[SCAM ALERT!! DANGER] All Jazzsports.ag, Looselines, ABCislands and Betodds Issues

[mrham]

Anyone coming in this thread saying they been paid from these crooks JAZZ ABCISLANDS LOOSE LINES should be shot then hung in public. No1 cares about you being paid $1000. This place is stealing 10's of thousands of dollars off people who did nothing wrong and r still taking deposits like the scum they are. There names will be revealed real soon. They won't be able to hide behind there fake names or there chat.

How can you get their real names? Do you know where the office is located?

[2Sweeet]

Anyone coming in this thread saying they been paid from these crooks JAZZ ABCISLANDS LOOSE LINES should be shot then hung in public. No1 cares about you being paid $1000. This place is stealing 10's of thousands of dollars off people who did nothing wrong and r still taking deposits like the scum they are. There names will be revealed real soon. They won't be able to hide behind there fake names or there chat.

[2Sweeet]

This new ownership group Isn't all that new from the info I'm getting. I'm working on this more than I should be. I feel bad for all involved and who are being stolen from. More to come very soon.

[SirtySree]

Ok, thanks for confirming. Trying to figure out if they auto expire after a set time whether that's 30 days or one calendar month or a certain number of business days or if they can make them expire manually, and beyond that set time. But based on your reply, it's not clear. Bastards btw, not even paying out $400.

My first one did not auto expire and they manually did it after I contacted support. Second one automatically expired. Not sure if it was 30 days or 1 calendar month but it was definitely either one.

[caramba]

Ok, thanks for confirming. Trying to figure out if they auto expire after a set time whether that's 30 days or one calendar month or a certain number of business days or if they can make them expire manually, and beyond that set time. But based on your reply, it's not clear. Bastards btw, not even paying out $400.

[AuWillow]

Do you know when it expired? Today or could it have been earlier?

Gday, It was before that day but unsure how long before.

[Tom R.]

Same story...
Latest withdrawal request cancelled, account closed, money (four digit) confiscated (withdrawals greater than deposits)
Reason: non-recreational player

[SirtySree]

My latest withdrawal request got cancelled and my account is now closed.
Like everyone else, nothing I've done wrong. Just listed as a non-recreational (withdrawals greater than deposits).

I have 30k on there. If anyone has any advice, please PM or post here. Thanks.

[caramba]

I can confirm that my withdrawal of $400 has expired with no payment.

Do you know when it expired? Today or could it have been earlier?

[AuWillow]

I can confirm that my withdrawal of $400 has expired with no payment.

[jgemma1]

Update: I received a $1K payout from Jazz this evening. Received a call earlier today from their CS and they said they will be committed to paying $1K every 2 weeks until my balance is settled

Update: They paid out the second $1K on the stated 2 week timeframe

[PunisherIND]

Does anyone know who this new management is and how long have they been their.

according to their statement given to gambling911, new management came in around august 2024.

unfortunately we dont know who they are.

[bigballsgus]

Does anyone know who this new management is and how long have they been their.

[stoicboy]

jazz disabled my account, can no longer login, with 21k in there. stole my deposits too.

[caramba]

Latest report on this shitshow including a transcript where Jazz rep tries to justify their actions.

https://www.gambling911.com/gambling/jazz-sports-no-intention-to-pay-non-recreational-players-032925.html

[caramba]

WOW! So much for the previous management bs excuse.

[mrham]

Was just told my account is being closed and there will be no further payouts. Two days ago I was told I would be paid.

I made my deposits in December and I won in March. So yeah no one is getting paid.

[PunisherIND]

Oh shit wait a minute! Jazz Business Solutions B.V. were issued a license by the Curacao Gaming Control Board (CGCB) on June 28, 2024!

Source: https://gamingcontrol.spin-cdn.com/m...g_register.pdf

This is from CGCB website:

Complaints

Our primary role is to regulate and supervise various gaming activities conducted within or from Curacao. We strive to ensure that gaming operators comply with the laws and regulations designed to protect the integrity of the gaming industry.

We would like to clarify that the GCB does not handle individual complaints against gaming providers. Resolving disputes between players and gaming operators is not within our mandate. As such, we do not have the authority to mediate or arbitrate in these matters. The GCB is not a civil court and cannot order gaming operators to compensate players or issue judgments. Therefore, we encourage players to seek resolution directly with the gaming providers and to contact the appropriate legal channels if necessary.

However, your complaint is important to us, as it may indicate potential breaches of the LOK by operators. If a complaint or a pattern of complaints indicates a possible violation of the law, we may take appropriate action against the operator. As part of our ongoing reform efforts, we are actively working on implementing the necessary measures to address such matters as thoroughly as possible. To this end, we will introduce a standardized claim form on our website to collect specific information. This data will be entered into a database, which we will use to support our risk-based supervisory approach. Therefore, once the web complaints form is introduced, please refrain from sending complaints to our info@gcb.cw inbox. Please note that we will not disclose the status of any investigations or actions taken.

(emhasis added by me)

[PunisherIND]

as i said, went down a bit of a rabbit hole. probably irrelevant, but interesting (and possibly relevant).

Curacao eGaming - a company called Cyberluck Curacao N.V. is doing business as Curacao eGaming. Curacao eGaming was one of 4 companies with a master license to operate gambling games, issued by the Curacao Gaming Control Board. In turn, Curacao eGaming would issue sublicenses to sportsbooks such as Jazz/LL.

Xecutive Corporate Mangement (XCM) - XCM is company that acts as the registered agent for various companies. XCM is the registered agent for Jazz/LL and other sportsbooks that operate with a sublicense from Curacao eGaming.

Lawsuit between XCM and Curacao eGaming - In 2021, XCM filed a lawsuit against Cyberluck (d/b/a Curacao eGaming) for libel/slander, and for injunctive relief. Its complicated, but basically Cyberluck made statements on its website about XCM, and said it would stop issuing sublicenses to clients of XCM (e.g., Jazz/Looselines). XCM claimed this was libel/slander and intereference with business. The court ruled in favor of XCM.

It is possible that after this lawsuit Jazz/LL lost its sublicense from Curacao eGaming and why they no longer have the seal on their websites.

All of this to say, possibly the fact that Jazz/LL arent regulated by Curacao Gaming Control Board, and dont appear to be regulated by any jurisdiction, constitutes a violation of Curacao law.

Citations:
Article discussing Curacao Gaming Control Board master licenses and sublicenses: https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/cura%...schmitt-67ekf/

Article dicussing lawsuit: https://www.curacaochronicle.com/pos...nst-cyberluck/

Court's decision: https://www.inview.nl/document/idc52b0acf065a4e3abe69f397d4f8eb50/giea-cura-ao-15-07-2021-nr-cur202101413?ctx=WKNL_CSL_10000001&tab=t ekst

[caramba]

Punisher, I sent you a DM on twitter. Can you check? If you don't see it, I can send it to you here.

[PunisherIND]

Some more information.

In Looselines' terms of service it says they are operated by Jazz Business Solutions B.V registered under No. 152056 at, Scharlooweg 39 U.16, Curacao.

Input "Jazz Business Solutions" in the Curacao Commercial Register search https://www2.curacao-chamber.com/companyselect.asp

And we see the name of the "managing director" is Xecutive Corporate Management B.V.

I believe a lawsuit would have to be filed in Curacao -- not Costa Rica -- and this managing director Xecutive Corporate Management B.V. is the entity that would be served with process.

[PunisherIND]

Thanks. That's what I tried but whatever I type in I get "Accreditation Status: Unvalid". So I don't know if that search function is working. Did you get any other searches that resulted in something else?

I've been going down a rabbit hole.

It seems all curacao gaming licenses have expired

https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/cura%C3%A7ao-gaming-licenses-what-spectacular-sht-show-michael-schmitt-67ekf

And curacao eGaming are bankrupt

https://www.curacaochronicle.com/post/main/cyberluck-nv-declared-bankrupt-amid-growing-financial-troubles/

[bigballsgus]

I think we need to find out who the new management is and their prior history of paying out.

[caramba]

Thanks. That's what I tried but whatever I type in I get "Accreditation Status: Unvalid". So I don't know if that search function is working. Did you get any other searches that resulted in something else?

[PunisherIND]

How do you search for this? Link?

https://www.curacao-egaming.com/public-and-players/authenticity

[caramba]

The Gambling911 article I linked to has been edited since this morning after people reported about having accounts shut down and balances confiscated.

https://www.gambling911.com/gambling/jazz-sports-new-management-032725.html

I would say Jazz's attempt to get some good publicity after months of bad publicity backfired pretty badly.

[caramba]

curacao egaming have a registry search function. neither jazzsports nor looselines are listed. just a waste of time filling out the complaint form i suppose.

How do you search for this? Link?

[PunisherIND]

It was mentioned on the other side of the street, that Jazz no longer have a license with them.

Does anynow know if there is a list of all companies that have a license with Curacao eGaming?

In the meantime I have emailed Curacao eGaming and asked, and will update here if I hear back.

curacao egaming have a registry search function. neither jazzsports nor looselines are listed. just a waste of time filling out the complaint form i suppose.

[caramba]

It was mentioned on the other side of the street, that Jazz no longer have a license with them.

Does anynow know if there is a list of all companies that have a license with Curacao eGaming?

In the meantime I have emailed Curacao eGaming and asked, and will update here if I hear back.

[PunisherIND]

probably waste of time, but i filed a complaint here: https://www.curacao-egaming.com/public-and-players/

based on this clause in the website terms

[caramba]

I've tried a 1k withdrawal three times since that post and been rejected every time. The first one they rejected it saying I needed to be verified. The second one they rejected giving no reason. The 3rd once they rejected just yesterday saying I need to request the full balance. I haven't attempted a new one since.

[PunisherIND]

If you point out your deposits vs withdrawals ratio to them they might adjust your balance to $3395 (if they can afford that). That's what they did to me, first confiscated the entire balance and then told me "we had a look at your deposits vs withdrawals ratio, we've updated your balance to 1.5k" and made it seem like they were generous for only stealing 53k instead of 54.5k.

I remember you posting about this- but I don't remember whether you were able to withdraw that amount? Or did you decide not to accept it?

[caramba]

i just calculated lifetime deposits vs lifetime withdrawals (since that is the irrlevant argument they made to some others)

deposits: $8395

withdrawals: $5000

If you point out your deposits vs withdrawals ratio to them they might adjust your balance to $3395 (if they can afford that). That's what they did to me, first confiscated the entire balance and then told me "we had a look at your deposits vs withdrawals ratio, we've updated your balance to 1.5k" and made it seem like they were generous for only stealing 53k instead of 54.5k.

[mrham]

2500 or 1000? How many payouts have you received previously?

Thanks for info. Please let us know when payment is in your wallet.

1000. This is my first WD request since November.

[PunisherIND]

Somehow I wasn't one of the accounts closed and was told today I'd be paid. Tomorrow is business day 20 for me.

2500 or 1000? How many payouts have you received previously?

Thanks for info. Please let us know when payment is in your wallet.