Declining bonuses and roll-over?

**The General** · 05-20-09, 11:57 PM

Call the book(s) and ask for this. Many books require a minimum 1X roll to cover banking fees associated.

Welcome to SBR

**Peep** · 05-21-09, 12:19 AM

I would sign up for the -105 deal at Betpheonix. Gives u good margins.

**bobbyfk** · 05-21-09, 12:23 AM

good luck in your search

**byronbb** · 05-21-09, 12:46 AM

you can forgo the bonus on Pinny if you wish to withdrawl before the rollover. Also, bankroll management.

**pjesnik24** · 05-21-09, 04:48 AM

almost any bookie will let you play without their bonuses. that is what they actually want from players. bonuses are just to attract new players

**darrell74** · 05-21-09, 04:51 AM

Bookmaker

**joemcfly** · 05-21-09, 07:44 AM

Thanks for the tips guys, will check out those mentioned. And thanks for the welcome General

**Willie Bee** · 05-21-09, 10:30 AM

Howdy Joe and welcome

If I had a dollar for every complaint or issue we got from players that started with, "I deposited $500 and got a 20% bonus at XYZ sportsbook..." I would finally be able to buy this little 5-acre lot I've had my eye on for a while. Any book that WON'T allow you to sign up and post up without getting involved in some bonus/rollover deal should be a book you pass on by.

**Shark79** · 05-21-09, 10:36 AM

Welcome Joe.

JustBet if you ask will decline your bonus.

BetGuardian (105 Club) does not allow you to take bonuses, but has the 5 cent line.

These are 2 good options for you.

**unknown Gambler** · 05-21-09, 10:49 AM

Open an account with Bookmaker, waive the bonus, then open up an account with betfirstclass, when your ready to cash out transfer your funds to betfirstclass for 25$, then make a few small plays there,then make a same day cash out.

**pavyracer** · 05-21-09, 10:59 AM

What you need to do is open up accounts at 2 books. Since you are that good in turning $2,000 into $10,000 in one book with bonuses you can turn $1,000 into $5,000 at two books simultaneously. Once you do this start betting opposite sides at the two books and you will fullfil your rollover requirement minus the juice.

This is how I do it.

**Weezy F.** · 05-21-09, 11:06 AM

Betjamaica. You can decline the reload bonus and all others.

**DwightShrute** · 05-21-09, 11:47 AM

betguardian.com

105 juice club - no bonus can be taken in the club

**G's pks** · 05-21-09, 11:50 AM

maybe I am confused...I am thinking the rollover would have been 12k... 2x6...?

**DukeJohn** · 05-21-09, 11:56 AM

Originally posted by G's pks

maybe I am confused...I am thinking the rollover would have been 12k... 2x6...?

He probably deposited $2k got a $1k bonus, so that would be $3k x 6 = $18K, would be my guess...

**twister** · 05-21-09, 11:59 AM

Originally posted by G's pks

maybe I am confused...I am thinking the rollover would have been 12k... 2x6...?

Cash PLUS bonus.

$2k deposit. I presume a 50% bonus, thus cash + bonus becomes $3k. 3x6 = $18k.

Edit: beaten to it.

**G's pks** · 05-21-09, 12:33 PM

Thanks guys...I get it now...big difference between the 2k and 3k!

**cinpls081** · 05-21-09, 02:34 PM

you could have declined the bonus at bet us they allow you to do it. I recently gave them 2K and got a 900 free play bonus THEY CLEARLY explained to me what my options were over the phone. The girl even suggested to me to not take the bonus. i should have listened to her as I have 14500 in action and baseball only counts 50% of the play bet 800 to make 500 and it only counts for .50%!! 29k IN BASEBALL ACTION BEWARE ITS NOT WORTH IT. I do have to say that I was clearly told what the deal is so its my fault there was another deal I could have taken I'm glad I didn't were your money is held for at least 60 days and you have a bigger rollover maybe 6 or 7 times

**BET THE HOOK** · 05-21-09, 06:47 PM

BetPhoenix and Bet Jamaica are both good books and you can decline bonuses as well as get quick payouts.

**joemcfly** · 05-23-09, 03:06 AM

Originally posted by cinpls081

you could have declined the bonus at bet us they allow you to do it. I recently gave them 2K and got a 900 free play bonus THEY CLEARLY explained to me what my options were over the phone. The girl even suggested to me to not take the bonus. i should have listened to her as I have 14500 in action and baseball only counts 50% of the play bet 800 to make 500 and it only counts for .50%!! 29k IN BASEBALL ACTION BEWARE ITS NOT WORTH IT. I do have to say that I was clearly told what the deal is so its my fault there was another deal I could have taken I'm glad I didn't were your money is held for at least 60 days and you have a bigger rollover maybe 6 or 7 times

BetUS were unfortunately not as clear in my case. They stated the 6x roll-over requirement, but I thought that was for the bonus only.

It was my first time with any sportsbook, and obviously, I should have read up somewhere like here first.

It seemed alien to me that they would hold ALL of your money captive until you'd make 6x the original bank. Putting $2K in and requiring $18K worth of "action" before a penny can be drawn out is insanity. I was also surprised to see that, despite this, the "free play" bonus doesn't act like real cash when it's played...

I put $1K on MLB, won $590 back, and the $1K disappeared vs. being returned as the wager.

I guess it's more like an overdraft facility than real money... and certainly doesn't warrant the risk of requiring a 900% ROI before a penny can be extracted!

Thanks for the advice, everyone. I'll do as you're each suggesting and set up multiple accounts with the better books.

-J

**MadTiger** · 05-23-09, 06:12 AM

Originally posted by pavyracer

What you need to do is open up accounts at 2 books. Since you are that good in turning $2,000 into $10,000 in one book with bonuses you can turn $1,000 into $5,000 at two books simultaneously. Once you do this start betting opposite sides at the two books and you will fullfil your rollover requirement minus the juice.

This is how I do it.

That is a good method. Bonus Whore Bustout.

**Igetp2s** · 05-23-09, 11:28 PM

Originally posted by joemcfly

Hi there,

I've tried searching for this answer, but couldn't find it - apologies if this is a re-post.

I'm looking for a sports book that has NO bonuses, or at least, allows me the option of declining them.

I was with BetUS for a while (before realizing how sly some of their tactics were) and built up a good bank... $10K from $2K starting. Unfortunately, what they did not tell me upon sign-up was the roll-over requirement was 6x (cash + bonuses), so I needed to play $18K before they'd pay a penny out.

Of course, I got my bank to around $10K, and then ended up blowing the lot.

I'd love to be able to cash out a lot sooner next time.

Any recommend SBs with decent margins, no bonuses, and payouts on the first win?

Thanks, J

So you built up $2k to around $10k, then lost all $10k before managing to wager $18k total? Thats almost impossible to do, unless playing extremely recklessly. If this story is true, declining bonuses should be the least of your concerns.

**exstatman** · 05-24-09, 12:10 AM

Caribsports may have the worst "bonus" out there. IMHO. You deposit up to $500, get a 50% "bonus" with a 5x rollover. No problem so far, right? Oh wait, if you make a withdraw, you forfeit the bonus, So you get a $250 "bonus" but only get it if you lose everything you deposited. So if you deposit, run through the rollover, and try to withdraw, you lose whatever "bonus" you may have received. Is it a bonus if you have no possibility of receiving it?

**Santo** · 05-24-09, 12:49 AM

That bonus actually has substantial equity.

**Peep** · 05-24-09, 10:11 AM

So you built up $2k to around $10k, then lost all $10k before managing to wager $18k total? Thats almost impossible to do, unless playing extremely recklessly. If this story is true, declining bonuses should be the least of your concerns.

I don't think the guy should be concerned at all. He built his money up to 10K rapidly by being aggressive, and went down the same way.

Just the way he likes to gamble. He might have bet all 18K on on bet. If he had better luck, he could have went to 36K instead of going broke.

Just because you like to grind does not mean that is the only way to be a successful gambler. Have a little tolerance and understanding, realize that there are "different strokes for different folks".

**MBENZ** · 05-24-09, 11:36 AM

Originally posted by Peep

I don't think the guy should be concerned at all. He built his money up to 10K rapidly by being aggressive, and went down the same way.

Just the way he likes to gamble. He might have bet all 18K on on bet. If he had better luck, he could have went to 36K instead of going broke.

Just because you like to grind does not mean that is the only way to be a successful gambler. Have a little tolerance and understanding, realize that there are "different strokes for different folks".

Not everybody has the cake to move around like you Peep,plus you have that gold mine of fade material at your disposal.

**losturmarbles** · 05-24-09, 11:40 AM

matchbook.

**Peep** · 05-24-09, 12:02 PM

Originally posted by MBENZ

Not everybody has the cake to move around like you Peep,plus you have that gold mine of fade material at your disposal.

LOL.

Can't find my homeboy 5 Star's picks for today.......

**heathcliffm** · 05-24-09, 02:58 PM

Originally posted by exstatman

Caribsports may have the worst "bonus" out there. IMHO. You deposit up to $500, get a 50% "bonus" with a 5x rollover. No problem so far, right? Oh wait, if you make a withdraw, you forfeit the bonus, So you get a $250 "bonus" but only get it if you lose everything you deposited. So if you deposit, run through the rollover, and try to withdraw, you lose whatever "bonus" you may have received. Is it a bonus if you have no possibility of receiving it?

thats a great bonus actually its more like credit line that does not have to be repaid!

**Igetp2s** · 05-24-09, 10:50 PM

Originally posted by Peep

I don't think the guy should be concerned at all. He built his money up to 10K rapidly by being aggressive, and went down the same way.

Just the way he likes to gamble. He might have bet all 18K on on bet. If he had better luck, he could have went to 36K instead of going broke.

Just because you like to grind does not mean that is the only way to be a successful gambler. Have a little tolerance and understanding, realize that there are "different strokes for different folks".

I stand by what I said. He's blaming a book for having a rollover requirement? And he's blaming them because he lost $10k very quickly? That's what you consider a successful gambler? It looks like he's just looking for a scapegoat for losing.

**sofos** · 05-25-09, 01:08 AM

When you bet you place yourself under a serious handicapp since you pay some juice to the book. Look at the bonus as a way to make up some for this handicapp. It seems to me that declining a bonus may be mucho but it is terrible money management. I suppose if you deposited someplace intending to bet everything once because you were onto a "sure" thing declining the bonus may make sense. Unfortunately "sure" things don't make sense either.