[lonnie55]

Known incidents before June 2019:

#1 at ?* - 1300 was one bet

Known incidents since June 2019:

#2 at ?* - 1900 was 700 x 2 and 500
#3 at 1bet - 1500 was 750 x 2
#4 at Babibet - 650 was one bet
#5 at 18bet - 6600 was 1100 x 6
#6 at 18bet - 9000 was 4500 x 2
#7 at 1bet - 10242 was 8 bets 690, 940, 725, 1250, 2475, 2500, 850, 812
#8 at Babibet - 3185 was 5 bets 735, 890 and 520 x 3
more to come

This makes it 33,077 EUR in the last 8-10 weeks.


Screenshots of the losing fake bets as far as available:













*complaints submitted to SBR but not shared in the forum

[Ruifgalmeida]

WTF, why wouldn't they tried to make withdrawal, instead of fake bets?
What did the books said?

[lonnie55]

???

What are you talking about? Did you actually read the other threads?

[lonnie55]

Oh, now I understand what you meant. This is no real hacking scandal. That's why I put it in quotation marks.

The bookies placed the fake bets themselves when the players made a withdrawal request.

It's been always the same scheme so far.

[tippeo]

And all the bets were loosing bets (at least in my case 13bets).

That's why the bets were most probably never placed, but were added to the system later.

[lonnie55]

And all the bets were loosing bets (at least in my case 13bets).

That's why the bets were most probably never placed, but were added to the system later.

Most definitely. In total 27 bets have been added and 27 of which have lost. This can't be a coincidence.

[Ruifgalmeida]

Haven't read the others treads , sorry to hear about this guys, hope you get the money back, I thought that 18bet was decent, the offshore industry is getting worst every day.

[slayer8888]

Crazy, crazy, crazy. This is just becoming ridiculous with these "unregulated" books.

Keep us updated, hope you get your funds back

[jtoler]

very sad y arnt these books blacklisted

[lonnie55]

I'm not affected, slayer, I just gathered the information from the other threads. Every single case beside #1 and 2 are linked. Click on the number to get to the relevant forum post.

[Optional]

That first case is from late last year Lonnie.

I think October but will check later on.

[lonnie55]

@Optional, I edited the opening post

[Motorhead11]

Wtf. 18bet and sister sites were used to be trrusted ones. Don't understand what they are doing. Wandering how trusted is PremiumTradings reading all this stuff

[infotimbo]

That first case is from late last year Lonnie.
I think October but will check later on.

so it keeps on happening for almost a year now. No idea how cooperative they act in the background, but by the look of it, no one has got his money back yet - wouldn't it be about time for an official warning on the main page, and a severe downgrade of 1bet (currently C+)?

[Tom R.]

Interesting, someone had successfully withdrawals for last 2-3 month?

In July I had withdrawals from 18bet (500 euro), but that was 'mine' money (from deposit)...

[lonnie55]

Interesting, someone had successfully withdrawals for last 2-3 month?

In July I had withdrawals from 18bet (500 euro), but that was 'mine' money (from deposit)...

Made one in May, June and July (2k each) and will do the next on Sunday or Monday

I already thought about auto-refresh the betting history and video capture it for the time I am AFK. I would love to capture how 18bet adds losing bets after a match is over...

/ The problem is 18bet does an automatic log-out after a while, so I would have to create a macro for a re-login

[tippeo]

Until the end of June everything went as usual (one mentioned exception in October from another user).

The withdrawal requests were processed quickly and the e-mails were also answered on time.

I was withdrawing money on a regular, monthly basis over a year without any problems. (21 x 1000 Euro last 365days).

But then the situation changed (In my case):


18.06 last regular bank transfer from 1Bet without problems.

08.07 Withdrawal Request at Babibet-> asking for Selfie with ID, which I sent them immediately.

24.07 After repeated asking from me (e-mail + live chat) and unsatisfied, very slow replies -> Selfie accepted

25.07 New Withdrawal Request at 1Bet.

26.07 last regular bank transfer from Babibet.

26.07 1Bet asking for a notarized identity verification and cancelled the request.

05.08 I sent them the notarized proof of identification.

14.08 No further replies from 1Bet, I request a new withdrawal.

17.08 Last sport bets placed by me.

18.08 Withdrawal request on 1Bet has been cancelled.

18.08/19.08 Loosing fake bets were added to the system on 1Bet and Babibet -> 13 427 Euro loos ​(whole balance)


Both now claim that these bets were placed by myself!

[megapoxy]

Interesting, someone had successfully withdrawals for last 2-3 month?

In July I had withdrawals from 18bet (500 euro), but that was 'mine' money (from deposit)...

I asked for a withdrawal at 12th of August for 5000 euros, usually they were always fast and money would come in some hours (via Skrill) but nothing was happening. Talked to support 3-4 days later and the guy told me that he would contact the Financial Department that would send me an email if there was anything (I had rejected withdrawal earlier this month because of fees, having made another withdrawal the last 30 days). Still there was no email or any kind of contact so I talked again with the support (both times Carl L was on customer service duty) told him that a week had passed (that was yesterday morning) and nothing happened...he told me the same thing emphasizing that he will put pressure for my case to be solved fast, couple of hours later the withdrawal took place.

At night I entered the sbr forum to see if anyone had similar issues with delays and I saw the whole "losing bets" phenomenon, luckily I hadn't seen it before.

For lonnie that seems to be an active user (using it like bet365 for exotic leagues etc), they have become worse, no they allow 2-3 bets per match in "exotic" leagues either pregame or in play, and later on (I don't know if it is for all users or only for the user that took the bets) even though there are odds available, if you try to take on bets it says "odds not available". Even if the match will be offered "live" later on the same thing, and sometimes in matches that appear only "in play" (not available pregame) the "max profit allowed to be earned" now is at 20 euros (used to be 100) and I mean the ones that bet365 has at the same time (and no Asian bookie).
https://prnt.sc/ov6e6z

[dunyto]

I know my case is mere peanuts compared to the thousands of €€€ lost by tippeo, lonnie55 and others, but I was swindled recently by 1Bet as well.

https://imgur.com/t14kqOG

The pic above is of what 1Bet has made it look like. In reality, I made a bet on Corners 1X2 (my bet was on the away team having the most corners). I actually won the bet (corners ended something like 2:8), but 1bet changed my bet so that it says 2 (Win for the away team - they lost 5:1). And so my eventual 250€ went down the drain.
I of course confronted them in the support chat, but they (naturally) said, I bet on the away team to win. And because I cannot prove what I really bet on, I had to take the loss.

I only regret I haven't seen this tread sooner.

[Motorhead11]

I asked for a withdrawal at 12th of August for 5000 euros, usually they were always fast and money would come in some hours (via Skrill) but nothing was happening. Talked to support 3-4 days later and the guy told me that he would contact the Financial Department that would send me an email if there was anything (I had rejected withdrawal earlier this month because of fees, having made another withdrawal the last 30 days). Still there was no email or any kind of contact so I talked again with the support (both times Carl L was on customer service duty) told him that a week had passed (that was yesterday morning) and nothing happened...he told me the same thing emphasizing that he will put pressure for my case to be solved fast, couple of hours later the withdrawal took place.

At night I entered the sbr forum to see if anyone had similar issues with delays and I saw the whole "losing bets" phenomenon, luckily I hadn't seen it before.



For lonnie that seems to be an active user (using it like bet365 for exotic leagues etc), they have become worse, no they allow 2-3 bets per match in "exotic" leagues either pregame or in play, and later on (I don't know if it is for all users or only for the user that took the bets) even though there are odds available, if you try to take on bets it says "odds not available". Even if the match will be offered "live" later on the same thing, and sometimes in matches that appear only "in play" (not available pregame) the "max profit allowed to be earned" now is at 20 euros (used to be 100) and I mean the ones that bet365 has at the same time (and no Asian bookie).
https://prnt.sc/ov6e6z

Account directly via 18bet or via PremiumTradings?

[Motorhead11]

Btw 1bet/babibet/18bet weren't operated by Bellona L.V company? Just checked and 18bet is now running by Shark 77 Limited and babibet by Sprint Technologies. Only 1bet seems to be still running by bellona

[Alfie White]

18bet

https://i.imgur.com/HhnhgUw.png

PT

https://i.imgur.com/dnt9yF1.png

1bet

https://i.imgur.com/k5KfVcE.png

Babibet

https://i.imgur.com/qw9jjae.png


It seems that same code is behind all/most licenses - 8048. Which, to me, means that same "parent" company is behind it all. Somebody asked about PT, just check this thread - https://www.sportsbookreview.com/for...e-66k-87k.html lot of BS there. They took PT on a customers' accounts and eventually refused to pay him back + have introduced "50,000 EUR daily winning limit" to all customers. Bunch of crooks.

[lonnie55]

18bet

https://i.imgur.com/HhnhgUw.png

Must be old. 18bet has been licensed at MGA for quite a while: https://www.authorisation.mga.org.mt...c329&details=1

[Alfie White]

Probably, but type in "18bet bellona" in google, you will find their links with info still displayed on their site. Shark77 must be their Malta entity for MGA (or something similar).

[moojoo]

Maybe you really mistype. Do you really expect odds to be 11.5 for corners?Why dont make screenshots of your bets.
I really doubt they would do such a stunt for 22e bet.

P.s its incredible how few of cases have same bets that lost eventually.

[Roku]

Is it still safe to bet through premiumtradings bet broker tool? They use same lines and I hope they care about their rep more than those bookies.

[lonnie55]

Probably, but type in "18bet bellona" in google, you will find their links with info still displayed on their site. Shark77 must be their Malta entity for MGA (or something similar).

But the license is not active anymore because you cannot click on the seal logo. There is no hyperlink to the validation page.

[tippeo]

Update amd summary of my case:

1Bet and Babibet are still claim, that the one withdrawal request (at 1bet) was cancelled by me and the fake bets were also placed by my side.

They also told me, that the checked my recent account's activity and didn't find anything suspicious, no breaches were located, neither any abnormal records were found.

In case I am not the one who actually did all these things, they advise me to change my password as it's most likely been hacked.

As confirmation, they sent me the recorded IP logs from the relevant time (See file below from 1Bet, Babibet sent me the relevant time without screenshot via mail).

I also checked the IP logs of my router (unfortunately I didn't have the complete history anymore, only the time of the last fake bet).

I wasn't home at the time in question, but as you can see the IP log from my router doesn't match with their records.

IP log router : 217.231.43.141 (19.08.19 03:09:56 GMT+2:00 --> 01:09:56 GMT)

IP log 1bet : 62.225.200.230 (19.08.19 04:05:55 GMT+1:00 --> 03:05:55 GMT)

IP log babibet: 62.225.200.230 (19.08.19 05:08:XX GMT+2:00 --> 03:08:XX GMT)




In additional, it is extremely unlikely to have 13 loosing bets in a row, the probability (calculated with odds of 2) for this is just 0,012 %.

If the other known cases are included in the calculation, the whole scenario becomes even more improbable.

27 loosing bets in a row can't be a coincidence, als lonnie55 already mentioned.

The withdrawal request about the remaining balance on babibet (40Euro) was processed now in a very short period without any problems.

Does anyone here have a suggestion as to how I might further proceed here?

@Optional I haven't received any answer from you yet, after i send you the details in Sportsbook Complaint form, have you recieved my information?

[Optional]

@Optional [/B]I haven't received any answer from you yet, after i send you the details in Sportsbook Complaint form, have you recieved my information?

Your complaint form will be allocated to a dispute agent who will contact you directly by email.

If you don't hear from someone in the next 48 hours please shoot me a PM message.

[lonnie55]

/ obsolete

[Alfie White]

He might have dynamic, but it is a fact that his IP give certain range of IPs (217.231...). Tippeo, please use some ip check tool and see which provider gives that IP range they have advised has been used.

It can easily be some VPN service as they look to be fkin amateurs.

[lonnie55]

So your IP at that time was 62.225.220.187 and 1bet and Babibet say 62.225.200.230. Last figures stand for another device, right?

At what time did the IP change to 217.231.43.141 according to 1bet/Babibet?

[Optional]

All the IPs mentioned above are registered to Deutsche Telekom AG

[Optional]

Here is some geolocation data for the two main IPs mentioned.

As you can see, different databases give different results, suggesting these are ISP pool IPs that are shared around dynamically.

This is the router reported IP




This is the IP the book says the bet was placed from

[Optional]

In each of these cases SBR is being given the same convincing looking evidence.

Don't get caught up too much arguing about their IP data. The evidence they are coming up with is not technically disputable.

It's just the pattern happening with multiple seemingly non-connected players that is making it obvious.