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  • Stumpage
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    • 09-21-05
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    #1
    Instadebit available again @ Greek
    Just a heads up for anybody who this applies to as there is no Instadebit deposit option for now at Greek. Anybody know how long this has been in effect? Saw the message in the title on Thursday when I attempted a deposit and it's still not available. Wondering if this has been the case longer than that...Anyway, Greek informed me a couple of days ago that they were "working to resolve the issue" but I'm starting to wonder if Instadebit has met it's end at Greek...
    Last edited by Optional; 02-22-19, 08:38 PM. Reason: edit title from unavailable to available again
  • xKMACKx
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    • 11-16-08
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    #2
    Yeah I get a disclaimer when I go through to the deposit page as well.
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    • ronald
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      • 10-31-05
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      #3
      I wonder why this would be?

      Instadebit still seems to be a viable deposit option at Pinnacle.
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      • cobra_king
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        • 08-07-06
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        #4
        This would be a terrible loss for Canadian players who use this option at the Greek. I'm hopeful it is just temporarily down, but i'm beginning to have my doubts.
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        • Optional
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          • 06-10-10
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          #5
          So many issues for Canadians.

          More than Americans these days it feels like.


          The banking industry is obviously way too powerful there. Or has the govt bought and paid for.

          The way the banks were allowed to openly act as a cartel to not allow Quadringa to use the banking system and tie up their funds until the exchange was broken should have Canadians screaming for fairness and more regulation on the traditional banking sector there.


          Remember it was these same Canadian banks who started the worldwide trend to refuse to allow people to buy bitcoin with a credit card "to protect customers form using high interest debt to buy speculative currency"?

          Also notice that now it's pretty much only Canada's banks that still fully stand behind that decision?

          Canada seems to be the home of old school corrupt power broker banking, where they are so powerful they feel like they can act openly as a cartel, and do it with impunity.


          You can bet dollars against donuts that the banking industry is behind squeezing Instadebit out too.
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          • shari91
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            • 02-23-10
            • 32661

            #6
            Canada has a banking system similar to Australia. Very few competitors who are large enough to compete with the Big Five so they have enormous sway over how things are run. They even took a stand when cannibas became legal and refused to offer their full services to businesses in that sector. It's full on creepy when you think about it.
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            • Optional
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              #7
              Originally posted by shari91
              Canada has a banking system similar to Australia. Very few competitors who are large enough to compete with the Big Five so they have enormous sway over how things are run. They even took a stand when cannibas became legal and refused to offer their full services to businesses in that sector. It's full on creepy when you think about it.
              I am sure the Aussie banks would be acting just as badly re bitcoin too, if not for the Banking Royal Commission hammering them so hard.

              Sounds like Canada could use a similar enquiry themselves to me.
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              • Krashman
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                • 07-24-09
                • 3748

                #8
                I just used Instadebit at Pinnacle.

                Probably just down temporarily at the Greek.

                I first used Instadebit to fund online in 2007, it's been around a long time but was never as widely accepted by sport books for some reason, as others such as Moneybookers (Skrill) which became extremely popular very quickly.

                If the banks are squeezing out Instadebit, they sure are taking their time.
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                • icon
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                  • 01-09-18
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                  #9
                  Originally posted by Krashman
                  I just used Instadebit at Pinnacle.

                  Probably just down temporarily at the Greek.

                  I first used Instadebit to fund online in 2007, it's been around a long time but was never as widely accepted by sport books for some reason, as others such as Moneybookers (Skrill) which became extremely popular very quickly.

                  If the banks are squeezing out Instadebit, they sure are taking their time.
                  Instadebit/iDebit is headquartered in Toronto and most if not all of their customers are in Canada, Skrill is Euro based and always had more customers with a wider range of bookies as their is really only one book in Canada but hundreds across Europe..

                  I use iDebit with Pinny/SIA/888sport no problem. I wish Bodog would offer iDebit.
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                  • ronald
                    SBR MVP
                    • 10-31-05
                    • 4918

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Optional
                    So many issues for Canadians.

                    More than Americans these days it feels like.


                    The banking industry is obviously way too powerful there. Or has the govt bought and paid for.

                    The way the banks were allowed to openly act as a cartel to not allow Quadringa to use the banking system and tie up their funds until the exchange was broken should have Canadians screaming for fairness and more regulation on the traditional banking sector there.


                    Remember it was these same Canadian banks who started the worldwide trend to refuse to allow people to buy bitcoin with a credit card "to protect customers form using high interest debt to buy speculative currency"?

                    Also notice that now it's pretty much only Canada's banks that still fully stand behind that decision?

                    Canada seems to be the home of old school corrupt power broker banking, where they are so powerful they feel like they can act openly as a cartel, and do it with impunity.


                    You can bet dollars against donuts that the banking industry is behind squeezing Instadebit out too.
                    Instadebit is being SQUEEZED OUT just because Greek hasn't accepted deposits via this method for a few weeks?

                    Do you know of any books other than the Greek that are having deposit issues with Instadebit?

                    Why do you suppose The Greek continues to process Instadebit withdrawals without issue?
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                    • Optional
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                      • 06-10-10
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                      #11
                      Originally posted by ronald
                      Instadebit is being SQUEEZED OUT just because Greek hasn't accepted deposits via this method for a few weeks?

                      Do you know of any books other than the Greek that are having deposit issues with Instadebit?

                      Why do you suppose The Greek continues to process Instadebit withdrawals without issue?
                      Canadians have been posting about problems with it at Pinny and other books for a while.

                      And about pretty much all CA payment methods on and off, even wires.
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                      • Krashman
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                        • 07-24-09
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                        #12
                        I noticed just recently that there is new anti Denial Of Service integrated in the log in at the Greek.

                        Possibly that has interfered with the functionality of Instadebit deposits, which would take you to the Instadebit website to complete the trnsfer and then back to the Greek.

                        It's just a theory. If that's the case I'm sure they are working on a fix.
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                        • ronald
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                          #13
                          Originally posted by Optional
                          Canadians have been posting about problems with it at Pinny and other books for a while.

                          And about pretty much all CA payment methods on and off, even wires.
                          I have not seen a single post of this nature.

                          Link?
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                          • Optional
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                            #14
                            Originally posted by ronald

                            I have not seen a single post of this nature.

                            Link?
                            You know where the search box is you don't believe me Ronald.

                            A Canadian or two reading might chime in too if they like.
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                            • ronald
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                              #15
                              Originally posted by Optional
                              You know where the search box is you don't believe me Ronald.

                              A Canadian or two reading might chime in too if they like.
                              I have used the search box.

                              The search box doesn't help in finding something that doesn't exist.
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                              • Krashman
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                                #16
                                Originally posted by icon
                                Instadebit/iDebit is headquartered in Toronto and most if not all of their customers are in Canada, Skrill is Euro based and always had more customers with a wider range of bookies as their is really only one book in Canada but hundreds across Europe..

                                I use iDebit with Pinny/SIA/888sport no problem. I wish Bodog would offer iDebit.
                                I've been told by some books that Instadebit and Idebit are the same, but anytime I started to use Idebit, it seems different. If I remember correctly it seems to bypass the Instadebit wallet and only be able to use your bank account directly. So I have never used it as I usually have funds I want to use in the Instadebit wallet, and they remain in USD currency when held in the wallet.. saves on fees.

                                I've used Interac e-transfers with Bodog, very cheap and works well. But I've used strictly Bitcoin there the last couple years.

                                Canada used to have Moneybookers, which rebranded to Skrill. It was the most popular option when it was available to us. I used Skrill for practically ALL poker rooms and Sports books, as did most Canadians until they inexplicably stopped allowing Canadian Gambling transactions 6 or 7 years ago.
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                                • Optional
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                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by ronald
                                  I have used the search box.

                                  The search box doesn't help in finding something that doesn't exist.
                                  From December until recently, there has been a constant flow of Canadians posting about payout delays and methods coming on and off availability. Every method apart from bitcoin was off for a short period at Pinny.

                                  Here's a few of the threads from he last few weeks








                                  My opinion that the CA banking system is heavily against alternative money transfer methods, and Greeks problems may be connected, is just a theory. I was mostly just ranting about the CA banking system in general. If you read what they did to Quadringa you might agree. Alert Pay is another example of them unfairly refusing service to squeeze a legal competitor out of Canada.
                                  Last edited by Optional; 02-22-19, 05:18 PM.
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                                  • Krashman
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                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by Optional
                                    You know where the search box is you don't believe me Ronald.

                                    A Canadian or two reading might chime in too if they like.
                                    I had troubles getting my funds out by bank transfer from European books a few years back, after Skrill dumped Canada.

                                    This was caused by the European banks use a system called 'IBAN' whereas the North American banks use the 'SWIFT' system. Seems to cause confusion and compatibility problems.

                                    Other than that, the main problem I've had since Skrill dumped us has been finding another option that is accepted at more than a few books. I had Instadebit at Pinny and the Greek, Eco card at a few others, P2P transfers here and there. Most options were expensive (not Instadebit, it's one of the cheapest)

                                    However since Bitcoin came along, things have improved since it's accepted at more and more books but now it's starting to look iffy if the banks are fighting it.
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                                    • ronald
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                                      • 10-31-05
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                                      #19
                                      Originally posted by Optional
                                      From December until recently, there has been a constant flow of Canadians posting about payout delays and methods coming on and off availability. Every method apart from bitcoin was off for a short period at Pinny.

                                      Here's a few of the threads from he last few weeks








                                      My opinion that the CA banking system is heavily against alternative money transfer methods, and Greeks problems may be connected, is just a theory. I was mostly just ranting about the CA banking system in general. If you read what they did to Quadringa you might agree. Alert Pay is another example of them unfairly refusing service to squeeze a legal competitor out of Canada.
                                      I checked the entire first thread that you referenced and there was not one single mention of Instadebit.

                                      Should I even bother checking the other threads you referenced?
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                                      • Optional
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                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by ronald

                                        I checked the entire first thread that you referenced and there was not one single mention of Instadebit.

                                        Should I even bother checking the other threads you referenced?
                                        That's up to you Ronnie. I tried to explain twice where I am coming from for you. Whatever point you're trying to make here is lost on me anyway, so I don't give a rats what you do. ;-)
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                                        • icon
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                                          #21
                                          Originally posted by Optional
                                          That's up to you Ronnie. I tried to explain twice where I am coming from for you. Whatever point you're trying to make here is lost on me anyway, so I don't give a rats what you do. ;-)
                                          Maybe you're trying too hard mate. You were way off about things in the bitcoin for Canada thread as well.

                                          There are no issues with instadebit or iDebit at Pinnacle, the only issues I've noticed from Pinny are their wire payment issues and that is affecting many countries as well as Canada.
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                                          • icon
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                                            #22
                                            Originally posted by Krashman
                                            I've been told by some books that Instadebit and Idebit are the same, but anytime I started to use Idebit, it seems different. If I remember correctly it seems to bypass the Instadebit wallet and only be able to use your bank account directly. So I have never used it as I usually have funds I want to use in the Instadebit wallet, and they remain in USD currency when held in the wallet.. saves on fees.

                                            I've used Interac e-transfers with Bodog, very cheap and works well. But I've used strictly Bitcoin there the last couple years.

                                            Canada used to have Moneybookers, which rebranded to Skrill. It was the most popular option when it was available to us. I used Skrill for practically ALL poker rooms and Sports books, as did most Canadians until they inexplicably stopped allowing Canadian Gambling transactions 6 or 7 years ago.
                                            Yeah iDebit/Instadebit are the same company but use different methods for funding. iDebit logs in directly to your bank acct and transfers the money instantly to the book whereas Instadebit requests an EFT from a bank account you link to your Instadebit acct and it takes a couple of days to clear the bank.

                                            The only benefit iDebit has is that you can fund from different banks while at Instadebit you can only fund from one specified bank acct.

                                            Interac with Bodog? I don't see that option but they do have direct bank transfer. I know Sports Interaction offers Interac etransfer as a deposit option.

                                            Skrill was great, once you figured out how to properly format/input the banking details into their system for wire payments, often if I requested a payout from Skrill at 10pm the funds were in my TD acct by noon the next day here in Canada.
                                            Last edited by icon; 02-22-19, 08:07 PM.
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                                            • Stumpage
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                                              #23
                                              Instadebit issues apparently resolved at Greek. Just noticed that the 10 day old "Processor unavailable" message had been removed, made a deposit and it went through immediately without any issues...
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                                              • icon
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                                                • 01-09-18
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                                                #24
                                                Originally posted by Stumpage
                                                Instadebit issues apparently resolved at Greek. Just noticed that the 10 day old "Processor unavailable" message had been removed, made a deposit and it went through immediately without any issues...
                                                Great news, appears as though the banking system in Canada decided against putting the squeeze on payment processors located here!
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                                                • Optional
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                                                  #25
                                                  Originally posted by icon

                                                  Maybe you're trying too hard mate. You were way off about things in the bitcoin for Canada thread as well.

                                                  There are no issues with instadebit or iDebit at Pinnacle, the only issues I've noticed from Pinny are their wire payment issues and that is affecting many countries as well as Canada.
                                                  Did you miss the Haute Savoie guy that was spamming the forum with about 40 posts about not being able to get a wire or idebit/instadebit to Canada a week or so ago?

                                                  There are also more questions asked about money transfer issues for Canadians than any other non-US country by a long way.

                                                  But, you're right, there hasn't been many Instadebit problems apart from that.
                                                  Last edited by Optional; 02-22-19, 08:34 PM.
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                                                  • icon
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                                                    #26
                                                    Originally posted by Optional
                                                    I was mostly just ranting about the CA banking system in general. If you read what they did to Quadringa you might agree.
                                                    It turns out that the banks acted appropriately with Quadriga after all. It has been revealed that the reason CIBC froze Quadrigas account(s) and their processor (which is linked to Quadriga) and some high value money orders is because they noticed attempted transfers of over a million dollars from business accts to personal bank accts of some of the higher ups at Quad. CIBC became suspicious and froze accts and contacted the authorities.

                                                    It now appears as though Quadriga was operating fractionally starting in late 2017 and through 2018 and realized they were heading towards insolvency. Speculation is that when those in charge realized they would not be in business for much longer and that collapse was inevitable that they decided to start taking what wasn't theirs.

                                                    Originally posted by Optional
                                                    Did you miss the Haute Savoie guy that was spamming the forum with about 40 posts about not being able to get a wire or idebit/instadebit to Canada a week or so ago?
                                                    I saw his posts and also that Shari edited one because of his constant copy/paste of the same shit over and over so I ignored him and his posts after that.
                                                    Last edited by icon; 02-22-19, 08:30 PM.
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                                                    • Optional
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                                                      #27
                                                      Originally posted by icon

                                                      It turns out that the banks acted appropriately with Quadriga after all. It has been revealed that the reason CIBC froze Quadrigas account(s) and their processor (which is linked to Quadriga) and some high value money orders is because they noticed attempted transfers of over a million dollars from business accts to personal bank accts of some of the higher ups at Quad. CIBC became suspicious and froze accts and contacted the authorities.

                                                      It now appears as though Quadriga was operating fractionally starting in late 2017 and through 2018 and realized they were heading towards insolvency. Speculation is that when those in charge realized they would not be in business for much longer that they decided to start taking what wasn't theirs.
                                                      I considered the banks refusal to comply quickly and fully with the court order saying they were wrong to hold those funds as pretty damning.

                                                      And the entire industries refusal to give them a business banking account as even more questionable.

                                                      I also saw from quite closely how they chased down the operators Alert pay a decade ago.


                                                      But you've been following it closer than me by the sounds, so you may be right.
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                                                      • icon
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                                                        #28
                                                        Originally posted by Optional
                                                        I considered the banks refusal to comply quickly and fully with the court order saying they were wrong to hold those funds as pretty damning.

                                                        And the entire industries refusal to give them a business banking account as even more questionable.

                                                        I also saw from quite closely how they chased down the operators Alert pay a decade ago.


                                                        But you've been following it closer than me by the sounds, so you may be right.
                                                        Its true that Canadian banks hate anything associated with bitcoin/crypto and have been giving both citizens and bitcoin businesses a hard time by refusing service and or closing accts having any activity related to or from bitcoin but with regard to Quadriga there was nothing inappropriate. Canadian banks are notoriously conservative and old school but they are also regarded as part of one of the strongest banking systems in the world. They go out of their way to make things difficult for bitcoiners.

                                                        Since Quad filed for creditor protection there has been quite a lot of investigative reporting being done as well as information being made public through the court proceedings. At one time Quad was big and operating ethically but they went bad quickly once they faced financial pressure. They also had an office location at one point but some time along the journey Quad operated without a physical location and had no employees. It also appears as though they were connected to a well known scammer from California using an alias ( the operator of the processor Quad used).

                                                        Quite sketchy/dodgy and new unflattering details emerge almost daily. I'm glad I got my money from them and stopped dealing with them in early 2018 after they couldn't send me my requested payout within their promised timeframe.

                                                        It was also a very convenient time to "die" in India for Gerald Cotten. It was getting a little too hot in Canada for his liking.
                                                        Last edited by icon; 02-22-19, 08:52 PM.
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                                                        • xKMACKx
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                                                          #29
                                                          I still have the disclaimer on my account saying it's unavailable. They may have pulled it again.

                                                          Discard: I just refreshed the cache and the message is gone.
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                                                          • xKMACKx
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                                                            #30
                                                            Originally posted by icon
                                                            Its true that Canadian banks hate anything associated with bitcoin/crypto and have been giving both citizens and bitcoin businesses a hard time by refusing service and or closing accts having any activity related to or from bitcoin but with regard to Quadriga there was nothing inappropriate. Canadian banks are notoriously conservative and old school but they are also regarded as part of one of the strongest banking systems in the world. They go out of their way to make things difficult for bitcoiners.

                                                            Since Quad filed for creditor protection there has been quite a lot of investigative reporting being done as well as information being made public through the court proceedings. At one time Quad was big and operating ethically but they went bad quickly once they faced financial pressure. They also had an office location at one point but some time along the journey Quad operated without a physical location and had no employees. It also appears as though they were connected to a well known scammer from California using an alias ( the operator of the processor Quad used).

                                                            Quite sketchy/dodgy and new unflattering details emerge almost daily. I'm glad I got my money from them and stopped dealing with them in early 2018 after they couldn't send me my requested payout within their promised timeframe.

                                                            It was also a very convenient time to "die" in India for Gerald Cotten. It was getting a little too hot in Canada for his liking.
                                                            Convenient place to "die". I ran for the hills when my withdrawal took over a month in January of 2018.
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                                                            • Stumpage
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                                                              #31
                                                              Originally posted by xKMACKx
                                                              I still have the disclaimer on my account saying it's unavailable. They may have pulled it again.

                                                              Discard: I just refreshed the cache and the message is gone.
                                                              Yes; Same thing happening here. So I guess it's "kinda" fixed but obviously still blotchy. I'll report in again if and when I attempt an Instadebit withdrawal...
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                                                              • littleman0909
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                                                                #32
                                                                I withdrew on 2/20 to my Bank via idebit. It's now the 28th and still nothing. Transaction status says "successful" but no funds in the account. Met another fellow with the exact same problem.
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                                                                • energizer
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                                                                  #33
                                                                  TD credits incoming transfers around 9PM up to 11PM ET. I would wait until 11PM ET to check for incoming transfers.

                                                                  I deal frequently with instadebit/TD and they always debit/credit around that time.

                                                                  If you requested withdrawal on Feb 20th, 5 business days have passed and today would be the 6th business day. So wait until 11PM ET.



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