Republican vs Democrat

[DwightShrute]

hmmm ....

panic merchant

[DwightShrute]

To the Trump supporters here: do you have any criticisms of Trump over the past few months, or do you approve of all of his decisions?

I said many weeks ago (and haven't made a post here since then) I think this thread has become utterly pointless because there's no real debate or discourse to be had. Every Trump supporter is so rooted in defending him, the reality denial is just completely off the charts. Feel free to prove me wrong somehow.

to the never Trumpers such as yourself, is there anything Trump has ever done which you agree with or support, or do you disapprove of all his decisions?

[Hareeba!]

Masked agents.
In unmarked vans.
With no arrest warrants.
Who refuse to identify themselves.
Black-bagging entire families.
And detaining anyone who tries to stop them.
America is becoming a police state.

[blankoblanco]

To the Trump supporters here: do you have any criticisms of Trump over the past few months, or do you approve of all of his decisions?

I said many weeks ago (and haven't made a post here since then) I think this thread has become utterly pointless because there's no real debate or discourse to be had. Every Trump supporter is so rooted in defending him, the reality denial is just completely off the charts. Feel free to prove me wrong somehow.

[Hareeba!]

This White House continues to lie to us every day.




NY police revealed that Trump’s actual actual height was 5’10” and his actual weight was 130kg (287lbs),
i.e. consistent with his photographs.

[Hareeba!]

hmmm ....

[Hareeba!]

The man tapped by RFK Jr to run a clinical trial looking to tie vaccines to autism has been charged with practicing medicine without a licence, given autistic children a dangerous drug not approved for use in the US & improperly prescribed puberty blockers

https://www.yahoo.com/news/head-rfk-jr-vaccine-study-201913530.html

[Optional]

Cmon JT, pretty sure you personally mentioned 70+ approval ratings just a month or two ago.

Not that approval rating says right or wrong anyway. But it really is a good thing. The 70+ rating was widely pointed to in the foreign media as proof that the American people want Trump to backstab and attack your allies, so there was no use hoping for sanity to take back over.

At least now the foreign media is starting to say the American people might stop him going too much further. Whether you realize it or not, America does need her allies to stay the pre eminent world power. It's good for you and me that the world can see Trump is not completely unrestrained to continue the wrecking ball stuff too much further.

[jt315]

He's more popular now?? Ok. You must live in a Truth Social echo chamber to genuinely think that.

You can do your own google search for Trump approval rating polls if you have not heard about the massive drop in his approval rating.

Be happy, it's good news for the world that he is being rejected by his own supporters. It will reign in the moronic attacks on allies as one very good thing for us all. He has thrown all the cards in the air already. He doesn't need to shake up the world order any more for now. Time is here for some stability so business can make plans and adjust as needed.

Echo Chamber ? How about a CNN echo chamber ?
And you’ve still shown NO evidence to back up your MAGA has been duped statement.

https://tfppwire.com/trump-popularity-cnn-tariff-poll/

Commentary: Trump’s Agenda Still Resonates With Voters


What’s shocking to Harry Enten isn’t shocking to those living outside the media echo chamber.

Americans aren’t buying the anti-Trump narrative.

Despite the media’s portrayal of the tariff push as political suicide, the numbers show strong working-class support for Trump’s policies.

The left continues to misread the room.

People care about results, not media outrage.

Trump promised to put America first—on trade, on jobs, and on national pride—and he’s done exactly that.

Voters are rewarding follow-through.




As in previous post . Real Clear Politics Average is 46.7 % . Maybe you should do some poll research of your own

More receipts as far as his popularity now compared to 2020.

https://www.newsweek.com/trump-never-received-majority-job-approval-rating-during-his-entire-presidency-41-separate-polls-1543862

Trump Never Received Majority Job Approval Rating During His Entire Presidency, 41 Separate Polls Show


Trump has a median approval rating of 44 percent throughout his time as president, but he never cracked a majority of approval among Americans in every single poll. Trump's approval rating has hovered within the same 9-point range throughout his entire presidency—with his high of 47 percent coming in October 2018 and his low of 38 percent occurring in an October 2017 poll.

[Hareeba!]

You have no proof. It could be true, but without proof we will never know. There is lots of reasons one could be sentenced for a crime and not be there. Just more spinning.

It's just total bullshit.

Find just one instance of somebody who didn't enter the Capitol and who didn't engage in some act of violence or obstruction of justice outside who was charged, let alone sentenced.

[Optional]

Show me where you saw this in the polls .

rubbing it in that MAGA types are starting to recognize they have been duped.

Is he not following up on what he ran on? (Tariffs )


And I wouldn’t call a tick under 47%( RCP average ) problematic considering he’s more popular now than in his first term .

He's more popular now?? Ok. You must live in a Truth Social echo chamber to genuinely think that.

You can do your own google search for Trump approval rating polls if you have not heard about the massive drop in his approval rating.

Be happy, it's good news for the world that he is being rejected by his own supporters. It will reign in the moronic attacks on allies as one very good thing for us all. He has thrown all the cards in the air already. He doesn't need to shake up the world order any more for now. Time is here for some stability so business can make plans and adjust as needed.

[Hareeba!]

Causing plenty of concern in FIFA and Olympic circles

[jackpot269]

[jackpot269]

there were hundreds of people arrested for just being there and committing no violence whatsoever. Remember the first person (I believe, if not the first , one of the first) as a 70-something grandma with cancer who was sentenced to 2 months in prison.

These other hundreds of people you can look up yourself. Its public knowledge. Heck one guy was sentenced to 20 years and he wasn't anywhere near the capitol.

You have no proof. It could be true, but without proof we will never know. There is lots of reasons one could be sentenced for a crime and not be there. Just more spinning.

[khicks26]

There’s a big difference between getting everything I want and the government spending the money I’m going to send in tomorrow wisely, enough so that vast chunks of the population need to rely on my tax dollars every month so they’re not destitute. Your retirement? Am I to assume you own stocks after saying that stocks are just unpaid wages to employees?

Where was it greater at that point in history? No other place came close, and the fact that those people moved here proves it. Brazil had vast amounts of open land, cheap and slave labor, and they were nowhere near as wealthy as the United States. No one else had as much capitalism as America did, which is a major reason America had such a high standard of living compared to the rest of the world. Having something doesn't tell you how much you have. You have money, but Elon Musk has more. Yes, it is the left’s fault, primarily because they are the ones who will defend the failing status quo if it gets them power. It’s not over my head at all, you’re just brainwashed by the left.

It’s not whataboutism, it’s pointing out that you go after Reagan because he was a capitalist, and ignore how much smoother the economy has been since he took over. The fact is that from 1953-1981, the top bracket never got under 70% and we had 7 recessions. Since Reagan cut taxes, we’ve had 4 recessions. 1 was due to Covid, 2 were the mildest on record. 2008 was because of the belief that housing would rise in perpetuity.

Sure, labor creates wealth, but more productive labor creates more wealth. That’s ultimately my problem with the left in America, we desperately need to make changes, so people can be more productive with their labor, but if we made those changes, it would probably permanently doom the democrats. Like I said, defund the police, ban fossil fuels, open the borders and give out citizenship to anyone, men can get pregnant and women dressed up like they’re in A Handmaiden’s Tale aren’t winners at the ballot box. The left needs people poor and dependent on them so they can get power.

India for decades was run by the democratic socialist Congress party and the Nehru-Gandhi dynasty. Modi has only been in power since 2011, and it was only after India almost collapsed in the early 90s did Rao, Vajpayee and Singh start making reforms to open the markets up a bit. It’s still far left and everything the left wants America to be. It’s not ethnic cleansing, it has nothing to do with ethnicity. I’d take Clarence Thomas, a black man, over you, a white traitor any day of the week.

Okay, I should have written it’s made some people rich, but no country as a whole rich. If it had, Russia would be wealthier than the US, since it had significantly more territory.

You claim I don’t understand history, yet you admitted you know nothing about Brazil’s history of slavery and confiscated indigenous land, while I was naming actual names. You know what you hear from socialists/communists on YouTube, I know history.

I never thought you were a smart guy. I’ve always thought you were evil, stupid, and brainwashed, and I was right.

Yea the country would fall apart without Josh and his small mind. LMAO 401k like many Americans, its not like you have a choice.

Not the point and still pointless. More false equivalence, still pointless.

I go after Reagan because he was a douche bag. Capital has nothing to do with it. Also the biggest recession since the great depression.

Oh now labor creates wealth because I made you look stupid. The culture war is why we don't have wealth and it's not the rich hording wealth. LOL You are looking stupid again. Yea its over your head. LOL

India was a British colony, which still makes it a basket case today. That's why it's run by a right wing fascist. Maybe you should move there. You would fit right in. LOL

This is the stupidest thing you have ever said. Shows you don't know how the world works.

Left and right mean different things to you and me. Most everything in this world comes down to money and greed. I could give a rats ass what you think is left and right. Your a fuking idiot. You know history that fits your agenda which is narrow, you understand all most nothing about history.

As if we care. LOL I bet you underestimate many things in life as you hyper focus on the dumbest shit there is. I see that in every post you write.

Are you a brooks clone?

[guitarjosh]

Nobody gets everything they want. You will never get YOUR money's worth. The left is bad and you want everything done your way. You think I like giving Trump money to make my retirement disappear?

I have never said people didn't come here. The myth is you saying how great it was. History says your full of shit. YEA YEA YEA it was better here. Pointless. Your talking point is a garbage platitude. Did they not have capitalism where they came from? Did they have a vast amount of open land? Did they have cheap and slave labor? All your saying is that capitalism goes to expanding markets and where labor is cheap. It has nothing to do with the land under it. After America it moved to China where it still is today. YEA YEA YEA its all the left's fault and has nothing to do with the nature beast. You sound like an idiot with this garbage because you don't understand the topic and want to dilute the conversation with stupid shit. That's why I don't want to talk to you about this, it's over your head.

Now its whataboutism? Stalin and FDR won WWII anyone should speak higher of them than Reagan. Does that mean I liked everything they did and wouldn't say bad shit about them? NO Reagan was a POS and you suck his balls. LOL

Labor creates wealth, capitalist profit and own that wealth. Yes a fry cook does create wealth, without him there is no wealth. You don't even understand basic terms, ridiculous.

India is run by fascist Modi. LOL So you don't want to kill anyone you just want to do ethnic cleansing. Great! What a fuking clown.

Imperialism hasn’t made anyone rich. What? You are the definition of parallel universe. LOL

You don't understand history. LOL

I bet in your universe that's a true statement. Here in the real world, your a box or rocks.

LMAO GTFOH LMAO


I use to think you were a smart guy, turns out your thick as a brick and no new thoughts can enter your head. If your not Brook85, your his brother.

There’s a big difference between getting everything I want and the government spending the money I’m going to send in tomorrow wisely, enough so that vast chunks of the population need to rely on my tax dollars every month so they’re not destitute. Your retirement? Am I to assume you own stocks after saying that stocks are just unpaid wages to employees?

Where was it greater at that point in history? No other place came close, and the fact that those people moved here proves it. Brazil had vast amounts of open land, cheap and slave labor, and they were nowhere near as wealthy as the United States. No one else had as much capitalism as America did, which is a major reason America had such a high standard of living compared to the rest of the world. Having something doesn't tell you how much you have. You have money, but Elon Musk has more. Yes, it is the left’s fault, primarily because they are the ones who will defend the failing status quo if it gets them power. It’s not over my head at all, you’re just brainwashed by the left.

It’s not whataboutism, it’s pointing out that you go after Reagan because he was a capitalist, and ignore how much smoother the economy has been since he took over. The fact is that from 1953-1981, the top bracket never got under 70% and we had 7 recessions. Since Reagan cut taxes, we’ve had 4 recessions. 1 was due to Covid, 2 were the mildest on record. 2008 was because of the belief that housing would rise in perpetuity.

Sure, labor creates wealth, but more productive labor creates more wealth. That’s ultimately my problem with the left in America, we desperately need to make changes, so people can be more productive with their labor, but if we made those changes, it would probably permanently doom the democrats. Like I said, defund the police, ban fossil fuels, open the borders and give out citizenship to anyone, men can get pregnant and women dressed up like they’re in A Handmaiden’s Tale aren’t winners at the ballot box. The left needs people poor and dependent on them so they can get power.

India for decades was run by the democratic socialist Congress party and the Nehru-Gandhi dynasty. Modi has only been in power since 2011, and it was only after India almost collapsed in the early 90s did Rao, Vajpayee and Singh start making reforms to open the markets up a bit. It’s still far left and everything the left wants America to be. It’s not ethnic cleansing, it has nothing to do with ethnicity. I’d take Clarence Thomas, a black man, over you, a white traitor any day of the week.

Okay, I should have written it’s made some people rich, but no country as a whole rich. If it had, Russia would be wealthier than the US, since it had significantly more territory.

You claim I don’t understand history, yet you admitted you know nothing about Brazil’s history of slavery and confiscated indigenous land, while I was naming actual names. You know what you hear from socialists/communists on YouTube, I know history.

I never thought you were a smart guy. I’ve always thought you were evil, stupid, and brainwashed, and I was right.

[khicks26]

Again, I don’t mind paying taxes if I get my money’s worth. Right now, all I’m doing is funding legal vote buying schemes as the country continues to go down the pipes. That’s the problem, there’s no political profit in a real long term fix, the political profit is in a monthly check being sent out. If technology made things better, there’s not going to be any poverty since that technology is available around the world.

Those aren’t myths, they’re backed up by census data. People moved to the land of opportunity because life was so much better here than over there, and our capitalism is to thank for that. It’s the same with E/W Germany, Singapore and Malaysia, Hong Kong and China, N/S Korea, etc.

He’s no worse than you were. It’s funny, you’ve spoken higher of Stalin than Reagan, and Stalin had literal gulags. Would it make you feel better if Reagan ordered the firebombing of civilian population centers like FDR? Or maybe he could have locked up his own people the way FDR did. The only reason you trash Reagan is that you hate him and his policies. If you like the far left policies of FDR and Stalin, you’ll defend them.

Rich people didn’t “steal the wealth”, they created most of it. The wealth of the country isn’t made by fry cooks. Again, the problem is people graduating from school and not having the skills to produce much.

I never said kill anyone. I’m in favor of rounding them up and sending them to a country where they’ll be happier. India is the world’s largest democracy. It’s built on the principles of democracy, secularism, and socialism. It’s multicultural, multi-ethnic, multilingual, and multi religious. India also has few white people, exactly what the left wants for America. Send them over there.

No, imperialism hasn’t made anyone rich. Again, if it did, we would see everyone with similar proportional results. Russia in the 2nd half of the 1800s had the 2nd largest empire in history, and it was a poor, backward country compared to the rest of Europe. If what you’re saying is true, Russia should have been richer than the USA, who had relatively few colonies. You have to rely on cherry-picked anecdotal evidence, not the records as a whole. I never said you live in a parallel universe, I said you claim to know what would happen in a parallel universe where America had no slavery.

I’m not projecting anything, I’m just pointing out the record of history.

You’re like the black knight in the Monty Python movie after I’ve just maimed your arguments. “’Tis but a flesh wound”, as your positions hemorrhage to a factual argument.

Nobody gets everything they want. You will never get YOUR money's worth. The left is bad and you want everything done your way. You think I like giving Trump money to make my retirement disappear?

I have never said people didn't come here. The myth is you saying how great it was. History says your full of shit. YEA YEA YEA it was better here. Pointless. Your talking point is a garbage platitude. Did they not have capitalism where they came from? Did they have a vast amount of open land? Did they have cheap and slave labor? All your saying is that capitalism goes to expanding markets and where labor is cheap. It has nothing to do with the land under it. After America it moved to China where it still is today. YEA YEA YEA its all the left's fault and has nothing to do with the nature beast. You sound like an idiot with this garbage because you don't understand the topic and want to dilute the conversation with stupid shit. That's why I don't want to talk to you about this, it's over your head.

Now its whataboutism? Stalin and FDR won WWII anyone should speak higher of them than Reagan. Does that mean I liked everything they did and wouldn't say bad shit about them? NO Reagan was a POS and you suck his balls. LOL

Labor creates wealth, capitalist profit and own that wealth. Yes a fry cook does create wealth, without him there is no wealth. You don't even understand basic terms, ridiculous.

India is run by fascist Modi. LOL So you don't want to kill anyone you just want to do ethnic cleansing. Great! What a fuking clown.

Imperialism hasn’t made anyone rich. What? You are the definition of parallel universe. LOL

You don't understand history. LOL

I bet in your universe that's a true statement. Here in the real world, your a box or rocks.

LMAO GTFOH LMAO


I use to think you were a smart guy, turns out your thick as a brick and no new thoughts can enter your head. If your not Brook85, your his brother.

[guitarjosh]

LMAO

I say: You just want to not pay tax's, blame the left for everything, and greed is good.
You prove it in the reply. Classic.

All of which has nothing to do with 1800's America and the myths you believe. Pointless. LOL

So, nothing about what a rotten person Reagan was? Most of the problems today you can track right back to Reagan. But the rich got richer so Josh is happy. LOL

No, rich people have stolen the wealth of the country and people want government to not be bought and paid for by the rich.

Now who is being violent? LOL Eliminate the left, who else in history said that? Maybe put them in camps or something. LOL

Yes, imperialism has made many countries rich. Yes, you used a false equivalence and told me I live in a parallel universe. You are accusing me of what you do. As I said projection is all you have.

Yes, this shit is funny as fuk. You say I'm helping make your point because you are projecting your point onto me. LMAO

You are like watching a hamster on a wheel. Keep running Biscuit.

Again, I don’t mind paying taxes if I get my money’s worth. Right now, all I’m doing is funding legal vote buying schemes as the country continues to go down the pipes. That’s the problem, there’s no political profit in a real long term fix, the political profit is in a monthly check being sent out. If technology made things better, there’s not going to be any poverty since that technology is available around the world.

Those aren’t myths, they’re backed up by census data. People moved to the land of opportunity because life was so much better here than over there, and our capitalism is to thank for that. It’s the same with E/W Germany, Singapore and Malaysia, Hong Kong and China, N/S Korea, etc.

He’s no worse than you were. It’s funny, you’ve spoken higher of Stalin than Reagan, and Stalin had literal gulags. Would it make you feel better if Reagan ordered the firebombing of civilian population centers like FDR? Or maybe he could have locked up his own people the way FDR did. The only reason you trash Reagan is that you hate him and his policies. If you like the far left policies of FDR and Stalin, you’ll defend them.

Rich people didn’t “steal the wealth”, they created most of it. The wealth of the country isn’t made by fry cooks. Again, the problem is people graduating from school and not having the skills to produce much.

I never said kill anyone. I’m in favor of rounding them up and sending them to a country where they’ll be happier. India is the world’s largest democracy. It’s built on the principles of democracy, secularism, and socialism. It’s multicultural, multi-ethnic, multilingual, and multi religious. India also has few white people, exactly what the left wants for America. Send them over there.

No, imperialism hasn’t made anyone rich. Again, if it did, we would see everyone with similar proportional results. Russia in the 2nd half of the 1800s had the 2nd largest empire in history, and it was a poor, backward country compared to the rest of Europe. If what you’re saying is true, Russia should have been richer than the USA, who had relatively few colonies. You have to rely on cherry-picked anecdotal evidence, not the records as a whole. I never said you live in a parallel universe, I said you claim to know what would happen in a parallel universe where America had no slavery.

I’m not projecting anything, I’m just pointing out the record of history.

You’re like the black knight in the Monty Python movie after I’ve just maimed your arguments. “’Tis but a flesh wound”, as your positions hemorrhage to a factual argument.

[Hareeba!]

It is hard to understand why anyone (like Hareeba) would insist Elon is a Nazi just based on that film.

But I think it's harder to understand why anyone (like you) would be demanding it's so clear that only mental illness could explain anyone seeing that and thinking "Huh, was that a Nazi salute I just saw??".


Neither of you even seem to want to see middle ground, let alone find it, or have a real discussion about anything. Political troll bots it feels like these days with you two.

Where did I label Musk a Nazi?

[Hareeba!]

Right now, if you import the parts to make a computer, you'll pay a massive tariff, but if you import the fully assembled computer, there's no tariff.

Truly a genius plan to re-shore manufacturing!