5dimes wager dispute: Help needed

[Justin7]

justin, any chance you can swing on over to one of the betislands threads and tell us anything you might know about any potential bailout..i just came in these forums recently but from what everyone says you seem to be the man who might have some information about this.

The math doesn't work for a bailout. Sharp players are owed a majority of the deposits.

If there were a bailout, any non-A book would have to start with rejecting all the sharp players, which would drop the liabilities by over 2/3. The whole point of a bailout is to get losing players. Taking on an extra $1m in liabilities to get 10 sharps that will kick your ass is bad business. Any of the A books that could eat $1.5m already has those 10 sharps as players, so they are just throwing away money.

If there were a bailout by a non A-rated book, you'd have to accept that all the sharps (owed over $1m) would get screwed. If you could stomach that, a C or B book could take one $400k in debt or so to add the losing players to their sheet, and hopefully keep them. But I can't imagine a political way that SBR could condone stiffing the sharps in a bail-out deal. So I don't see how any bail-out could happen with SBR as the facilitator.

[Isaiah]

Thats a retarded rule IMO. Should be standard to use official boxscores, in which case this is a winner but in this case looks like 5 Dimes is covered.

You are assuming that offshore sportsbooks are interested in dealing fairly and squarely with their customers. They aren't. They are are bottom line driven businesses. They are in total control of you, your bankroll and everything else. The more arbitrary THEIR rules are the better it is for them because they are the deciders. And guess who their decisions are going to favor? If fairness was their objective then yes the official NCAA box score would decide such disputes. It isn't so they don't.

[Isaiah]

[QUOTE=compsmoker;17422266]Problem with that is which box score? cbs has this basket going in at 10:06 and espn at 10:05.

You would use the OFFICIAL NCAA box score which in this case recorded the score at 10:00 which documents your winner. But doing so makes too much sense and takes control away from the dickheads that run the offshore books. Thus they make their own arbitrary rules.

[TheMoneyShot]

Man that was the closest shot ever. Damn. It appears as though it came just after the 10:00 mark. I wish you luck comp. Man that's a tough spot to be in.

[wrongturn]

But I can't imagine a political way that SBR could condone stiffing the sharps in a bail-out deal. So I don't see how any bail-out could happen with SBR as the facilitator.

I have hard time to understand this reason. So SBR wants whole bailout deal or no bailout at all for any?

I don't even think SBR cares about if so called "sharp" players (actually the players with larger balance to be exact) are stiffed or not, because those players are probably bashing site the hardest.

[sneak-a-peak]

5d has a rule on point: NCAA first and next 10-minute results are determined from digital recordings of television broadcasts. The ball must be completely through the cylinder and net before 9:59 remaining for a basket to be official in the first 10 minutes of a half.

This surprised me, since I expected them to use an internet source. But their rule is clear. You might ask them for a copy of the video to confirm it... But if all is what people say, this was correctly graded.

For the record, this is not the position of SBR, as I am no longer a mod/dispute specialist here.

Its really just a sign of the times here now

You are really one of the main reasons I signed up at this place a few years back and it was cuz of the work you did here for players

Things change.......

[Alluvada143]

5dimes graded it right... Problem is with CBS/espn play by play posting!!!

[renatopeaks1]

5dimes hasn't even come close to standardizing rules for these types of props. The judging is so arbitrary that it's laughable. 3 things here at play.

5dimes should always use the OFFICIAL BOX SCORE for things like this because:

1) The ESPN clock doesn't mean jack shit. It isn't tied in to the game clock in any way. If you notice, when the clock gets under a minute, they will replace their clock with a live video feed of the actual scoreboard clock.

(It's very likely the score came with more than 10 minutes on the actual scoreboard clock. Keep in mind people who update ESPN Gamecast and CBSSports Gametracker are actually AT the game making these updates.)

2) 5dimes states that the ball must be through the cylinder before there is 9:59 remaining on the clock.
Great. There was more than 9:59 remaining (even on ESPN's clock, which 5D used for grading purposes) when the ball went through. Get out a stopwatch. Start it when ESPN's clock hits 9:59 and stop it when it hits 9:58. Exactly 1 second will pass. Now, rewind the video, start the stopwatch when the clock hits 9:59, and stop it when the ball goes through the hoop. Still 9:59 on the clock, and less than a second has passed. 5Dimes must clarify that the ball must be through the cylinder before 9:59.9999999999999 remaining.

3) How do you define "through the cylinder"?


You would win this in a court of law considering 5dimes rule explanation is garbage.