GOD

[brainfreeze]

Already done that. Typical religious fuuckk. "Sorry, even though I condemn your views, I have never actually read them. I just don't care enough to do so because I am a brainwashed retard. If I actually read them I would know that you caught me in several contradictions that I couldn't even remotley explain".

That's the smartest thing you have ever said!!!

What makes you think I'm going to study what everyone's mind wants to believe? I most likely read your views and skimmed past because I KNOW THE TRUTH. It's in the Bible... I care for you, I don't care for your beliefs if it's not in Jesus and His Words. I'm not here to argue it either.

Again, show these contradictory statements of mine... or will you resort back to this Old Testament and New Testament and law, and American law... ??

[maggiethebestdog]

What makes you think I'm going to study what everyone's mind wants to believe? I KNOW THE TRUTH. It's in the Bible... I care for you, I don't care for your beliefs if it's not in Jesus and His Words. I'm not here to argue it either.

Again, show these contradictory statements of mine... or will you resort back to this Old Testament and New Testament and law, and American law... ??

One might assume when you are telling someone that their views are incorrect on a topic oriented debate forum that you have actually read some of those views. They also might assume that you are arguing about them as well. I guess the truth is, which you just made very clear, that you don't care what anyone else thinks about anything because you know all the answers. Well, at least you admit to being a narrow minded, arrogant, sheltered, uneducated, lying dickhead. Good for you. Typical religious fucckk.

[brainfreeze]

One might assume when you are telling someone that their views are incorrect on a topic oriented debate forum that you have actually read some of those views. They also might assume that you are arguing about them as well. I guess the truth is, which you just made very clear, that you don't care what anyone else thinks about anything because you know all the answers. Well, at least you admit to being a narrow minded, arrogant, sheltered, uneducated, lying dickhead. Good for you. Typical religious fucckk.

There's 100 different views by idk how many people in this thread. No1here believes some kind of spiritual mess idk believe either and I respectfully decline to study it. I don't know what you believe but again, I've said many times through out this thread. I've already found God.

I didn't come here to debate either. I left references for that like the nye vs ham. I'm here to share my testimony here and there. Post about God or discuss the scripture in the Bible here .. and there. Go head though, call me things that I'm not, moving on..

[maggiethebestdog]

There's 100 different views by idk how many people in this thread. No1here believes some kind of spiritual mess idk believe either and I respectfully decline to study it. I don't know what you believe but again, I've said many times through out this thread. I've already found God.

I didn't come here to debate either. I left references for that like the nye vs ham. I'm here to share my testimony here and there. Post about God or discuss the scripture in the Bible here .. and there. Go head though, call me things that I'm not, moving on..

Actually, you are incapable of discussing the Bible. That was proven quite a while ago. Maybe if you read anything being written here you would know that.

[Snowball]

There's 100 different views by idk how many people in this thread..

quantity of opinion is not quality of opinion.

how else can anyone explain our last 4 presidents ?

[BigDofBA]

What makes you think I'm going to study what everyone's mind wants to believe? I most likely read your views and skimmed past because I KNOW THE TRUTH. It's in the Bible... I care for you, I don't care for your beliefs if it's not in Jesus and His Words. I'm not here to argue it

How are you sure that the Bible is God's word? Why isn't the Quran, Book of Mormon, or Torah God's word? What is your best argument that Christianity is correct and all other religions are wrong? Please don't say faith. Muslims have faith and die for it.

Why are you a Christian? Why aren't you Muslim or Jewish?

I tried to understand as much about the many religions as I could after I left Christianity. None of them make sense and all of them contradict each other.

I was only a Christian because I was born in a Christian country to Christian parents. If I was born into a Muslim family in a Muslim country I'm sure I would have grown up Muslim.

Are you seeing the logic from an Atheist's perspective yet? I have conversations with
Christians all the time and they don't even understand other religions and haven't tried to. How can you have faith in your one religion when you don't even understand that there are others out there?

You do understand that each religion thinks that their religion is the only right religion? This just can't be possible. Either one religion is right or they are all wrong.

You're an atheist with respect to all religions but yours. I am the same I just believe in one less religion than you. Think about it.

[rkelly110]

There are no athiests in fox holes with bombs blowing up all around you and the enemy charging your ass.
If you don't have a god, you can bet your sweet bippy, you'll make one up..........word.

[maggiethebestdog]

There are no athiests in fox holes with bombs blowing up all around you and the enemy charging your ass.
If you don't have a god, you can bet your sweet bippy, you'll make one up..........word.

At least you can admit that Gods are all made up because of the human condition some people have. Perfectly understandable.

[BigDofBA]

There are no athiests in fox holes with bombs blowing up all around you and the enemy charging your ass.
If you don't have a god, you can bet your sweet bippy, you'll make one up..........word.

What?

Are you saying Atheist don’t serve in the military?

You can’t just make shit up with no evidence.

What are you saying?

[BigDofBA]

At least you can admit that Gods are all made up because of the human condition some people have. Perfectly understandable.

Yep. Like when people goto jail for murder and suddenly “find God”.

Apparently law abiding citizens like myself don’t get in but killers do if they claim God before they die.

[brainfreeze]

How are you sure that the Bible is God's word? Why isn't the Quran, Book of Mormon, or Torah God's word? What is your best argument that Christianity is correct and all other religions are wrong? Please don't say faith. Muslims have faith and die for it.

Why are you a Christian? Why aren't you Muslim or Jewish?

I tried to understand as much about the many religions as I could after I left Christianity. None of them make sense and all of them contradict each other.

I was only a Christian because I was born in a Christian country to Christian parents. If I was born into a Muslim family in a Muslim country I'm sure I would have grown up Muslim.

Are you seeing the logic from an Atheist's perspective yet? I have conversations with
Christians all the time and they don't even understand other religions and haven't tried to. How can you have faith in your one religion when you don't even understand that there are others out there?

You do understand that each religion thinks that their religion is the only right religion? This just can't be possible. Either one religion is right or they are all wrong.

You're an atheist with respect to all religions but yours. I am the same I just believe in one less religion than you. Think about it.

Guess you want a ex muslims thought... here, I've spoken with you a lot through out this thread d, .... don't know what else to say guy... don't know where questions arise when your mind seems pretty molded and harden in that thought..

[BigDofBA]

Guess you want a ex muslims thought... here, I've spoken with you a lot through out this thread d, .... don't know what else to say guy... don't know where questions arise when your mind seems pretty molded and harden in that thought..

I never put you down personally or pop off to you like a lot of the religious people in this thread have popped off to me. I respect you. I don't respect religion.

As for my questions, I never get a good response. I ask a simple questions like..

"Why are you a Christian instead of some other relgion?"
"Why do you believe the bible over other religious texts?"

Then people goto google and find some obscure verse in the bible and copy and paste it or they goto youtube and find some video and share it. You can not prove the Bible by quoting the Bible. Otherwise, you could prove the Torrah by quoting the Torrah.

I want people to tell me using their own minds and answer. I don't want them to go repeat what some one else said or what some preacher said. That just further reiterates the fact that a lot of people are brainwashed and aren't thinking on their own.

I don't think asking, "How do you know Christianity is the correct religion and why did you choose to become a Christian" should really be that hard to explain. I'm not looking for what some preacher says or what some youtuber says. I want people to use their own brains.

I would assume you Christians don't believe in any other religion. So why do you believe in Christianity? My theory is that religion is something that people are born into or it's mainly geographical. There are outlyers for sure but for the most part, the West is Christian, Middle East Muslim, and India is Hindu or Buddhists.

Geography plays a big role in what religion people are. That's why I want people to explain why they think their religious beliefs are correct and everyone else in the world that has different beliefs is wrong.

[brainfreeze]

What?

Are you saying Atheist don’t serve in the military?

You can’t just make shit up with no evidence.

What are you saying?

What he's saying is he's clueless and he wants to make mess of a good post from this thread (recon1's)...

[brainfreeze]

I never put you down personally or pop off to you like a lot of the religious people in this thread have popped off to me. I respect you. I don't respect religion.

As for my questions, I never get a good response. I ask a simple questions like..

"Why are you a Christian instead of some other relgion?"
"Why do you believe the bible over other religious texts?"

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appreciate that d, love to you man ... I hate your stubborness. I don't know what to think about your passion to describe how you feel but you are determined... good for you. I understand you get along fine in life without knowing there's a God but you aren't whole. There's a itch you haven't scratched and maybe that's why you come to this thread bent to disprove what you don't understand. I don't know why you look to man (preachers and such) to begin with... we have to take responsibility ourselves ... no one can answer for us. Only us, Him, and His Word.

Also I can show you, Jewish Christians, Arabic Christian, Asian christian, Black, White, .. Spanish, you name it... so when you speak geography, you know Jesus traveled a lot right?

As for why i believe, I'm my own man d.. I told you my parents were catholic, pop still is... Peter is his rock, he doesn't want to hear it either.. like seaweed or snowball... some people are just stuck in their position and what they believe to be right( for whatever reasons). God knows their heart, I don't judge actions, He does. I just follow the Word and my heart, the Sprirt leads, I've told you my testimony... if you seen the Bible come to life as I do.. then you would see, close example is like that movie ... Jumanji .. like opening a box or something and everything coming to life. Best I can describe is why I believe ... He's real, His Words are real, His worlds real and so is the heavens...

[Snowball]

Yep. Like when people goto jail for murder and suddenly “find God”.

Apparently law abiding citizens like myself don’t get in but killers do if they claim God before they die.

Are you abiding God's law ? Probably so...

[BigDofBA]

Are you abiding God's law ? Probably so...

So rapist, murders, child abusers, etc. are all eligible just because they declare their faith?

I live a great life and don't get in because I don't proclaim faith?

I would rather got hell with people like me than spend eternity with people like I just mentioned. Thanks.

[brainfreeze]

So rapist, murders, child abusers, etc. are all eligible just because they declare their faith?

I live a great life and don't get in because I don't proclaim faith?

I would rather got hell with people like me than spend eternity with people like I just mentioned. Thanks.

You are a sinner d, you fall short. You need Jesus. We all do. As for God I believe the scriptures when it says He's a just God. The immoral and impure will not inherit the Kingdom of God. I believe He's the final Judge and has judges... We all need Jesus.. He is the discerner of heart, mind, and deed..

[Snowball]

So rapist, murders, child abusers, etc. are all eligible just because they declare their faith?

I live a great life and don't get in because I don't proclaim faith?

I would rather got hell with people like me than spend eternity with people like I just mentioned. Thanks.

If they sincerely repent and live in grace and penance, ultimately they will receive forgiveness,
if they do not, then it is unlikely, since we're talking in generalizations here.
I have no comment on your lack of faith or how specific it is, or permanent it will be.

[BigDofBA]

If they sincerely repent and live in grace and penance, ultimately they will receive forgiveness,
if they do not, then it is unlikely, since we're talking in generalizations here.
I have no comment on your lack of faith or how specific it is, or permanent it will be.

Ok. So are you a Christian?

Can you explain to me why?

Why is Christianity your religion?

[Nitrogen]

When shit like babies get cancer, or shooters kill dozens, out comes the "God or Gods Will is unknowable."

But ask how you get into The Infinity Cloud Motel, and apparently his rules couldn't be more specific.

[BigDofBA]

Different Religions
Christianity
Islam
Judaism
Buddhism
Mormonism
etc.

"Within" these "different" religions there are "different" sects that have different beliefs and interpretations.

Example of different sects
Christianity - Catholic, Baptist, Methodist, Lutheran, Pentacostal, etc. (hell, even with each of those sects there are variations.
Islam - Sunni, Shiite
etc.

Different Books
Bible
Torrah
Quran
Book of Mormon
Tripitakas
etc

Conclusion
No wonder no one can answer my very simple question on why they believe the religion they believe....there is no good reason. Every one of these religions and groups thinks that they are the only correct religion. This is just impossible. Even if one religion is correct (unlikely) this would render all other religions incorrect.

Christians are atheists with respect to all religions except Christianity....I just take it one religion further.

Again, can any Christian explain to me why they chose Christianity?

[brainfreeze]

Again, can any Christian explain to me why they chose Christianity?

Because I believe the Bible to be the Word of God.

~Christian

[Nitrogen]

Because I believe the Bible to be the Word of God.

~Christian

So after reading the Bible, The Torah, The Koran, Bhagavad Gita, Kojiki, Dianetics, the teachings of Buddha and others, you settled on Christianity?

[BigDofBA]

Because I believe the Bible to be the Word of God.

~Christian

So no reasoning?

A Muslim would say they believe the Quran to be the word of God.

You’re not telling me anything I don’t already know. I know you believe in the Bible. I’m asking why.

Why do you believe the Bible and none of the other religions? Is it just because you were born in America and Christianity is the predominant religion?

It doesn’t seem like such a simple question should be so hard to answer.

[maggiethebestdog]

Do you ask the guy talking to the voices he hears in his head why he believes those voices??? Of course not. It's the same reason. Mental illness.

[BigDofBA]

Do you ask the guy talking to the voices he hears in his head why he believes those voices??? Of course not. It's the same reason. Mental illness.

I’m not going to bash anyone. I just want their reason.

Why is it that after I ask this question it’s suddenly crickets in here?

Why do you people believe in Christianity and the Bible over the other religions and their religious books?

That’s it. That’s all I want to know.

The Christians say they believe the Bible. Muslims say they believe the Quran. Jews believe the Torah. Why? What makes yours any more accurate than the others? How did you come to a point when you knew yours was right?

[brainfreeze]

d, you always have a ton of questions man and we've went over all of this. Let me ask you a question. Let's say, Jesus does exist. As we do have historical recorder (from non Christian historical figures) ...

Considering how you say you are pretty knowledgeable of the Bible. What do YOU think of Jesus... ?

[BigDofBA]

d, you always have a ton of questions man and we've went over all of this. Let me ask you a question. Let's say, Jesus does exist. As we do have historical recorder (from non Christian historical figures) ...

Considering how you say you are pretty knowledgeable of the Bible. What do YOU think of Jesus... ?

The question of mine still hasn’t been answered...

As for Jesus, I’m still not convinced that he ever existed. Most of the testimony about Jesus came several decades after he supposedly walked the earth and it was promoted by people that had a Christian agenda. A lot of it was stories passed around by word of mouth.

As far as the Bible’s version of Jesus, from everything I know, he seems like a great guy. With that said, that doesn’t prove he existed or was son of God.

Do you believe in Muhammad?

As for asking questions, that’s what people should do imo. I’m an advocate of people thinking for themselves and coming to their own conclusions.

If someone really believes in Christianity, that’s their right. As an atheist, I just would like to understand these people and why they chose Christianity and he Bible over all of the other religions.

[brainfreeze]

The question of mine still hasn’t been answered...

As for Jesus, I’m still not convinced that he ever existed. Most of the testimony about Jesus came several decades after he supposedly walked the earth and it was promoted by people that had a Christian agenda. A lot of it was stories passed around by word of mouth.

As far as the Bible’s version of Jesus, from everything I know, he seems like a great guy. With that said, that doesn’t prove he existed or was son of God.


As for asking questions, that’s what people should do imo. I’m an advocate of people thinking for themselves and coming to their own conclusions.

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scholars are..

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tacitus_on_Christ

" Scholars generally consider Tacitus references to the execution of Jesus by puntius pilote to be both authentic and of historic value of an independent roman source " (non-Christian conformation)



Asking questions isn't necessarily the problem. It's questions you've already asked mostly. Things I could repost and you know this. We've talked about all the religions and the history of them. We've discussed at length the differences. You can't say you didn't get the answers. You need to read back over the thread d, maybe repost something from an old thought you still don't understand or something ..

He seems like a great guy, right? Is there any reason why you wouldn't want to live as He taught? Is there anything He said that makes you question Christ?

[Snowball]

If someone really believes in Christianity, that’s their right. As an atheist, I just would like to understand these people and why they chose Christianity and he Bible over all of the other religions.

BigD, your questions are very demanding and personal, they would require a long time committment
for me to answer. I do believe in miracles, saints, apparitions, the shroud of turin, and all the magic
in the world and the heavens.. for me, to believe that a man performed miracles, was crucified willingly,
and appeared to his followers and others after his death as described in the gospels and other earlier
writings, considering the history of the 1st century and subsequent early history, where these followers
changed human history so much that we date our years by his birthday is not hard to believe at all.
I don't believe people make things up out of thin air and are willing to be martyred most egregiously
over made-up stories. I would rather not get into my personal experiences here. Don't be afraid to
open your mind and widen your historical and metaphysical understanding. Christianity has religious
aspects because they benefit society and individuals, but Christianity is not an abstract religion at all.

[maggiethebestdog]

I’m not going to bash anyone. I just want their reason.

Why is it that after I ask this question it’s suddenly crickets in here?

Why do you people believe in Christianity and the Bible over the other religions and their religious books?

That’s it. That’s all I want to know.

The Christians say they believe the Bible. Muslims say they believe the Quran. Jews believe the Torah. Why? What makes yours any more accurate than the others? How did you come to a point when you knew yours was right?

Let me clear that up. I am not bashing them for having a mental illness. I am bashing them for being so arrogant, rude, obnoxious, judgmental etc...

Bragging that you don't listen to anyone or even know what others believe because YOU know the truth and they are all wrong is the height of being an asshole. We all have passionate opinions but most of realize that they are just that, opinions.

[maggiethebestdog]

BigD, your questions are very demanding and personal, they would require a long time committment
for me to answer. I do believe in miracles, saints, apparitions, the shroud of turin, and all the magic
in the world and the heavens.. for me, to believe that a man performed miracles, was crucified willingly,
and appeared to his followers and others after his death as described in the gospels and other earlier
writings, considering the history of the 1st century and subsequent early history, where these followers
changed human history so much that we date our years by his birthday is not hard to believe at all.
I don't believe people make things up out of thin air and are willing to be martyred most egregiously
over made-up stories. I would rather not get into my personal experiences here. Don't be afraid to
open your mind and widen your historical and metaphysical understanding. Christianity has religious
aspects because they benefit society and individuals, but Christianity is not an abstract religion at all.

There are 10's of thousands of RECOGNIZED Christian sects in the world, but the religion is not abstract. Mental illness.

[brainfreeze]

Let me clear that up. I am not bashing them for having a mental illness. I am bashing them for being so arrogant, rude, obnoxious, judgmental etc...

Bragging that you don't listen to anyone or even know what others believe because YOU know the truth and they are all wrong is the height of being an asshole. We all have passionate opinions but most of realize that they are just that, opinions.

Ok, you start by bashing calling Christians mentally ill. Then you constantly slander me, calling me all kinds of liars and telling me I'm contradictory, I don't know the Bible, all kind of profanities, sheltered, blah bla and have yet to show anything...

just name calling, you don't know me, you don't know my life now or what it was then. You don't know the cold nights of this life I've survived. You don't know what I've lost or what God has restored. Do you think some ordinary Christian is going to come spend his own time doing this on a forum like this... you're mistaken.. and there's a difference between arrogance and realization of truth and understanding.

Yet here I am still conversing, after blatant lies and disrespect ... that's love

[maggiethebestdog]

Ok, you start by bashing calling Christians mentally ill. Then you constantly slander me, calling me all kinds of liars and telling me I'm contradictory, I don't know the Bible, all kind of profanities, sheltered, blah bla and have yet to show anything...

just name calling, you don't know me, you don't know my life now or what it was then. You don't know the cold nights of this life I've survived. You don't know what I've lost or what God has restored. Do you think some ordinary Christian is going to come spend his own time doing this on a forum like this... you're mistaken.. and there's a difference between arrogance and realization of truth and understanding.

Yet here I am still conversing, after blatant lies and disrespect ... that's love

I showed where you contradicted yourself SEVERAL times. You then tried to deny your initial words meant exactly what they said. That is lying. You do have a mental illness, so that is not bashing you. You told me point blank you don't read or care what anyone else says because you know the real truth. That is being an uneducated asshole.

Thanks for forgiving me for telling the truth. You are a peach.

[rkelly110]

There are 10's of thousands of RECOGNIZED Christian sects in the world, but the religion is not abstract. Mental illness.

Those who yell the loudest are the most guilty, eh Margaret?

This thread is about religion. We don't need or want you calling people names. A wise man once said, sometimes it's better to shut your pie hole and listen, you might learn something.