Feedback on dispute wanted

[Justin7]

An minor (under 18 years old) puts down a false date of birth, claiming to be over 18 so he can bet at a sportsbook. While under 18, the player loses $1000. When the player turns 18, he later wins $500 with the same account that has the wrong DOB. Assume there are no other fraud issues (like multi-accounts).

The book does not allow minors.

What should happen here?

[RickySteve]

No adjustment. Account stays open and active.

[mtneer1212]

No adjustment. Account updated with correct DOB. The kid will lose it back, plus a lot more.....

[Naz18]

They should void all wagers that were placed when the person was a minor, all bets after the legit DOB should be accepted. They should stick by these rules regardless if the play won or loss.

[Chopsticks]

The misrepresentation itself should be cause enough for any wagers to be voided. I mean if it was a wrong phone number that would be ok, but using different names and DoBs is out of line. In most countries it is illegal to accept bets from people under 18, so on that alone they should do the right thing and set a presedence for future cases like this.

From the bookies PoV I am not sure it matters moneywise.. unless they are a joke bookie they have the choice of:
a) Voiding everything and refunding all deposits. This would include the $1000 lost and whatever he used to win the $500.
b) Voiding and refunding everything before he was 18, keeping everything after he turned 18.
c) Don't do anything --> let the player continue with his current balance/send him his winnings & close his account. This would indirectly also say that they accepted the wagers from a player while he was under 18 and don't care about any laws broken.

Option c would be cheapest, unless they are jokers and decide that this is reason enough to steal his money. Personally I think they should refund all the money deposited and close the account, but I can see that this would probably costmore as they would have to refund that $1000 + whatever he deposited to win $500.

[Thremp]

Ship him the dime + winnings if you want to argue to close the account. As is, leave account open and all good.

[relaaxx]

No adjustment. Account stays open and active.

i agree - except for keeping account active

if someone lies about anything - then bets - i would care about the dishonesty - but -about the bet - pay him if he wins - keep his money if he loses - then toss him out -

[IrishTim]

Olympic? Let me know how this one goes.

[soxwin1917]

It seems reasonable to me that they should close the account, settle up any current balance, and ban the kid from playing there again.

[JoeVig]

Void everything, refund the deposit minus transfer fees, close the account.

[THEGREAT30]

The kid should be paid if that is the issue, because there was no problem when he was losing money, no excuses or arguments otherwise make sense

[big joe 1212]

Refund the 1k he lost, void the $500 in winnings.

or

No adjustments at all.

[Hareeba!]

void all action and refund deposit, less costs

[Dark Horse]

An minor (under 18 years old) puts down a false date of birth, claiming to be over 18 so he can bet at a sportsbook. While under 18, the player loses $1000. When the player turns 18, he later wins $500 with the same account that has the wrong DOB. Assume there are no other fraud issues (like multi-accounts).

The book does not allow minors.

What should happen here?

How was the account funded?

[Dark Horse]

If the story is exactly like you described, the player was close to 18 when he signed up, and wished to act like an adult. In this case, I see no problem with him being 'tried' as an adult. He's down 500. Unless he's the kind of person that wishes to act like an adult when he's under 18, and like a crybaby after he reached that age. So ask him if that's what he wants. Put the words in his mouth just like that. Are you a man or a little boy? If the first, you're down 500. If the latter, say so in writing and we will procede from there.

[Extra Innings]

void all action and refund deposit, less costs

[warriorfan707]

Void everything, refund the deposit minus transfer fees, close the account.

we have a winner

[austin]

close the account that's for sure

[AimingHigh]

Depending on the jurisdiction, presumably the book could have got into trouble legally for accepting bets from a minor. That the player put the book in that position means the player shouldn't expect to be allowed to continue to play there. But the book can't punish the player for that; the book should be entitled to take administrative fees for dealing with this mess, say 10% of the deposited amount.

So, as some have suggested, I'd void everything, refund the player all of their deposits ($1k plus whatever amount was deposited to win the $500) minus reasonable administrative fees (eg. 10%).

[HedgeHog]

Curious as to who raised the issue of age? Either way, the account should have never existed. Void all bets and return deposit.

[MadTiger]

An minor (under 18 years old) puts down a false date of birth, claiming to be over 18 so he can bet at a sportsbook. While under 18, the player loses $1000. When the player turns 18, he later wins $500 with the same account that has the wrong DOB. Assume there are no other fraud issues (like multi-accounts). The book does not allow minors. What should happen here?

Ship him the dime + winnings if you want to argue to close the account. As is, leave account open and all good.

This.

The law is supposed to be equitable. Why should the book be in a better position when this is over, when, through their negligence, etc., they helped perpetrate the illegal situation.

They can't have it both ways.

[The General]

The sports book reserves the right to conclude any course of action which they choose on this matter. The only requirement is to assure that they are consistent with their decision handling (what they have done in the past and will do in the future). The sports book has to look at this as if it were for 100,000 and 10,000 or 10,000 and 100,000. Make a business decision and stand by it. Consider all possibilities here and take a stance after careful consideration.

[topgame85]

account closed all deposits refunded

[AimingHigh]

This.

The law is supposed to be equitable. Why should the book be in a better position when this is over, when, through their negligence, etc., they helped perpetrate the illegal situation.

They can't have it both ways.

The player when minor made a false statement about their age. Should a book be required to verify age and identity before allowing any player to place any wagers? How many of us would like being asked to produce several forms of photo ID, perhaps sending certified copies in the mail (like some Aus books require) before being permitted to place any bets? That's the only thing the book could do to ensure they didn't "help[] perpetrate the illegal situation." The onus placed on books also has to be reasonable.

[Dark Horse]

The risk of a blanket statement that all underaged action should be nullified is that some parents could have the bright idea of signing up under their kid's name. If they win, they photoshop the driver's license; if they lose, they claim underaged betting.

"My 12 year old lost 25K. He used my credit card. We share the same name. I want my money back."

[big joe 1212]

The risk of a blanket statement that all underaged action should be nullified is that some parents could have the bright idea of signing up under their kid's name. If they win, they photoshop the driver's license; if they lose, they claim underaged betting.

"My 12 year old lost 25K. He used my credit card. We share the same name. I want my money back."

[big joe 1212]

Depending on the jurisdiction, presumably the book could have got into trouble legally for accepting bets from a minor. That the player put the book in that position means the player shouldn't expect to be allowed to continue to play there. But the book can't punish the player for that; the book should be entitled to take administrative fees for dealing with this mess, say 10% of the deposited amount.

So, as some have suggested, I'd void everything, refund the player all of their deposits ($1k plus whatever amount was deposited to win the $500) minus reasonable administrative fees (eg. 10%).

This is true. The book has to worry about their license.

Why don't books just ask for proper I.D. up front then? I know we don't like to send this stuff, but books should be universal with this and all of them require it up front.

[Domestic]

Morally, the kid should be 500 in the red.
Legally, I think everything would be mad void.

[Domestic]

The player when minor made a false statement about their age. Should a book be required to verify age and identity before allowing any player to place any wagers? How many of us would like being asked to produce several forms of photo ID, perhaps sending certified copies in the mail (like some Aus books require) before being permitted to place any bets? That's the only thing the book could do to ensure they didn't "help[] perpetrate the illegal situation." The onus placed on books also has to be reasonable.

I live in Australia and bet online with four Australian books, all of which require a photographed copy of my Driver's License/A Bank Statement and on two occasions I had to provide a scan of my **** Card showing my Signature on it.
Is this sort of thing not the case with the Offshore books?

[Dark Horse]

I live in Australia and bet online with four Australian books, all of which require a photographed copy of my Driver's License/A Bank Statement and on two occasions I had to provide a scan of my **** Card showing my Signature on it.
Is this sort of thing not the case with the Offshore books?

Betting is legal in Australia. Both sides have to abide by the law. Much better. When it's illegal you get shady areas like this.

[Domestic]

Betting is legal in Australia. Both sides have to abide by the law. Much better. When it's illegal you get shady areas like this.

Okay, I see what you mean.

[katstale]

Agree with posters who talked about consistency here. How has this been dealt with in the past if it has occurred before? I believe all books should ask for ID up front before they take any money, instead of when you want to take some out.

If a player sends you "false" or doctored ID then the player has absolutely no claim or right to cry if the book takes punitive action.

[bettilimbroke999]

Refund the 1000 he lost prior to 18 (bc it wasnt real gambling since they wouldnt have paid him had he won) then update the DOB and let his wagers over 18 stand

[dwaechte]

I guess I agree with the rationale of voiding everything and returning deposits(kid pays all transaction costs), but personally I would like to see them keep the $1000 in losses, pay the $500 in winnings and keep the account open so the kid can keep losing his money.

[Dunder]

Void everything.
Account closed.