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    Oddsmaker Sportsbook stiffs player for $45,000

    Oddsmaker Sportsbook stiffs player for $45,000

    Oddsmaker Sportsbook (SBR rating F) has confiscated $45,000 from a winning bettor. The player wagered with Oddsmaker on and off for three years, losing in the neighborhood of $5,000 prior to the start of 2012. The player, who will be referred to as "Paul" throughout this article, was tempted to reload his betting account after being enticed by a 50% cash bonus.

    Oddsmaker's high bonuses sucked Paul in
    Paul deposited $1,000 via CC on December 29th. He received a 50% cash bonus with a 10X rollover, and wagered $1,500 (deposit+bonus) on a football game. Paul lost his bet but managed to profit $300 from betting the opposite side at another sportsbook.

    Paul had the itch to send Oddsmaker another deposit, noting that the sportsbook is frequently late to move lines, even offering middling opportunities. Middling is the act of placing wagers on opposite teams with differing pointspreads. Paul gave Oddsmaker a call to ask if he could again redeem the 50% cash bonus he had lost a day before. Oddsmaker said he wasn't eligible for the bonus, but offered a different promotion before he hung up - a 100% cash bonus, this time with a 20X rollover. Paul eagerly accepted the offer. Paul told SBR that meeting 10X, 20X or greater in rollover is no problem for him with his betting style. Paul re-deposited $1,000 on December 30th.

    Paul turns his 100% reload bonus into thousands of dollars
    After re-depositing $1,000, Paul targeted a game to unload his balance and bonus on. He played every day, eventually increasing his balance to more than $10,000. Paul attempted to exploit small edges by monitoring programs like SBR Odds, Donbest or similar and comparing the numbers offered by other sportsbooks to Oddsmaker - including sportsbooks based in Las Vegas, where Paul resides.

    Paul discovers Oddsmaker's MO, decides to middle way out
    After his balance hit the $12,000 mark, Paul caught wind of Oddsmaker's reputation while perusing a gaming reviews site. After realizing Oddsmaker was considered a shady sportsbook and one to be avoided, Paul decided the prudent move was to middle his way out of the sportsbook. Paul recounts placing six different $2,000 wagers one weekend. He placed picks he thought would lose, and bet the opposite side at Las Vegas sportsbooks. It wasn't Paul's weekend, as each of the six wagers won in his Oddsmaker account. Paul's balance ballooned up to more than $20,000. Paul decided to pick his spots more carefully, and continued his strategy of placing wagers he expected to lose. He began to ignore the previous +EV (expected value) opportunities that once attracted him. After his balance reached $28,000, he decided it was time to test the waters so he requested an $8,000 payment on January 10th, 2012. Oddsmaker told him that his payment was too large to be sent at once, so he would receive two withdrawals in consecutive weeks.

    Oddsmaker stalls Paul's $8,000 payout request
    When two weeks passed with no tracking number from Oddsmaker, Paul called to ask for an update. He was told that payout inquiries needed to be made via email. After sending email as requested, Oddsmaker replied with the exact same message six times in as many days:
    Oddsmaker Sportsbook: This email concerns your recent ticket: RE: Withdrawal Confirmation (***-***-*****)
    As part of our commitment to improving your customer support experience, we would like to know how you think we are doing. You are invited to complete a short satisfaction survey consisting of just a few multiple-choice questions.
    It should take you no more than a minute to complete (we promise!). To take the survey, please click on the following link: {omitted**. Your feedback is very important to us and we really appreciate your time.
    On February 6th, Paul was delighted when a $4,000 check arrived at his doorstep. He proceeded to place what he claims was more than one hundred additional wagers, still attempting to lose his funds in Oddsmaker.

    Paul's balance hits $45,000, still no second $4,000 payment
    On February 17th, his balance was at its highest - a whopping $45,000. Paul stopped wagering with Oddsmaker and picked up the emails, sometimes sending ten a day. Finally, feeling desperate, Paul fired off a more aggressively worded message, indicating that he was considering contacting an attorney.

    Paul to Oddsmaker: I asked for this payout almost 2 months ago and still no tracking number. At this point I am deciding whether or not to contact an attorney. For the first time in my life I stopped gambling because I am afraid of winning. Last week on Friday and Saturday I bet over $35k and lost about 18k with your company. This should not be hard for someone to verify. This week I will bet nothing and lose nothing. Your company will lose thousands of dollars with the juice alone without my action. Since this does not seem to concern anyone it leaves me to believe that I'm getting stiffed and need to hire a lawyer. Does this answer your question on how I think you guys are doing?
    Oddsmaker closes account and confiscates all winnings
    On February 20th, he received a telephone call from Oddsmaker's head of fraud Tony Massina. Tony told Paul that he was in big trouble. Paul's statement of considering legal action landed him in hot water with Oddsmaker brass, who observed that comment from Paul but not the dozens of previous messages begging for an update on his payment. Paul was told that his account was disabled and that he was done at Oddsmaker. Paul broke down, explaining that he's not a professional gambler, that this is life-changing money for a hard working Las Vegas employee whose had a gambling habit for the last 25 years. At one point during this conversation, Tony allegedly barked at Paul to shut his mouth and listen or he would be hung up on and never spoken to again. Tony said that the decision came from above and nothing could be done; Paul's message constituted a threat, and the decision was final. Paul was told he would receive his $2,000 in deposits back and nothing more.

    Paul contacts SBR
    On February 21st, Paul contacted Sportsbook Review. An SBR dispute analyst spoke with Paul for more than an hour, gathering the facts and listening to him. Paul started to repeat himself, saying he hasn't slept or ate normally since being delivered the crushing blow by Oddsmaker. SBR followed up with Tony Massina, receiving the following statement:
    Oddsmaker Tony Massina: I was going to ignore this but I will respond one time and one time only because I am a straight shooter. Customer lied. Customer responded to an email survey from us saying he was considering contacting lawyers to get his withdrawals faster. Nobody in the industry needs that. On top of the customer admitting to owning his own website and to being a professional bettor (he admitted to both), camels back was broken when he threatened to contact lawyers. Decision was not mine but I am aware of the case. Customer had $2000 refunded to him and got a check for $4000 as well. Have a good day.
    Paul has denied Tony's (irrelevant) assertion of being a professional gambler. Paul claims to have told Tony just the opposite when begging to be paid his balance. Paul told SBR he has lost thousands of his savings by betting the opposite side of his Oddsmaker picks at various sportsbooks. He told SBR that he couldn't lose at Oddsmaker, no matter what he bet.

    Paul's experience is just one of many terrifying ordeals players have had with Oddsmaker. Oddsmaker is an F-rated company in the scam sportsbook blacklist, having confiscated $248,432 to date in player winnings. Players are advised to avoid the sportsbook at all costs. Its signup bonuses are used as a device to solicit deposits from players; all players with a clue are shown the door, without their balances. The scam sportsbook has cited "professional play" in many of the confiscations, and has now branched out to blaming a player's desperate tone in one of his dozens of emails for justifying robbing him. | Read Paul's plea to Oddsmaker

    SBR will update this report.
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    Great write up Lou , thanks for the detailed information I hope something can be done for " Paul " it looks like a long shot with those crooks.

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    More disturbing activity at oddsmaker. Complete scam these guys. Something should be done about this group. This "Tony Massina" acts like he is doing "Paul" a favor by giving him back his deposits. Oddsmaker is nothing more than slimy thieves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mikail View Post
    More disturbing activity at oddsmaker. Complete scam these guys. Something should be done about this group. This "Tony Massina" acts like he is doing "Paul" a favor by giving him back his deposits. Oddsmaker is nothing more than slimy thieves.
    Yeah, this type of stuff is flat out wrong.

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    man i feel bad for this guy...i hope they pay him something to calm his nerves..i played at oddsmaker along time ago and i cashed out 2,000 but it did take almost 3 weeks..which sucked

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    Wow, this is wholly and completely disturbing. Shame on oddsmaker.

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    I have received many promotions in the mail from them and I'm glad I didn't get lured in by them.

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    This bull**** makes me realy MAD . Huge shame on ODDsMaker

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    wow that is terrible hope he gets paid in the end.

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    do they still advertise on any forums?

    i know they used to in the past but i haven't seen them lately anywhere

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    Wow what a terrible story and terrible position to be in.

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    Poster trytrytry also had a large balance confiscated by them.

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    What is wrong to to find a attoreny, but i doubt you can get anything back from their ceo joh ross even you win the case . The best way is just go to their office and try to talk out with those ppl .

    Beside what is wrong to be pro bettor .

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    I'm sure he got burned. I'm not sure about the playing the opposites in Vegas part. Maybe it is the way this is written.

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    Similar thing happened to me years ago, they accused me of being a professional bettor and closed my account. I deposited around 5k, ran it up to 20k, and boom, account closed without notice. They just gave me the runaround "this is a FINAL DECISION from above" yadayadayada. Well, I went ahead and charged back the 5k in deposits and a few days later a refund on my entire balance came through, which I wasn't aware they were going to do. So in the end I came away with 5,000 in profit and they got all mad at me because they already refunded my original deposit and I still charged back the deposited amount. I told them "this is a FINAL DECISION" and hung up on them and blocked their number and email, and that was the end of my business with oddsmaker.

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    Oh man, Oddsmaker once had me with their free $100 promotion about 3 years ago, sign up get $100 free and it had some ludicrus restrictions on it that you couldn't bet parlays or that you had to end up with between 1500 to 2k without going over and then you could get to keep anything over 1k, but at least one bet had to be a certain size, it was rediculous, and I actually won it.

    Took about 18 operaters over there reviewing my account to confirm that I actually won the promotion without violating the terms, you would have thought that the world ended over there, they didn't know what to do. It took me about 30 times talking to people, and them keep saying I didn't do it, before I actually got paid. I guess I"m lucky I even got paid, then I joined this site, saw the reviews and quickly switched to a different book.

    Hope they pay this guy, that is just wrong.

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    Thanks for taking the time to write your experiences LSU and Isotopes. This is very far from an isolated incident.

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    What a scam shop.. I feel awful for this dude. fuk them.

    thank god SBR is around, and increasing in spreading awareness.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lsuheat911 View Post
    Similar thing happened to me years ago, they accused me of being a professional bettor and closed my account. I deposited around 5k, ran it up to 20k, and boom, account closed without notice. They just gave me the runaround "this is a FINAL DECISION from above" yadayadayada. Well, I went ahead and charged back the 5k in deposits and a few days later a refund on my entire balance came through, which I wasn't aware they were going to do. So in the end I came away with 5,000 in profit and they got all mad at me because they already refunded my original deposit and I still charged back the deposited amount. I told them "this is a FINAL DECISION" and hung up on them and blocked their number and email, and that was the end of my business with oddsmaker.
    Glad to see that someone finally screwed them instead of them screwing you. Way to go!!

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    i have dealt with odds maker a few times in the past and with mr. asshole tony aka head of security, that book needs closed and if anyone has ever deposited using **** or ** should charge back NOW!!!! most banks give u 90-120 to file charge backs I work in the bank industry and if u need my help just inbox me have a great day and F U tony!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Samson420 View Post
    Glad to see that someone finally screwed them instead of them screwing you. Way to go!!
    they still screwed him over 10K but at least he got something out of them

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    How have these assholes not been skinned alive and dipped in salt water? Just one day I want to hear about these scamming fukks getting their justice served.

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    Tragic case, but dont people check company reputations/reviews etc before putting 1000s of dollars into an internet company? This scam bookmaker is just the same as the myriad of other scams floating around, such as boiler rooms, landbanking etc and easily avoided.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dealer wins View Post
    Tragic case, but dont people check company reputations/reviews etc before putting 1000s of dollars into an internet company? This scam bookmaker is just the same as the myriad of other scams floating around, such as boiler rooms, landbanking etc and easily avoided.
    A majority of players don't, unfortunately.

    We'll be posting an update later today.

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    Thanks Lou and look forward to the update. As I feel for the poster in the story, hopefully he/she can learn from their mistakes and move forward. That's all any of us really can do in life. I only wish there were more options like SBR, but then again this activity isn't legal in the US.

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    Here's a little tip:

    This is just one thing I've paid close attention to over the years.

    When you are dealing with a professional company, it is not normal that they send you literature

    or mail/email with spelling and/or grammatical errors.

    Often, when checking your email inbox, many of the fraudulent emails contain all sorts of spelling/grammatical errors.

    I wouldn't expect this from a professional company.

    In Oddsmaker's case, not only is there a ton of text on their homepage, but the grammar is poor in places. Usually the crap books use a great deal of text trying to convince the unsuspecting that they are a good book. You don't see a lot of text on the websites for 5Dimes or Bookmaker, as it's just not necessary.

    On Oddsmaker's homepage is the following (look for grammatical errors (run-on sentences), misspellings, etc.:

    Sportsbook and Sports Betting at oddsmaker.ag

    Oddsmaker.AG is a Sportsbook site that is considered to be the best online sports betting site on the Internet. Site offers many sports book odds from football, basketball, college football lines, and baseball values. Join today to take advantage of all the great offers this sports book offer. There are lots of sportsbook review sites on the internet that write about the best online wagering sites that offer true odds. We have the latest online sportsbook technology from real time gambling to up to the minute line, scores and updates. At this sports book, we also prop lines from football, basketball, college basketball, college football and baseball. Also to make a note, Oddsmaker.ag has been around since 1998 and it’s truly one of the oldest books online.
    Online Sportsbook and betting online at Oddsmaker.ag

    Online Sportsbook odds on football, basketball, college football, nba, college football lines and sports betting odds. Click thru our sportsbook site to look for our daily sports betting lines, including NFL Football previews, football, up to the minute latest news, Basketball wagering, College Football and sports betting lines, true odds at this sportsbook. This online sports book has the best NFL Football source for Daily internet sports betting and football lines, previews, matchups, standings, schedules, NBA games, College basketball matchups, half time odds and NFL sports betting at Oddsmaker.ag is truly a one stop online sportsbook that offers the best sports betting odds. You can also bet on boxing, hockey, nascar, Golf, mixed martial arts, Euro Soccer. The difference of this sports book site is the lines are best in the industry. What we mean is the line juice is a -110 and bettor gets the best odds to win the most amount of money on the wager they put in.
    Sports Book – Football, NBA, College Basketball, College football, MLB, Baseball Betting

    Sports Book that Oddsmaker.ag offer the best basketball lines from quarter lines, half time lines to over and unders. We have nba games for the playoffs that can be placed from the comfort of your hone or mobile devices. oddsmaker.ag also offers the fastest baseball betting lines in the industry. In addition mlb betting is one of the popular choices here when spring begins each year. Remember, its free to signup and you don’t need to deposit to go over this online sports book lines. You will notice the game odds from football, basketball, college odds and others like Nascar, Martial Arts, Gold, International Soccer, Rugby, Cricket, Boxing, and virtual games are all real time and it changes as the games goes on. You can win depends on the wager and the amount that you place. The payouts are also one of the fastest in the industry. The customer support is open 24 hours a day and 7 days a week. You can always call, email or go on the site and do LIVE chat and ask them anything that you need. If you are looking for the best site that offers online sports book that offers sports betting then Oddsmaker.AG is the real sports book that you need.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dealer wins View Post
    Tragic case, but dont people check company reputations/reviews etc before putting 1000s of dollars into an internet company? This scam bookmaker is just the same as the myriad of other scams floating around, such as boiler rooms, landbanking etc and easily avoided.
    if a forum vet like trytrytry can get caught up into the mix as well

    anyone can.

    it really is just a shame that these types of books even exist.

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    Is anything we can do about this book? Just let it go?

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    How does this "Paul" know to check odds at SBRodds and other places but not to simply look up the rating of the book before spending several thousand dollars with them?

    If you know about SBR, and especially about SBRodds....how dont you take the few minutes to look at the review of the book when you have to type in sportsbookreview to get to the website to get to the odds.

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    I read the entire transcript, I'd like 3 minutes in a locked room with 'Tony'.

    What that scam book did was not borderline criminal, it is criminal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dealer wins View Post
    Tragic case, but dont people check company reputations/reviews etc before putting 1000s of dollars into an internet company? This scam bookmaker is just the same as the myriad of other scams floating around, such as boiler rooms, landbanking etc and easily avoided.
    People get sucked in by their mail campaigns, their so called very generous bonuses (which they have no intention of honoring) their website.............

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    Quote Originally Posted by mighty maron View Post
    How does this "Paul" know to check odds at SBRodds and other places but not to simply look up the rating of the book before spending several thousand dollars with them?

    If you know about SBR, and especially about SBRodds....how dont you take the few minutes to look at the review of the book when you have to type in sportsbookreview to get to the website to get to the odds.
    Yeah right? Again, it could be how the story is written here. Even if you wrote this story, wouldn't you question the player how he was utilizing tools like SBR odds and such, yet had no clue about the ratings and forum?

    This part also seems silly.


    Paul discovers Oddsmaker's MO, decides to middle way out
    After his balance hit the $12,000 mark, Paul caught wind of Oddsmaker's reputation while perusing a gaming reviews site. After realizing Oddsmaker was considered a shady sportsbook and one to be avoided, Paul decided the prudent move was to middle his way out of the sportsbook. Paul recounts placing six different $2,000 wagers one weekend. He placed picks he thought would lose, and bet the opposite side at Las Vegas sportsbooks. It wasn't Paul's weekend, as each of the six wagers won in his Oddsmaker account. Paul's balance ballooned up to more than $20,000. Paul decided to pick his spots more carefully, and continued his strategy of placing wagers he expected to lose. He began to ignore the previous +EV (expected value) opportunities that once attracted him. After his balance reached $28,000, he decided it was time to test the waters so he requested an $8,000 payment on January 10th, 2012. Oddsmaker told him that his payment was too large to be sent at once, so he would receive two withdrawals in consecutive weeks.


    Guy def got ripped, but just some odd stuff as presented in this story.

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    Quote Originally Posted by robmpink View Post
    I'm not sure about the playing the opposites in Vegas part. Maybe it is the way this is written.
    Rob,

    He was afraid Oddsmaker would stiff him, so he started betting the opposite sides of the same game at other sportsbooks (losing only the juice, or less). I.E. Bet Side A at Oddsmaker for $500, Bet Side B at X for $500. He bet the side he thought was a loser at OM, and the other at a book he knew would pay him.

    You really should never attempt this at a book you think will not pay you, as its dead money and you run the risk of increasing your balance at the stiff book. Perhaps someone with a seven-digit bank account would just forget about the balance, but most players would probably do what Paul did. He simply was horribly unlucky.
    Quote Originally Posted by robmpink View Post
    Even if you wrote this story, wouldn't you question the player how he was utilizing tools like SBR odds and such, yet had no clue about the ratings and forum?
    He used a free line service, and also observed lines daily by living in Las Vegas. You'd probably be surprised at how many players have never visited these forums. Hopefully this clarifies.

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    After reading this, starting with the way it was written it puts all kind of questions regarding the "investigation" put up by SBR on the matter. It is quite obvious the sensationalism and the player oriented nature of the post, but the forum is oriented to players, so for sure it will be a success. I'm a player, but I expect some fairness around here.

    Lets put it as it is, the guy is a professional gambler. Whoever believes he was just "casually" using SBR Odds, Don Best, Sports Options,etc and steaming into placing wagers due to the slow line moves is just silly.

    1k to 45k, doesnt matter what I bet, I dont lose. Seriously?

    Now, thats not the point, oddsmaker for sure was going to make something up not to pay the guy. If I were them I will probably stop him at 10k and just set the account on payout mode. I guess they were hoping the "recreational" player will lose eventually, wrong again.

    Fair and square they stole the money from the guy, they knew he was a pro and allowed him to continue, they did not drop his limits, nor stop him half way to become a millionaire. About the post, it is very sensationalist and my recommendation will be to at least make this kind of reports sound objective.

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