Chicken skin, bacon, Jaegermeister, butter. You'll get shredded fast
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Test boosters are complete nonsense do not waste your money Money! Get your blood tested for testosterone if you are low enough you can get replacement legally. Animal Pak and Animal Nitro are legit supps. Make sure you get enough vitamin d3 and magnesium malate. Workouts should be upper/lower split or complete full body if you are not juicing. Make sure to deadlift on lower and bench on upper followed by back work glutes abs and grip. Keep your workout under an hour with shortest rest periods as possible.Comment -
There's a few nutrition things that I question... not in any particular order. And if you say why do I question it??? I've tested it out on myself.
1. Everything I do... I take it to the extreme. When I was a kid 8-14... I ate like sh#$. McDonald's... A box a Hostess Ding Dongs.... unlimited pizza... 2 liter of Mountain Dew's daily. So, I've never really had a ripped mid section. It took me a long long long time to get there. So, it's still going to take even more time... to get shredded. My point is... you can always put on weight fast. Well... I know how because I did it. But my goal is back to 180 lbs solid. I'm about 190 right now. I stay away from fats... I just eat chicken breast 6oz non stop. 85-90g of a baked potato... lettuce tomato and green onion every single meal. Typically... the mean before working out... I do 60g of Oats... and about 6.5oz of chicken.... and no baked potato. Sometimes I will sub in and out oats/potato. I get really low on sugars... but I drink 4oz of carrot juice.... any time I feel like I need it. I get lazy cleaning the damn juicer.... and when I don't have my sugars... I get cranky... and need extra calories... and start eating like sh#$ again. So.... when I'm running good... carrot juice is the key...
2. I disagree on using any type of OILS. Yes, it's the healthiest fat you can intake. I will agree with that. But, if you want to be ripped... there's no way you can have any oil in your system. Unless... you're on some sort of dieting roid.... to cut you up. If you're doing everything natural.... and you want to see results every single time you workout.... stay sway from butter, fat, oils, etc.
3. Get yourself a measuring scale for your meals. You can get one at Amazon for about $7.00 and start measuring/weighing your meals.
4. I tried eating 7-8 planters peanuts during every meal. Now, I know it doesn't sound like much... and you're saying... what's your point? My point is taking in some Fat. The issue is... I wasn't losing any inches around my waist. The Fat gives you extra strength... but not even close to being cut. Felt like I was taking a backseat... going backwards. So, like I said... it's good to train your body... not to take any fat. The only fat I intake... is whatever is left on that Chicken Breast... or a banana here and there.
For the poster that said they'd like to gain weight? I love peanut butter. I wish I could eat it all day long. You have to increase your appetite somehow... I've heard taking a B-Complex vitamin could spark an appetite. Sometimes you just have to force yourself to eat more... Lots of pasta would help too. Pasta and sauce... etc.
Also... A Planet Fitness just opened up near my house... only a 2 minute drive and it's open 24 hours. Plus, I'm almost 38 now... and I focus more on Cardio. The only negative thing about Planet Fitness is that the free weights only go up to 60 lbs. So... I've had to seriously change up my chest routine. They have chest machines... but not with free weights. So... you really have to challenge your muscles in other ways... it's a different feel. But you can't beat the price... $10 a month... plus yearly taxes... but you can't beat the convenience being open 24 hours. I use to be with LA Fitness if people were wondering? Outstanding gym by the way. I'm just sick of wasting gas... wasting time... dealing with traffic... and they aren't open 24 hours.
So, my goal is to get all cut up... and lose this excess fat I have around my midsection. I can always put on weight.
I was being a bit#$ for the last 2 days. I have to stay confident. It's hard dealing with the negative aspects of life... while you're trying to workout 2 hours a day. It sucks. Just have to deal with it.Comment -
you dont have low test and thats a damn good thing brother... when you get there, and hopefully you dont, then you can ask for advice from someone with experience with it... zma might raise natural test a bit for younger guys, but once you hit a certain age, you arent reversing low t with diet or over the counter garbage...you're full of shit...I'm 44, physically fit, eat right, excercise and do cardio, can get an erection, and my numbers (cholesterol, blood pressure, etc. are great)...since I don't have any of the aforementioned problems, I don't worry about testosterone levels just yet!..
...but I'm pretty sure there will come a day and time for that but right now its not an issue with me...I attribute my good health to eating right, exercising (lifting and cardio) and getting plenty of sleep...
aminos are no gimmick... creatine is no gimmick and you can shoot all the juice you like, but if your protein intake isnt high enough and you dont work your ass off in the gym, you are only wasting juice and causing a headache with all the pinning...Comment -
2 hours is 2 long better off working out 2 times a day for 45min a piece and get rid of the cardio just my 2 cents.Comment -
tms, planet shitness is a fukking dump...pass on that place...
fwiw, there are very very few people who are dedicated to dieting enough to get as cut as it seems you want to get.. if you are talking 10-11% bf, no problem...plenty lean to see some abs... hell, you can do that by cutting carbs under 50g a day and keeping protein high (1.5/2x your bodyweight) by staying on egg whites, chicken, fish, lean meats and throwing in some shakes etc. and veggies with a carb up meal once a week or so ... throw in some work with the iron and do some cardio and stay away from the alcohol ... but if you are talking 5-6% kind of ripped or less, its an entire different beast... and not one that anyone should try to achieve, much less maintain, unless they are competing...
gl man... you dont have to do anything special or get away from the basics...i remember you have a good frame and a lot of muscle on you... if you want to throw in a fat burner, hydroxycut is no gimmick and there are plenty of peptide stores to get legit t3 and clenbuteral if you want more extreme fat burning help
this is me last summer.. 5'6 167ish and around 9.5%bf give or take ... i had gotten up to 185
it was fukking brutal being a little guy my whole life and deciding to add big weight only to purposely lose it to see if i could get under 10%
ive added serious girth to my back and am 18lbs bigger and in the 11% range right now... i have a month or so to decide, but i might eat for another month and then drop down to the 165lb class and get on stage at the dexter jackson comp here in town in oct. ...
if a guy my age and with my shitty genes can make big body changes, anyone can... glLast edited by raydog; 06-29-15, 01:11 AM. Reason: pic down... ill post again if someone wants to see... too many pic saving pervs hereComment -
you seem fit and happy...keep it up... years of drinking and trying to be pablo escobar killed my t levels... i know guys that are older than us that just live a really clean lifestyle and might take a good performance multi vitamin a day... they have more energy than me and i inject methylcobalamin weekly (the good active working B12 that you would get if you went to one of those clinics that push b12/fat burning shots and shit.) everyone is different , just have to trial and error your way to finding your groove
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as far as the GH .. i would be lying if i said that my experience with it was anything short of impressive... the skin and eyesight changes, alone, are enough to keep me invested, at least on a low maintenance regimen ...Last edited by raydog; 06-29-15, 01:05 AM.Comment -
my drinking days are over with, Jake!.......here I am back in high school circa 1989 (I was 18 at the time and most of my SBR brethren weren't even born yet!...
)...I was cut like a mothafukka, only 5% body fat, weighed 135lbs, could bench 240, squat 400, and ran a 4.5 40!...and I was one of only two kids in my entire school that could do a triple beer bong without throwing up!...
...my best friend just emailed me this pick from a party we were at...as you can see, it took two people to hold the funnel and bong!...it was a good 5ft long and three beers filled it to capacity...
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Raydog - Thanks for the post man. Yes, Planet Fitness is a joke.. Surprisingly I've adapted well with it. Well... let me put it this way... whatever results I'm going to get out of it... it's maxed. At least this location is super clean. Probably the cleanest gym I've ever worked out at. But like I said... cardio is the main thing at any PF. If you're in your 20's probably not the best gym to be at. Quick question though... you said you tried ZMA? Is this what you were talking about?
Just wondering your overall thoughts on it... whenever you get a chance? I heard this ZMA could get expensive... but also... is it even worth the price?? From a potency standpoint?
Dexter Jackson area??? You're in Michigan? I didn't even know that? How did I miss that?!?!?
Is there a particular company that you stick with in regards to quality? I've been using Optimum Nutrition for my Whey protein shakes. Digests really well... and it seems to work. I know some just look for low cost... and other's for whatever reason. Just wondering what brand you use for you Creatine, Amino Acids, or any other stuff. I remember back in my 20's I was a huge fan on EAS products... but I heard the potency wasn't really there.... I finally switched and tested out other companies in my 30's. There's a lot of junk out there.
Da Manster! - Settle down man with that photo.
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if you're looking to get cut you might want to try this...
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Raydog - I forgot to ask about HMB earlier this morning. I heard a lot of body builders are going to this? What are your thoughts on it? Thanks.
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my drinking days are over with, Jake!.......here I am back in high school circa 1989 (I was 18 at the time and most of my SBR brethren weren't even born yet!...)...I was cut like a mothafukka, only 5% body fat, weighed 135lbs, could bench 240, squat 400, and ran a 4.5 40!...and I was one of only two kids in my entire school that could do a triple beer bong without throwing up!......my best friend just emailed me this pick from a party we were at...as you can see, it took two people to hold the funnel and bong!...it was a good 5ft long and three beers filled it to capacity...
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Been on this nutritional supplement for a year now...feel great. A bit pricey though and you must like the taste of grass!
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Don't waste your money on supplements. Just go to an anti-aging clinic and get on TRT if your diet is already in check, you're sleeping well and you're lifting weights. That's the only thing that will raise your T levels if you're already doing the other things (which it sounds like you are).
Have you checked your T levels? If they're low, an endocrinologist can get them back to ~1000, which would be your teenage levels.Comment -
Thanks for the nominations, guys!.......god, I miss those days!...
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money, no more date stories?Comment -
TMS, im an ON guy as far as isolate protein goes... if i want a flavor that isnt vanilla/choc , i go with something from Nectar... its okay...gluten/carb/lactose free, but all those flavored proteins are hit and miss on taste and grossly overpriced...
i abuse BSN AminoX ... before, during and after workout amino mix
prefer BPI creatine, but man, honestly, creatine is creatine... you can get some six-star stuff at walmart and it will do just as good...its a flavor thing for most people... dont forget the first week pre-loading is important... 15-20g a day for a week, then after that week, 8-10g a day... 5g before workout and 5g after (at least thats what i do) ... dont forget to drink a small ponds worth of water daily... cramping and liver problems can be issues if you dont
zma is a great product, but you can get away with buying some zinc/magnesium/B blend vitamins and its the same thing ... it helps me with my sleep a little and its known for a natural test increase... im on TRT and have been running some cycles the last year or so , so im not producing any of my own test anymore anyways.... but i can definitely tell when i dont take it for a week
umm, lets see.. Glutamine... any kind is fine and should be in your amino mix, but sometimes you need more...dont get caught up in pricey bullshit at a wholesale nutrition store or gnc place... again, you can get it at a walmart or something...its oderless and tasteless, so brand doesnt really matter for basic needs.
as far as the HMB goes, i dont bother with it... if im cutting and looking to preserve every bit of muscle i have, i use the hard stuff ... but ON makes good shit and i would suggest giving it a go if it looks like it fits a need.
if you know someone who sells Advocare products and will let you buy shit at their cost, they make a really good energy drink product called Spark...hell, everyone has heard of it.... and they also make an Amino/glut product called Catalyst ... its really a solid product...ive run through a few bottles myself...
oh, im not in mich... dexters competitions travel the states...im in tenn
you guys might laugh, but ttwarrior is seriously knowledgeable in this stuff too... although he believes in some batshit crazy doctors ideas and has some strong opinions on lifting, he is a good guy to question... and i know king mayan knows his way around the gym and supps... still cant lb for lb out squat me though
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Thanks RayDog! Appreciate all your input.
Just purchased some of that Optimum Nutrition Creatine. Just doing 1 5g dose a day so far. I do it around lunch time. Odd thing is... I can't sleep at all at night. I sleep for 4 hours... and I wake up and can't fall back to sleep. I don't get it??? I'm absolutely exhausted... but I'm getting these quick bursts of energy... and I can't sleep. Weird.
I'm not taking anything else at the moment... and all the benefits I can see with Creatine are... increased bursts of energy. 2 Hours right after you take it... you're good for anything. I feel just a slight increase in strength. Very slight. It's more like... you can feel strength and form in every rep you take... especially the bicep area. For $16.00 you can't beat it. It's like 111 Servings I think.Comment -
HGH = Norditropin Flexpro Subcutaneous Pen Injector
Testoserone = Androgel Transdermal Gel Pump
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Creatine saturation is only like 2 or 3 grams if I can remember. If you eat beef daily you won't need to supplement. If not taking 2g a day should work. Protein, good multi, and maybe some aminos plus creatine is all you need the rest is marketing BS. If you think your Test is low get it tested. BOLComment -
Are you waking up around 2-3am and unable to go back to sleep?Thanks RayDog! Appreciate all your input.
Just purchased some of that Optimum Nutrition Creatine. Just doing 1 5g dose a day so far. I do it around lunch time. Odd thing is... I can't sleep at all at night. I sleep for 4 hours... and I wake up and can't fall back to sleep. I don't get it??? I'm absolutely exhausted... but I'm getting these quick bursts of energy... and I can't sleep. Weird.Comment -
Looking for several of you to weigh in here:
What is the optimum T-level for someone who wants to hover around 10%-12% body fat.
I'm 6'-0" and 190 pounds right now. My body fat is likely 15%-16% currently. 3 weeks of eating like shit and bourbon.
My T-level went from low 600's to 298 in ONE year. I'm 42 YOA.
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Wow I guess I am fat. 5'9 220...gotta get me some ephedrineComment -
if your not shooting roids and your serious about working out your a jerkoffComment -
Coach, I know you're just joking but......
Zero chance I ever do roids.
Testosterone replacement therapy ---------> will definitely do that when I need it (and it may be very soon).Comment -
20 squat thrusts,1 pack cigs,1 box little chocolate donuts per dayComment -
But I said I'm likely 15%-16% right now. I get my T checked once a year. I've gone up and down 100-200 points in a year several times over the course of the last 7 years.
I agree, going from the low 600's to 298 is alarming, but I am 42 and this would be a time in my life for it to drop.Comment -
Should not be under 300 even at 42. Do you notice depression, lowered sex drive, or just being lethargic? If so I would check into TRT or a change in lifestyle.Comment -
Yep, I'm dead tired around 11PM or Midnight. I feel like I could sleep for at least 8 hours... to 10 hours. I wake up for no apparent reason... look at the clock and it's 4AM... and I'm like fuk my life. Why do you do this for? And there's just no way I'm going back to bed... can't fall asleep... so... I say to myself... F it... I'm going to the gym. I know I have just enough energy to get me through another workout.
What do you think is going on chili?Comment -
I think HGH is the way to go. I've never used needles in my life. Wouldn't know what to do with em.
Stallone and Arnold had to use HGH back in the day... you can't possibly keep your hair using steroids. Maybe there's a 8-10% field that would keep their hair somehow?? But... I heard using HGH keeps your hair.Comment
