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Why MyBookie/XBet/MyBCasino is my question. Since other sites like BetOnline, Heritage and several other top rated books offered these same Betsoft slots.
Or were you doing this on other casinos as well, and MyBookie was just the only one you were stuck with a big balance because they don't pay fast enough/max payout limits?Comment -
[2] okay, so this is where I hope I dont confuse you guys; yes we were allowed to switch our bet sizes, but everytime the the bet size was switched, it would reset the entire template, clear all previous bombs accumulated and reset our spin cycle back to 10. At no given time were we allowed to switch the bet size within a cycle.
So say I was betting 10 dollars and I spun it 3 times, I would NOT be able to all of the sudden bet 20 dollars on the 4th spin or the spins thereafter; if I want to increase my bet size, I would have to click the $20 bet cycle tab and reset the entire template completely, no bombs from the 10 dollar cycle would be saved and I would have a fresh 10 spins, each spin would then cost $20 dollars.
[3] "So the glitch allowed them to spin 9 times on the lowest bet amount, then on the 10th spin change bet to higher amount. So all the bombs on 10th spin turn to wild and it’s a big payout. Now that the glitch is fixed every bet change resets bombs accumulated."
This is simply not true, like I stated in [2], we were not able to change our bet size within the cycle. The 10th spin would also have to be the same amount ($10). If I spun all the way to the 9th spin during a 10 dollar cycle and I all of the sudden wanted to then bet 20 dollars, I would have to completely start over a new betting cycle and bet from a fresh template with 10 spins, no bombs from the previous $10 template would be counted at all.
Does this clear things up a bit?
Also, this is the reason why I would switch my bet cycles constantly so that I would not have to waste unnecessary funds on a bad cycle. Say I chose the $10 bet cycle, spun it 3 times (which cost me $30), and only one or two bombs came out; that would mean I have only 7 more spins to accumulate the necessary bombs needed to get the payout by the 10th spin. Since the amount of spins available during a specified cycle is crucial toward accumulating as many bombs as possible, it only made sense to me to increase my win probability by maximizing the amount of spins I was allowed.
So for example, if I spun 3 times during the $10 dollar cycle and only one bomb came out, I would view that cycle as unfavorable, cut my losses at $30 and I would then switch to say the $20 bet cycle, which would reset the template completely, giving me 10 fresh spins. (The one bomb would be removed) My ultimate goal is to accumulate as many bombs as EARLY as possible, because it leads to a higher probability of getting the necessary amount required for the payout by the 10th spin.
At no point in time am I allowed to bet $20 during the $10 cycle; I simply chose to cut my losses early during a specified betting cycle in favor of getting more spins by starting another betting cycle.
It is still risky on my part because I am essentially wasting the amount I bet from the previous cycle; if I have explained it clearly enough you can see that the money I choose to forgo in order for me to switch bet cycles literally goes straight to MyBookie and does nothing to benefit me for the next betting cycle.Comment -
No, MyBookie is the only site I played on; actually it was dumb on my part because what I should have done was look for other sites that actually hosted this game that actually had better withdrawal terms.
It was only because I already had some money in my account with MyBookie initially so I didn't really think to play this game on another platform. Also, they weren't giving me as much trouble back then as they are now.Comment -
Just replied, hope the answers are satisfactory.Comment -
good stuff spencer, thanks for the explanation
that is WAY less shady in my opinion than what i originally thought... still an advantage over the long run, but not as big or as obvious as one
play it out with an advantage, abandon it with a disadvantage, like if i keep playing ultimate x poker if there are more multipliers, abandon it otherwiseComment -
Thank you Spencerho.
Your replies have been detailed and have addressed the issue at hand and nothing else.
I have one further question:
As we know, (in the absence of jackpots) it is unprecedented to have even one player making 300K on a 5K deposit on a slot where the RTP is 96%.
in this case we have 8+ players all on the same slot, all racking up 200k+
In your opinion - what quality or attribute of this particular Slot allowed 8+ players (including you) to all rack up 200k+ ?
We do not need to turn to mathematics - that analysis has already been done and there is no doubt that some attribute or quality of this slot made it > 100% RTP.
In your opinion - what do you think this was?
[Note that based on the answers you have given I think I already know what it was - and I think that when Ace, DTM, others read the last few posts they will work it out too - but here I am asking for your opinion on the matter]Last edited by SportsBettor74; 05-22-21, 09:19 AM.Comment -
"actually it was dumb on my part because what I should have done was look for other sites that actually hosted this game that actually had better withdrawal terms"
This quote implies to me that you knew the slot was a "good earner" and that - whilst you were playing within the rules - you knew that you would be profitable playing this slot on any site. Therefore you wish that you had looked for other sites where you could withdraw your earnings more quickly. Is that correct?Comment -
To be honest I really don't have a definitive answer for you, especially when there are statistics showing how unlikely this scenario is.
However, what I can say is that everything that I stated regarding game functionality is 100% true, and that fortunate players like myself were simply operating under the rules and settings MyBookie provided to every player.
From a personal standpoint, managing risk, identifying win probability and checking my emotions mixed with a good chunk of luck over a long period of time got me to where my account is currently. I can't speak for other players but I am sure that getting to this position was no easy task for any of them.
Whether or not you guys believe it is legit is up to you to decide, I'm just here to express my frustration in regards to my current situation and to give caution to whoever is fortunate enough to be in my position but also unfortunate enough to have to deal with MyBookie.
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Well, this statement was made in hindsight, I only regret not using another platform because I had already accumulated my earnings; now I just wish it was on another platform. Before I played this game, I was just like any other player, I had no idea I would be in the position I am in now.
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Thanks again Spencer.
One more question:
Is it correct to say that (assuming you played a few different slots on the MyBookie site) that ONLY the "Take the xxxx" slot(s) were profitable for you and that you showed a loss for all the other slots you played? Is that correct?Comment -
raider i think more of us would've been 100% behind you if you explained it right away like spencerho did
they made a flawed game (by allowing you to stop -ev sequences and start over), you exploited it
you didn't cheat but you and others got real piggy with it... as i've said before life isn't always black and white, this is one of those gray areas where you certainly weren't 10/10 at faultComment -
Actually, other games were also pretty profitable; games like Take Olympus, Book of Darkness, Reels of Wealth etc. all had their moments; I personally favored Take the Bank because I understood how to manage my risk the best for that specific game and be strategic.
I can tell you I have lost a lot of money playing Take the Bank, but I've also made a lot of money playing it as well.
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Spencer has done a great job in articulating the matter. His comments support the following:
1. The entire post and Matter has been completely validated as true.
2. There was no glitch.
3. The Players do not know one another, did not scheme to all play the same way, nor to take any advantage of an alleged, known "exploit".
4. My Bookie is at 100% fault in this Matter in ad-hoc account disablement and seizing of Player's balances.
4. The Players should be paid.
Thank you Spencer for clearing-up any remaining questions. Appreciate it.Comment -
Thanks.
Would you say that of all the slots you played, the only slot that gave you a net profit was Take the Bank?
Each slot may have their "moments" but when you consider all the wins and all the losses when playing a given slot, would you say it was only Take The Bank where you ended up ahead? Since a typical slot with no glitch has an RTP of 96% I think it would be very surprising if you were to report here that any slot other than "Take the Bank" returned a net profit to you.
To answer this you may have had to keep reasonably detailed records of your play - but I would think you might have an idea about this.Last edited by SportsBettor74; 05-22-21, 11:46 AM.Comment -
Correct Spencer. This has been stated many times. I played 7-10 slot games during the 10-months. Won and lost on all of them. Agree with you about Take The Bank" and the other games. I too played Book of Darkness, Reels of Wealth, and others. These games were also mentioned throughout the post several times. Thanks for attesting.Comment -
I believe the approach from some in this entire post have been very accusatory from the start, and quickly being called a liar, a crook, a scammer, and more; then pouring it on afterwards; all because many just couldn't believe that a Player could have won this amount of money from only one or two slot games. This created frustration and the inability to articulate and "convince" as well as perhaps could have been. I've had to spend most of my time trying to defend myself, versus trying to update the post, relevant to steps in resolution.
Many of you would have felt the same way as I if the situation was reversed. That is where I did not do as good as job as Spencer has. Spencer was not attacked and was able to clarify and articulate better when he began to participate in the post much later on with a clear slate without immediate accusation. Being the first to post this situation, and with the situation involving a very large amount of money, will undoubtedly bring arrows, spears, fire, bombs, and name calling your way. I get that. But it has been excessive and many posters herein completely and automatically discounted any possible avenue that this could have been true and no fault of the Player. Spencer has proven that this is real, that this is true, and that the Players are not at fault. I really appreciate his support and attestation of the situation.
In the end, Spencer and I are correct as I have been and have held firm throughout; regardless of the attacks and accusations when I took the courage to post this bizarre matter with the only premise to seek help from SBR, to protect other potential affected Players, and to warn the rest to be careful.
I hope all the Players affected will be paid, and those whom may wish to play with MYB Casino will be cautious in doing so.Last edited by RAIDER1223; 05-22-21, 11:25 AM.Comment -
The problem is that there is no need to accept a loss, as the game setting allowed players to keep resetting to start the feature again multiple times.
It no longer works that way.
Spencer explained everything to me privately and we are making an attempt to help him. Details can be explained later..Comment -
Hi Optional. Would you be able to elaborate on the above?
We have this: "So for example, if I spun 3 times during the $10 dollar cycle and only one bomb came out, I would view that cycle as unfavorable, cut my losses at $30 and I would then switch to say the $20 bet cycle, which would reset the template completely, giving me 10 fresh spins."
But this quote indicates that there was a need to accept a loss (in this example $30).
Is it the case that the player could switch after (for example) 3 spins with a $0 loss?
Trying to understand what is meant by "there is no need to accept a loss, as the game setting allowed players to keep resetting to start the feature again multiple times"
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Exactly my question as well, thank you for pointing that out Sportsbettor. I am accepting a loss by essentially giving up midway through my bet cycle in order to switch to a new cycle.
Also, switching to a new bet cycle does not guarantee a win either, only more spins. I could easily switch to the next bet cycle and end up losing money during that cycle as well. Just because I did not complete an entire cycle doesn't mean that I am not still losing money due to the cost per spin.
And to answer your question, yes, Take the Bank would be the game I predominantly took the most profit, but this was also because I played it way more than the other games mentioned.
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Thanks for the reply Spencer.
Since all slots are 96% RTP - could you confirm that not only was "Take The Bank" the slot that you predominantly took the most profit from - but that Take The Bank was the ONLY slot you took profit from?
Based on all the above I think the answer is yes - but since you have been so transparent and clear so far - I think your answer to this is important.Comment -
Take the Bank was the slot game I definitely took the MOST profit from, but I also took profit from other slot games as well, such as Reels of Wealth and Take Olympus. I can confidently say this because I remember various times where I hit big jackpots for these games mentioned.
Unfortunately, I can't give you the exact numbers, I wasn't organized enough to take down all the numbers nor do I have access to my account to verify anything, so this is honestly the best answer I can give you.
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Sure, you can say that, but unless you play those games you don't realize that the entire game flow is literally designed where significant profits can pretty only be generated by hitting the jackpots. The rewards you get playing the games are pretty much used to keep you 'in' the game until you either run out of money or hit a jackpot.
You can try it if you'd like, Betsoft also has other games similar to this in regards to gameplay; Take the Bank is also one of these games.
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Cool.Sure, you can say that, but unless you play those games you don't realize that the entire game flow is literally designed where significant profits can pretty only be generated by hitting the jackpots. The rewards you get playing the games are pretty much used to keep you 'in' the game until you either run out of money or hit a jackpot.
Are you aware that the OP has stated that he hit no jackpots in Take the Bank?
Also - based on the reports of emails sent by MYB - are you aware that the ONLY slot at issue in MYB eyes is Take The Bank?
Overall - MYB has confiscated funds and they have quoted Take The Bank in their correspondence. Do you agree that the mention of other slots is not relevant to this discussion?Last edited by SportsBettor74; 05-22-21, 02:03 PM.Comment -
Well done Spencerho. In a couple of hours your posts have clarified as far as possible what went on with this slot. That is something "Raider" was incapable of doing in 3 weeks despite continued questions and requests to clarify and give detail.
All "Raider" did was say "Sir" to anyone who vaguely agreed with him and go off on some semi-literate, rambling, bold and underlined tirade against anyone who had another opinion (a clear sign of someone who is nervous and has something to hide).
It would have been much better if you had started this thread. You are capable of answering questions directly and honestly. "Raider" is not.
Well done again Spencerho.Last edited by Ewan101; 05-23-21, 12:00 AM.Comment
