible-GL on that.
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                                                • SPECULATOR 13
                                                  SBR Wise Guy
                                                  • 08-12-07
                                                  • 768

                                                  #25
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                                                  BB what about :tradesports ?i am with them and matchbook,GRANTED they are not even in the same galaxy as MB but they are EONS ahead of BETFAIR(whom doesn't even have u.s.odds)and the other exchanges.They are the only EURO. that i would ever bother with.
                                                  also old chum what is your opignion of Canbet?,i have never been able to have a clear idea of what they are about.On other review sites including this one you will find people saying that they F*CK around like all the other British books with crazy limits on both winners or loser trying the cat-up.Other guys(mostly Australians) tell you that they are the best & to be fair i also red from some u.s. guys whom have said that they wish they they could still bet them.On their website they post limits for the NFL at$15000(sides)!!! & A SOLID $3500 for the NHL(sides)!!! Do you believe that?
                                                  I would appreciate your input.
                                                  thank you.
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                                                  • rick_213
                                                    SBR Sharp
                                                    • 11-09-07
                                                    • 392

                                                    #26
                                                    I Need Your Help!

                                                    Hi I was just wondering if you know that these books are that exceptional and are based out of costa rica, do you know or know anyone that would know how to deal with the reverse situation.

                                                    I have a large balance tied up with a low grade sportsbook and they are making every excuse imaginable to not pay me my money.

                                                    What should I do to attempt to recover my funds?

                                                    Thank you for listening!! I will take your advice in the future if I can ever get my money out of these scammers.
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                                                    • BigBollocks
                                                      SBR MVP
                                                      • 06-11-06
                                                      • 2045

                                                      #27
                                                      Originally posted by SPECULATOR 13
                                                      BB what about :tradesports ?i am with them and matchbook,GRANTED they are not even in the same galaxy as MB but they are EONS ahead of BETFAIR(whom doesn't even have u.s.odds)and the other exchanges.They are the only EURO. that i would ever bother with.
                                                      also old chum what is your opignion of Canbet?,i have never been able to have a clear idea of what they are about.On other review sites including this one you will find people saying that they F*CK around like all the other British books with crazy limits on both winners or loser trying the cat-up.Other guys(mostly Australians) tell you that they are the best & to be fair i also red from some u.s. guys whom have said that they wish they they could still bet them.On their website they post limits for the NFL at$15000(sides)!!! & A SOLID $3500 for the NHL(sides)!!! Do you believe that?
                                                      I would appreciate your input.
                                                      thank you.

                                                      Hey Speculator. Often times you can get the best prices with exchanges, and it looks like you're thinking right in trying to always get the best prices on everything you play (which is humongous if you want to win longterm). Tradesports has been around for a long time, and have never given anyone any problems that I know of. I'm with you on Betfair needing vast improvement, but they do pay as well and are continuing to expand their clientèle globally.

                                                      Canbet is an extremely solid book, and have been since their start-up in Australia. They will cap you out if you play for big amounts and prove to be adept at what you're doing, but you'll never experience any trouble there with payouts and such. You can't go wrong with Canbet in terms of integrity, although their odds on many tennis and golf bets are far short of what say a Pinnacle's odds are. Best of luck this weekend mate...
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                                                      • BigBollocks
                                                        SBR MVP
                                                        • 06-11-06
                                                        • 2045

                                                        #28
                                                        Originally posted by rick_213
                                                        Hi I was just wondering if you know that these books are that exceptional and are based out of costa rica, do you know or know anyone that would know how to deal with the reverse situation.

                                                        I have a large balance tied up with a low grade sportsbook and they are making every excuse imaginable to not pay me my money.

                                                        What should I do to attempt to recover my funds?

                                                        Thank you for listening!! I will take your advice in the future if I can ever get my money out of these scammers.

                                                        Hey Rick, sorry to hear about your troubles. Hopefully you've e-mailed your problem into sportsbookreview and had them look it over and attempt to contact the book in question for you. If you've already done that and had no luck, let me know the book when you get an opportunity and I'll give you some more places to go....
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                                                        • HedgeHog
                                                          SBR Posting Legend
                                                          • 09-11-07
                                                          • 10128

                                                          #29
                                                          Originally posted by rick_213
                                                          Hi I was just wondering if you know that these books are that exceptional and are based out of costa rica, do you know or know anyone that would know how to deal with the reverse situation.

                                                          I have a large balance tied up with a low grade sportsbook and they are making every excuse imaginable to not pay me my money.

                                                          What should I do to attempt to recover my funds?

                                                          Thank you for listening!! I will take your advice in the future if I can ever get my money out of these scammers.
                                                          Name the book!!! You were asked this same Q in your thread. (Sorry BB for hi-jacking your thread temporarily).
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                                                          • SPECULATOR 13
                                                            SBR Wise Guy
                                                            • 08-12-07
                                                            • 768

                                                            #30
                                                            Originally posted by BigBollocks

                                                            Canbet.... They will cap you out if you play for big amounts and prove to be adept at what you're doing, but you'll never experience any trouble there with payouts and such.mate
                                                            BB thanks a bunch,
                                                            so if Canbet are going to do this cap bulsh*t when you win a little,they would probably cut you out when you are losing also to prevent you from coming back.The English book do not welch on payments either you just can't win anything (or go on a major losing streak and try to recoup))with them.From what you said it seem to be same story for Canbet?no?
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                                                            • BigBollocks
                                                              SBR MVP
                                                              • 06-11-06
                                                              • 2045

                                                              #31
                                                              Originally posted by SPECULATOR 13
                                                              BB thanks a bunch,
                                                              so if Canbet are going to do this cap bulsh*t when you win a little,they would probably cut you out when you are losing also to prevent you from coming back.The English book do not welch on payments either you just can't win anything (or go on a major losing streak and try to recoup))with them.From what you said it seem to be same story for Canbet?no?
                                                              Always glad to share what (little) I know . As for Canbet, I don't think they're nearly as bad as some of the other English books. They have more of a global clientèle, and are still huge with many Aussies (where they originated). Unlike some of the English books you mentioned that will quickly limit anyone that bets for big amounts (win or lose), Canbet tends to only limit players that have shown the ability to win big amounts over the long term. If you consistently won and were up say 50K or 75K Euro over six months, you'd most likely be limited to 100 Euro a play. I'd put Canbet pretty high up there, so long as you can get the best prices with them (Pinnacle has the better price nine times out of ten though). GL...
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                                                              • Poker Pirate
                                                                SBR High Roller
                                                                • 11-03-06
                                                                • 144

                                                                #32
                                                                I dont disagree with what you've said, if i had a 5 figures in any books thats where id want em.

                                                                That said jus the other day, 5dimes gave me a speedy, if not instant cashout to click2pay (american btw) Wouldnt be uneasy w/ a sizable (highish 4 digits) balance here, I believe their limits are low anyway.
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                                                                • Skankdog
                                                                  SBR High Roller
                                                                  • 08-25-07
                                                                  • 174

                                                                  #33
                                                                  Legendz 2nd tier? Dude, you must not have seen their operation lately!
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                                                                  • jjgold
                                                                    SBR Aristocracy
                                                                    • 07-20-05
                                                                    • 388185

                                                                    #34
                                                                    Legendz not even close to the top 7 books

                                                                    not even close I tepeat
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                                                                    • flyingillini
                                                                      SBR Aristocracy
                                                                      • 12-06-06
                                                                      • 41219

                                                                      #35
                                                                      Heritage is as safe as any other book out there I will tell you that much.
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