21 year old WHITE man just shot up an AFRICAN AMERICAN church

[itchypickle]

We really have entered the era of "weird"

The kid who shot Rep. G. Giffords and all those people. His dad stated his Son went off the deep end after being put onto heavier doses of pharmaceuticals and didn't show up at home for several days. When he came home his dad said he cornered him asked him where he'd been and all he said was some ramblings about being taken and was on a mission. I have not heard anymore about this.
The Batman shooter has videos of him on the net giving presentations where he is engaging with the crowd and likable. An investigative journalist found that he too was put on higher amounts of pharmaceuticals and that J. Holmes was seeing a former US Air Force psychologist who was trained in DARPA tactics.

Not sure where you stand on these matters, but i believe enough evidence exist in these recent mass shootings to open criminal proceedings that expand well beyond the suspects themselves. Due process is failing us and the attorneys for these suspects are leaving so much of the evidence i just alluded to off the table. Just looking for pleas and move along.

Timothy McVeigh also complained about a chip being implanted in his butt cheek by the Army just before he was discharged and went to work as a security guard for the defense contractor plant....personally I'm calling bullshitt on it...but if I was a conspiracy type it would be easy to note the coincidence....Iraq vet (first time around, not the most recent) who by all accounts followed orders well....went to selection phase at Bragg to join Group but was booted somewhere in the 3 week course for 'psychological profile' admin reasons and left the Army later that year....then the OKC bombing happened and he was popped for it.

[teaserpleaser]

Said the kid dropped out of high school in after trying to repeat the 9th grade...all making sense now.

sad to give up on yourself so early in the game...freshman year jeez

[Ghenghis Kahn]

Where did you live where you're house got broken into? Think I know one person but that was an apartment ....people are very nosey in So cal.

my parents house got broken into in porter ranch couple years ago when gold price was like $2000 an ounce. they stole all of my mom's gold. luckily no one was home.

that neighborhood was safe for a very long time but recently there's been a lot of break-ins there. i live in an apt in north hollywood so i don't really need to worry about break-ins but there are still crazy drunk fukks that bang on my door at 3am trying to open the door so you never know this day and age.

[itchypickle]

sad to give up on yourself so early in the game...freshman year jeez

Yep odds are if you can't handle 9th grade...not gonna handle life.

[Jayvegas420]

Typical legalese Donker.
I obviously don't know anything about guns so, you pick One word in my post & contort the truth.
Do I need to post all the pics of gun nuts eating at Chilli's & McDonalds & shopping at Wal.art while carrying semi automatic, fully automatic, whatever....
If you're to argue the semantics of my post you win.

But if you wanna stop distracting from the real issue & have a legit discussion.....
ie: your bull shit about the difference between semi auto & auto, like its a huge difference. Like that whT the real problem is.
You're the one e bluri g shit.
You're not at work, you're at SBR.

[R.P. McMurphy]

Anyone else wonder how it seems all these mass killers , Oswald, McVeigh, Boston, Batman etc now this kid. They all get swept up by law enforcement within hours or maybe a day. Just seems convenient these guys some suspect might be part of a bigger plot with possible gov involvement get busted so fast.

I mean these are just random guys who before the incident had no connection with their victims, like serial killers. That's why serial killers with no ties to victims are usually so hard to catch and take longer. But nope not this batch of mass killers who randomly pop up every few years. Cops been looking for 2 known felon escapees with every available resource it seems even to the point of overkill with stories of harassment and all the door knocking. But this random kid just falls in their laps on a routine traffic check when they barely had much to go on.

[itchypickle]

Meanwhile in Chicago over the same time period everyone is 'enraged' and 'shocked' but the 'terrorist' in Charleston.....multiple blacks have been shot just standing on the street corner when vehicles have pulled up and opened fire on them.....how is that any different than if a white person was the shooter and not more black kids doing the exact same thing DAILY. Got to love the media...shaking my head. I guess the whole 'hate crime' label is just getting overused....anytime you purposely murder someone it involves hate...so there should be no difference. My point is this....you can have 4 separate gangs commit 4 separate shootings under their brand in a week...and it goes unnoticed but let a single dude show up and do the same act of violence but change his skin color and suddenly the entire nation goes on lock down....Homeland Security is put on alert...congress jumps to start writing new laws and pundits a thousand miles away from the scene with no relation to the killing are on tv crying saying they are scared to go to the store now.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-chicago-shooting-violence-20150615-story.html

[R.P. McMurphy]

Agree IP that's just another day in Chicago and most hoods in U.S. And yeah that whole "hate crime" shit is beyond retarded just another trigger buzz term created to rile people up more. Murder is murder folks plain and simple unless it's self defense I'm willing to bet hate is involved vast majority of time.

[rkelly110]

How about if parents recognize how wacked their kids are. Get them help instead of getting them firearms.

Common denominator with these shootings is parents giving/ allowing their kids access to guns.

Don't know how old some of you were when you got your 1st gun. Whether for target or hunting, you wanted
to kill something. You wanted to see what that bullet fired from your gun would do to flesh. You wanted to see
blood.

While most of us just shoot helpless animals, these wack o's want to see human blood and the power that comes
with it.

[muldoon]

Meanwhile in Chicago over the same time period everyone is 'enraged' and 'shocked' but the 'terrorist' in Charleston.....multiple blacks have been shot just standing on the street corner when vehicles have pulled up and opened fire on them.....how is that any different

Such a disingenuous piece of shit you are at times. Gun crime in poor neighborhood between gangs is the same as targeting people in a church? Oh yeah, and of those Chicago people shot - how many died?

The article makes it pretty clear that these were either drug deals gone bad, or gang on gang violence.

[muldoon]

Why is this crime (in the church) even the slightest bit surprising? We see his rhetoric here in this very forum (much less in many other places)

The non stop racist stereotyping. The whining of "we have to take our country back".

There's no mystery here as to his motives. This guy is a direct product of the Alex Jones, Daily Caller, Drudge fire fanning. Mix in a prescription drug (he apparently obtained illegally), easy access to guns - instant massacre.

The fact that some wanted to wrap this as an attack on Christianity is penetrating laughable.

I'm just surprised more don't do it. Certainly enough big yappers in this forum alone who talk the talk.

White racists who feed the flames - this one goes in your column. You want Sharpton or Obama or some other black dude to own every D-bag who takes a shot at a cop, you start apologizing for this one.

[itchypickle]

Such a disingenuous piece of shit you are at times. Gun crime in poor neighborhood between gangs is the same as targeting people in a church? Oh yeah, and of those Chicago people shot - how many died?

The article makes it pretty clear that these were either drug deals gone bad, or gang on gang violence.

You basically made my point....not all of that night's Chicago shooting victims died but that one city is averaging 14 dead by guns per week now....and thats just Chicago....calculate in the other gang infested cities and my point is crystal....I'm in NO way defending what the kid in Charleston did...hope he gets butt raped twice a day for the next ten years in prison by the very people he claims to hate....my point if the phony outrage of the usual suspects on the national level to push an agenda....look at the media blogs this weekend about 'white guilt' and 'white america needs to apologize' for one whack job.....when before they even hit publish on their MacBooks a hundred other blacks are killed by stupid things just like you said above...drugs and gang beefs yet while these guys hold neighborhoods hostage and wreak havoc daily as their business model through robbing and other crimes in the enterprise.....we are supposed to now reflect on the civil war and call for guns to be turned in, not by the criminals, but by the people following the laws and the face of evil is supposed to be a few backwater jr high dropouts running around with themselves drinking cheap beer and partying in a trailer with a rebel flag across the wall? I say fukk both groups but I will bet you whatever amount you want that its what....almost 4 pm right now....before the sun comes up tomorrow you can Google search at least half a dozen murders of innocent blacks minding their own business across the country and they will not be by Bubba Backwater yet will still go unnoticed by the talking heads.

Accept the bet? Or just want to concede I'm 1000% spot on with my assessment of where the issues of gun violence are perpetrated?

I don't care if it was church in Carolina...what does location matter...aren't you an atheist? The location does not matter man...this shooter was said to have been planning to shoot up the local college instead but changed his mind....dumbass apparently wasn't aware of the lack of targets due to summer calendar but thats due to him never getting out of 9th grade and knowing how that works.

[muldoon]

my point if the phony outrage of the usual suspects on the national level to push an agenda....

Of course that's your issue. You watch 5 cable news channels non stop and cry like a bitch any time someone most people never recognize (Hartman?) says something that doesn't fit into your own agenda. Throw a few disparaging comments towards unnamed hipsters and play up the strawman angle to the max.

My being an atheist has what to do with this? Because I don't believe in that stuff I can't point out the location of the shooting?

You love to paint one race with a wide brush, then when it's turned around (wrong both times) you have a shit fit and start throwing out your chicago violence stats. You want to blame the actions of a few on entire race, well embrace McVeigh (a brother on multi levels) and the newest idiot to take FOX news and the rest to heart.

Go enjoy a nice glass of water with your kids before your nightly cross burning.

[The Kraken]

Itchy likes to bring up other events that have nothing to do at all with whats going on

He likes to murky the waters of discussion and give examples of something else that happened somewhere else, as that's some sort of evidence backing up his position but all it's doing is distracting from the actual discussion or topic.

Which appears to always be his goal anyways.

Sometimes just gotta reign him in and remind him what we're actually talking about

[Jayvegas420]

The Confederate flag flies everywhere in SC.
Streets are named after Confederate leaders & KKK founders.
That state is crawling with red necked white trash hillbilly's & they still cry that they are losing their country.

They own dozens of guns & the NRA is more powerful now more than ever....And they cry that Obama is taking their guns away.

NO OTHER country condones this & they still cry that they are losing everything.
Unreal.

[The Kraken]

Obama has been the best thing for the gun industry since, well, maybe ever.

Certain lobby groups created mass hysteria that Obamas administration was going to ban certain assault rifles after the theatre shooting and then again after Sandy Hook. AR-15's FLEW off the shelves. Lines of FoX sheep stood for hours before Academy Sports doors opened, just hoping there was an AR-15 on the stock truck that day. Then they loaded up on ammo. And they did this out of fear, which is a common theme amongst second right groups.

The whole time, obama said he was not going to ban any gun. He wasn't interested in it yet certain groups controlled the thoughts of the sheep and profited greatly from it.

And lets be clear, your gun rights were never in question Once again you bought into the hysteria

Sheep

[itchypickle]

The Confederate flag flies everywhere in SC.
Streets are named after Confederate leaders & KKK founders.
That state is crawling with red necked white trash hillbilly's & they still cry that they are losing their country.

They own dozens of guns & the NRA is more powerful now more than ever....And they cry that Obama is taking their guns away.

NO OTHER country condones this & they still cry that they are losing everything.
Unreal.

NRA members aren't the ones in the streets every night shooting up places though Jay....context.

[itchypickle]

Of course that's your issue. You watch 5 cable news channels non stop and cry like a bitch any time someone most people never recognize (Hartman?) says something that doesn't fit into your own agenda. Throw a few disparaging comments towards unnamed hipsters and play up the strawman angle to the max.

My being an atheist has what to do with this? Because I don't believe in that stuff I can't point out the location of the shooting?

You love to paint one race with a wide brush, then when it's turned around (wrong both times) you have a shit fit and start throwing out your chicago violence stats. You want to blame the actions of a few on entire race, well embrace McVeigh (a brother on multi levels) and the newest idiot to take FOX news and the rest to heart.

Go enjoy a nice glass of water with your kids before your nightly cross burning.

Its about the culture....both confederate loving whites and the thug life blacks. It's not bred into a race....its taught. Simple as that.

You can call it racist, I call it the facts. Not all blacks are thugs...but pretty sure 95% of the gangs doing the overwhelming majority of shootings are black. Same thing for islamic terrorism...not all muslims are terrorist but last time I checked....all the major players are muslims. If you want to be PC and bury your head in the sand because you might offend someone by calling it what it is...that's your right. But I choose to be an adult and just be honest.

[itchypickle]

Itchy likes to bring up other events that have nothing to do at all with whats going on

He likes to murky the waters of discussion and give examples of something else that happened somewhere else, as that's some sort of evidence backing up his position but all it's doing is distracting from the actual discussion or topic.

Which appears to always be his goal anyways.

Sometimes just gotta reign him in and remind him what we're actually talking about

Because what IS going on doesn't fit into the news cycle pal. Otherwise tell me how it makes since that this ONE shooting brings all the attention vs the thousands that happen the rest of the time? Skin color...plain and simple. It's the whole guilt and victimization agenda.

[THE_LOCKSMITH]

[Chi_archie]

those killed in the church were respectable people just trying to help someone out

the the thugs on the corners and in drive bys are "in the game" and choose to enter into the dangerous gang and cliche culture that ends life early with bullets or jail.

when a truly innocent bystander gets shot by mistake in drive bys, it often does make big news... such as Hadiya Pendleton

[muldoon]

Because what IS going on doesn't fit into the news cycle pal. Otherwise tell me how it makes since that this ONE shooting brings all the attention vs the thousands that happen the rest of the time? Skin color...plain and simple. It's the whole guilt and victimization agenda.

How about the fact that in crime infested neighborhoods, people have become used to the fact that crime begets violence, and that innocent people become caught up in this crime.

As a society, we've embraced guns. Criminals making neighborhoods dangerous is s byproduct.

VERSUS

People fed a steady diet of hate, given easy access to weaponry, and committing a mass murder on people in a house of worship.

Of course you defer only to skin color. I'd expect nothing less.

"but but but..they do it too"

Your crybaby routine about narratives will sell better your next John Birch meetup.

Admit that church shooting was practically porn to you and yours Itchy. Goyim...black ...both killed...news that gets you riled up. Win win win for you.

[rkelly110]

Have to side with itchy. People are calling for an honest discussion. Itchy is bringing it. Always does.

If more mothers got out and slapped their kids up side the head like that mother did in Baltimore, we wouldn't
see half the crime. But to be honest, the mothers and if the fathers are around, need their heads slapped around
also.

[muldoon]

If more mothers got out and slapped their kids up side the head like that mother did in Baltimore, we wouldn't
see half the crime. But to be honest, the mothers and if the fathers are around, need their heads slapped around
also.

You believe these people chose to die by shooting in a church. So what the penetrate are you even talking about?

[OnkelChris]

The Relationship Between Gun Ownership and Firearm Homicide Rates in the United States, 1981–2010

Read More: http://ajph.aphapublications.org/doi...chHistoryKey=&

Guess who is trying to prevent such studies with all efforts for years...yep. the NRA

Among people which minds are not burnt in with the right of gun possession those statistics are well known and logical.
The methodical spread of fear and scaremongering will delay the change in us peoples minds regarding guns for decades. Too bad.

[rkelly110]

Yeah? What of it? This isn't a religious debate or should I say a religion bashing debate.

[Ghenghis Kahn]

spot the idiot itt. i'll give you a hint. his handle starts with an "i" and ends with an "e".

[muldoon]

Yeah? What of it? This isn't a religious debate or should I say a religion bashing debate.

If these people chose to die by being gunned down in a church. Why even care about how parents raised kids or whatever?

By no means is it a religious debate - but I'm curious why you think it matters, since the guy was obviously part of their chosen destiny in how they were supposed to die.

[muldoon]

spot the idiot itt. i'll give you a hint. his handle starts with an "i" and ends with an "e".

iSeaweede?

Oh wait

[scumbag]

only read the first page and last page. some of you people should have the life slowly choked out of you.

itchy- you're one dumb penetrate. how i know you're a dumb penetrating clown? what's the dumb penetrating clown litmus test right now? "but... what about blacks killing blacks in chicago? or blacks killing whites?" that's the penetrating test you clown, and you passed with flying colors. you suck you lame-brained motherrooster_eater.

you're the lowest form of life and i hope the worst shit that happens to people, happens to you.

[TheMoneyShot]

I didn't know the magnitude of what happened with this story. I thought it was just another typical story....

I know we've always had a problem with race issues in America. But that was one dumb move that white kid did.

Might be the start of worse things to come.

[zizoudane10]

I didn't know the magnitude of what happened with this story. I thought it was just another typical story....

I know we've always had a problem with race issues in America. But that was one dumb move that white kid did.

Might be the start of worse things to come.

Doubt it. What do you think may possibly happen because of this?

[rkelly110]

If these people chose to die by being gunned down in a church. Why even care about how parents raised kids or whatever?

By no means is it a religious debate - but I'm curious why you think it matters, since the guy was obviously part of their chosen destiny in how they were supposed to die.

Because destiny can be changed by a simple intervention. IE: A slap up side the head. I won't stand idly by if
someone's in danger, because I believe it's their destiny to die that way.

[muldoon]

Because destiny can be changed by a simple intervention. IE: A slap up side the head. I won't stand idly by if
someone's in danger, because I believe it's their destiny to die that way.

Even if they chose their destiny - you decide to change it for them?

This is fascinating.

[scumbag]

If these people chose to die by being gunned down in a church. Why even care about how parents raised kids or whatever?

By no means is it a religious debate - but I'm curious why you think it matters, since the guy was obviously part of their chosen destiny in how they were supposed to die.

fox news trying to turn this into a religious debate shows how despicable they really are. it's offensive to the 9 dead to misrepresent why they died.

i'd lay 10/1 the gunman was a bible-thumper himself.

this is a debate about race and easy access to firearms.

i used to think that doing background checks, getting rid of assault rifles and extended magazines would be fine. after further consideration; it's a half-measure. we need a full-measure; handguns too.

shotguns and hunting rifles only, and even those should have certain restrictions.

you jagoffs think that the second amendment is about individuals- it's not.

In 1991, Warren E. Burger, the conservative chief justice of the Supreme Court, was interviewed on the MacNeil/Lehrer NewsHour about the meaning of the Second Amendment's "right to keep and bear arms." Burger answered that the Second Amendment "has been the subject of one of the greatest pieces of fraud—I repeat the word 'fraud'—on the American public by special interest groups that I have ever seen in my lifetime." In a speech in 1992, Burger declared that "the Second Amendment doesn't guarantee the right to have firearms at all." In his view, the purpose of the Second Amendment was "to ensure that the 'state armies'—'the militia'—would be maintained for the defense of the state."