"Religion is fine when you keep it to yourself"

[brainfreeze]

Such a christ-like response.

"Yo, I've got all this extra bread and fish...only the middle class can have some though, the poor get enough free crap"

FYI, the "obamaphone" program came in decades before Obama. You'd have known this back in the day when you were selling cocaine to minors.

All my clientele were grown, so please don't add your insinuations to my testimony, thanks...
extra bread ? We are in debt trillions of dollars... Go try to walk in to another country and demand citizenship, a place to stay, medical, and food.... Watch what ya get... Who am I kidding, you know better muldoon, you just refuse reality...

[Buffalo Nickle]

You watch too much TV. The people coming over has gone DOWN. But the reason they are coming is because we have destroyed every Latin American economy with our dictatorships. So stop voting for that crap because it is being delivered.

[brainfreeze]

You watch too much TV. The people coming over has gone DOWN. But the reason they are coming is because we have destroyed every Latin American economy with our dictatorships. So stop voting for that crap because it is being delivered.

I don't care why there coming, again... It's against the law! Why isn't are border secure ? I don't need the tv buff, I'm well aware of my surroundings, I know what yesterday looked like, and I can see today..

[Buffalo Nickle]

I don't care why there coming, again... It's against the law! Why isn't are border secure ? I don't need the tv buff, I'm well aware of my surroundings, I know what yesterday looked like, and I can see today..

That's why they are staying. You want to lock them in. They just want to come over and go back. But you've got them too scared. I don't know why you complain about this stuff when you are all for it.

[muldoon]

All my clientele were grown, so please don't add your insinuations to my testimony, thanks...
extra bread ? We are in debt trillions of dollars... Go try to walk in to another country and demand citizenship, a place to stay, medical, and food.... Watch what ya get... Who am I kidding, you know better muldoon, you just refuse reality...

You're just another phony Christian who won't walk the sandal walk.

You can copy and paste with the best of them, but to actually live like your "I'm not married but I hang with 12 dudes" savior is a bit tougher isn't it?

[brainfreeze]

You're just another phony Christian who won't walk the sandal walk.

You can copy and paste with the best of them, but to actually live like your "I'm not married but I hang with 12 dudes" savior is a bit tougher isn't it?

If your asking if I war with the flesh... Yes, I have blood, I'm human and I strive towards perfection.

Philippians 3:12
12Not that I have already obtained it or have already become perfect, but I press on so that I may lay hold of that for which also I was laid hold of by Christ Jesus. 13Brethren, I do not regard myself as having laid hold of it yet; but one thing I do: forgetting what lies behind and reaching forward to what lies ahead,…

[Buffalo Nickle]

If your asking if I war with the flesh... Yes, I have blood, I'm human and I strive towards perfection.

Boy, do you ever. This Christian stuff has turned ugly. So much for helping the downtrodden and taking care of what is mine.

[muldoon]

If your asking if I war with the flesh... Yes, I have blood, I'm human and I strive towards perfection.

I'm not asking anything. Maybe how you justify ignoring the directions of Jesus.

I'm just pointing out that much like prosperity gospel televangelists, or many loud Christians, you're a hypocrite who only use their religion to whitewash the damage they did earlier in life, and to sit in judgement and discriminate in the present.

(Not lumping all believers in this. KVB, GuitarJosh are two that I might not agree with, but are absolutely reasonable to debate with)

[brainfreeze]

Boy, do you ever. This Christian stuff has turned ugly. So much for helping the downtrodden and taking care of what is mine.

Give me a break, people die all through time of starvation, check out the story of " Joseph the dreamer " if you didn't have money... You didn't eat..and why do so many die you ask ?

Matthew 4:4
But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.

[Buffalo Nickle]

Give me a break, people die all through time of starvation, check out the story of " Joseph the dreamer " if you didn't have money... You didn't eat..and why do so many die you ask ?

Matthew 4:4
But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.

Yes. That's called evolution. Let them eat cake.

[brainfreeze]

I'm not asking anything. Maybe how you justify ignoring the directions of Jesus.

I'm just pointing out that much like prosperity gospel televangelists, or many loud Christians, you're a hypocrite who only use their religion to whitewash the damage they did earlier in life, and to sit in judgement and discriminate in the present.

(Not lumping all believers in this. KVB, GuitarJosh are two that I might not agree with, but are absolutely reasonable to debate with)

So, what are you getting at ? Your perfect ... Is that what your saying ? Josh and kvb are perfect... I'm sorry your not looking at reality clearly again.. I'm glad you don't like me muldoon ...

MEANS IM DOING MY JOB

[muldoon]

Give me a break, people die all through time of starvation, check out the story of " Joseph the dreamer " if you didn't have money... You didn't eat..and why do so many die you ask ?

Convenient how you bring out he Old Testament except when asked to defend the not so pleasant parts.

John 3:17-18 dude. Pretty clear if you follow it.

[muldoon]

So, what are you getting at ? Your perfect ... Is that what your saying ? Josh and kvb are perfect... I'm sorry your not looking at reality clearly again.. I'm glad you don't like me muldoon ...

MEANS IM DOING MY JOB

Never said I was perfect, nor did I say it about the other 2 people.

You are a phony and a hypocrite. I've linked to the words so maybe you can understand.

The fact that you can't grasp what I'm saying (not surprising since you consistently can't differentiate words like "your" and "you're") is pretty sad but explains your lack of comprehension.

So much time studying one book (yeah yeah..it's a collection of books), and not an ounce more intelligent for it.

[brainfreeze]

Convenient how you bring out he Old Testament except when asked to defend the not so pleasant parts.

John 3:17-18 dude. Pretty clear if you follow it.

What does that scripture mean to you muldoon...

[brainfreeze]

Never said I was perfect, nor did I say it about the other 2 people.

You are a phony and a hypocrite. I've linked to the words so maybe you can understand.

The fact that you can't grasp what I'm saying (not surprising since you consistently can't differentiate words like "your" and "you're") is pretty sad but explains your lack of comprehension.

So much time studying one book (yeah yeah..it's a collection of books), and not an ounce more intelligent for it.

How am I phony muldoon ? How did I tell you not to do something that I do myself ...and I know the difference, I just don't take the time to be grammatically correct each post, your is possessive, you're is directive...you sound foolish as usual doon

[muldoon]

I just don't take the time to be grammatically correct each post, your is possessive, you're is directive...you sound foolish as usual doon

Oh I see. So it's a time thing. Just so darn busy doing the work of the Lord ("Hello Jose...here's a bible..GTFO...hello Maria..GTFO out of the emergency room...I need to go see if my bets cashed in the gambling forum, no, take those war refugees elsewhere, we have no room at our inn")

[brainfreeze]

Oh I see. So it's a time thing. Just so darn busy doing the work of the Lord ("Hello Jose...here's a bible..GTFO...hello Maria..GTFO out of the emergency room...I need to go see if my bets cashed in the gambling forum, no, take those war refugees elsewhere, we have no room at our inn")

What? ... What at all are you talking about ? Stop trying to accuse me ... I don't know why I bother with you, carry on with your foolishness, have a nice blessed day

[recon1]

Muldoon not sharpest tool in shed. Don't bother with this guy.

[muldoon]

Muldoon not sharpest tool in shed. Don't bother with this guy.

By all means.

I couldn't "bare" it if the brain trust of clowns you yourself and frozenbrain didn't join the thread and instead reverted to praying to their big pretend scorekeeper in the sky.

[recon1]

By all means.

I couldn't "bare" it if the brain trust of clowns you yourself and frozenbrain didn't join the thread and instead reverted to praying to their big pretend scorekeeper in the sky.

Using manipulation, twisting of words and insults does not mean you prove any point(s).

Good-luck, your gonna need it.

[muldoon]

Good-luck, your* gonna need it.

*you're

[rkelly110]

[muldoon]

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Exactly. There are no threads anywhere in SBR trashing the nutty muslim behavior. Creepy

[marcoloco]

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Exactly. There are no threads anywhere in SBR trashing the nutty muslim behavior. Creepy

Criticize a Muslim? no that is just "wrong" and "hateful" but criticize someone who mentions Jesus and there is nothing wrong with that... Tolerance is not evenly spread in today's world

[guitarjosh]

Yes. And my point is, that is BS. There is no wealth without redistribution. It will also be reorganized. You only have property with the permission of those without. And Christians seek to deny freedom while non-Christians seek to have their freedoms. But somehow seeking your freedom is denying a Christians freedom. And you've got to be the worst libertarian in the world.

It's not BS at all, liberals like Charlie Rangel have said that. Of course there is wealth without redistribution. If I make something, the only way it isn't mine is if people without it take it by force. I agree Christians want to deny freedom, but trying to force people to live by your dictates is exactly what you're complaining about from Christians. You either don't know what libertarianism is or don't know my views.

There is no forcing of a tax and spend welfare state. That has been voted on. And the oppo takes it to whole new levels.

You don't get Pinochet with the vote. But if you do, at least you got what you asked for. You vote for somebody else theoretically and he can let them out.

Again, you're telling me you're okay with imposing your values on another, but they can't do that to you. The majority can't fund their welfare state by soaking the minority. You liberals always want minority rights when you're the minority, and majority rule when you're in the majority.

If you get Pinochet by majority vote, the minority didn't get what they want.

[Buffalo Nickle]

It's not BS at all, liberals like Charlie Rangel have said that. Of course there is wealth without redistribution. If I make something, the only way it isn't mine is if people without it take it by force. I agree Christians want to deny freedom, but trying to force people to live by your dictates is exactly what you're complaining about from Christians. You either don't know what libertarianism is or don't know my views.




Again, you're telling me you're okay with imposing your values on another, but they can't do that to you. The majority can't fund their welfare state by soaking the minority. You liberals always want minority rights when you're the minority, and majority rule when you're in the majority.

If you get Pinochet by majority vote, the minority didn't get what they want.

There is no forcing others to live by dictates when you simply are attempting to live without the restrictions of a religious majority. Big difference between someone using drugs and going to jail for 20 years and not being able to let a Christian throw a person in jail for 20 years. Any argument about non-religious forcing their views is babble in the world we live in. Maybe in an alternate universe you could create that problem.

And in that alternate universe, you can have wealth without redistribution without someone taking your riches by force. All wealth has been taken by force at one time or another and that is the status we live with today. So the rich are going to agree to redistribute in whatever world you live in because the alternative is to get their throats cut. Try explaining property rights to a grizzly bear. The same rules apply with humans unless you get buy in and you are going to have to give them something to buy in because they aren't that interested in serving their betters. And whatever that deal is it is pretty good for the wealthy.

[pronk]

And thank god (pun intended) for that. Our previous generations have handed us off a fukked up world. I'm glad to see the younger generation trying to change things.

Move to china you liberal, lesbo loving atheistic pinko meathead and advocate your black movement to chairman Mao.

[muldoon]

Move to china you liberal, lesbo loving atheistic pinko meathead and advocate your black
movement to chairman Mao.

You post that from church?

[GIVEMETHEMONEY]

You post that from church?

WOW you love to play the hypocrite don't you muldoon?

I for one and sick and tired of the freaking reverse racism in this country now.

non Reverand Al fukkup Shapton visited the house over 100 times.

Guess what to stir up more protest and violence so the freaking brothers can feel vindicated.

They need to grow the fukk up.

I didn't enslave their great grandfathers. They need to shutt the fukk up, grow up and learn to get along and quit waiting for a fukking handout from the DEMONAZICOMMIEFUKKUPCRAPPY pieces of shit who print money to give to the fukking whiners!

[swordsandtequila]

WOW you love to play the hypocrite don't you muldoon?

I for one and sick and tired of the freaking reverse racism in this country now.

non Reverand Al fukkup Shapton visited the house over 100 times.

Guess what to stir up more protest and violence so the freaking brothers can feel vindicated.

They need to grow the fukk up.

I didn't enslave their great grandfathers. They need to shutt the fukk up, grow up and learn to get along and quit waiting for a fukking handout from the DEMONAZICOMMIEFUKKUPCRAPPY pieces of shit who print money to give to the fukking whiners!

You mean like the Pentagon, Homeland Security, subsidies/tax breaks to Oil/Insurance/Pharmaceutical companies, etc? I'm with you

[guitarjosh]

There is no forcing others to live by dictates when you simply are attempting to live without the restrictions of a religious majority. Big difference between someone using drugs and going to jail for 20 years and not being able to let a Christian throw a person in jail for 20 years. Any argument about non-religious forcing their views is babble in the world we live in. Maybe in an alternate universe you could create that problem.

And in that alternate universe, you can have wealth without redistribution without someone taking your riches by force. All wealth has been taken by force at one time or another and that is the status we live with today. So the rich are going to agree to redistribute in whatever world you live in because the alternative is to get their throats cut. Try explaining property rights to a grizzly bear. The same rules apply with humans unless you get buy in and you are going to have to give them something to buy in because they aren't that interested in serving their betters. And whatever that deal is it is pretty good for the wealthy.

I understand, the problem is you want to replace the dictates of a religious majority with a non religious majority, as if a person rotting in jail for 20 years for drugs will find solace in the fact he didn't break a religious law to be put there. Did it ever occur to you that one of the main reasons people are in jail for drugs is because of religious people?

What I could do in that alternative universe, or this one, is take my wealth and hire people that are good at making weapons, they'll take those weapons and give them to people good at killing people, whom I will hire to keep people that would like to slit my throat and take my stuff away from me. Once those people can't slit my throat, they can come to me peacefully and ask if I buy some of their products or services. All wealth has not been taken by force, that is crazy. My computer I'm using to write this was never taken by force.

[Buffalo Nickle]

I understand, the problem is you want to replace the dictates of a religious majority with a non religious majority, as if a person rotting in jail for 20 years for drugs will find solace in the fact he didn't break a religious law to be put there. Did it ever occur to you that one of the main reasons people are in jail for drugs is because of religious people?

What I could do in that alternative universe, or this one, is take my wealth and hire people that are good at making weapons, they'll take those weapons and give them to people good at killing people, whom I will hire to keep people that would like to slit my throat and take my stuff away from me. Once those people can't slit my throat, they can come to me peacefully and ask if I buy some of their products or services. All wealth has not been taken by force, that is crazy. My computer I'm using to write this was never taken by force.

That works for as long as the people with the weapons are happy with their pay (which is a form of redistribution) and don't figure out that all they have to do is kill you to take your riches. That is what is known as a coup and has happened time and time again throughout history by the guys with the guns.

And your computer is sitting on top of a former hunting ground of the Native Americans and you are operating it in a land founded by the British Empire whose subjects had a damn revolution and took the whole lot for themselves from both the crown and the natives. And they weren't too polite about it.

[TheMoneyShot]

I love these threads

[guitarjosh]

That works for as long as the people with the weapons are happy with their pay (which is a form of redistribution) and don't figure out that all they have to do is kill you to take your riches. That is what is known as a coup and has happened time and time again throughout history by the guys with the guns.

And your computer is sitting on top of a former hunting ground of the Native Americans and you are operating it in a land founded by the British Empire whose subjects had a damn revolution and took the whole lot for themselves from both the crown and the natives. And they weren't too polite about it.

I'd keep my guys with guns happy. I'm fine with voluntary redistribution of wealth.

Back to the topic at hand, there is no profound difference between forcing religious values on people and forcing non religious values on people.

The natives never really made it to my part of town. They were peace loving people who typically didn't mind settlers of European decent abiding near them. Where I live was never under British control. I don't forcibly take anything from anyone.

[Buffalo Nickle]

That was big mistake. The peace lovers always get their throats slit first. All you have to do is run them over and it is yours. They never last long.

What non-religious values are being forced on people? The loss of the right to enforce religious values?