Thoughts on BetUS...

**frostno98** · 03-01-09, 06:41 PM

One bad experience two years, still don't think they're trustworthy. Stay away from betus everyone!

**Justin7** · 03-01-09, 07:55 PM

Originally posted by frostno98

One bad experience two years, still don't think they're trustworthy. Stay away from betus everyone!

Was your issue eventually resolved?

**VBOMBER** · 03-02-09, 03:24 AM

I guess my question or inquiry would be with both betus and the jazzette family of books is, with their very high name recognition and key domains, who do they really end up stealing from?

I know there was a big theft from correlated parlays in the jazzette family of books (which is obviously complete BS), but what other common complaints and "thefts" have they had in the past?

Justin I know you are adamant about not sending money to the jazzette family, can you expand on your reasons why?

Also, while recognizing that any book that makes up rules and all of sudden steals money back from the player (the correlated parlay debacle) is already on very shady ground and should be considered very risky, have there been any legitimate complaints about a player playing non steam lines in straight bets being stolen from?

What about either of their poker rooms, if you win do you get paid regardless from there?

I am interested in any legitimate gripe or experience from either of these books, as obviously it is still some measure of risk of whether you post up with them, but also if you do post up with them when are your funds more likely to be at risk?

**ijustwant2bpaid** · 03-02-09, 04:43 AM

I recieved 2,500 fom their poker room and havent been back, but i was paid in 7 weeks, there is something shady going on when it takes 7 weeks to get your money, with jazettes millions in bets they probably throw it in an account for like 4-6 weeks to gain interest then send it, think of the extra .3-1% adding up in their offshore investments and the possibilities are endless. either way dont bet with jazette because they did steal from their players, but so did betpheonix, even if they agreed to return the money(with stipulations). How many people did nothing about it because they were afraid they would lose their money in the book. Its shady business.

**Hohol15** · 03-02-09, 04:52 AM

I know that my recent payouts are funny comparing to the amounts you are looking for, but anyway I got some Ks via Moneybookers rather quick (5 b-s days).
I try to follow the comments here, but I see that some of these comments are just a part of bad game against some books.
Personally I like BetUS so far and despite my desire to see US books featuring more tennis games handicaping and total games, I see this book pretty interesting and I hope they will be successive.
I like books where you can see that their front page means something to them. I mean it is just pleasure to enter for example BetUS site. It has rich design and looks much better then most of A's books. But I know that for you it is much more of a value to have the book paying you firmly and quickly, but as I said so far no problems with them, even more, I had some dispute with them and they resettled my bet, which they settle as cancelled in the beginning, pretty quick.
And the last thing, please. I think the book which spend money on their look and services is worth of your money, because I had never seen a book looking great in front page and being scam, but vice versa all the time! Thank you.

**ijustwant2bpaid** · 03-02-09, 05:18 AM

shill, i havent read your other 2 posts but i already know what they say, either completely generic or both promoting ur family of books. Your lines

"I like books where you can see that their front page means something to them. I mean it is just pleasure to enter for example BetUS site."

and "because I had never seen a book looking great in front page and being scam"

gave u away, try again....

**Hohol15** · 03-02-09, 07:17 AM

"Posts 158", I suggest you to think and then to write.
Here was the topic about BetUS if you forgot...
So it was my personal comment and don't blame person when you don't have facts, ok.

**SlappyWhite** · 03-02-09, 08:36 AM

I have had 3 payouts from them in the last month. They take about 3-5 business days by courier check. The did however limit me to 500 game. Overall I would give them a positive rating.

**VBOMBER** · 03-02-09, 02:14 PM

Originally posted by VBOMBER

I guess my question or inquiry would be with both betus and the jazzette family of books is, with their very high name recognition and key domains, who do they really end up stealing from?

I know there was a big theft from correlated parlays in the jazzette family of books (which is obviously complete BS), but what other common complaints and "thefts" have they had in the past?

Justin I know you are adamant about not sending money to the jazzette family, can you expand on your reasons why?

Also, while recognizing that any book that makes up rules and all of sudden steals money back from the player (the correlated parlay debacle) is already on very shady ground and should be considered very risky, have there been any legitimate complaints about a player playing non steam lines in straight bets being stolen from?

What about either of their poker rooms, if you win do you get paid regardless from there?

I am interested in any legitimate gripe or experience from either of these books, as obviously it is still some measure of risk of whether you post up with them, but also if you do post up with them when are your funds more likely to be at risk?

I apologize for mentioning the jazzette familly of books in this thread, as this thread is about betus and I shouldn't unfairly lump them into 1 group as it does seem that betus has been doing a much better job over the last few years. So if anyone has any specific responses regarding betus to some of my inquiries above I would be interested to hear them. Thanks.

**JELLYBEAN** · 03-02-09, 04:14 PM

You have to have a screw loose to send the rizzo crooks one cent

**Ta1ch1** · 03-03-09, 02:18 PM

Originally posted by Justin7

I keep looking into an occasional dispute, and they keep getting resolved. It's been over a year since their huge payout problem. I also don't recall any unreasonable positions in their disputes.

Do any of you have experiences to share, good or bad, about BetUS?

I am also in dispute with BETUS.
I bought into the SPORTS BETTING CHAMP SCAM and was told to open a sportsbook with BETUS. The details of how I was to do this and who I was to deal with were very specific. The quoted 95% wins was a total lie and after the first 6 picks I was down after losing 3 and having to buy points on every game means the odds you get when you win are low. Now the sting is simple, even when you manage to claim your purchase price back from CLICKBANK it still leaves your money tied up in BETUS who will not release your money until you have wagered 6 times the amount of your original deposit. Which by the way they ensure is maximum by offering a 33% freeplay bonus on signup. BETUS pay this thief a large bonus for every mug who signs up using his personal code. No matter what you do to get your money back this 'roll over' rule is used to shut you up. So I have over $1000 in my BETUS account and they wont give it back to me. I WISH SOMEONE HERE COULD HELP

**Santo** · 03-03-09, 04:36 PM

In your case, they are acting legitimately within the SOP of the industry. You should always check the terms of an agreement before you enact it.

**Justin7** · 03-03-09, 04:50 PM

Originally posted by Ta1ch1

I am also in dispute with BETUS.
I bought into the SPORTS BETTING CHAMP SCAM and was told to open a sportsbook with BETUS. The details of how I was to do this and who I was to deal with were very specific. The quoted 95% wins was a total lie and after the first 6 picks I was down after losing 3 and having to buy points on every game means the odds you get when you win are low. Now the sting is simple, even when you manage to claim your purchase price back from CLICKBANK it still leaves your money tied up in BETUS who will not release your money until you have wagered 6 times the amount of your original deposit. Which by the way they ensure is maximum by offering a 33% freeplay bonus on signup. BETUS pay this thief a large bonus for every mug who signs up using his personal code. No matter what you do to get your money back this 'roll over' rule is used to shut you up. So I have over $1000 in my BETUS account and they wont give it back to me. I WISH SOMEONE HERE COULD HELP

This sounds like a problem with the scamdicapper, not BetUS. This guy is the one ripping you off.

Rollover is normal though. This doesn't sound like BetUS's problem.

**adamu06** · 03-03-09, 04:56 PM

Originally posted by Justin7

This sounds like a problem with the scamdicapper, not BetUS. This guy is the one ripping you off.

Rollover is normal though. This doesn't sound like BetUS's problem.

Justin are you saying that even if we wanted to close account they are within their right to keep OUR money AND the bonus??

**Justin7** · 03-03-09, 05:29 PM

Originally posted by adamu06

Justin are you saying that even if we wanted to close account they are within their right to keep OUR money AND the bonus??

I'm saying that if you open an account at BetUS, you had better read the rules before sending a deposit.

Every book has rollover on a bonus. Never send money to a book if you don't intend to gamble - you're just asking for headaches.

**adamu06** · 03-03-09, 05:41 PM

Originally posted by Justin7

I'm saying that if you open an account at BetUS, you had better read the rules before sending a deposit.

Every book has rollover on a bonus. Never send money to a book if you don't intend to gamble - you're just asking for headaches.

Ok I can accept I made a HUGE mistake but where do we stand? no where without completing??

**HeeeHAWWWW** · 03-03-09, 06:16 PM

Originally posted by adamu06

Ok I can accept I made a HUGE mistake but where do we stand? no where without completing??

Yup. That's what you agreed to, so they're going to enforce it.

**gamble4heisman** · 03-04-09, 08:29 AM

Originally posted by Justin7

I keep looking into an occasional dispute, and they keep getting resolved. It's been over a year since their huge payout problem. I also don't recall any unreasonable positions in their disputes.

Do any of you have experiences to share, good or bad, about BetUS?

chat log about how i should be thrilled with fees to cashout and relatively rude customer service....

Mario ext.2887: Welcome to BetUS.com! How may I assist you?
mitch: hello do you guys send or recieve book to book transfers?
Mario ext.2887: No MItch, we don't have that option available.
mitch: what cash out options do you have available?
Mario ext.2887: Can you verify your password please?
mitch: *******
Mario ext.2887: In your case, money gram, courier check or bank wire.
mitch: which of those are free?
Mario ext.2887: None.
mitch: oh my
mitch: i bet that thrills people
Mario ext.2887: It does actually taking under consideration that different than other books we send the money in a reasonable period of time...
Mario ext.2887: The courier check has a $40 flat fee, the bank wire has a $25 fee up to $1200 and then $50 up to $5000 and the money gram process is the most expensive one and it depends only on the amount you take out.
mitch: well mario, i don't judge on relative terms, i don't care what other books do, i care what the ones i play at do, and they generally don't charge for payouts. those being 5dimes, betjamaica, and betonline. if you want to say charging is ok because you actually pay out great, but the point its you should pay in a reasonable amount of time. you get no points for paying me my money in a reasonable amount of time when i have shipped you guys a total of way more than my current balance
Mario ext.2887: OK, do you want to request a payout for you or not?
mitch: what are the moneygram fees?
Mario ext.2887: The max that we can send out per transaction is $1500 and the fee for that is $125
mitch: lol, ok. i'll get back to you
Mario ext.2887: If there's anything else I can do for you, you can reach me by phone or here in chat. Our toll-free number is 1-800-620-1905. Just ask for me by name and extension.

also was curious when he said 'in your case' do others get different, better or worse options??

This wasn't horrible by any means, but it could definetely be better. I just don't like books saying well book X in Guatamala takes a month to pay but we charge you $100 and pay in 10 days. I don't give books credit for paying me my money. ridiculous.

**durito** · 03-04-09, 08:44 AM

Originally posted by gamble4heisman

i care what the ones i play at do, and they generally don't charge for payouts. those being 5dimes, betjamaica, and betonline.

betonline is charging me $600 to send me my entire balance

**katstale** · 03-04-09, 09:21 AM

Snack chip, I know one other person who beat that. $1800 to send entire balance. Appreciate you pointing this out. When you factor in BOL extortion to get your money out, there is not another book out there who charges more for a payout than BOL.

**durito** · 03-04-09, 09:27 AM

You'll appreciate this

Hi David,

This is ***, an account manager at BetOnline.com

Keep in mind that Tuesday Feb 24th was a Panamanian Holiday. Hence, your payout will be processed on March 2nd.

It's going to take two months to get my money.

**katstale** · 03-04-09, 09:38 AM

I am laughing so hard. And those bank holidays are moving targets. they can pop up at any time!!

**fiveteamer** · 03-04-09, 09:49 AM

durito are you serious? That is insane.

How are you supposed to make money when a book wants to charge you $150 to send you your $1500???

**durito** · 03-04-09, 09:52 AM

It's actually $75 for a $5,000 wire.

But, it's bs. They have no max for incoming bank wires, yet have invented this 5k max outgoing wire. That and it's taking them 10 "business days" to process each one.

But, enough about BetOnline here.

I'm gonna give BetUS another go here shortly.

**katstale** · 03-04-09, 10:15 AM

Glad to turn this back to BetUs.

It appears they use ASI software, but i was having difficulty (without signing up) seeing if they have ewallets (and I guess I should add also pay out that way).

Moneybookers comment above? What about Neteller option? So if anybody vet is playing there can comment on ewallet payout situation that would be appreciated.

I noticed lines -110. If they don't offer reduced juice are these lines "clones" or would you say they have some "opinion"?

What are the terms of the 50% bonus? any hidden terms? lol

Where is BBD to supply all of these answers? lol

**gamble4heisman** · 03-04-09, 12:12 PM

Originally posted by durito

betonline is charging me $600 to send me my entire balance

not sure how big a player you are durito, but they offer 1 free payout per month via fed ex check but you have to ask them specifically about it and you can only request it friday morning from 9-12 eastern. max is $2500. I have recieved these in as few as 3 bus days and at most 10 bus days. over the past 9 months i have cashed out 2500 either 3 or 4 times.

**gamble4heisman** · 03-04-09, 12:15 PM

Originally posted by katstale

Glad to turn this back to BetUs.

It appears they use ASI software, but i was having difficulty (without signing up) seeing if they have ewallets (and I guess I should add also pay out that way).

Moneybookers comment above? What about Neteller option? So if anybody vet is playing there can comment on ewallet payout situation that would be appreciated.

I noticed lines -110. If they don't offer reduced juice are these lines "clones" or would you say they have some "opinion"?

What are the terms of the 50% bonus? any hidden terms? lol

Where is BBD to supply all of these answers? lol

as far as lines i got maryland at +3 last nite, that's all im gonna say.
also the 50% bonus comes with a 60 day hold so who gives a fu.ck what the rollover is..... p.m. me if you need more info

**Frank** · 03-04-09, 12:30 PM

Originally posted by katstale

Glad to turn this back to BetUs.

It appears they use ASI software, but i was having difficulty (without signing up) seeing if they have ewallets (and I guess I should add also pay out that way).

Moneybookers comment above? What about Neteller option? So if anybody vet is playing there can comment on ewallet payout situation that would be appreciated.

I noticed lines -110. If they don't offer reduced juice are these lines "clones" or would you say they have some "opinion"?

What are the terms of the 50% bonus? any hidden terms? lol

Where is BBD to supply all of these answers? lol

Clone lines on regular stuff but opinionated on 2h lines.

Quick to put you on delay but not for steam reasons.

They have adopted the 5dimes delay philosophy.

The 5dimes delay philosophy: A number is just a tad off the avg market price and the best available. The line has not moved for 3 hours. You can go shave, take a shit, take a shower, run to the store to get a six pack, come home, log back in. The line is the same and has not moved at any other book. You refresh to make sure the line is the same. Its the same. Submit! Delay! Big surprise! The line has changed for the 12th time out of 15.

This happens at all times of the day or night. Slow times, hour before game times, etc.

While 5dimes is, to the best of my knowledge, the inventor of the "Delay to sharpen our numbers without taking a bet" philosophy, Betus is not far behind.

Other books who have this philosophy with their delays:
WSEX
Skybook

**Frank** · 03-04-09, 12:31 PM

Originally posted by gamble4heisman

as far as lines i got maryland at +3 last nite, that's all im gonna say.
also the 50% bonus comes with a 60 day hold so who gives a fu.ck what the rollover is..... p.m. me if you need more info

They deal dual lines.

Katstale would not have gotten +3 on that game.

**durito** · 03-04-09, 12:35 PM

hmm, perhaps not

**gamble4heisman** · 03-04-09, 02:03 PM

Dual lines, that's even better!!!!

**Ta1ch1** · 03-04-09, 02:18 PM

Back to the point

Originally posted by gamble4heisman

Dual lines, that's even better!!!!

BEWARE
Lets not get off subject here folks. BETUS AND SPORTS BETTING CHAMP are a bunch of SCAMMERS who take your money, don't deliver and then
refuse to pay it back.

**Justin7** · 03-04-09, 05:49 PM

Originally posted by Ta1ch1

BEWARE
Lets not get off subject here folks. BETUS AND SPORTS BETTING CHAMP are a bunch of SCAMMERS who take your money, don't deliver and then
refuse to pay it back.

Are you owed money? BetUS hasn't done anything wrong. If a scammer tout screwed you, you need to focus on him.

**Ta1ch1** · 03-05-09, 04:58 AM

Scam

Originally posted by Justin7

Are you owed money? BetUS hasn't done anything wrong. If a scammer tout screwed you, you need to focus on him.

YES ! I am owed money, it's sitting in my BETus account that the scammer steers you towards with promises of special bonuses. What he also tells you is exactly who to speak to at BETus to open the account and what code to use. The managers that you speak to (4 of them) are in league with the scam and tell you (REN managed my account) that the system was great and that you could not lose. When the bonus comes in to the conversation,he simply states that the scammers system is go good you cant fail to make the roll-over amount. Now SPORTS BETTING CHAMP SCAMMER has had this account with BETus for years. They are well aware of his win ratio and his sign up bonus ratio. That implicates them in a SCAM that robs victims of their money. If they then wont pay the victims out, using the roll-over rule to keep their money, THATS ALSO A SCAM because of their involvement and knowledge of what's really happening. They are guilty by association and allowing this to continue. BETus entice you to take a bonus while they are fully aware that the victims of this SCAM have very little chance of ever reaching their payout limit. If you knowingly allow something illegal (Fraud) to take place for your profit and continue to allow it, you are as guilty as the instigator. So BETus and SPORTS BETTING CHAMP are guilty in the eyes of the law.(DO YOU REALLY BELIEVE BETUS WOULD PAY HIM LARGE BONUSES UP FRONT IF THEY COULD LOSE THIS MONEY) It's time the betting world woke up and cleaned up their act. BETus should be forced by law to pay back all funds that are being held under this SCAM.
Am I angry?. YOU BET I AM