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03-06-19 05:31 AM #1
1xbet and their sister-sites
Last edited by lonnie55; 03-06-19 at 12:01 PM.
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03-06-19 11:30 AM #2
biggest scam book in world
stealing millions per year from players
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03-06-19 11:52 AM #3
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03-06-19 08:19 PM #4
but are this sites really from 1xbet company? Or just using the same software?
Originally Posted by lonnie55
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03-07-19 03:27 AM #5
Maybe different owners but all of them are White Labels using the same criminal methods to screw players Originally Posted by Ruifgalmeida
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03-07-19 04:38 AM #6
Shocking. Thanks for that list lonnie. I hope people start Googling to find info about a book instead of just being lured in by bonuses and whatever else. That's how rubbish like this keep getting away with taking money and not paying out!
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03-11-19 03:43 AM #7
1xbet made changes to the Terms and Conditions behind my back, just so they can steal my money!
My father and I had our own accounts, and that was ok by the 1xBet's General Terms as my father and I don't live in the same household, we even don't live in the same city.
Before they made changes behind my back, the Clause 31 of their General Terms said: "Each registered customer may have only one account. Regarding registration on the website this rule applies to one household, one address, one email address, one credit/debit card or one IP-address. The bookmaker administration reserves the right to request certain personal details from the customer (passport details, registered place of residence) as well as a video-conference. The user gets the results withing 5 working days after video call ends."
After they decided to steal my money and I started asking questions, they replaced the word "household" by the word "family". Well, it's 1Xbet we are talking about, so of course, they did that without any notification.
So the same Clause now says: "Each registered customer may have only one account. Customers may register only one account per family, address, e-mail address, IP address, credit/debit card, e-wallet or electronic payment method. Persons otherwise associated with a customer will not be allowed to register on the website. The bookmaker administration reserves the right to request certain personal details from the customer (passport details, registered place of residence) as well as a video-conference. The user gets the results within 5 working days after video call ends."
As you can see, many changes were made to that Clause, without a SINGLE NOTIFICATION.
By changing the General Terms behind customer's back, they broke the Clause 23. of their own General Terms.
Clause 23. of the General Terms: "Should these Rules be amended, customers shall be notified accordingly. Bets accepted after the specified date shall be subject to the amended Rules. Earlier bets shall remain unchanged."
After they made this change, they just said that by saying that the person in question is my father, I confirmed that I broke this rule. I repeat, the previous version of the Clause 31 of the General Terms said that the registration is limited to one household, which was not my case, so they simply adjusted their General Terms to make me guilty and steal my 1450€.
This is how they explained their dirty move:
"Dear Sir,
Please be informed that the essence of the rule is unchanged and has not changed. Only a translation adjustment was made.
Best regards,
Tikhonov Aleksandr, Security Service Chief Officer "
They robbed me using one of their illegal tricks.
I advise everyone to periodically read the key Clauses of their General Terms, even if you don't have any problems with 1Xbet at the moment, as they are changing them depending on the cases where they can steal their customer's money. I never got any information that this change was made.
Good luck to everyone with them! Take your money while you still can.
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08-06-19 08:22 AM #8
Mostbet can be added Originally Posted by lonnie55
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08-06-19 10:31 AM #9
In Spain, the brand will be operated through a Spanish company linked to the world of television and content production, leader in the audovisual market.
name Mediapro
Here, they won't be able to do what they do like in other places/countries
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08-06-19 11:23 AM #10
I do not know if they are capable of change. Originally Posted by tingasdt
Watching how they respond to Spanish rules might be interesting though.
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08-06-19 11:33 AM #11
In Spain, the issue of abuse, recalculation odds and limits winning players ... have already received second instance sentences giving the players the reason. Originally Posted by Optional
Although this does not indicate that the operators have corrected their bad habits.
But for example, there are limitations on winners, there are 3 recent sentences March 2019 (2) July 2019 (1) forcing bet 365 to lift restriction on winning players.
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08-06-19 11:36 AM #12
Please keep us updated on Spanish 1xbet news Originally Posted by tingasdt
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08-06-19 11:41 AM #13
This is even more interesting. Originally Posted by tingasdt
Can you tell more about it? Links to relevant sources?
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08-06-19 12:14 PM #14
Well, I don’t know to what extent I can use this forum to post links without being considered spam ... but if I have permission from a moderator, I have no problem in sharing how the matter is in Spain. Originally Posted by lonnie55
I feel that my English is not perfect (google translator) but I have a lot of experience in gaming and deep knowledge of the sector at the legal level, regulation and offer of games in Spain.
Our regulation is officially 7 years old ... but it has already gone through several confrontations of players vs bookies in court ... with the majority of the reason for players ... the last thing has been this year with the recent sentences that endorse as abusive the discriminate against winning players .. the three sentences against 365
page Spanish jurisprudence page
http://www.poderjudicial.es/search/indexAN.jsp
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08-08-19 01:29 AM #15
That is pretty cool. Originally Posted by tingasdt
But seems a bit unfair tbh. If they don't want to take bets from a player, should they really be forced to?
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08-08-19 01:31 AM #16
Jesus! I didn't realise the list was so big! Originally Posted by lonnie55
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08-08-19 04:43 AM #17
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08-08-19 07:40 AM #18
i feel like i want to vomit....
every month, new sister site and partnership.
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08-08-19 08:22 AM #19
The opposite is true. Originally Posted by KittiP
It's unfair that a book welcomes losing players (= more than 99.8% of the players) but kicks out only the winning players (= less than 0.2% of the players).
As I said in a previous post:
In my opinion, it is unjustifiable that a bookmaker rolls out the red carpet to problem gamblers whilst sharps getting banned at the earliest possible opportunity. This is cream-skimming. Sportsbooks, even non-offshore ones, refer to the freedom of contract. I firmly believe that gambling must be seen as a separate business sector for which ordinary business principles are not one-to-one applicable. For example, if a pub owner kicks out a customer, only the the pub owner will suffer economic damage. It's his good right to make business with whomever he wants to. This legal logic does not work in the gambling sector. Gambling is not an industry where a value added is created. There will never be a win-win situation, but only a win-lose or a lose-win situation, so either the customer wins and the bookmaker loses or the customer loses and the bookmaker wins. It's only a movement of money. Too laxly regulated gambling has the result that the bookmaker can virtually define his own profit. He is given the freedom to eliminate all risk factors (=sharps), while he can squeeze the profitable factors (=problem gamblers) down to the last cent. Business economists call it profit maximization. Profit maximization in the special case of gambling means a discrimination against a certain group of customers.
The example of bet365 where the CEO pays herself a $300M paycheck shows that cream-skimming leads to exploding profits for the sportsbooks. By giving sportsbooks the power to exclude sharps from the legal betting offer the legislator consequently pushes the sharps back into the illegal gambling market. In order to ensure equal treatment of all the players we need both a loss limit for problem gamblers but also a minimum bet rule for sharps (obligation to contract).Nomination(s):This post was nominated 4 times . To view the nominated thread please click here. People who nominated: Alfa1234, craftbrewer, swordsandtequila, and dunyto
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08-08-19 10:04 AM #20
Everywhere you see discrimination against winning customers. In casinos too,so i dont see a problem there. They dont welcome you,you go across the street etc...
Counting cards is not illegal,but when they catch you,they show you doors.
If they welcome winning players with open hands,they would go down the drain as betisland did and many more in history. For you it is better if they denied your business,than running away with your funds.
Im not talking about 1xbet in my post,they are known crooks.Points Awarded:
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08-08-19 10:26 AM #21
@moojoo I'm specifically talking about online sports betting, can't say anything about offline Black Jack or other games. It's an untenable assertion that a sportsbook stops being profitable if it implements a minimum bet rule for winning players, e.g. 50 or 100 EUR per bet. Don't say they have to offer a winning player same limits like to anyone else.
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08-08-19 10:51 AM #22
With all those international connection 1xbet must be just part of something much bigger.........
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08-08-19 11:02 AM #23
If I'm not wrong there is a big difference between sister-sites and bookies sites that bought the same software to run their business. I do not think this sites are connected with each other as a part of 1xbet business. They have absolutely different strategies on the market as well
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08-08-19 11:10 AM #24
If they use the same support, and follow the same KYC procedure, they should be on this list whoever owns them I think. Originally Posted by paulll
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08-08-19 11:18 AM #25
22bet, fan-sport and 1xbit Originally Posted by paulll
- asked me for a hundred documents including selfies with this and that in the background - 1XBET METHODS
- retroactively voided all of my bets when I made a withdrawal request without explaining why - 1XBET METHODS
I heard about similiar cases concerning 22bet, melbet, betwinner, betandyou
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08-08-19 11:31 AM #26
I Did my research and found this
https://www.satisfyrecruitmentservices.co.uk/ after redirected me to mrxbet
Another clone?
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08-08-19 11:53 AM #27
No, MrXbet is a direct clone of Exclusivebet which uses the EveryMatrix software. These sites even share the same login data of customers which means you can log into MrXbet by using the login credentials of Exclusivebet Originally Posted by piterp
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08-08-19 12:09 PM #28
Interesting because this website https://www.satisfyrecruitmentservices.co.uk is very clear about 1xbet only
so why they redirected to mrxbet if they are not connected?
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08-08-19 02:13 PM #29
No idea, because it's a shitty website? Originally Posted by piterp
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08-08-19 06:13 PM #30
Like for me the same people behind I dont belive in random website or random redirect to different website
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08-08-19 08:43 PM #31
Scam after scam after scam, right? Originally Posted by LAbra2k
Makes me sick too.
I actually almost signed up to 1xBet before and I can without any doubt say that if I did, it would be like throwing money down the toilet.
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08-08-19 08:57 PM #32
Hahaa I thought my post would spark a little debate. Originally Posted by lonnie55
Completely agree with you and am happy someone said it.
These bookmakers should make their money on the spread between their odds, i.e take action on all sides and hedge themselves out while taking the bets.
I get that some do directional trading too (or whatever name you want to use for it)
I can see that it is hard for them to do that on tiny events with no liquidity, but then again, they have such wide spreads on these that they should be able to cover themselves. If not, they 1 - shouldn't offer those odds or 2 - reduce the limits for those bets for EVERYONE.
They shouldn't have a problem with people who win, if those players bet on big high liquidity games, because they should have made money on those games overall. So being a winning player shouldn't affect them.
They should more not like players that get good value for every bet that they place, especially bets placed on tiny markets. But then again that is their own fault for offering those bets and accepting them....it's a part of the business that they are in.
Of course this doesn't justify the extent that these bookmakers go to steal money.
Stealing money from a poker player or a player in the casino is just ridiculous for obvious reason.
They have a positive ev in the casino and if all players bet small they could expect not to big deviations from the expected line of profit, I expect that is why they have limits on tables etc. So no reason to not like casino players, unless they are bonus abusing.
Poker is the same but to a even bigger level. The firm only gets the rake from them, so should like literally everything that the poker player does, the bigger the bets the better.
Surprising how we hardly ever see complaints on here from exchanges stealing money, isn't it?
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08-14-19 02:53 PM #33
The Times in the UK has done another expose, this time on 1xbet and as a result their UK facing website uk-1xbet.com has been shut down and the UKGC are investigating.
Apparently UKGC were shocked for the Times to tell them that 1xbet offered cockfight betting, under 19 age sports betting, advertised on illegal video streaming sites and operated a topless casino.
I wonder how that escaped their licensee vetting process. Not really any secrets there.
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/p...firm-sdvw0nwfp
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08-14-19 03:40 PM #34
And on top of that all these articles do not ever mention the hundreds and thousands of complaints aka scam accusations against this joke of a sportsbook Originally Posted by Optional
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08-14-19 11:40 PM #35
Originally Posted by Optional
Not surprised. The Canbet case from few years ago already proved UKGC to be a completely useless rubber stamp.
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