My nomination for most creative reason for not paying (Bet911)

[BigDaddy]

Peep i think what al is trying to say is

practice what you preach.

you really came across here just like the people you talk bad about.

some things you have just done in this thread are what you seem to stand up against.

just saying...

glad you got paid though

[Peep]

I am not recommending anyone play there.

I play there and plan to continue playing there because they are a useful out for me. They give me -107 on a lot of bets I cannot get -107 elsewheres. Sometimes I win, sometimes the book wins. To me, that is what sportsbetting is all about. They are a very good book for me to bet with given my style of play.

I also like the Sportbook group a lot. Again, I find them useful.

Only thing I ask is that they treat me fairly by paying on demand. And they did.

I relayed my experiences as they happened.

[Al Masters]

I hear you Peep, it is what it is,they paid you because of who you are, and i would also be happy to get paid a day after it looked bleek,i also understand that after geting paid from them, you have to behave in a certain way,regardless how they are tormenting others who want their money from them.

All should still follow your words of wisdom....stay away stay far far away.

[chrikar]

Well, i filed my complaint form a couple of hours ago and sent it to SBR. Pretty much the same issue with Peep - no MB..no Neteller..now no indication of any tracking number/check.

[Al Masters]

Peep i think what al is trying to say is

practice what you preach.

you really came across here just like the people you talk bad about.

some things you have just done in this thread are what you seem to stand up against.

just saying...

glad you got paid though

I enjoy reading Peeps posts i have respect for Peep, but i have no respect for the way he handled this situation, how the fvck can anyone who just had to put out thread after thread at a minimum of 3 sites looking for help in getting his money from them, come back the next day, saying all is wonderfull and i will keep playing there, for fvck sakes yesterday he was calling them a deposit only book.

Who calls a place all the things peep said then come back the next day the way he did, usually someone who has been compromised in some way.

example.... will pay you now, just say good things about us in your next few posts, something along those lines.

To be fair to Peep i would have probably done the same to get my scratch, but i would never play there again.but i see Peep really wants lines AT -107.

[Badco]

I am not recommending anyone play there.

I play there and plan to continue playing there because they are a useful out for me. They give me -107 on a lot of bets I cannot get -107 elsewheres. Sometimes I win, sometimes the book wins. To me, that is what sportsbetting is all about. They are a very good book for me to bet with given my style of play.

I also like the Sportbook group a lot. Again, I find them useful.

Only thing I ask is that they treat me fairly by paying on demand. And they did.

I relayed my experiences as they happened.

Shame on you PEEP,SHAME SHAME i see Richards got you in his back pocket,another example of RICHARD turning someone,and one of the hardest guys to turn at that.

so now Peep got paid while everyone else is losing sleep at night,peep YELLS OUT THE PLACE IS GOOD I WILL STILL PLAY THERE.

PEEP I WOULD OF THOUGHT YOU TO BE THE LAST TO WHORE YOURSELF OUT TO SUCH A SCUMBAG LIKE RICHARD.

i suppose everyone has a price,peeps was $1500.

How did RICHARD send PEEP moneybookers and only peep. anyone?

Because it was beneficial to both on them.

Peep you like oddsmaker these days?

[Peep]

WTF.

I play at Bet911.

Plan to continue playing there.

Have I EVER recommended anyone else play there?

NO.

I shared my experiences with the book. I brought out I was having a hard timel getting paid. All of a sudden a bunch of guys who were unwilling to say anything pip up "me too".

And you guys give me shit? Over the guys who wouldn't say anything hoping someone else would deposit?

Unreal.

But carry on. Only on the internutty.

[Peep]

Badco, you are mixing up Bet911 (Robert) with Betphoenix (Richard).

I do not think there is a "Richard" at Bet911. Do you?

[Chopsticks]

Do you think it is weird that you got paid before a lot of people, or do you think it is because you have a a lot of connections and have a big forum of your own? I do expect that everyone will get paid, but I can't see the logic in that you got paid - by moneybookers - even if you put your request in after a lot of players in this and other threads.

Robert said that he had verified your account. Obviously you can't help this, but one has to wonder what criteria he uses when he decides which accounts to verify first and which ones to delay looking at. When did you sign up with Bet911? He obviously doesn't verify the account in the order that the withdrawal requests come in, so maybe he does them chronologically from when they signed up.

I am 90% sure that he just made a special exception just because you are who you are.

[Peep]

For sure I got paid because "of who I was".

But who am I?

A regular poster who knows a lot of people and is not afraid to expose a book for slow pay and bullshit stories.

Did I pressure them best I could to pay me? Yep.

I contacted five people I knew who I thought could help me get paid. Donno for sure who helped me, but I thanked them all.

Now I will tell you who pisses me off. And as an aside, why I got paid ahead of other people.

Who pisses me off are posters who "play ball" with the book. Who DON'T bring problems out in the open, because the book asks them not to, saying that it will only make the situation worse.

It turns out there were more people not getting paid by Bet911. But they wouldn't say anything because they were afraid they wouldn't get paid if they did.

SO THEY KEPT QUIET HOPING A BIGGER SUCKER WOULD DEPOSIT SO THEY COULD GET PAID.

I do not think this is the way to go. Did I risk not being paid anything? Of course. I got strung out by and go harrassing phone calls from Dimeline sports a few months back for speaking out in the forums when others didn't.

But I still think that is the way to go.

I wish all posters would post when they have problems getting paid by a book. But a lot don't, they "go along with" the book.

I didn't.

[dark_knight]

Just to be fair Peep, there was previously a thread with the title "Bet911 not want to pay the winnings!!!" which a few people (myself included) posted too. So it wasn't a case of keeping quiet and hoping others would deposit. Also a few posts in the "Going back to bet911 thread".

Obviously not putting any blame on you, just pointing out that a few of us had indeed spoken up.

Also, funnily enough Bet911 never asked me to keep it quiet. Indeed Robert told me to go ahead and make a complaint if I wanted - I got the impression he didn't give a toss what I did!

Fairly sure he made an exception in your case because you're a respected poster whereas they view me as just some dipshit they can mess around. Trouble is, after making a complaint and posting on here, there's not much else I can do so I guess they're sort of right.

[Peep]

Just to be fair Peep, there was previously a thread with the title "Bet911 not want to pay the winnings!!!" which a few people (myself included) posted too. So it wasn't a case of keeping quiet and hoping others would deposit. Also a few posts in the "Going back to bet911 thread".

Obviously not putting any blame on you, just pointing out that a few of us had indeed spoken up.

Also, funnily enough Bet911 never asked me to keep it quiet. Indeed Robert told me to go ahead and make a complaint if I wanted - I got the impression he didn't give a toss what I did!

And to be fair, I did notice that thread dark knight.

But it was somehow a very "quiet" thread.

When you are not getting paid you do not want quiet threads. You want loud in your face book threads, on as many forums as you post in. And you want to keep bumping them until you get paid. File as many complaint forms as you can.

Did you complain to SBR about the slow pay? That was the first thing I did, even before posting. I think the guys here are good at what they do, and I think they have good connections at Bet911 (they just gave them an upgrade in March).

[dark_knight]

OK, I admit maybe I took a bit too long to submit a complaint. I figured that I should wait and see if they paid on the date they had said they would and when they didn't I posted in that thread, but still waited for a response from Bet911 to a complaint I'd sent them. When their reply was useless I complained.

Never needed to submit a complaint before so didn't want to be accused of spamming the boards with threads or submitting a complaint too early.

My point was only that I had posted my experiences in that thread so even if I wasn't persistent enough, my intention was certainly not to deceive (through keeping quiet) others into depositing so I could get paid.

[Peep]

Agree Dark Knight.

You certainly did nothing wrong.

I was only pointing out why perhaps I got paid faster than other people. I was just noiser.

[futbol]

This thread was started 2 days before your thread started up Peep,

http://forum.sbrforum.com/sportsbooks-industry/454097-bet911-not-want-pay-winnings.html

On a lighter note...who are the 5 guys you got in contact with? We could do with getting those guys on our side seeing as our friends at bet911 are too busy fighting off all the hackers to reply to emails let alone pay anyone.

[vitalyo]

futbol read post #24

So I went public with it, filed an SBR complaint, Bill Dozer got back to me within a half hour asking me for more details. Mofo and Ball Wonder at EOG and Dirty at GamblingIQ also offered to help out, and contacted some people they knew.

[1tarheelfan]

Books and their stories. Is there no end to them. Below is an actual conversation I had with Bet911 today.

Robert: "Oh, we are not paying out any moneybookers. Our moneybookers account has been hacked and we have 60-70 accounts who have defrauded us. We have stopped paying out all moneybookers until we have time to investigate further".

Me: "When can I expect to get paid?"

Robert: "Our investigation could take months. We are a very small company. But we can pay you by check."

Me: "OK. When can you do that? When could I get a tracking number?"

Robert: "Oh not until maybe the middle of next week. We still have to pay the guys who asked for payouts this Monday."

Robert: "Moneybookers still wants us to use them, but we won't until we find out what fraud was committed".

Me: "Can you send me a personal moneybookers then? You already said none of the fraud was from Canada."

Robert: "Oh no, we want to hold on to the money we have."

LOL. I have filed an SBR complaint form. I have never heard of a moneybookers account being broken into before, I do not believe any of this story for a second. In my complaint form, I asked SBR to look into this also. In the meantime I would say...

Stay far far away!

my heart bleeds for you man.i remember being told by head people at esb that everything was okay,and it was for 5years,and one season during basketball season it went to shit.i requested a small payout of 675,and was told it would be sent out.5 days later they sent me a promotion card saying if i sent them 675 that they would match it. i waited a week for my 675 and i called back and was told to call back the next day.the girl said the manager was out.i called around a hundered times in 4 months,and it was the same damn thing.they never treated me with any respect at all.i was told they were under new ownership,and i had to complete a 7 time roll over.i had deposited 3,700,so i had a high roll over to hit.i was mad but thought maybe i had a small glimmer of hope.i managed to complete it in 3 months.i ran it up my balance around 7,000.i called after it was completed,and was told i didnt meet the requirement.i cursed that guy out for everything he was worth.after that day i would call the betting line and i played mexican music out of myrtle beach as loud as i cold and as many times as i could.i called the watchdog at offshore gambling forum and was told their wasnt much he could do,and to try another book and not be upset.i asked who would he suggest,and he said betonsports.i think god i betted 1,200,and lost.i never messed with these guys long and i feel forunate.now thanks to a site like sbr i know more about the industry by staying with books like betjam,5dimes,greek,and bookmaker.iam really sorry with what you are going through peep.keep your head up man,an may your winners be yours.

[Peep]

Lou from SBR too, besides the list posted.

I don't have any requests outstanding at the moment, I am just playing out of my balance. Hopefully they have money and are just being stupid about it. If not, I get stiffed for the $2900 I still have in there along with the rest of you.

I haven't asked for the $2900 so no bitch here at the moment. We'll see what this next week brings. I think they have to move on it one way or the other. Looks to me like they owe under 30K, that should be managable for even the rinkiest book.

[futbol]

If they dont start coming out with answers next week we should all start separate threads ripping into bet911..that seems to be the only way to get anywhere with them..

[Peep]

If they dont start coming out with answers next week we should all start separate threads ripping into bet911..that seems to be the only way to get anywhere with them..

Or at least keep bumping ones we have going.

I have a vested interest in seeing everyone get paid too, I still have my $2000 plus in there. If you guys have trouble getting paid, I might well second go around too.

I think we all will get paid, and I think SBR's contacts there will help. They just bumped the book from C- to C or C to C+ in March, they most always are in communication with a book when this happens.

[Marginalis]

I enjoy reading Peeps posts i have respect for Peep, but i have no respect for the way he handled this situation, how the fvck can anyone who just had to put out thread after thread at a minimum of 3 sites looking for help in getting his money from them, come back the next day, saying all is wonderfull and i will keep playing there, for fvck sakes yesterday he was calling them a deposit only book.

Who calls a place all the things peep said then come back the next day the way he did, usually someone who has been compromised in some way.

example.... will pay you now, just say good things about us in your next few posts, something along those lines.

To be fair to Peep i would have probably done the same to get my scratch, but i would never play there again.but i see Peep really wants lines AT -107.

[kazuc]

If they dont start coming out with answers next week we should all start separate threads ripping into bet911..that seems to be the only way to get anywhere with them..

And if they are just having temporary cash flow problems, that's a good way to blow it out of proportion and put them in a position where they really can't pay anyone. I have a B911 account too, and of course I have some worries. But ripping into books too quickly is a good way to make the problem worse, much better. For every book that goes broke and stiff people, there are multiple others who eventually work things out. If you really have no patience and have to get paid immediately, you should really stick to A-rated books. Of course there's a chance B911 or any small book can run into serious trouble, but panicking doesn't help.

[Peep]

Do they owe you money Kazac?

And have they promised you will be the first to be paid next weeik?

[kazuc]

Peep- Yes, they owe me money. But no, I don't have a withdraw promised for next week. My point is that making a lot of noise worked for you, and it will work for a selected few people. But if a book is having temporary problems, that isn't going to help a LOT of people. More often than not, these books survive these short-term problems. Sometimes they don't. But yelling "fire" prematurely can push a book to the point of no return. Believe me, I want everyone to get paid, and I have more money on B911 than a lot of the people in this thread. And if they truly have no money and can't get anymore money, which I hope and don't believe is the case, not all the crying in the world is going to change that.

[dark star]

And if they are just having temporary cash flow problems, that's a good way to blow it out of proportion and put them in a position where they really can't pay anyone. I have a B911 account too, and of course I have some worries. But ripping into books too quickly is a good way to make the problem worse, much better. For every book that goes broke and stiff people, there are multiple others who eventually work things out. If you really have no patience and have to get paid immediately, you should really stick to A-rated books. Of course there's a chance B911 or any small book can run into serious trouble, but panicking doesn't help.

Stick to books that are rated A- or better huh...guess I should close my Heritage account then LOL.

These rating are ok,but there are instances that a B book (Heritage) is better than any of these so called "A" books

[Peep]

Peep- Yes, they owe me money. But no, I don't have a withdraw promised for next week. My point is that making a lot of noise worked for you, and it will work for a selected few people. But if a book is having temporary problems, that isn't going to help a LOT of people. More often than not, these books survive these short-term problems. Sometimes they don't. But yelling "fire" prematurely can push a book to the point of no return. Believe me, I want everyone to get paid, and I have more money on B911 than a lot of the people in this thread. And if they truly have no money and can't get anymore money, which I hope and don't believe is the case, not all the crying in the world is going to change that.

Thanks for the post back kazuc.

I figured they owned you money.

Me too. And like you, I don't have a withdrawal promised next week. Or one pending, for that matter.

If a book can't pay their obligations, they should suspend deposits until they can. And I am happy to do my bit to warn people about the perils of posting up there (regardless of whether or not this helps me get paid).

I never blame anyone who is owed for making all the noise that can. It is after all their money that is supposed to be held in trust, they have a right to it upon demand.

Hopefully Bet911 will right the ship this week. As I said, I have enjoyed playing there for the last year, hope to be able to continue doing so.

[robertg]

They paid Peep to shut him up,and stop the bleeding.

Peep, yeasterday these guys were blatantly lieing to you, they forced you to file a complaint with SBR,they forced you to be ready to accept .90 cents on the dollar from OSU at EOG,you were ranting how the money was yours and should be available on demand, yet now your 100% content with recieving a third of what you wanted.

Then you pull a trick out of Ken Weitzners(RIP) bag of tricks by anouncing to the masses that all is well with 911 and you will continue playing their(ALL THATS MISSING IS THE GAURANTEE THAT KEN LIKED TO ISSUE)

This carries alot of weight since you are a well respected guy in this industry,almost a miracle how things got resolved while you were sleeping, yet the poor guy BT72(POST31) his account number is a 1000 units behind you, but thats ok, because you got your piece, which im happy about.

Yesterday you were yelling for there banner to be removed from EOG, SHOULD IT NOW REMAIN THERE?

Im dumbfounded as to how this quote of yours from yesterday ``stay away stay far away``went from that to I`m playing there again, this, at the expense of those who are being slow paid and perhaps not to get paid,and the newbies who may sign up with this rats ass of a bookmaker.

I guess its time to put Swinging Johnsons picks to work, his picks get sent to your bet911 account,bet the other side at a reputable book,and you should have your remaining account balance go from Bet911 to the reputable book in no time at all.

For the record im happy you got a piece of what was owed you, now lets cross are fingers for the regular Joes who are still fighting to get there money out of this dump.

100 percent true. great post. it also proves Peep is human. we (MOST ANYWAY) employ situational ethics when it is financially advantageous. not excusing pimping a shit book, but i understand and it seems PEEPS tone may have changed as the thread progressed. im glad you got paid, but it certainly seems one would be foolish to post-up there?!

[Peep]

Thanks for posting in the thread Robert. Appreciated.

How many guys do you have as outstanding creditors now? Five? Ten?

You should have ZERO. Players should be paid on demand, it is their money. I have recommended Bet911 (even put them in the top three books here one vote) in the past because you always paid same day. Why on earth would you change this policy???? It was the one thing that separated you from the other "C/D type" books.

Some of these poor bastards having been waiting for three weeks for a payment.

That is not acceptable bookmaking. At least not in my world. Do you think it is fair that players that are NOT UNDER INVESTIGATION should have to wait three weeks for payment?

Await your reply.

[Peep]

As to you sactioning Al's post and hence calling me a "player who pulls a trick out of Weitzner's bag of tricks" because I want to get paid back my own money, uh no. I POSTED UP WITH YOU. I AM ENTITLED TO HAVE MY FUNDS UPON DEMAND. It is not your money. It is MY money, held in trust.

Do you agree?

Since I have "passed security clearance", I am putting in for another withdrawal of $1500 moneybookers right now. I am done with your book. I don't need the manager of a sportsbook telling me that I am "using a bag of tricks" when all I want to do is get my own money back that I am owed.

This is not the sort of sportsbook I want to play at.

Do you have an excuse about why you can't pay me my balance, starting with the $1500 requested? If so, let's get it out there.......

If not, thank you for the payment.

[BigDaddy]

Thanks for posting in the thread Robert. Appreciated.

How many guys do you have as outstanding creditors now? Five? Ten?

You should have ZERO. Players should be paid on demand, it is their money. I have recommended Bet911 (even put them in the top three books here one vote) in the past because you always paid same day. Why on earth would you change this policy???? It was the one thing that separated you from the other "C/D type" books.

Some of these poor bastards having been waiting for three weeks for a payment.

That is not acceptable bookmaking. At least not in my world. Do you think it is fair that players that are NOT UNDER INVESTIGATION should have to wait three weeks for payment?

Await your reply.

Peep i don't think poster robertg is any part of bet911 is he?

looking at all his other posts i sure hope he isn't.

i see he has put you on tilt though and demanding another payout

[Peep]

Ouch Big Daddy.

"Never assume". Thought it was the "Robert of Bet911".

My bad. Couldn't understand why Robert of Bet 911 would come in and trash me, WTF, I am just a player.

Oh well, life goes on.

[robertg]

i'm not afilliated w/any book and i wasn't try to trash you...didn't think i did?

[Peep]

Oh, your post was OK Robert.

I just thought it was from the book, from them it would not have been any way to address a customer. My bad.

[midnight777]

I guarantee Bet911 will have problems paying people when NFL picks up.... this book is doomed....

[M@ximo]

low season is a time for the books to hold the money on their account so they can get to the high season with good money.., that is why they always come up with great stories (or stupid ideas) of why they can't send the money ASAP. Every season i've seen complains about these kind of things, and the worse part is that we as customers are always the ones who pays for the stupid desitions they make....