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Itsamazing777SBR Posting Legend
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Da Manster!SBR Posting Legend
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#4867Comment -
ByeSheaSBR Hall of Famer
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#4869
It's the equivalent of a pigeon pooping on a chess board and strutting around like it won a match.Comment -
DwightShruteSBR Aristocracy
- 01-17-09
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#4870
It's virtually impossible to have a discussion with someone who is committed to deception like Hareeballs is. He suffers from an obvious mental disorder where the only solution seems to be putting anyone, who dares to show his lies for what they are, on his fake ignore list.Comment -
strSBR Posting Legend
- 01-12-09
- 11560
#4871Seems to me that there are some very smart people in this political forum. It's easy to see. The passion is evident and the caring for ones position applauding. Unfortunately, most if not all of that gets lost, certainly to me, and I assume others, with the terrible name calling and half truths.
Everyone that posts in this sub forum knows that politics, at it's core, is about compromise. It always has been. But for those of us on the outside looking in, we never seem to see that. All we, or at least I see, is attacks, mostly personnel which tells me and I assume others as well, that this is not a political forum but a political rant mechanism.
Personnel attacks in any arena typically point to a lack of any honest content in which to discuss. If active posters want to really try and push their agenda, I might suggest dropping those personnel attacks.
Both sides have a lot to say, and speaking for myself, and being of no real "across the board" affiliation for either party and in my mind, at least somewhat supporting ideas from both parties, I would enjoy being educated by some of you who have poured a lot of time into this subject.
Heck, I have an open mind. Convince me of your positions. Have healthy debates between yourselves. But where this place is now, all I learn from it is that politics is a turn off and this arena drains me of any interest in trying to sift through the BS to find what something is REALLY about.
I hope that makes sense to you.
Good luck to all of you and thanks for reading.Comment -
jackpot269SBR Posting Legend
- 09-24-07
- 12821
#4872Seems to me that there are some very smart people in this political forum. It's easy to see. The passion is evident and the caring for ones position applauding. Unfortunately, most if not all of that gets lost, certainly to me, and I assume others, with the terrible name calling and half truths.
Everyone that posts in this sub forum knows that politics, at it's core, is about compromise. It always has been. But for those of us on the outside looking in, we never seem to see that. All we, or at least I see, is attacks, mostly personnel which tells me and I assume others as well, that this is not a political forum but a political rant mechanism.
Personnel attacks in any arena typically point to a lack of any honest content in which to discuss. If active posters want to really try and push their agenda, I might suggest dropping those personnel attacks.
Both sides have a lot to say, and speaking for myself, and being of no real "across the board" affiliation for either party and in my mind, at least somewhat supporting ideas from both parties, I would enjoy being educated by some of you who have poured a lot of time into this subject.
Heck, I have an open mind. Convince me of your positions. Have healthy debates between yourselves. But where this place is now, all I learn from it is that politics is a turn off and this arena drains me of any interest in trying to sift through the BS to find what something is REALLY about.
I hope that makes sense to you.
Good luck to all of you and thanks for reading.Comment -
DwightShruteSBR Aristocracy
- 01-17-09
- 102511
#4873Seems to me that there are some very smart people in this political forum. It's easy to see. The passion is evident and the caring for ones position applauding. Unfortunately, most if not all of that gets lost, certainly to me, and I assume others, with the terrible name calling and half truths.
Everyone that posts in this sub forum knows that politics, at it's core, is about compromise. It always has been. But for those of us on the outside looking in, we never seem to see that. All we, or at least I see, is attacks, mostly personnel which tells me and I assume others as well, that this is not a political forum but a political rant mechanism.
Personnel attacks in any arena typically point to a lack of any honest content in which to discuss. If active posters want to really try and push their agenda, I might suggest dropping those personnel attacks.
Both sides have a lot to say, and speaking for myself, and being of no real "across the board" affiliation for either party and in my mind, at least somewhat supporting ideas from both parties, I would enjoy being educated by some of you who have poured a lot of time into this subject.
Heck, I have an open mind. Convince me of your positions. Have healthy debates between yourselves. But where this place is now, all I learn from it is that politics is a turn off and this arena drains me of any interest in trying to sift through the BS to find what something is REALLY about.
I hope that makes sense to you.
Good luck to all of you and thanks for reading.
Doesn't it seem strange that in 2020 you had Biden's running mate helping raise money for bail for criminals and no one on the Left dared to criticize her because she was a democrats and Black? Even further, the only reason she was chosen to be VP is her skin color and sex. Why is this acceptable by anyone regardless of their political affiliation? You couldn't wear a MAGA hat in public and not get attacked in some way. Again, why is this acceptable by anyone regardless of their political affiliation? Then you have a kid, who volunteered to help his community from being destroyed like so many others across the country, who was attacked by criminals and pedophiles where one even pointed a loaded gun to his head, and the kid defended himself, killed and wounded these criminals and he was charged with a crime. Not only that, gofundme refused to allow him to raise money for his defense and the Left sided with the criminals and pedophiles. Simply because the kid wasn't burning down businesses in the name of a career criminal who died of an overdose which the Left blamed on systemic racism.
You have people applauding those who died during Covid simply because they refused to take an experimental drug. Laughing and cheering when they dies. Why is this acceptable by anyone regardless of their political affiliation? But it was acceptable.
I can go on and on but you get the point. If we can't agree of simple things like this or the border, then there is little chance of meaningful dialog. I wish that weren't the case. I have no illusions that anyone will change anyone's minds on key political ideologies of either party, but on just the couple examples I mentioned, there should be 100% agreement from decent people who want to live in a great country in peace.
Last point, how did we get here ...
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DwightShruteSBR Aristocracy
- 01-17-09
- 102511
#4874I mean heck, we can't even get the Left to admit that that all these indictments against a former president isn't election interference. The judge already convicted Trump before the indictment. He had no due process. He valued his property at 18 million. Banks came to the Trump corporation's defense saying he did great and he paid off all the loans. Also, they will somehow will pretend that asking people to peacefully march to the capitol is inciting violence. How can a reasonable people possible have a mature debate with someone like that? Its not possible is it?
I mean, if were talking about betting on a hockey game let's say. After then game was over, the score was 8-7 and one poster said the score doesn't really mean anything because the goalies didn't have their best games and the sportsbook should grade those who bet the under 6.5 as a win, how can you possibly reply without name calling?Last edited by DwightShrute; 02-17-24, 11:02 AM.Comment -
strSBR Posting Legend
- 01-12-09
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strSBR Posting Legend
- 01-12-09
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#4876makes sense but always keep in mind that no one is gonna change anyone's mind when it comes to politics. I am talking the big picture. At least not those who really follow politics. Perhaps the casual "independent", who really doesn't care to do their homework but feels the need to chime in every so often. I can only speculate why.
Doesn't it seem strange that in 2020 you had Biden's running mate helping raise money for bail for criminals and no one on the Left dared to criticize her because she was a democrats and Black? Even further, the only reason she was chosen to be VP is her skin color and sex. Why is this acceptable by anyone regardless of their political affiliation? You couldn't wear a MAGA hat in public and not get attacked in some way. Again, why is this acceptable by anyone regardless of their political affiliation? Then you have a kid, who volunteered to help his community from being destroyed like so many others across the country, who was attacked by criminals and pedophiles where one even pointed a loaded gun to his head, and the kid defended himself, killed and wounded these criminals and he was charged with a crime. Not only that, gofundme refused to allow him to raise money for his defense and the Left sided with the criminals and pedophiles. Simply because the kid wasn't burning down businesses in the name of a career criminal who died of an overdose which the Left blamed on systemic racism.
You have people applauding those who died during Covid simply because they refused to take an experimental drug. Laughing and cheering when they dies. Why is this acceptable by anyone regardless of their political affiliation? But it was acceptable.
I can go on and on but you get the point. If we can't agree of simple things like this or the border, then there is little chance of meaningful dialog. I wish that weren't the case. I have no illusions that anyone will change anyone's minds on key political ideologies of either party, but on just the couple examples I mentioned, there should be 100% agreement from decent people who want to live in a great country in peace.
Last point, how did we get here ...
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/LrwSnJ9qHQs
Me: Sure they will. I'm part of anyone. My dad was born in Picayune Mississippi in 1914. He literally saw a lynched black kid tied to fence posts when he was young.
I don't have to tell you how I was raised and the talk I heard in the 60's with the MLK assassination, H Rap Brown, and all that stuff. The riots in DC when I traveled by bus deep into the hood to go to high school from the all white NW portion of DC? Got my freshman ass kicked more than once if I was riding the bus alone after baseball practice while they rifled my pockets for any change I might have. Got in a few punches. But they got in more.
But once I was out working the backside and became a boss at 21 years of age, I had many black workers that worked for me, especially at Pimlico, a tough part of Baltimore. I came to really respect those guys. Some were older but most were my age or a bit younger.
I would ask them questions about their lives and they told me the answers. Then they would ask me. It didn't take long before I very much enjoyed talking to them about that stuff. Most were 18 to 25. Some in their 40's. I was 23-28. It was as enlightening an experience as I could have asked for. Heck, us younger guys used to go shoot hoops on dark days. And from that point on, any racial thoughts that were instilled in me as a kid, were all washed away. Turns out those guys, and I want to call them kids now, even though I was a kid as well, taught me more about life, respect, and kindness while working through barriers, then I ever could have imagined.
There were a lot of proud moments for me in my career but none better in my mind as when my man Thomas Palmer, a young groom for me who lived 3 blocks down from Pimlico, who everyone called Chris, or Chri as everyone said, nicknamed me Cool Capt. But the T was silent.
They will never know how much that meant to me. And they will never know how much they taught me about life and especially racism.
If they could have an impact on me to thankfully change a thought process about African Americans that was drilled into be from as soon as I could walk, than surely you and this forum can show me something, anything, that is a republican speaking point that I need to try and better understand.
Same goes for a democrat speaking point. I want to hear what they have to say. But I will be honest, I don't want to hear the crazy far right or crazy far left stuff.
Not all republicans are of the same mindset. Not all democrats are either. There are plenty in the middle.
But it seems that the loudest voices are from the extremes and the other side paints everyone from whichever party with the same brush.
That works great for the political news outlets that only do so because they can, and of course, for profit. But people don't need that nonsense, they need consensus and deep thought.
It would be pretty cool to see that happen here IMO.
I didn't mean to take just one quote from you Dwight, I just ran out of time.
Maybe more some other time.
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DwightShruteSBR Aristocracy
- 01-17-09
- 102511
#4878Quote: always keep in mind that no one is gonna change anyone's mind when it comes to politics. I am talking the big picture.
Me: Sure they will. I'm part of anyone. My dad was born in Picayune Mississippi in 1914. He literally saw a lynched black kid tied to fence posts when he was young.
I don't have to tell you how I was raised and the talk I heard in the 60's with the MLK assassination, H Rap Brown, and all that stuff. The riots in DC when I traveled by bus deep into the hood to go to high school from the all white NW portion of DC? Got my freshman ass kicked more than once if I was riding the bus alone after baseball practice while they rifled my pockets for any change I might have. Got in a few punches. But they got in more.
But once I was out working the backside and became a boss at 21 years of age, I had many black workers that worked for me, especially at Pimlico, a tough part of Baltimore. I came to really respect those guys. Some were older but most were my age or a bit younger.
I would ask them questions about their lives and they told me the answers. Then they would ask me. It didn't take long before I very much enjoyed talking to them about that stuff. Most were 18 to 25. Some in their 40's. I was 23-28. It was as enlightening an experience as I could have asked for. Heck, us younger guys used to go shoot hoops on dark days. And from that point on, any racial thoughts that were instilled in me as a kid, were all washed away. Turns out those guys, and I want to call them kids now, even though I was a kid as well, taught me more about life, respect, and kindness while working through barriers, then I ever could have imagined.
There were a lot of proud moments for me in my career but none better in my mind as when my man Thomas Palmer, a young groom for me who lived 3 blocks down from Pimlico, who everyone called Chris, or Chri as everyone said, nicknamed me Cool Capt. But the T was silent.
They will never know how much that meant to me. And they will never know how much they taught me about life and especially racism.
If they could have an impact on me to thankfully change a thought process about African Americans that was drilled into be from as soon as I could walk, than surely you and this forum can show me something, anything, that is a republican speaking point that I need to try and better understand.
Same goes for a democrat speaking point. I want to hear what they have to say. But I will be honest, I don't want to hear the crazy far right or crazy far left stuff.
Not all republicans are of the same mindset. Not all democrats are either. There are plenty in the middle.
But it seems that the loudest voices are from the extremes and the other side paints everyone from whichever party with the same brush.
That works great for the political news outlets that only do so because they can, and of course, for profit. But people don't need that nonsense, they need consensus and deep thought.
It would be pretty cool to see that happen here IMO.
I didn't mean to take just one quote from you Dwight, I just ran out of time.
Maybe more some other time.
Thanks
Its all good. For me its never personal. I am an avid sports guy guy and politics is something that fascinates me. Especially when we focus a particular topic. Whatever that topic may be, it seems that much of the time, logic and reason seem to take a back seat to emotions and party loyalty. I wonder why that is?
Perhaps its not that different for sports in a way. Loyalty tends to get in the way at times. There are sports fanatics who will hate on another team or player simply because of something that occurred years ago. They will never let it go. I will be honest, I hated the Toronto Maple Leafs for the longest time. Many of us did on the West Coast of Canada. The main reason was that CBC always showed Toronto on Saturday night growing up. That was long before the internet. The Habs could be playing the Bruins or the NYR, but we got to see the Leafs vs the Golden Seals. Sometimes I still joke about hating the Leafs but that is just to a known Leafs fan. Times have changed. I have changed. Some are incapable.Comment -
Hareeba!BARRELED IN @ SBR!
- 07-01-06
- 36897
#4879
I thought not.
You think it's quite reasonable in a forum such as this to drop any old shit and never clear it up when challenged?Comment -
strSBR Posting Legend
- 01-12-09
- 11560
#4880Its all good. For me its never personal. I am an avid sports guy guy and politics is something that fascinates me. Especially when we focus a particular topic. Whatever that topic may be, it seems that much of the time, logic and reason seem to take a back seat to emotions and party loyalty. I wonder why that is?
Perhaps its not that different for sports in a way. Loyalty tends to get in the way at times. There are sports fanatics who will hate on another team or player simply because of something that occurred years ago. They will never let it go. I will be honest, I hated the Toronto Maple Leafs for the longest time. Many of us did on the West Coast of Canada. The main reason was that CBC always showed Toronto on Saturday night growing up. That was long before the internet. The Habs could be playing the Bruins or the NYR, but we got to see the Leafs vs the Golden Seals. Sometimes I still joke about hating the Leafs but that is just to a known Leafs fan. Times have changed. I have changed. Some are incapable.
A. A good part of the reason why that is has to be, IMO, the TV affiliates that never do anything but try and rile up their bases. Watch more, hear more, get fired up, and they rake in the cash from the advertisers as well as personnel name recognition of the hosts.
Q. Sometimes I still joke about hating the Leafs but that is just to a known Leafs fan
A. Same here with Wash. DC and the Dallas Cowboys !Comment -
khicks26SBR Aristocracy
- 09-16-06
- 45475
#4881Seems to me that there are some very smart people in this political forum. It's easy to see. The passion is evident and the caring for ones position applauding. Unfortunately, most if not all of that gets lost, certainly to me, and I assume others, with the terrible name calling and half truths.
Everyone that posts in this sub forum knows that politics, at it's core, is about compromise. It always has been. But for those of us on the outside looking in, we never seem to see that. All we, or at least I see, is attacks, mostly personnel which tells me and I assume others as well, that this is not a political forum but a political rant mechanism.
Personnel attacks in any arena typically point to a lack of any honest content in which to discuss. If active posters want to really try and push their agenda, I might suggest dropping those personnel attacks.
Both sides have a lot to say, and speaking for myself, and being of no real "across the board" affiliation for either party and in my mind, at least somewhat supporting ideas from both parties, I would enjoy being educated by some of you who have poured a lot of time into this subject.
Heck, I have an open mind. Convince me of your positions. Have healthy debates between yourselves. But where this place is now, all I learn from it is that politics is a turn off and this arena drains me of any interest in trying to sift through the BS to find what something is REALLY about.
I hope that makes sense to you.
Good luck to all of you and thanks for reading.
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JIBBBYSBR Aristocracy
- 12-10-09
- 83693
#4882Why are we still funding endless wars outside our own Country?
Ukraine, Israel and even Taiwan should have been preparing for invasions and building up their arsenals. European Countries should be stepping up and not us. It's in their backyard not ours.
I'm tired of my tax dollars going overseas! I hate the Washington swamp.Comment -
DwightShruteSBR Aristocracy
- 01-17-09
- 102511
#4883
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Former FBI agent Stuart Kaplan on arrest of credible FBI informant who blew whistle on Joe and Hunter Biden alleged $10 million bribery from Burisma:<br><br>“When that 1023 form was released last year my colleagues and I knew at that point that informant was going to be sacrificed.” <a href="https://t.co/gLVt7fVGh5">pic.twitter.com/gLVt7fVGh5</a></p>— The Post Millennial (@TPostMillennial) <a href="https://twitter.com/TPostMillennial/status/1758926595585347787?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw" >February 17, 2024</a></blockquote><script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>Comment -
Hareeba!BARRELED IN @ SBR!
- 07-01-06
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#4884Comment -
DwightShruteSBR Aristocracy
- 01-17-09
- 102511
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Hareeba!BARRELED IN @ SBR!
- 07-01-06
- 36897
#4887Hundreds of Chinese immigrants have come into America. Below you can see them likely awaiting to be released into the country until their hearings.
These people, many of whom are not fleeing persecution, will get to remain here potentially for years while they await their hearings.
President Biden has tried to address this problem though executive action but the courts have overturned the potential solutions. The Bipartisan Senate has tried to fix this problem through legislation supported by Biden, but House Republicans have refused to support it.
There are always multiple sides of a story and multiple ways to place blame.
We need solutions, not politics.
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khicks26SBR Aristocracy
- 09-16-06
- 45475
#4888Why are we still funding endless wars outside our own Country?
Ukraine, Israel and even Taiwan should have been preparing for invasions and building up their arsenals. European Countries should be stepping up and not us. It's in their backyard not ours.
I'm tired of my tax dollars going overseas! I hate the Washington swamp.Comment -
jackpot269SBR Posting Legend
- 09-24-07
- 12821
#4890Why are we still funding endless wars outside our own Country?
Ukraine, Israel and even Taiwan should have been preparing for invasions and building up their arsenals. European Countries should be stepping up and not us. It's in their backyard not ours.
I'm tired of my tax dollars going overseas! I hate the Washington swamp.
I hate sending that much money and supplies overseas. But you hope if USA goes to war with the communist of the world, the ones you have helped will jump in because you will need them. You can't always look short term, I know it is instilled in the GOP.Comment -
Da Manster!SBR Posting Legend
- 07-13-07
- 17720
#4891Amen khicks26! keep preaching brother!...which is also EXACTLY the reason why constantly interfere in wars involving the middle east! (Persian countries)...because of our (USA) own self interest and selfish reasons...primarily OIL!Comment -
Da Manster!SBR Posting Legend
- 07-13-07
- 17720
#4892Why are we still funding endless wars outside our own Country?
Ukraine, Israel and even Taiwan should have been preparing for invasions and building up their arsenals. European Countries should be stepping up and not us. It's in their backyard not ours.
I'm tired of my tax dollars going overseas! I hate the Washington swamp.Comment -
Da Manster!SBR Posting Legend
- 07-13-07
- 17720
#4893So, if the USA went to war with China and RUSSIA you will be fine with the rest of the world just letting us fight them on our own.
I hate sending that much money and supplies overseas. But you hope if USA goes to war with the communist of the world, the ones you have helped will jump in because you will need them. You can't always look short term, I know it is instilled in the GOP.)
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jackpot269SBR Posting Legend
- 09-24-07
- 12821
#4894Democrats are getting desperate. This is only heating up. I can't even imagine what else they will try to deflect people away from what is rally going on.
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Former FBI agent Stuart Kaplan on arrest of credible FBI informant who blew whistle on Joe and Hunter Biden alleged $10 million bribery from Burisma:<br><br>“When that 1023 form was released last year my colleagues and I knew at that point that informant was going to be sacrificed.” <a rel="nofollow" href="https://t.co/gLVt7fVGh5">pic.twitter.com/gLVt7fVGh5</a></p>— The Post Millennial (@TPostMillennial) <a rel="nofollow" href="https://twitter.com/TPostMillennial/status/1758926595585347787?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw" >February 17, 2024</a></blockquote><script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
That video proves the hypocrisy on Fox and in the GOP party. When the FBI had evidence on Trump or whatever else maga was complaining about. They (FBI agents) were all crooked, or at least all the ones doing their job in that compacity, but when they got it on Biden, Fox guy being interviewed, goes on long spill about how the FBI would not keep people that was dishonest. Amazing how that changed so quick to fit them. Jesse promotes dishonesty and leaving stuff out to make what he is pushing look better, especially if it discredits anything he is pushing.Comment -
jackpot269SBR Posting Legend
- 09-24-07
- 12821
#4895that's an extreme hypothetical example Jackpot269...first and foremost, the vast majority of the world already owes us a debt of gratitude that could never be paid off. How many times we have bailed other countries out throughout history? throughout all of the world wars? who has primarily carried NATO's jock strap the last 50+ years or so? and ditto for the United Nations. Of course if we are being totally honest we really don't need the rest of the world. we got the bombs (and plenty of them), manpower, money, resources, etc. (the wherewithal to do it by ourselves) and so does Russia for that matter. that is why it would never come to that. unless some right wing nut is crazy and stupid enough to do it and push that little red button! but we aren't going to mention any names are we? (wink, wink!...)
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Da Manster!SBR Posting Legend
- 07-13-07
- 17720
#4896They must have stolen the GOP playbook.
That video proves the hypocrisy on Fox and in the GOP party. When the FBI had evidence on Trump or whatever else maga was complaining about. They (FBI agents) were all crooked, or at least all the ones doing their job in that compacity, but when they got it on Biden, Fox guy being interviewed, goes on long spill about how the FBI would not keep people that was dishonest. Amazing how that changed so quick to fit them. Jesse promotes dishonesty and leaving stuff out to make what he is pushing look better, especially if it discredits anything he is pushing.
100%
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DwightShruteSBR Aristocracy
- 01-17-09
- 102511
#4897They must have stolen the GOP playbook.
That video proves the hypocrisy on Fox and in the GOP party. When the FBI had evidence on Trump or whatever else maga was complaining about. They (FBI agents) were all crooked, or at least all the ones doing their job in that compacity, but when they got it on Biden, Fox guy being interviewed, goes on long spill about how the FBI would not keep people that was dishonest. Amazing how that changed so quick to fit them. Jesse promotes dishonesty and leaving stuff out to make what he is pushing look better, especially if it discredits anything he is pushing.Comment -
JIBBBYSBR Aristocracy
- 12-10-09
- 83693
#4898I'm sure old Dementia Joe will stroke out and die any day now. Dems better have a back up plan and not Kamala Harris!
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Da Manster!SBR Posting Legend
- 07-13-07
- 17720
#4899I agree 100%, I was being extreme to make a point. What happens if we sit back and do nothing and Puttin takes over most of the EU. In ww2 how many countries did it take to stop Hitler. What if, he had not been dumb enough to attack Russia, how many more years would it had taken for the rest of the world too to defeat Germany. Russia and China are both much larger. You could kill ten thousand Chinese every day for a hundred years and they still probably out number you. I didn't do the math, but there is a lot of them.Comment
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