So fast food workers want $15 an hour?

[khicks26]

This will have all the answers you need. Getting close to 2 million views on youtube.

[khicks26]

Those guys getting paid big money didn't get to that level by being stupid. If it were that easy, everyone would be doing it. Believe me, I know millionaires that don't do shit, and it does make me jealous, but they didn't get to that level by just being lucky. Risks were involved and sacrifices were made.

As long as people of entitlement take more for doing less. WE ARE ALL SCREWED.

[itchypickle]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/0...n_3461568.html

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-08-05/40-us-workers-now-earn-less-1968-minimum-wage

http://oregonstate.edu/instruct/anth484/minwage.html

http://www.raisetheminimumwage.com/facts/entry/amount-with-inflation/

Just to name a few

I thought you meant 40% actually make only the $10.74 in 2014 value. I get the price discrepency...I remember .99 gas an $1.50 milk etc....or in the 60's you could buy a new mustang for $2300 vs $30,000 now.

The minimum wage argument today though is taken out of context by 'supporting a family' as was stated by an above poster. If you have 3 kids, you're 40, and still haven't attained higher level of employment for whatever reason....you don't just deserve a higher wage as a default. minimum wage is a foot in the door to the work force....not a career achievement. Anyone who doesn't see that going in needs a good smack to the onion to snap them out of the confusion they have. There is a ceiling on how much the person pushing the button on the fryer can make as well as the person taking the order at the counter...you dont mow yards for cash in high school and get $50 for three yards on your street and somehow imagine that if you just wait it out...do a great job on the edging...that one day in a few years, the homeowner will start paying you $300 per cut, then $500 until you can retire right? Fast food is a jump off....its up to the worker to gain some level of skill or education to climb and compete. Not rocket science. I'm sorry but I can't feel bad for the person who never learns anything other than entry level skills and expects to be rewarded....theres another reason why its such a small % who earn minimum wage yet to listen to this debate you'd think everyone in America squeezes by on the wage.

[brooks85]

They actually have a union in Denmark for McDonalds workers and the cost of living there is significantly higher.

Consumer prices are 50% higher and restaurant prices are 100% higher.

lol, I saw khick's post and was about to make the same response but it was late. Guy is clueless.

[Kermit]

I have several friends that live in Australia that I regularly buy things for here and send over to them. Minimum wage over there is like $16 an hour, but everything costs twice as much.

[stevenash]

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Everything costs twice as much because of the labor costs.

[stevenash]

you want to see a boom in this country, shut down wall street.
share corporate profits with the workers who make them possible,
not the wall street pigs who do nothing but steal from the common man.

I work for a life insurance company here in Connecticut, I get a nice profit sharing bonus at the end of the year, works for me just fine.

[Optional]

I have several friends that live in Australia that I regularly buy things for here and send over to them. Minimum wage over there is like $16 an hour, but everything costs twice as much.

Gas about $3/gal
Loaf of bread $3
2l coke bottle $4
Big Mac $5
2l Milk $3
Beef/Chicken/lamb $4 - $6 lb for avderage meat up to $25/lb for top of the range cuts

Is that twice as much?

^
Everything costs twice as much because of the labor costs.

Not even close to being correct.

The minimum wage costs are almost never cited as a problem to business or a driver of inflation. And our Minimum Wage rate is reviewed and increased ever single year.

We are a small population a long distance from the world. This is the major reason why things are expensive here. And an even larger reason is that Australians are willing to pay more for most things than anyone else. In particular Americans. So every major company in the world targets our market for its profitability and charges us more simply because they can.

But here is the real kicker.... Australians on average are not richer than Americans. Top end jobs still pay more in the USA, but if you want to do busines in Australia and makes all those juicy profits you don't get the privilege unless you make your businesses plan work paying most of your staff $20/hr or more. And VIOLA! They manage it just fine.


Welfare recipients are paid more than a $10/hr 40 hour working week here... and yet the place has not gone broke and people are not on the street in poverty.

In fact the total opposite!


I don't think many of you Americans can really believe it's true when told... but not one single person in Australia is forced into the sort of poverty even working Americans have to endure.

No Australian needs to sleep homeless tonight. Not 1

No Australian needs to go without food ever.

No Australian needs to worry if they can afford medical care for themselves of their children.

No one in Australia needs to even know what being really poor is.

Not a single person.

It could be and should be the same in the USA. It can be!


Then go read up what happened in Australia during the GFC! What happened? Almost nothing to regular people, was hardly a hiccup compared to the way it destroyed entire US communities. Even cities like Detroit.

Same thing during the huge Asian market recessions of the 90s and early 2000s.

The economy is so strong and so well designed to protect its people we have hardly had to endure the pain these business disasters wreak over average people in most countries.



Y'all are out of your minds saying you don't care about min wage workers. or peopkle dont deserve this or that.

Stop fixating on what others might get "unfairly" and open your eyes and see how much investing into your weakest people improves everyone elses life so much!!

[teaserpleaser]

where do you guys live that $15 bucks an hour is considered a lot of money? barely a liveable wage in So cal ...i'm talking you wont be able to do much after the basics. The reason they couldn't get carsellers order right is who do you expect to get for min wage?Best of the Best lol?

[Weems2k]

What these idiots don't realize is that if all the Fast Food places started paying everyone $15, and above/hr; then the cost of going there spikes just as much. Who the hell is gonna pay $10 for a crappy burger that looks smooshed when they can get a quality burger at a nice restaurant/bar for roughly the same price?

And with the decrease of customers, goes a decrease in revenue which means a decrease in work force.

[stevenash]

^
Opt, I respect you to death, right now I am dog tired, but I do want to *respectfully* debate you on this.

[teaserpleaser]

damn a bigmac is 5 bucks in aussie land scary thing is I bet it tastes the same as here in so cal....how the hell they do that I have no clue a mcdonalds hamburger tasted the same in Hua hin ,,Thailand as it does in venice beach ,CA...probably not a good thing, matter of fact I know its not.

[itchypickle]

I work for a life insurance company here in Connecticut, I get a nice profit sharing bonus at the end of the year, works for me just fine.

This happens frequently among the majority of companies which is good...but the kicker to it is longevity and stability....hard to do with a high turnover field like Mcdonalds or a server at Chilis etc. And again...the reason is one is a short term job while the other is more of a career in that you will be with that company for longer than a summer. I remember many moons ago working for one of the chain restaurants as a youngster and it was laid out that things like insurance and other things like you mentioned weren't available until so many months even there....makes total since because why sit down and do the paper work on every single server/bar tender and have insurance company process it and start a policy and before its even been one payment period...that worker has already walked out and went elsewhere....big difference in that vs first company you work for after college and so on where you're expected to stick around so these things handle themselves.

[itchypickle]

damn a bigmac is 5 bucks in aussie land scary thing is I bet it tastes the same as here in so cal....how the hell they do that I have no clue a mcdonalds hamburger tasted the same in Hua hin ,,Thailand as it does in venice beach ,CA...probably not a good thing, matter of fact I know its not.

Big Macs and other 'proprietary meals' will always be the same whether you are in Manhattan Kansas or Manhattan NY...its not as if the 'chefs' at the golden arches hand craft each burger from scratch so their talent shines....machines do it down to the second with fries and sauces etc. Thats the business model of a chain...100% product consistency. And regarding costs...all figured in way ahead of time regionally and internationally its crazy the amounts of lettuce and tomatoes McDonalds orders by themselves....cant remember the exact stat but saw it on CNBC awhile back when they did a story on how McDonalds keeps so many independent farmers and factories and ranchers in business because of the millions of pounds of product they purchase....beef, vegetables, berries for the smoothies and so on.

[AimePor]

yes man its hard to live on less than $15 an hour.

do u really want to eat food from some dude who is get paid $7.25 to make it?

I certainly do agree with you - i seldom approach the fast food

[Kermit]

Gas about $3/gal
Loaf of bread $3
2l coke bottle $4
Big Mac $5
2l Milk $3
Beef/Chicken/lamb $4 - $6 lb for avderage meat up to $25/lb for top of the range cuts

Is that twice as much?

Here is the cost of a video game in Australia.



These are the types of things that I send over to friends along with other electronics and such. On average, things cost 65% more in Australia than they do here. And last I heard, gas over there is aronnd $4.50 a gallon, not $3.00.

[Optional]

I work for a life insurance company here in Connecticut, I get a nice profit sharing bonus at the end of the year, works for me just fine.

Ayn Rand would be proud of herself.

"fukk you jack. I'm alright". The American mantra!! Oi Oi Oi!

[Kermit]

Current gas price in Australia.

The price of 1 liter (1/4 gallon) of gas in Sydney is AU$1.54

That is actually like $5.50 a gallon.

[Optional]

Here is the cost of a video game in Australia.



These are the types of things that I send over to friends along with other electronics and such. On average, things cost 65% more in Australia than they do here.

Video games, Music and Movies and even TV are a unique issue.

Stemming from historical laws/attitudes designed to protect income of local talent we have monopoly supply chains for those items. And have traditionally paid a lot more for those things.

Has nothing to do with wages.


Australians hate that system now days too. Because it to the point of being unfair. We dont mind paying more but dont like being ripped off unreasonably.

There has been a largish backlash against Ikea here too. For charging more than double for exactly the same flatpack junk from the same factory as other countries do.

Costco knows how to do it right down here. Shelf stacker or bread wrapper or whatever entry level job pays over $20/hr, well over minimum wage, and they do sell their product for a little more but don't try to take advantage of the situation. They know Australians have an unreasonable sense of "fairness" we think businesses shoul;d operate by.

[Optional]

Current gas price in Australia.

The price of 1 liter (1/4 gallon) of gas in Sydney is AU$1.54

That is actually like $5.50 a gallon.

And I paid $1.38 today

so $2.92 per gal


EDIT: Oops, rad convertor wrong... its 3.7854 litres to the gallon

So $5.22 a gallon

(that does sound more like it)

[Optional]

Ex McDonalds staff are sought after employees down here.

Well trained with great CS skills.

I don't know if that is simply from being paid a proper living wage so they care to try harder, or if Maccas is different here. But I think its the wages.

[Kermit]

^^^There are 3.8 liters in a gallon. So you actually paid $2.92 for 1/2 of a gallon.

And I think the UK liquid liter is actually less than an American liter. I am not sure what kind you have.

[Kermit]

HERE is the conversion chart.

(Edit: Nevermind, I see you corrected it.)

[teaserpleaser]

medal of honor : warfighter was a horrible game anybody paying 99 bucks in any currency got taken...

[Optional]

^^^There are 3.8 liters in a gallon. So you actually paid $2.92 for 1/2 of a gallon.

And I think the UK liquid liter is actually less than an American liter. I am not sure what kind you have.

Yeah sorry, you are right about Gas. Should have realized I had wrong convertor as I knew our gas was a lot more more than yours.

3.7854 litres to the gallon

[downsouth]

What the fast food protesters dont realize that even if they are successful and fast food jobs begin to pay $15/hour to the barely qualified all that will happen is those type of jobs will get a mass influx of semi-educated people that are well more qualified than your typical moron fast food employee.

The guy doing data entry, clerical, etc for 12-13 bucks an hour will figure the fast food job at $15 is way more appealing.

Eventually the current fast food staff will be pushed into some other mindless job where they can continue to complain for whatever entitlement they feel they deserve while continue to deny doing anything to better themselves. (Education, show up for work on time, actually produce while at work, try having responsiblity)

[brooks85]

having been to sydney a few times now and will be returning for the rest of my life, I can definitely say things cost more there. However, the one big noticeable difference which I loved was red meat. Their beef prices are ridiculously good and you're paying per KG, not per LB. Their beef prices are so good in fact I saw a show a few weeks back about a cattle farmer who had bought a oil tanker type ship and completely renovated it to carry 20k head of cattle or 60k pigs. A floating ship full of cattle; would have to have awesome profit margins to do something like that.

But, back on point, just about everything else is a sticker shock when you bring your US dollar. First time I went there I went into this rx store and got deodorant, toothpaste and a toothbrush; it was an eye opener. Their wage system there isn't a bad idea either but I wouldn't hold my breathe for it being implemented here. The reality is australia has a fraction of our population and problems.

[khicks26]

lol, I saw khick's post and was about to make the same response but it was late. Guy is clueless.

The problem is not the min wage. Its NAFTA, CAFTA, REP's, DEM's, Greed, Bad foreign policy, over extended military, wall street, banks, milton friedman, neoclassical economics, corporate greed, unfettered capitalism, and the fuk the little guy mentality.

OK smart guy please give your thoughts on all these issues. Then we will know who is clueless. But i am sure you will have some right wing douche bag one line statement that has nothing to do with anything. Because your so much better than everyone else. You sit there, and cherry pick one thing. Thus you know it all. Grow UP you weasel.

[khicks26]

Fast food uses the same plan as Walmart. Lobby Washington to keep the min wage low. Pay your workers below poverty. Give them an application for food stamps. Let the tax payer make up the difference. Get rich off the common man. That's you and me. . Then all we have to do is convince douche bags like brooks 85, that this is a good thing, as we take money out of his pocket. Who is clueless. You my friend.

If you raise the min wage, it saves us all money. corporate greed

[downsouth]

Fast food uses the same plan as Walmart. Lobby Washington to keep the min wage low. Pay your workers below poverty. Give them an application for food stamps. Let the tax payer make up the difference. Get rich off the common man. That's you and me. If you raise the min wage, it saves us all money. corporate greed. Then all we have to do is convince douche bags like brooks 85, that this is a good thing, as we take money out of his pocket. Who is clueless. You my friend.

Not sure about your area but where Im from fast food jobs are not filled by the "common man". They are generally filled by either teenagers (chic fil As in area have great model) or by the barely functional. I hire a few lower income employees but someone would probably have to pay me to employee most of the people working the local mcdonalds, burger kings, etc.

[khicks26]

Not sure about your area but where Im from fast food jobs are not filled by the "common man". They are generally filled by either teenagers (chic fil As in area have great model) or by the barely functional. I hire a few lower income employees but someone would probably have to pay me to employee most of the people working the local mcdonalds, burger kings, etc.

You and me, are the common man. People that pay the bill for these under paid workers. Not the workers themselves.

[khicks26]

[khicks26]

[packerd_00]

Really?

I know this is going to offend about 30% of this forum, but fukk that.

Thursday I drive thru Wendy's and order a Double Cheeseburger combo ONLY Lettuce, Pickle and Mustard. I get only Ketchup and Lettuce...where's my fukking pickle? I hate ketchup, but since I already drove off I go ahead and eat the slop.

This morning I go the McDonald's and order a Big Breakfast with Pancakes. When I get my order I always ask for an extra syrup, it's a good thing I did because I didn't even have the first syrup in there. While I am waiting on my syrup I realize that I don't even have the freaking pancakes. Are you serious?

These jobs are for teenagers looking for a little spending money, not for adults trying to support a family. Why in the blue hell would I support giving them $15 an hour when they can't even get a simple order right?

Bring on the robots. Which is exactly what is going to happen if they get their way.

I just had this problem the other day at McDonalds,ordered a ice tea and end up with a oj.

[I/O]

They actually have a union in Denmark for McDonalds workers and the cost of living there is significantly higher.

Consumer prices are 50% higher and restaurant prices are 100% higher.

stop making sense Kermit