Sportsbook.com books confiscations cases reopened!

[HedgeHog]

if somebody was really doing same-game ifs I really do not think that it is steeling money... Maybe I would also try to win some money on that but I really would not complain if they confiscate the money later.

It's up to the Book, not the player, to decide what games are too correlated for same game multiple action (pars, ifs, teasers, etc...) and have their software enforce their parameters. All the major Books have these safeguards in place.

Sportsbook.com, on the other hand, chooses not to update their faulty software. They simply steal players' winnings on any same game bets regardless of the degree of correlation (ie Fav -1 and Over 47 parlay is minimally correlated). IMO there is no justification for SB's ripoff of clients' funds.

[tomcowley]

I would really like an update on whether or not this is all same-game ifs at any level of correlation or only the ones where somebody was going dog ml -> dog spread that are 100% correlated.

[pjesnik24]

It's up to the Book, not the player, to decide what games are too correlated for same game multiple action (pars, ifs, teasers, etc...) and have their software enforce their parameters. All the major Books have these safeguards in place.

Sportsbook.com, on the other hand, chooses not to update their faulty software. They simply steal players' winnings on any same game bets regardless of the degree of correlation (ie Fav -1 and Over 47 parlay is minimally correlated). IMO there is no justification for SB's ripoff of clients' funds.

gamblers also know the rules, not only the books. they gambled and they won in the beginning but they lost in the end.
What if next time they forget to remove some games even after the game already finished and the winner is known to everybody? They payout but take the money back 6 months later. can you really blame them?
Do not get me wrong, I really hope you will get the money and I am sure try everything to get the money back if I was doing that but I would not really be mad at them if they do not return it.

what is next? you notice a mistake in banksystem and take from your account few hundred thousands more. what do you think will happen? I mean, it is bank's fault not yours...

[tomcowley]

What rules? The ones SB makes up after the fact? Comparing a bet where your funds are at risk to past-posting a decided winner or to actual criminal activity is pretty silly.

[Halifax]

Now I hear they're stealing money on same-game Ifs. I doubt SB.com will return stolen funds.

Sportsbook.com should be refunding the confiscated money from the Correlated Parlays.

Those same-game If Bets are a whole different story ... I don't begrudge them for confiscating winnings on those types of bets.

Betting those same-game If Bets is a "flaw in the software" type of bet ... whereas betting the Correlated Parlays is more of a "betting stuff with a slight edge to the player" type of thing.

[Robyn]

In reading this thread, I almost wonder why any of you would even bet online. If something like this were to happen to us, matters wouldn't be handled quite as gracefully as some of you have.

[HedgeHog]

Sportsbook.com should be refunding the confiscated money from the Correlated Parlays.

Those same-game If Bets are a whole different story ... I don't begrudge them for confiscating winnings on those types of bets.

Betting those same-game If Bets is a "flaw in the software" type of bet ... whereas betting the Correlated Parlays is more of a "betting stuff with a slight edge to the player" type of thing.

Depends on the If bets made. Nothing wrong with a full game IF of say -7 with with over 40. But an IF with the Half-time to Full Game line, or Side with ML, is definitely wrong and should be voided.

Knowing SB, they're probably voiding all same game Ifs and this wouldn't be fair IMO to those that bet the full game side with the full game total.

[capone]

After they stole my money over the parlays I did chargebacks and got back around %60 of what they stole. I wonder if it is worth pusuing at all.

[Mudcat]

In reading this thread, I almost wonder why any of you would even bet online. If something like this were to happen to us, matters wouldn't be handled quite as gracefully as some of you have.

You have made a very broad leap IMO, turning the contents of this thread into the question why people would bet online.

There are many reasons. Online books offer so much in terms of promos and line selection that you could never get playing with a local. Personally, I have played at probably 80 books online. I have never been STIFFed. It has been an extremely profitable enterprise for several years.

To ask why people play at Sportsbook specifically might be more on-the-nose. Even with all the books I have played at, I have always found SB's reputation too iffy to sign up.

That is not to criticize or second-guess people who have used SB. I have delved into some high risk/reward situations at times. Depends on the risk, depends on the reward. We all make our choices.

[Robyn]

You have made a very broad leap IMO, turning the contents of this thread into the question why people would bet online.

There are many reasons. Online books offer so much in terms of promos and line selection that you could never get playing with a local. Personally, I have played at probably 80 books online. I have never been STIFFed. It has been an extremely profitable enterprise for several years.

To ask why people play at Sportsbook specifically might be more on-the-nose. Even with all the books I have played at, I have always found SB's reputation too iffy to sign up.

That is not to criticize or second-guess people who have used SB. I have delved into some high risk/reward situations at times. Depends on the risk, depends on the reward. We all make our choices.

You are correct. I worded my statement incorrectly.

From what I gather, many people have actually found SBR after being ripped off by Sportsbook.

Do you think it is safer to gamble online rather than locally?

[Halifax]

Depends on the If bets made. Nothing wrong with a full game IF of say -7 with with over 40. But an IF with the Half-time to Full Game line, or Side with ML, is definitely wrong and should be voided.

Agree

[Mudcat]

You are correct. I worded my statement incorrectly.

From what I gather, many people have actually found SBR after being ripped off by Sportsbook.

Do you think it is safer to gamble online rather than locally?

I think so, yes, if you're smart about it and talk to the players here about the specific online books you are considering. If safety is the main priority, you can set up a very good online "portfolio" starting with The Greek and/or Pinnacle and go from there.

There can be good reason to play at a book like Sportsbook.com. It can be a calculated risk for the reward of bonuses or correlated parlays or whatever. I'd like to think people are doing it with eyes wide open. I suspect most the guys sophisticated enough to understand correlated parlays, had an inkling they were in a higher risk situation with SB. (Which is not to say I don't hope they get their money. I do. No book should be accepting wagers and deciding later if those wagers are going to stand or not.)

But no informed SBR forumite with safety as a main concern is going to end up at SB. But, as you say, there are completely uninformed people out there who just see the SB advertising and swim into the net. Then they end up here.

Now I have never played with a local. I wouldn't even know where to find one. I imagine certain dangers and instabilities of the job. Jail, getting shot, fleeing town if a few very unbalanced games don't end well.

But maybe there are some wonderful, stable, salt-of-the-earth locals out there. All I know is I have done very well playing online, and so have many, many people I have communicated with for several years.

[trixtrix]

gamblers also know the rules, not only the books. they gambled and they won in the beginning but they lost in the end.
What if next time they forget to remove some games even after the game already finished and the winner is known to everybody? They payout but take the money back 6 months later. can you really blame them?
Do not get me wrong, I really hope you will get the money and I am sure try everything to get the money back if I was doing that but I would not really be mad at them if they do not return it.

what is next? you notice a mistake in banksystem and take from your account few hundred thousands more. what do you think will happen? I mean, it is bank's fault not yours...

are you really this retarded or are you shilling?

newsflash: this was NOT a MISTAKE, the book agreed to take these wagers, the players RISKED their funds. if this was in vegas, the player would be PAID every penny. even in the case of past-posting.

and since we're tossing out non-relevant hypothetical questions that has no correlation to the issue at hand, i have one for you as well: assuming you place a 5 team parlay on purple unicorns to beat 3 headed bullfrogs in a one-legged race, however one unicorn inadvertently gauged himself to death on some pixie dust, would sportsbook.com be justified in stealing all your funds? i mean, that's not in the rules, but who really cares..

[pjesnik24]

are you really this retarded or are you shilling?

newsflash: this was NOT a MISTAKE, the book agreed to take these wagers, the players RISKED their funds. if this was in vegas, the player would be PAID every penny. even in the case of past-posting.

and since we're tossing out non-relevant hypothetical questions that has no correlation to the issue at hand, i have one for you as well: assuming you place a 5 team parlay on purple unicorns to beat 3 headed bullfrogs in a one-legged race, however one unicorn inadvertently gauged himself to death on some pixie dust, would sportsbook.com be justified in stealing all your funds? i mean, that's not in the rules, but who really cares..

I will not answer the question one as you probably think that you are talking to your family members.

answer to question 2 : depends on the color of bullfrogs


to other people, I really hope that you will get your money back but I believe that the case here is similar as when you play with low rated books, you decide if it is worth the risk...

PS
if you want to signup to sportbook.com please use my link: xxxxxxxxxx so that I can get some money from them

[pjesnik24]

lol

I guess you did not read my post bigboydan tc tc tc

[HedgeHog]

I will not answer the question one as you probably think that you are talking to your family members.

answer to question 2 : depends on the color of bullfrogs


to other people, I really hope that you will get your money back but I believe that the case here is similar as when you play with low rated books, you decide if it is worth the risk...

PS
if you want to signup to sportbook.com please use my link: xxxxxxxxxx so that I can get some money from them

So it's okay for low rated Books to steal? Your argument keeps getting better.

[pjesnik24]

So it's okay for low rated Books to steal? Your argument keeps getting better.

nope, but when you know that an F book is giving a 100% bonus then it is really up to you if you will take this "chance"

but, I agree with you, it is never Ok to steal.

Here is a quote from one Mudcat's post which I was also trying to say through my posts as well but he outed his "suspicion" much better than I am able to do with my English:
"There can be good reason to play at a book like Sportsbook.com. It can be a calculated risk for the reward of bonuses or correlated parlays or whatever. I'd like to think people are doing it with eyes wide open. I suspect most the guys sophisticated enough to understand correlated parlays, had an inkling they were in a higher risk situation with SB. (Which is not to say I don't hope they get their money. I do. No book should be accepting wagers and deciding later if those wagers are going to stand or not.)"

[icelancer]

I was fortunate enough to avoid these problems. Happy to hear that SBR is getting the chance to re-open cases. Good luck all.

[HedgeHog]

An SBR update on this matter would be appreciated. The fact that this thread is no longer a "sticky" says something.

[gambleballs]

[Stewmoney]

Ok so today on sportsbook.com i went to look at my withdrawals history to view my current processing withdrawal. I could not find the tab for withdrawals history that used to be on the side somewhere. This irked me so I contacted customer service and they said this
Hello, my name is Gabby Tate. How may I help you today?
You: yeh where is the withdrawals history tab
Gabby Tate: Our apologies, our technical department is aware of the problems with our website and is currently working on a resolution. It should be back up shortly. Please try again later. We apologize greatly for the inconvenience.
You: what
You: why would u take it away
Gabby Tate: We have not taken it away, we are having some technical problems with that link.
Gabby Tate: Rest assured that it will be back to the normal anytime soon.
this.
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anyways, wtf is that shit? why would they remove that tab from their site? anyone else having sportsbook.com difficulties?

[Jones10]

Just don't use Sportsbook...Plain n Simple

[HedgeHog]

Bump. Any update?

[Bill Dozer]

An SBR update on this matter would be appreciated. The fact that this thread is no longer a "sticky" says something.

HH,

No follow ups as of yet and we have the accounts needed to test the line right now. Hopefully upper mgt. settles in after the holiday and weekend and is ready to move forward. We will update asap, and feel free to use our email or phone for updates to your liking. I'm traveling right now and will be back in the office on Tuesday.

[HedgeHog]

HH,

No follow ups as of yet and we have the accounts needed to test the line right now. Hopefully upper mgt. settles in after the holiday weekend and is ready to move forward.

Why is this subject no longer a sticky? At least leave if up top until you say it's a bust.

[AK]

I will help players with balances under $2,000.00

Bill is aware.

[trixtrix]

are you really this retarded or are you shilling?

if you want to signup to sportbook.com please use my link: xxxxxxxxxx so that I can get some money from them

[?] retarded
[X] shilling

[UTBlades]

I'm one of the people that got to SBR through researching Sportsbook.com's atrocious payout methods.

Now I'm more perplexed. I sent the documentation needed to get a payout in the first place (though I do remember a time when none of this crap was needed), which was very uncomfortable. Now I'm told that a faster payout method is possible if I send even more personal information. I'm just not sure that's wise.

To have a scan of the DL, then bank details...that's just too much personal information for a questionable outfit. Anyone else gone through this? I think I'm prepared to just wait for the payout coming attached so the slowest pigeon on the planet.

[Pancho sanza]

any updates?

[trixtrix]

bump, has there been any updates in this case?

[Justin7]

No new news.

[polskboy]

i was waiting for my money 2 years ago for about 7 months the funny thing was i went for vacation thinking that the money will show up and i will be able to use it