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  • michael777
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    US Moves To Implement Rules Banning Most Internet Gambling
    Friday November 7th, 2008 / 0h56



    By Corey Boles Of DOW JONES NEWSWIRES WASHINGTON -(Dow Jones)- The Treasury Department has finalized regulations that would effectively ban online gambling in the U.S. and is trying to have them implemented in the waning days of the Bush administration.
    The controversial rules would make it illegal for banks to process credit card transactions from most Internet gambling sites.
    Their implementation has been opposed by groups advocating individuals' right to gamble, the banking industry, Democratic lawmakers in Congress and even officials at the Federal Reserve.
    The rules stem from a last-minute addition to a law passed in the final hours of the Republican controlled Congress in 2006. The provisions related to online gambling were included in an unrelated port security bill.
    The Treausury Department forwarded the final regulations to the Office of Management and Budget on Oct. 21, a necessary step towards their implementation.
    It's standard practice for outgoing administrations to finalize controversial regulations before leaving office, a practice known as a midnight drop.
    The law as drafted by Congress includes some exemptionsfor horse race betting, interstate online lotteries and betting on fantasy sports.
    But draft rules published by the Treasury in October 2007 don't define what would be considered an illegal transaction, and there has been much confusion as to what types of online gambling would be rendered illegal.
    Banks have warned they may block all online gambling transactions rather than try to determine which ones are illegal. An official from the Federal Reserve testified before Congress in April that the draft regulations created considerable uncertainty.
    Rep. Barney Frank, D-Mass., the chairman of the House Financial Services Committee, attempted to drum up support from fellow lawmakers for legislation that would amend the law to allow online gambling transactions to continue.
    He was unsuccessful but pledged to return to the issue next year.
    The Poker Players Alliance, a group formed to combat the law, has fought against its implementation. It argues that Internet poker should be exempted from the law.
    "It's really remarkable that this administration would try to push this out given the burden it would place on financial institutions at this time of financial crisis," said John Pappas, the executive director of the group.
    Pappas is meeting Friday with officials from the OMB, whose job it is to formally implement the regulations, in a last ditch effort to prevent them from being put on the books.
    He wants officials to wait until President-elect Barack Obama's administration takes office in January to allow for a thorough review of the potential impact of the rules.
    A Treasury spokeswoman did not return phone calls seeking comment for this report.
    -By Corey Boles, Dow Jones News


    Friday November 7th, 2008 / 0h56 Source : Dowjones Business News
  • sofun
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    #2
    is it a joke here???
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    • michael777
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      #3
      sadly it is no joke
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      • Tsoprano
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        • 04-14-08
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        #4
        And the locals get stronger and stronger.
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        • wtf
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          • 08-22-08
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          #5
          your right, they think they are on some moral high ground. but they are only strengthening the hand of the mob.
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          • Bluehorseshoe
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            • 07-13-06
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            #6
            Where's the bribe coming from on this one????

            I wonder........
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            • smitch124
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              • 05-19-08
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              #7
              It says no credit cards transactions. So what's new about that?
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              • daggerkobe
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                • 03-25-08
                • 10744

                #8
                This could mean the end of SBR and other forums as well.

                I sure hope the neo-nitwits that supported this are happy.
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                • strictlywinners
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                  • 07-17-07
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                  #9
                  When would this go into affect?
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                  • bigboydan
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                    • 08-10-05
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                    #10
                    Originally posted by strictlywinners
                    When would this go into affect?
                    Once the law passes and goes into effect, which apparently will be sometime before Bush's term as president expires.
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                    • poetwarrior41
                      SBR Wise Guy
                      • 06-20-08
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                      #11
                      Originally posted by wtf
                      your right, they think they are on some moral high ground. but they are only strengthening the hand of the mob.
                      I have met a minimum of 50 agents in my lifetime, and not one of them was in the Mob. The italian mafia is a joke these days, they all turned out to be rats and no one is left. Stop pulling the Mob card.
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                      • THEGREAT30
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                        • 10-04-08
                        • 8970

                        #12
                        Originally posted by smitch124
                        It says no credit cards transactions. So what's new about that?
                        Nothing, its written on several sites that it is illegal to fund your account, not to gamble online, but that's a crazy law, just be bold enough to say its illegal all together and start throwing people in jail and it will stop.
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                        • THEGREAT30
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                          #13
                          Originally posted by poetwarrior41
                          I have met a minimum of 50 agents in my lifetime, and not one of them was in the Mob. The italian mafia is a joke these days, they all turned out to be rats and no one is left. Stop pulling the Mob card.
                          AGREED Gotti is in jail, Im sorry noone fears them unless you are a part of what remains, you fear getting ratted out.
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                          • smitch124
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                            #14
                            Originally posted by michael777
                            The controversial rules would make it illegal for banks to process credit card transactions from most Internet gambling sites.
                            Business as usual...
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                            • englishmike
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                              • 06-19-08
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                              #15
                              There is no bribe coming, this is just the finishing touches on a flawed policy to begin with. If someone holds the view that gambling is immoral or divisive, how is it then not hyporicy to allow Vegas to continue to exist? How can a government expect to have its moral values and integrity taken seriously when your right to gamble is governed by geography? It's bad if you click a button on a laptop in Wyoming but it's ok if you stand in line at Bellagio.

                              If it weren't so serious it would be hilariosly funny.
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                              • strictlywinners
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                                • 07-17-07
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                                #16
                                Originally posted by bigboydan
                                Once the law passes and goes into effect, which apparently will be sometime before Bush's term as president expires.
                                So does that mean get all my money out now, or will the sites still have to honor what they owe.
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                                • Bluehorseshoe
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                                  • 07-13-06
                                  • 14998

                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by strictlywinners
                                  So does that mean get all my money out now, or will the sites still have to honor what they owe.
                                  There's still other ways of doing business.
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                                  • smitch124
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                                    • 05-19-08
                                    • 12566

                                    #18
                                    Its so funny its just posturing. They are making it illegal for banks to process credit card transactions, that stops nothing. Its like fed agents breaking whiskey bottles in front of reporters during prohibition...
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                                    • Sinister Cat
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                                      • 06-03-08
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                                      #19
                                      Originally posted by englishmike
                                      There is no bribe coming, this is just the finishing touches on a flawed policy to begin with. If someone holds the view that gambling is immoral or divisive, how is it then not hyporicy to allow Vegas to continue to exist? How can a government expect to have its moral values and integrity taken seriously when your right to gamble is governed by geography? It's bad if you click a button on a laptop in Wyoming but it's ok if you stand in line at Bellagio.

                                      If it weren't so serious it would be hilariosly funny.
                                      baptist & bootlegger. Appeal to the religious right, + protectionism for the growing US (brick & mortar) casino biz.
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                                      • SlickFazzer
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                                        • 05-22-08
                                        • 20209

                                        #20
                                        sonsabiches.

                                        Gambling will never die, don't worry.
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                                        • picantel
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                                          #21
                                          Originally posted by bigboydan
                                          Once the law passes and goes into effect, which apparently will be sometime before Bush's term as president expires.
                                          and you said Bush did a good job. Care to take it back?

                                          My bank already blocks all online gambling. I cannot even use my debit card to deposit in youbet.com which is a legal horse site. I have to get one of those damn walmart prepaid **** cards and put money on it when I wish to deposit.
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                                          • WileOut
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                                            #22
                                            The title of the article could not be more misleading. This will not make it illegal to bet on sports. It will make it illegal for a US institution to knowingly take part in a transaction involving internet gambling. If anyone watched the Financial services hearing in April on the UIGEA, the DOJ representative and the Wells Fargo representative both conceded that the gambler would have to identify the transaction in question as a gambling transaction for them to use this law. Of course nobody is dumb enough to call a bank and tell them that an incoming or outgoing transaction is for internet gambling.

                                            I am hoping the UIGEA is passed as is because it is a law that will do absolutely nothing to stop internet gambling and it will appease the right wingers who want something done about internet gambling.

                                            The thing that sports bettors had to worry about was HR 6870 which would have singled out sports betting as the only thing illegal. As it stands HR 6870 never made it to the house. So the UIGEA will be enacted and nothing should change.

                                            The title of this article could not be more misleading.
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                                            • Sinister Cat
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                                              #23
                                              Originally posted by WileOut
                                              The title of the article could not be more misleading. This will not make it illegal to bet on sports. It will make it illegal for a US institution to knowingly take part in a transaction involving internet gambling. If anyone watched the Financial services hearing in April on the UIGEA, the DOJ representative and the Wells Fargo representative both conceded that the gambler would have to identify the transaction in question as a gambling transaction for them to use this law. Of course nobody is dumb enough to call a bank and tell them that an incoming or outgoing transaction is for internet gambling.

                                              I am hoping the UIGEA is passed as is because it is a law that will do absolutely nothing to stop internet gambling and it will appease the right wingers who want something done about internet gambling.

                                              The thing that sports bettors had to worry about was HR 6870 which would have singled out sports betting as the only thing illegal. As it stands HR 6870 never made it to the house. So the UIGEA will be enacted and nothing should change.

                                              The title of this article could not be more misleading.

                                              The UIGEA already was passed. These are regulations to be promulgated in accordance with it. Basically, it will make it enforceable. However, UIGEA already technically made these transactions illegal (which is why it is already hard to get money to online gaming sites).
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                                              • FreeFall
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                                                #24
                                                This is all old news...
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                                                • WileOut
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                                                  #25
                                                  Originally posted by Sinister Cat
                                                  The UIGEA already was passed. These are regulations to be promulgated in accordance with it. Basically, it will make it enforceable. However, UIGEA already technically made these transactions illegal (which is why it is already hard to get money to online gaming sites).
                                                  Yes of course I know UIGEA passed in 2006, however the banks have yet to receive any orders until now. The UIGEA is now finalized and will now be put into effect. Before now anything the banks did to make it hard to fund or receive funds was on their own, using their own rules and regulations. It had nothing to do with UIGEA. Now it will.

                                                  The reason it is hard to fund online gambling sites is because Neteller was screwed by the US government and was forced to leave, leaving no instant way to fund a book or receive funds. This had nothing to do with UIGEA though.
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                                                  • MonkeyF0cker
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                                                    #26
                                                    Perhaps, Barney Frank will have the oppurtunity to create legislation to repeal the UIGEA in next year's Congressional session. Time will only tell.
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                                                    • WileOut
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                                                      #27
                                                      Originally posted by FreeFall
                                                      This is all old news...
                                                      Exactly. We all knew the UIGEA would be finalized one day. It is a joke of a law and that is coming from the DOJ itself.
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                                                      • MonkeyF0cker
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                                                        #28
                                                        Originally posted by WileOut
                                                        Yes of course I know UIGEA passed in 2006, however the banks have yet to receive any orders until now. The UIGEA is now finalized and will now be put into effect. Before now anything the banks did to make it hard to fund or receive funds was on their own accord, and using their own rules and regulations. It had nothing to do with UIGEA. Now it will.

                                                        The reason it is hard to fund online gambling sites is because Neteller was screwed by the US government and left leaving no instant way to fund a book or receive funds. This had nothing to do with UIGEA though.
                                                        That's simply not true. I never had a single processing issue prior to the UIGEA. There weren't widespread cases of sites losing their check processors before 2006. Neteller certainly made things easier back then but everything was easy.
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                                                        • WileOut
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                                                          #29
                                                          Originally posted by MonkeyF0cker
                                                          Perhaps, Barney Frank will have the oppurtunity to create legislation to repeal the UIGEA in next year's Congressional session. Time will only tell.
                                                          Or he could only side with poker players which would really screw up sports bettors. As a sports bettor you either want the UIGEA to remain as is or to be repealed completely. Anything added on in between is probably not going to be good for sports bettors because it will free poker and throw sports gambling under the bus.
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                                                          • WileOut
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                                                            #30
                                                            Originally posted by MonkeyF0cker
                                                            That's simply not true. I never had a single processing issue prior to the UIGEA. There weren't widespread cases of sites losing their check processors before 2006. Neteller certainly made things easier back then but everything was easy.
                                                            The UIGEA being enacted in October 2006 and Neteller going down the following year were 2 completely unrelated incidents. Neteller going down was the big blow to the industry. It would have gone down even if the UIGEA had not been passed.

                                                            This is what I gathered from following all the lawyers talk on 2+2 but maybe they were wrong or maybe I misunderstood. But I followed it closely.
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                                                            • MonkeyF0cker
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                                                              #31
                                                              You may also wish to look into the Fed's confiscation of funds recently from Bodog processor(s). It was something to the tune of $26 million and a large reason for their recent processing issues.
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                                                              • MonkeyF0cker
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                                                                #32
                                                                Originally posted by WileOut
                                                                The UIGEA being enacted in October 2006 and Neteller going down the following year were 2 completely unrelated incidents. Neteller going down was the big blow to the industry. It would have gone down even if the UIGEA had not been passed.
                                                                They most certainly were not independent events. In fact, I can show you the statement that I received from Neteller regarding my balance witheld from me due to U.S. Federal indictments.
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                                                                • WileOut
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                                                                  #33
                                                                  Monkey, I don't know if the sportsbooks problems with processors was due to the UIGEA or just due to the standard US goverment hatred of gambling sites because of the wire act. Maybe an insider could clear this up.
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                                                                  • WileOut
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                                                                    #34
                                                                    Originally posted by MonkeyF0cker
                                                                    They most certainly were not independent events. In fact, I can show you the statement that I received from Neteller regarding my balance witheld from me due to U.S. Federal indictments.
                                                                    Yes of course it was US Federal indictments but it was not due to UIGEA. They were charged with money laundering or something to do with the wire act. Unless you can show me otherwise, I don't think it had anything to do with UIGEA.
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                                                                    • WileOut
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                                                                      #35
                                                                      Here it is, it says nothing about UIGEA:

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