payout from lines2bet?

Chopsticks · 02-22-10, 01:40 PM

Maybe try and phone in? I know BFC don't like it when players send e-mails about withdrawals and prefer that people call in.

xyz · 02-22-10, 01:52 PM

Are there any updates for the arrest of Mike from Betfirstclass? I would monitor that closely if you are a player at any BFC books including lines2bet.

Docta Ignoranti · 02-22-10, 06:25 PM

Kaka,

Lex has gotten your email and has apologized for the delay. Your remaining balance will be received within the hour.
If possible please contact customer service via the phone next time to make sure there are no delays in payouts.
Congratulations on your winnings!

Kaka · 02-23-10, 06:23 AM

Originally posted by Docta Ignoranti

Kaka,

Lex has gotten your email and has apologized for the delay. Your remaining balance will be received within the hour.
If possible please contact customer service via the phone next time to make sure there are no delays in payouts.
Congratulations on your winnings!

Longest hour ever

- haven´t bee paid yet, but Lex did response to the email saying that I would recieve my funds...

korbal29 · 02-23-10, 06:59 AM

you dont have to worry you will get it

Kaka · 02-23-10, 11:21 AM

got it, or at least some of it...

Son of Sam · 02-26-10, 02:28 PM

Glad to see you got some of your money. A couple things worry me. First, that there money man was arrested. Second, that the "live chat" is down. Third, that you only got part but not all of your money and the delay in payment came after the arrest. At least you aren't out all your money. I do think its kinda funny how Docta Ignoranti (who is really Lex) keeps referring you to talk to Lex. Just trying to buy time I guess. That shouldnt surprise anybody though since Lex is the same person who went by Ryan at betsportsweb, wagerweb and BetRoyal. Old habits die hard

raddle_snake · 02-26-10, 03:02 PM

payout may delay? that's realy bad service

Docta Ignoranti · 02-26-10, 06:19 PM

Originally posted by Son of Sam

Glad to see you got some of your money. A couple things worry me. First, that there money man was arrested. Second, that the "live chat" is down. Third, that you only got part but not all of your money and the delay in payment came after the arrest. At least you aren't out all your money. I do think its kinda funny how Docta Ignoranti (who is really Lex) keeps referring you to talk to Lex. Just trying to buy time I guess. That shouldnt surprise anybody though since Lex is the same person who went by Ryan at betsportsweb, wagerweb and BetRoyal. Old habits die hard

Son of Sam, looks like you have it out for Lex who did not go by Lex or Ryan at WagerWeb or Royal both of which were ranked higher when he was there. also when he was the General Manager at BSW he got them up to a C- which has since been down graded many times since his leaving.

Many people in the industry got there start at Royal, including the people managing BetPhonenix, BetUS, WagerChief, Nine, Boomaker, and the list goes on and on...

The player received his first payout within 15 min for the amount of 1k and for the record it was AFTER the arrest. When Lex received the players email he requested the rest be sent to him. A small accounting error was committed for the exact dollar amount of no less than $100. The player was sent his entire balance minus the $100 error within 24hrs.

Say what you want SOS, but it looks like you have an axe to grind with Lex... Lines2Bet had a steller payout history before being bought by BFC. Alot of SBR players bet with him and he took very good care of them. So if taking care of his players, getting them paid and going the extra mile is an old habbit that is hard to die, then I think your right. Continue to hate SOS.

Contact Bill if you have issues with Lex. He can set the record straight for you.

Son of Sam · 02-27-10, 09:10 PM

Nice try at deflecting Ignoranti. This is not about "Lex" and some made up "axe to grind". This is about player funds not being safe at lines2bet. At least you admitted that "Lex" is "Ryan" and that he is the same person who worked at those other D books. But you keep up the facade that Lex/Ryan is not Docta Ignoranti. How can we trust that player funds are safe when the same guy who got fired from betsportsweb is now running the show at lines2bet, and he continues the deception about who he is when he posts here? Anybody who has money there should seriously think about getting it out while they still can

Docta Ignoranti · 02-27-10, 10:09 PM

[quote=Son of Sam;3348245]This is not about "Lex" and some made up "axe to grind". How can we trust that player funds are safe when the same guy who got fired from betsportsweb is now running the show at lines2bet,

Son of Sam, nice try hater, your post lacks any type of logic. Why don't you spend more time running your lines and less time attacking sportsbooks that don't have complaints levied against them. Oh yeah, this is personal because you do have an axe to grind. In that case, why don't you visit with Lex so you can tell him to his face. FYI-None of the books Lex worked for had D ratings when he worked for them. Stop trashing an honest book and an honest book maker.

Son of Sam · 02-28-10, 08:18 PM

Listen Ignoranti (Lex/Ryan), you keep trying to make this about you when it is not; its about player funds. By attacking me (hater) and saying that its "personal" you try to divert attention from the fact that player money is not safe with you. As for my "trashing" the book, again not true. All I did was point out the same thing that Bill Dozer pointed out when he downgraded you to a D book: your money man was arrested so player's should withdraw their funds. Rather than deal with the fact, you try to attack and divert, hoping that people wont connect the dots between Ignoranti, Lex, Ryan and your continued deceptions. Sorry, wont work. And, one other thing, please dont flatter yourself by saying you are an "honest bookmaker". You are anything but honest and not even close to being a bookmaker. Ouch!

Docta Ignoranti · 02-28-10, 08:51 PM

Listen Son of Sam, you should re-read all your post.

Oh, that's not a personal attack-And, one other thing, please dont flatter yourself by saying you are an "honest bookmaker". You are anything but honest and not even close to being a bookmaker. Ouch!

And this is not a personal attack-How can we trust that player funds are safe when the same guy who got fired from betsportsweb is now running the show at lines2bet

And this is also not a personal attack-that shouldnt surprise anybody though since Lex is the same person who went by Ryan at betsportsweb, wagerweb and BetRoyal. Old habits die hard

I got news for you SOS, no one cares... On top of that, no player has ever been stiffed or slow paid by Lex or anyone working at Lines2Bet. The same can not be said at Betsportsweb/Bluegrass. What's obvious is that this is a personal attack. Listen Ignoranti (Lex/Ryan), you keep trying to make this about you when it is not; You came in attacking Lines2Bet and Lex from the get go and you continue to do so. I hope you're enjoying yourself. By the way, that offer still stands anytime... You can't always settle things with a game of poker. Continue to hate all you want and please keep blasting away!

Son of Sam · 03-01-10, 07:13 PM

Ignoranti (Lex/Ryan) there you go again diverting and deceiving. You conveniently ignore the fact that each of my comments deal with the safety of player funds and that my so called "personal attacks" are simply replies to your attacks. Also, you say you have not had any complaints about payouts. I guess Kaka's complaint that started this thread about your not paying him what he requested isn't a payout complaint. You know, I can understand that you aren't happy about being outed here, but I am surprised at how defensive you are. Its really funny how you characterize facts about who you are, and what your background is, and how you continually mislead the readers here as being "personal attacks" when in reality those facts just further demonstrate that player funds at lines2bet are really at risk! Must suck being you (not an attack, Ignoranti, just a fair and reasonable conclusion reached after examining the facts). By the way, still no live chat on the site, and I hear you had to let some people go. Looks like you have trouble paying bills now huh? Shouldnt be too long before we start seeing more payout complaints. SBR got it right. Players get your money out of lines2bet as soon as you can.

The Judge · 03-02-10, 09:48 AM

Originally posted by Son of Sam

I hear you had to let some people go. Looks like you have trouble paying bills now huh? Shouldnt be too long before we start seeing more payout complaints. SBR got it right. Players get your money out of lines2bet as soon as you can.

Sam, I'm not interested in joining in on this little pissing match but I feel that I must respond to the incorrect information that you have posted.

1. No employess have been let go at Lines2Bet, BetFirsClass or Lay104 and frankly I don't believe that anyone has told you that they have. In fact I hired two new customer service staff members over the weekend.

2. All of our bills are current and your speculation to the contrary is flawed and irresponsible.

3. I suppose that before we would be seeing "more" complaints about payouts, we will see the first one. I can assure you that Kaka's issue has been resolved and was simply a matter of miscommunication and as per the previous payout experience that he shared, a rare exception. I am confident that if he had called the office about this the matter rather than rely on email, would have been resolved much quicker. It is unfortunate that his emails were not responded to in a more expedient manner but I have taken measyures to ensure that this will not be an issue moving forward.

4. I have to disagree with your statement that "SBR got it right" as players funds are as secure today as they have always been and every player who has requested a withdrawal from their account has received it in a timely manner. I invite anyone to respond if their experience has been different.

It does appear that you have some type of agenda here and while the reason for this is unimportant to me, I suggest that you get your facts straight before continuing to slander a shop who has always done right by their customers. If you have specific question or concersw, you are welcome to call the office and speak with me directly.

Son of Sam · 03-02-10, 07:02 PM

Judge, welcome to the discussion.

First, let me point out that I never mentioned betfirstclass or lay104 in this or any other thread. Second, this only became a "pissing match" (your words) after Ignoranti (Lex/Ryan) posted following raddle_snake and made accusations that had to be answered.

Any how, you are here so lets deal with your comments point by point: 1) I did hear people were let go from lines2bet, and frankly, whether you believe that or not does not matter. 2) You may or may not be current in your bills, but your "live chat" remains down. This is a point that neither you nor Ignorantie (Lex/Ryan) have addressed throughout this thread. So, is that a tech issue or a non payment issue or a "we really cant afford this anymore" issue? 3) Whether the issue of payment to Kaka was resolved or not, it still was a payout complaint. Saying it was not, and claiming lines2bet never had a payout complaint, simply is false. 4) Under the current circumstances, and despite your claims to the contrary, I still think SBR's advice that players withdraw their money is sound. Finally, there is no "agenda" or "axe" to grind here so you guys should stop trying to hide behind that claim. And, accurately stating that Ignorante is really the same person as Lex/Ryan and accurately stating what his background is, and calling into question the safety of player funds at a place where the owner was arrested and Ignoranti (Lex/Ryan) is supposedly now in charge is NOT slandering your shop. It is simply explaining the basis for my belief that player funds are in jeopardy at lines2bet.

Now I do have a question though. Previously, Ignoranti (Lex/Ryan) posted that "BetFirstClass has new management after its acquisition of Lines2Bet so that's a plus! They retained its GM Lex." in the following thread http://forum.sbrforum.com/sportsbook...lay-104-a.html. So if he is the man running lines2bet (ie, the GM), why is a Customer Service Manager hiring and firing people and answering for the GM in a thread that has become a "pissing match"? Tell me are you the man in charge at lines2bet now? If Ignoranti (Lex/Ryan) is not running lines2bet, then I might have to reconsider one part of my underlying concern about the safety of player funds at lines2bet.

Notice, no personal attacks or slander here! Just the facts and fair questions.

mtneer1212 · 03-02-10, 07:22 PM

Docta Ignoranti · 03-02-10, 11:07 PM

Son of Sam, welcome back!

Are you a player at Lines2Bet? I'm kidding, we all know that answer to that question, no.

Do you know of any player or players that have NOT gotten paid at Lines2Bet? Kaka was obviously paid within 15 minutes of his initial request and then paid less then a week later, less then 12hrs after his next request. Did you know that no one has been fired at Lines2Bet since being bought out? Did you know people have actually been hired since Mike's arrest? Live chat of course, is not the end of the world, but since you asked and you say your concerned, its a simple server issue since the recent upgrades.

How many players in 3 years have complained about not getting paid from Betfirstclass or Lay104 or Lines2bet which is older then Lay104? That's right, not a single one. Since Mike's arrest how many players have complained about being slow paid or no paid? Kaka was neither obviously. I can answer that question for you, none.

Tell us since Lex is not the owner of Lines2Bet why you would be concerned? Obviously he pays players fast and never has had a single complaint. Since Lines2Bet is under the BFC umbrella why seek to slander one book and not the other? Lastly, do you read your post in this thread? It clearly shows you bashing Lex and Lines2Bet.

Ok, so you don't like him and you think players are going to have problems cashing out even though you work at a competitive book....Ok, I get it. No agenda here right?

One last question, is my post defensive, deflecting or in any way not direct?

Like I have said repeatedly, you have an agenda against Lex and Lines2Bet and you work in the industry. How can it be more clearer then that.

aggie · 03-03-10, 02:48 PM

Judge, do you still transfer to CRIS?

Son of Sam · 03-03-10, 08:14 PM

Hey Ignoranti (Lex/Ryan) your back! Good to see that your not hiding behind your customer service manager.

And yes, you are still diverting and deceiving. First, this is about, and always has been about, the safety of player funds at lines2bet since Mike was arrested and now,that you are in charge of lines2bet. Your attempt to divert attention by raising a bunch of questions is simply another attempt by you to divert our attention from this fact..

Second, the deception continues. Why the heck do you keep referring to yourself in the third person. You write about "Lex" as if he is somebody different than you (Ignoranti). Come on man, give it up, you've been outed already. Accept it and stop the charade will you. Also, you keep saying lines2bet was bought by BFC. Listen up dude, BFC taking over some player balances and giving you a monthly stipend after beteagle kicked you out is not the same as BFC buying the book. Stop flattering yourself and misleading the readers. Enough already.

Third, even though Kaka was ultimately paid, he had to complain here first. Try to understnad this: his complaint here was a payout complaint. Ignoring it Ignoranti won't change that fact.

Fourth, you and Judge keep trying to drag betfirstclass and lay104 into this. Why? I never did. The reason I never did is because you (Ignoranti/Lex/Ryan) are supposedly the GM of lines2bet. So, my concerns about your honesty and checkered past don't apply to those other two books.

And stop with the "slander" and "bashing" cry baby crap already. Nobody is slandering anybody here, least of all the BFC and lay104. I remind you, to accurately and truthfully discuss who you are and where you worked, and to highlight your continued deceptions is not slander or bashing. Also, since Mike was arrested, and since you are apparantly running lines2bet, these matters become more important in determining whether players' funds are in fact safe at lines2bet.

Ignoranti (Lex/Ryan) I will let you in on a little secret. I was hoping Judge was going to write back saying he was running the show at lines2bet. If he had, I would have had more confidence in the safety of player funds at lines2bet knowing that a customer service manager, and not you Ignoranti/Lex/Ryan, was actually running the show. And, I might have reconsidered SBRs recommendation that players withdraw their funds from lines2bet.

Well, I haven't heard from Judge yet, so I guess there is still hope!

Docta Ignoranti · 03-04-10, 11:25 AM

Son of Sam, you haven't articulated anything of value and its becoming a real bore. I don't care what your agenda is because I hate wasting my time with a person who lacks facts, reaches and says things that has no relationship to what's important. It obvious you can't control your hate for Lex and really I'm sure he could care less what you think. You work for another sportsbook.

You speak about players funds not being safe, but at the same time you admit no one has been slowed paid or stiffed. You speak about this and that, but its impossible not to see your true focus.

Lines2Bet is (I'll say it again) and has always been run by Lex.

Not only can't you answer my basic questions, but you bring in baseless noise saying BetEagle kicked Lines2Bet out...lol. Really shows the level of your intellect regarding the industry.

Really SOS, I feel sorry for you. Your making this so personal and your really lashing out to the world. You should really see someone for your pain.

I'm sure we'll see another silly post after you get off work, and it;s obvious you can't/won't answer my simple questions; meaning you must have looked up the definition of diversion. So really, congrats on that Son of Sam! Next look up slander, bashing, and cry baby so we can continue the overall theme of these funny post.

Son of Sam · 03-04-10, 03:09 PM

When are you going to stop referring to yourself in the 3rd person (Ignoranti/Lex/Ryan)? You are right this has become boring.