I have a friend who made two bets at Blowdog for this weekends Zurich Classic. The two bets were on Poulter and Stricker 'to win' the event and at last minute they both withdrew and per Bodog the funds will not be refunded and treated as two losers. Ive never made a bet outside of MLB, Hoops and Football but is this common for books to do this? Does he has a case here or is it his problem for chosing such a poor book. I'll wait for responses.
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Not common at any of the UK bookies, which I use for golf betting. Such bets are treated as void, and the bet refunded. Only if the player tees off ans then withdraws (eg. through injury, personal reasons) would a bet on them to win outright be graded as a loss.Comment -
I pulled up Bodog's rules. Unfortunately it auto-directs me to their crappy UK site, but it's also void if the player doesn't tee off: https://www.bodog.co.uk/bodog-help/s...fic-rules.html
Outright Betting: Non-Starter - No bet. If a player tees off, then that player will count as a runner. If that player subsequently retires he will be settled as a loser.
Would they really have different rules for different jurisdictions? What exactly do their US-facing rules say?Comment -
Generally these are considered 'futures bets' and non-starting players and losing players are treated the same.
It also states right on the exact bet you made that "All wagers have Action. Singles Only. No Refunds."
The golf rules also state:
- All wagers in regards to out rights are action regardless of whether a person tees off.
- All wagers in regards to out rights are action regardless of whether a person tees off in any head-to-head matchups.
- If a tournament is shortened or otherwise affected, the official result will be used when settling bets, regardless of the number of rounds played.
- A tournament must be completed within seven days of its start for bets to have action.
- For PGA head-to-head bets, the player who completes the most holes will be declared the winner. If both players complete the same number of holes, the player with the best score relative to par will be declared the winner. Both players must tee off for bets to have action.
- For PGA 3 ball bets, the player in the group of three players who has the lowest score in the first round will be declared the winner. All three players must tee off for bets to have action. If two or more players tie for the win, all wagers will be graded "Push". You can't include 3 ball bets in parlays.
- The Field option, in a given list of odds featuring players' names, represents all other players not specifically listed who are competing in the event. If a player in the field wins, the field is declared the winner for wagering purposes.
- If a player is disqualified for any reason after a round is completed, all wagers on said round will be settled as a loss for that player.
- The Dead Heat rule - when you have a multi-outcome prop or event where two winners tie. If a "dead-heat" is declared on any event, half the stake is applied to the selection at the full odds and the other half is lost. If more than two "dead-heat", the stake is proportioned accordingly. (Not including sports where you can wager on the draw or tie option i.e. soccer.)
So, I believe you caught a bad break, and are out of luck on this one.Comment -
So Bodog has different rules depending on the location of the bettor, ie. depending on which one of their sites they auto-direct the bettor to?Comment -
Yeah. .com .co.uk .ca .sexypronz .etcetc are all somewhat seperate entities under the Bodog Brand. I'm sure Bodog Becky can elaborate, though it does suck fat dicks there is no internal congruency.Comment -
Withdraw all funds and tell any of your friends to withdraw also.
This is flat out unacceptable and is an example of a book taking advantage of a player and stealing money through technical B.S.Comment -
Many of solid books that do not pull this crap and have much better lines!!!!
Any catch 22's should be listed on the board when you bet, you should not have to read through 5 pages of fine print.
If a pitcher gets pulled before a baseball game all plays are cancelled, there is absolutely no reason for this rule to be different in golf. A bettor is placing a bet on how well an athlete will play in the tournament, not whether or not he will play.
YOUR BOOK IS GARBAGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Comment -
Read Rule#2 !!
Imagine a book has Tiger at evens to win the tournament and is laying 10/1 the second favourite.
Tiger withdraws. Is it fair that the book has laid the new favourite at 10/1 when he is a 9/2 chance with Tiger out?
All in betting is standard practice in ante-post race betting. Golf tournaments are not really that different. Baseball games are very different.Comment -
They state the rules clearly. Just because you and your friend don't read the rules BEFORE placing a bet, doesn't mean the rules are unfair.Comment -
its the right ruleComment -
Their US site rules say: "All wagers in regards to out rights are action regardless of whether a person tees off." But while they're correct in canceling the wager, why in the world would they have different rules for UK bettors betting the same match vs US bettors betting that match?Comment -
Golf??????????Comment -
whyComment -
There are currently four Bodog Brand licensees:
-Bodog.com which is owned and operated by MMGG out of Kahnawake and caters to the US market.
-Bodog.co.uk and Bodog.ca which are owned and operated by Bodog Europe out of Antigua and caters to the European and Canadian market, respectively.
-Bodog88.com which is owned and operated by Haydock out of Manila and caters to the Asian Market.
-Bodog Network, a new poker network which will be launched later this year
Part of Calvin's role as the franchiser is to ensure brand consistency amongst all the Bodog Brand licensees, but each licensee is owned and operated independently from the others. This is why you see different rules depending on your location and the licensee on which you are playing.
Hope this makes some sense to you, and if not, PM me!
BeckyComment -
Hey Becky,
Why is it that on all golf and future horse racing lines 5dimes, Bookmaker, and The Greek all clearly list.... "wager has action regardless if horse runs"... where as Bodog lists......"all wagers have action".....?????????????
WTF is this horse shit? why is it so difficult for you guys to specify what the hell "all wagers have action" means to the recreational players?????
This is clearly taking advantage of unknowing players and a solid book would never pull this crap!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Comment -
I meant it the opposite way, why would they use different rules for their US brand when the vast majority of US bettors live in places where gambling is illegal hence they aren't used to anything. It sounds like they're trying to rip off unsuspecting US bettors by putting in a different rule for them, and is just another shit practice by Bodog.Comment -
I'm quite surprised by the US-facing rule, and will make sure not to make any bets on outrights in golf tournaments at US-facing books. Sorry for the tough break, OP.Comment -
The vast majority of US sports betting exists outside of Las Vegas, but more importantly, the huge difference between Vegas and the offshores is that in Vegas, all tickets go as written. If Vegas flip flops the dog and the favorite and you bet the favorite at +8 instead of -8, by gaming commission rules they have to pay out your winnings, whereas almost any offshore book would cancel your bet after they notice their error. So if a book is going to say their standards are Vegas rules, they should also never cancel bets claiming "bad line," "obvious typo," etc, but every offshore book I've ever used will cancel obvious errors.Comment -
Ok guys- I have spoken with the appropriate individuals from my side and here is what I've got for you:
1)Actionbrett, can you please PM me your friend's account information so I can have a senior manager contact him/her and resolve this situation?
2)The Bodog brand licensees are going to amend their rules so that they all follow the example set by Bodog.co.uk- this means all Golf wagers in the future on player(s) that do not start will be void with stakes refunded.
3)As a reminder, when problems like this arise in the future, please PM me with the details- the resolution should be quicker that way!
BeckyComment -
Excellent news re. 2), Becky, which strikes me as a pro-player response to the rule differences across the brand.Comment
