Interesting dispute...

sickler · 01-07-09, 12:16 PM

If the video is from a reputable source, it should be presented to the sportsbook. They, in turn, should seriously consider correcting the mistake, lest they be considered less than honourable.

fiveteamer · 01-07-09, 12:26 PM

If a tree falls in a forest...

HeeeHAWWWW · 01-07-09, 12:41 PM

Originally posted by Justin7

Event A happens as shown in a video of the game. The official website - NHL.com - records the wrong result, saying "A didn't happen". Sportsbook grades wager as a loss, and player complains.

Thoughts?

It'll get corrected pretty quick on a website of a sport as big as NHL though, and presumably get regraded after that.

Might cause more problems for a tiny football league though, where the language barrier causes further issues.

AgainstAllOdds · 01-07-09, 12:42 PM

I would say they should grade it as a win. But if the bet was placed with a crap book...I wouldnt get my hopes up..

bigboydan · 01-07-09, 01:22 PM

I feel they player should be paid IF the game tape clearly shows it. Books like 5Dimes for example, use more than just one scoreboard and in some cases video footage on TV games when settling these types of wagers.

pjesnik24 · 01-07-09, 02:37 PM

I had a similar problem with willhill with number of corners. eSPN website had one corner less than the real number and I could not find any other which counted it (I watched the game so I know the number of corners). All other bookies graded at real number except willhill. I tried to convince them that but it was impossible because I could not give them any link to any other source. I wrote an email to ESPN and they said that they will change it but it never happened...

anyway, good luck, the situation for me is clear, the video should not lie.

big joe 1212 · 01-07-09, 02:47 PM

Had the same problem with a prop not too long ago at BetJm.
After an exhaustive explaination to about 5 different people, they finally fixed it!
The web site they used, finally corrected the error, I dont think they took my word for it!
Must have been a bunch of complaints.

pokernut9999 · 01-07-09, 02:49 PM

Guy has a problem betting on who wins a faceoff , how it is graded is a mute point he or she should seek help.

big joe 1212 · 01-07-09, 02:50 PM

Originally posted by pokernut9999

Guy has a problem betting on who wins a faceoff , how it is graded is a mute point he or she should seek help.

rookie · 01-07-09, 02:58 PM

Did you try asking other books about their source ? I have experienced it as well : ESPN Soccernet is not as reliable as you would expect them to be.

rookie · 01-07-09, 03:01 PM

Originally posted by pokernut9999

Guy has a problem betting on who wins a faceoff , how it is graded is a mute point he or she should seek help.

I have seen a parlay bet on "who will win the toss" for cricket games (-110).

ruby · 01-08-09, 06:30 AM

Originally posted by rookie

I have seen a parlay bet on "who will win the toss" for cricket games (-110).

Cricket is a special case, and some serious cricket bettors would consider betting on the toss. The point is that in cricket, the team winning the toss often gains a significant advantage. Therefore, someone who has bet before the toss occurs on one of the teams to win the match might want to hedge against their bet losing value by having a small bet on the other team to win the toss. Some books will offer the toss at Even money, in order to provide their customers with this possibility without paying any more juice.

LT Profits · 01-08-09, 06:36 AM

Originally posted by pokernut9999

Guy has a problem betting on who wins a faceoff , how it is graded is a mute point he or she should seek help.

Not if the odds were off. If the player got, say, +110 on what amounts to a coin fliip, it was a +EV play.

rookie · 01-08-09, 07:30 AM

Originally posted by ruby

Cricket is a special case, and some serious cricket bettors would consider betting on the toss. The point is that in cricket, the team winning the toss often gains a significant advantage. Therefore, someone who has bet before the toss occurs on one of the teams to win the match might want to hedge against their bet losing value by having a small bet on the other team to win the toss. Some books will offer the toss at Even money, in order to provide their customers with this possibility without paying any more juice.

You need to read my post again. It was a "parlay" bet on tosses: A vs B; C vs D - bet A AND C to win the toss.

ruby · 01-08-09, 09:34 AM

Ah, OK, I see.

I would have to concede that that is obviously bizarre behaviour.

Tellmeister · 01-08-09, 09:44 AM

Ok, it is me the thread is about. I placed my bet on Bwin ant the bet was that Pens should win the first face-off agains Wilds. Problem was that Sportsline (http://www.sportsline.com/nhl/gamece...1118_MIN@PIT_1) registerd Minnesota as winner of the face of. So i downloaded the game and uploaded the first face-of on youtube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pTefo3OWKKA). The video shows clearly that pittsburgh wins the first face-off.

Tellmeister · 01-08-09, 09:56 AM

Just logged in to my Bwin account and found the money from the bet there. Justin solved what i have tried to do for 2 month in 24h

Justin7 · 01-08-09, 11:47 AM

For the record, all books use an official grading site. If that site is wrong, it doesn't matter unless it is an obvious error. The industry standard for this was to grade the bet as a loser, even though it should have won.

Bwin made an exception for this player as a gesture of goodwill... But they were under no obligation to do so.