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  • bubba
    SBR MVP
    • 09-29-05
    • 2432

    #1
    am i being screwed by betjamaica??
    after the cavs game they cancelled my prob bet on anderson varejao under 16.5 points plus rebounds. should have been a winner. they say because he did not start the game the bet should be cancelled. i need to call back to speak to scotty after 2 ocklock. its 210 dollars im out which is not the end of the world but im pretty uoset here. it does not say on the bet he needs to start. does say under basketball propsitions

    Players Props
    - Player must play in the game for wagers to stand.
    - Players must be in starting Line Up for action, if not all wagers will be refunded.
    - Abbreviations may be used: Points = Pts, Rebounds = Rebs, Assists = Assts, Blocks = Blks, Steal = Stl.


    why say must play in the 1st rule and then must start in the 2nd rule? this is confusing. do i really need to check the rules for a guy that NEVER starts. why have the prop bet for him at all. and if you want and mean must start, it should list it on the bet. nobody wants to check the rules each and every time for minute detatils. and if i did check the rules, the 1st rule seams like im ok so you have to check MULTIPLE RULES to find must start(2nd rule makes rule number 1 obsolete).

    who is right, me or them? will scotty pay me my money?? why put up a prop bet for a guy who hasnt started since 1st week of the year and then cancel it when he doesnt start?

    NOTE: IF IT SAID MUST START ON MY WAGER SCREEN, I WOULD AGREE WITH THEM 100%, BUT WOULD THINK THEY ARE DUMB FOR OFFERING THIS PROP BET ON A GUY WHO NEVER STARTS. but i feel duped.
  • bubba
    SBR MVP
    • 09-29-05
    • 2432

    #2
    when i say it says under basketball props, i mean if you search through the rules on the website, NOT when you are in wagering mode. fyi
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    • Chuck Sims
      SBR MVP
      • 12-29-05
      • 3072

      #3
      The rule says player must start. If player does not start, wager is refunded. Whatever rule Bet Jamaica lists, they all have to be applied for you to have action. There is no grey area here. The bet should be graded as no action.
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      • BigdaddyQH
        SBR Posting Legend
        • 07-13-09
        • 19530

        #4
        This is a no brainer. You just answered your won question. If you can not figure out that the wager is no action, you whould not be wagering. The rules are right in front of your nose. There is nothing confusing about it. DUH????
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        • bubba
          SBR MVP
          • 09-29-05
          • 2432

          #5
          the rules are about 5 clicks away from when you are wagering. if the rules were right there i agree with you guys.
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          • bleedblue
            SBR Sharp
            • 07-22-08
            • 323

            #6
            It should be no actioned, but if the rule is must start WTF at having a prop for someone who never starts...
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            • bubba
              SBR MVP
              • 09-29-05
              • 2432

              #7
              do any other books have this rule? what if they changed the rulke that day? do you check each websites rules every day? what abouyt the 1st rule being totally misleading? what about the wager itself being misleading? there was no chance of that guy starting. why put up the line?
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              • G's pks
                Restricted User
                • 01-01-09
                • 22251

                #8
                So the wager says must start, he does not. PUSH
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                • BigDaddy
                  SBR Hall of Famer
                  • 02-01-06
                  • 8378

                  #9
                  why do they word it in 2 different ways?


                  i agree the wager is a push but i see no need to word it both ways or at least switch the 2 up so the player must start is on top.

                  a guy could see player must play in game 1st and just think to himself his bet is good as long as the player plays.

                  just saying
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                  • BGboothA
                    SBR MVP
                    • 08-07-08
                    • 4202

                    #10
                    I agree the rules are a little funny worded, but they are explicit. Its a refund
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                    • bubba
                      SBR MVP
                      • 09-29-05
                      • 2432

                      #11
                      spoke to scotty, he said it did say under my bet that the player must start. (not on the ticket, just before i placed the wager) said he will send me a screenshot. i have no reason not to believe him. if it did in fact say this, 1- i am wrong 2-it still shouild say it in the ticket 3- still shouldnt have an anderson varejau bet where he needs to start. but most important thing is that i was wrong. just cause they are a top notch book doesnt mean they cant make a mistake. but appears the main mistake maker was me
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                      • trumpdown
                        SBR Wise Guy
                        • 01-21-09
                        • 755

                        #12
                        It's OK Bubba. Happens to the best of us. I've been known to make a mistake or 2 along the way myself. Learn from it and move on.
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                        • nenad
                          Restricted User
                          • 08-12-09
                          • 714

                          #13
                          screwed
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                          • swaindexter
                            SBR MVP
                            • 02-27-07
                            • 1228

                            #14
                            If he sent you a screen shot, why is ther a problem? I am confused on what you are thinking.
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                            • Justin7
                              SBR Hall of Famer
                              • 07-31-06
                              • 8577

                              #15
                              If you're going to play props, you really have to read the rules. Prop rules can differ quite a bit between books.
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                              • JohnAnthony
                                SBR Hall of Famer
                                • 04-30-09
                                • 5110

                                #16
                                I hope you apologized for making this thread.
                                "I have never seen a wild thing feel sorry for itself. A little bird will fall dead, frozen from a bough, without ever having felt sorry for itself."

                                - D.H. Lawrence
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                                • BigDaddy
                                  SBR Hall of Famer
                                  • 02-01-06
                                  • 8378

                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by JohnAnthony
                                  I hope you apologized for making this thread.

                                  he asked a question

                                  i see no harm in what the OP did.

                                  he even admits that he made the mistake.
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                                  • bubba
                                    SBR MVP
                                    • 09-29-05
                                    • 2432

                                    #18
                                    If he sent you a screen shot, why is ther a problem? I am confused on what you are thinking.

                                    they said they would send a screenshot, still waiting on that

                                    If you're going to play props, you really have to read the rules. Prop rules can differ quite a bit between books.

                                    i try, but book should be careful too. having a prop bet "mujst start" with a player who doesnt start can only lead to confusuin

                                    I hope you apologized for making this thread.

                                    for asking a question? stating facts? my fault
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                                    • bigboyfosho
                                      SBR MVP
                                      • 02-19-09
                                      • 1576

                                      #19
                                      ewww, hate the rule
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                                      • cap10
                                        SBR Sharp
                                        • 09-15-07
                                        • 494

                                        #20
                                        scotty is as fair as they come;; he made some changes in my favor when they erred
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                                        • bubba
                                          SBR MVP
                                          • 09-29-05
                                          • 2432

                                          #21
                                          BetJamaica with another prop on anderson varejau tonight. called to tell them, didnt seem to care that much. having a rule must start and a guy who never starts will only lead to confusion. greek has the same prop but says must play. that makes sense!
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                                          • whatsgood5
                                            Restricted User
                                            • 10-13-09
                                            • 15359

                                            #22
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                                            • durito
                                              SBR Posting Legend
                                              • 07-03-06
                                              • 13173

                                              #23
                                              I have had this problem with books that copy the greeks props, only have the rule (usually not written anywhere on their site) that player must start. The problem of course being the greek will often post player props on players who in fact NEVER start. Thus, these idiots no action all these bets -- though I wouldn't be surprised if they do it only when they win.
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                                              • BillyCostigan
                                                SBR Wise Guy
                                                • 11-18-09
                                                • 712

                                                #24
                                                BetJamaica and TheGreek are now owned by the same company, right?
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                                                • bubba
                                                  SBR MVP
                                                  • 09-29-05
                                                  • 2432

                                                  #25
                                                  think they always have been owned by thegreek


                                                  jamaica had a similar prop on laker game for lamar odom. must start. it just makes no sense in the nba. it should be must play.
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                                                  • mtneer1212
                                                    SBR MVP
                                                    • 06-22-08
                                                    • 4993

                                                    #26
                                                    No action is the right ruling; whoever is putting this line up needs some linesmaking 101 training. They are asking for bad press by offering a bet that will be no action.
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                                                    • bubba
                                                      SBR MVP
                                                      • 09-29-05
                                                      • 2432

                                                      #27
                                                      tonight it doesnt say "must start" next to the players for their props. but it still says so on their main rule page. this would only add to more confusion. come on betjamaica, get this right!
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                                                      • bubba
                                                        SBR MVP
                                                        • 09-29-05
                                                        • 2432

                                                        #28
                                                        and off course they have a prop bet with jason terry. change the rule and put up a notice saying the rule is changed. not that hard. makes 0 sense!
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                                                        • Doug
                                                          SBR Hall of Famer
                                                          • 08-10-05
                                                          • 6324

                                                          #29
                                                          Originally posted by mtneer1212
                                                          No action is the right ruling; whoever is putting this line up needs some linesmaking 101 training. They are asking for bad press by offering a bet that will be no action.
                                                          Language is critical in props.
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                                                          • polskboy
                                                            SBR MVP
                                                            • 01-29-10
                                                            • 1688

                                                            #30
                                                            i dont think so betjm is a very good book
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                                                            • bubba
                                                              SBR MVP
                                                              • 09-29-05
                                                              • 2432

                                                              #31
                                                              again today, it doesnt say must start next to the players for props. it does have it hidden in their rules but this is just more confusion waiting to happen. if your going to have the dumb rule must start (would make sense in baseball) please list it in big letters next to the match up.
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