GOD

[brainfreeze]

If you really want to dig into the Bible, it's not a good book on morality anyway. With the scriptures about owning slaves, stoning women, killing children and gays, etc. it actually has some horrible shit in it. With that said, you won't see Joel Osteen teaching this scripture when he is trying to get your money so he can add an airstrip to his mansion.

Morality? You mean ... law, and good from bad? Hmmm wonder where our laws come from..

as for the rest we've went through it and they haven't made a bot that yaks back yet, so... it doesn't matter what you see on the screen you won't listen, mind's made up. Do you just copy and paste this stuff?

[maggiethebestdog]

You haven't did any open hearted research d. You haven't asked Him into your life. You obviously don't want Him there but like to voice that redundantly in this thread. Which is fine, whatever you can live with. I don't think you understand the Bible at all though. I think you try to build walls in your mind around what your mind can't grasp yet. It's like school man or being a baby. You start out on milk, later on in life you eat meat, and the older you get the more meaty the subject mater will be.

So, to me .. you haven't even started on a journey with God. You are just reading books and trying to scientifically explain the unexplainable. We are but merely men, we won't hunt God down with our brain (does help and some get guided that way through numbers and such). You hunt Him down with your heart. Your loyalty, holiness, goodness, gratitude, worship, prayer, and Spirit.

As for " talking snakes " it is said lucifer " can mascarade " as a ball of light. he can do a lot of things you just don't understand yet. Please don't act as if you have some understanding ... cuz you don't.

You shouldn't tell people what to fear and what not to fear either because you've provided NO evidence otherwise.

It is you that does not know what is in the bible. Have you killed any of your neighbors for working on Sunday??? You are COMMANDED to do so in the bible. Plain as day. No parable meaning. Clear as day. You don't because you don't want to go to jail and you know its insane. God says do not kill in the commandments yet is the biggest murderer in history. Justified killing is ok with him and it is very clear that killing your neighbor for working on Sunday is one of those acceptable killings. So what is stopping you???

Also you do know that it clearly states women are property of men, right??? Do you treat your wife, daughter, sister, grandma, aunt like an equal??? If so you are directly contradicting how you are told to treat them in the bible. Also, they are not allowed to speak in church as well. That is the reason that they are not allowed to become priests. I actually don't think you are ignorant of these things, but you like to cherry pick what things to follow. It shows a lack of intelligence and character.

Now the spaghetti monster God treats all equally.
Everyone is encouraged to speak up and ask for more spaghetti. Sundays is the best day to enjoy spaghetti, but if someone wants to have a burger that day, the spaghetti monster God understands. No need to command his followers to kill the Sunday burger eaters. Now he might give them explosive diarrhea after eating the burger, but that is just him being passive aggressive instead of being a homicidal maniac.

[BigDofBA]

Maggie gets it. I’m pretty sure I pointed out much of what he said in my previous posts in this thread....in reference to all the horrible scripture.

Nothing personal Brainfreeze but why is it on me to provide evidence that your God does not exist? It should be on you to prove it...not me to disprove it. How do you prove something doesn’t exist?

An atheist would believe in God if there was evidence but there isn’t. Therefore we do not believe in God.

Religious people are different in that they will never change their mind. Even if someone proved their religion was wrong, they would still have faith.

At least I try to educate myself, assimilate information, and evolve.

You tell me we can’t conprehend the Bible because we’re mere mortal men. Who do you think wrote the Bible, Quran, Torah, etc?

So I’m crazy because I don’t believe in talking snakes, people living in whales, people walking in water, or 900 year old people?

And no, I don’t copy and paste. That’s what Christians do when they google some bible verse and post it like it’s their evidence. I use common sense, my experiences, and my knowledge about the world...not what some man at Church tells me to believe.

It would be very said to me if someone put off seeing their elder parents because they felt they would see them in Heaven. After I fully became atheist, I started appreciating every day on earth a lot more and made it a point to focus on the important things.

[BigDofBA]

We should do a test.....We all get the flu.

The Christians and everyone on this board that is religious pray for them to get better. Only Pray!

Me, the atheist, will simply goto the doctor.

Then let’s see who gets better first. Obviously if your faith is strong and God is real, you do not need a doctor. You simply need to pray.

I’ll rely on science since I’m a mere mortal and don’t understand the complexity of God. How about it?

[brainfreeze]

It is you that does not know what is in the bible. Have you killed any of your neighbors for working on Sunday??? You are COMMANDED to do so in the bible. Plain as day. No parable meaning. Clear as day. You don't because you don't want to go to jail and you know its insane. God says do not kill in the commandments yet is the biggest murderer in history. Justified killing is ok with him and it is very clear that killing your neighbor for working on Sunday is one of those acceptable killings. So what is stopping you???

Also you do know that it clearly states women are property of men, right??? Do you treat your wife, daughter, sister, grandma, aunt like an equal??? If so you are directly contradicting how you are told to treat them in the bible. Also, they are not allowed to speak in church as well. That is the reason that they are not allowed to become priests. I actually don't think you are ignorant of these things, but you like to cherry pick what things to follow. It shows a lack of intelligence and character.

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You are another one, troubled spirit and mind. If you don't believe that's fine... why have you guys spent your entire day posting on something that doesn't exist to you guys... that would mean you two have wasted another whole day on something (God) that you say doesn't exist... makes tons of sense. Why bother?

and I'm a gentile ... I am applicable to these laws as long as they line up with His divine laws. Here, now, in America women aren't possessions. We apply to our American Christian customs not Hebrew/Israelite or Jewish ones. Btw Sunday is the first day, Saturday is the 7th day

It seems you can't separate Old Testament from the New ... or have read Songs of Solomon and how man treats and desires for women. So I'm not cherry picking anything, just able to rightly divide the Word of God and you guys obviously can't and don't care to want to learn... just joke and troll,

[BigDofBA]

You are another one, troubled spirit and mind. If you don't believe that's fine... why have you guys spent your entire day posting on something that doesn't exist to you guys... that would mean you two have wasted another whole day on something (God) that you say doesn't exist... makes tons of sense. Why bother?

and I'm a gentile ... I am applicable to these laws as long as they line up with His divine laws. Here, now, in America women aren't possessions. We apply to our American Christian customs not Hebrew/Israelite or Jewish ones. Btw Sunday is the first day, Saturday is the 7th day

It seems you can't separate Old Testament from the New ... or have read Songs of Solomon and how man treats and desires for women. So I'm not cherry picking anything, just able to rightly divide the Word of God.

So the Old Testament isn’t the word of God? I’m pretty sure Jesus says in the book of Mathew that he doesn’t want to abolish the laws of the prophets, he wants to enforce them.

My theory is that “man” realized they needed to soften the tone a little to maintain control over the masses so they made amendments to the “word of God”.

[maggiethebestdog]

You are another one, troubled spirit and mind. If you don't believe that's fine... why have you guys spent your entire day posting on something that doesn't exist to you guys... that would mean you two have wasted another whole day on something (God) that you say doesn't exist... makes tons of sense. Why bother?

and I'm a gentile ... I am applicable to these laws as long as they line up with His divine laws. Here, now, in America women aren't possessions. We apply to our American Christian customs not Hebrew/Israelite or Jewish ones. Btw Sunday is the first day, Saturday is the 7th day

It seems you can't separate Old Testament from the New ... or have read Songs of Solomon and how man treats and desires for women. So I'm not cherry picking anything, just able to rightly divide the Word of God.

So the Old Testament isn't part of the bible??? So the Old Testament isn't the word of God??? Really???

Now in America is now the standard instead of written scripture and the Bible. So homosexuality is fine with you??? That is the standard. Wow. You are one slippery con artist. I will give you that. Even though you accused someone of not knowing what the Bible says and everything I said is in the Bible, you somehow twist it into Old vs New, modern day America standards, the Songs of Solomon., blah, blah, blah.

It would be impossible for someone to contradict themselves as much as you do.

[brainfreeze]

We should do a test.....We all get the flu.

The Christians and everyone on this board that is religious pray for them to get better. Only Pray!

Me, the atheist, will simply goto the doctor.

Then let’s see who gets better first. Obviously if your faith is strong and God is real, you do not need a doctor. You simply need to pray.

I’ll rely on science since I’m a mere mortal and don’t understand the complexity of God. How about it?

" mere man " has only made antibiotics (some of which aren't even going to help anymore because of resistant viruses) and all this disease and sickness is only a reflection of mans sin and dysfunction. A Christian made the MRI machine btw... so why do you think I would do anything different then go to a well educated Christian doctor?

you keep trying to take science as if it's yours ... it ain't. We went through this go visit Kent hovind or Mr. Hams site. https://answersingenesis.org/
You can have the lie of macro evolution ... we keep what's proven and true, it only has glorified Him more.

[brainfreeze]

So the Old Testament isn't part of the bible??? So the Old Testament isn't the word of God??? Really???

Now in America is now the standard instead of written scripture and the Bible. So homosexuality is fine with you??? That is the standard. Wow. You are one slippery con artist. I will give you that. Even though you accused someone of not knowing what the Bible says and everything I said is in the Bible, you somehow twist it into Old vs New, modern day America standards, the Songs of Solomon., blah, blah, blah.

It would be impossible for someone to contradict themselves as much as you do.

Did I say the OT isn't part of the Bible ?


Don't put words in my mouth...

Not going to continue ... you guys enjoy the spaghetti talk

[BigDofBA]

all this disease and sickness is only a reflection of mans sin and dysfunction.

Yeah but according to Christians, man is God's invention. So therefore, God created disease and sickness. Brainfreeze, you're a smart guy because you do a great job at not answering these questions. You do know that things like MRI machines haven't always been around. Back in ancient times people died from common infections that are very treatable now. Prayer did not save them.


It really is a cop out to say that you believe in God and the power of prayer, yet when shit hits the fan you run to the doctor, call the police, etc. You essentially said that you would definitely goto a mere mortal man for medical help than rely on praying to God. That's my entire point.


God can not be omnipotent like the Bible claims because he has had to redo things so many times. Adam and Eve screwed up, then man screwed up again so he had to kill the entire planet in a flood, and finally he just sent his son (Jesus) down and murdered him to fix things.

Then God had to revise his word (the bible) by adding the next testament.

How could a perfect all-knowing God not see all these things coming? This God obviously made mistakes and had to revise things.

It's my theory that man made up the story and had to keep revising it....

[maggiethebestdog]

Did I say the OT isn't part of the Bible ?


Don't put words in my mouth...

Not going to continue ...
done,

Your words were that I didn't know what was in the Bible. Then when I list things that are in the Bible you started slipping and sliding around about why you don't believe those things because they were in the Old Testament. That's what YOU said, not me. Then when I hold you accountable for your own words, you accuse me of putting words in your mouth. Now you are taking your toys and going home. The slightest bit of logic and accountability sends you into a tailspin. Pathetic.

[brainfreeze]

Ephesians 5:25

25Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;
26That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word, 27That he might present it to himself a glorious church, not having spot, or wrinkle, or any such thing; but that it should be holy and without blemish. 28So ought men to love their wives as their own bodies. He that loveth his wife loveth himself. 29For no man ever yet hated his own flesh; but nourisheth and cherisheth it, even as the Lord the church: 30For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones. 31For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh. 32This is a great mystery: but I speak concerning Christ and the church. 33Nevertheless let every one of you in particular so love his wife even as himself; and the wife see that she reverence her husband.

[BigDofBA]

Did I say the OT isn't part of the Bible ?


Don't put words in my mouth...

We didn't, you did. So now you're agreeing that Gods will is to treat women like property and kill people on Sundays?

When you were asked, you deflected by saying it was the Old Testament. Now you're trying to say that's not what you were implying? I'm confused.

So how can someone explain some things and copy and past scripture from the Old Testament, yet when someone points a horrible scripture like owning slaves, that same person dismisses it because it's from the Old Testament?

You can't cherry pick and have everything both ways. The Old Testament can't be the gospel when it's warm and rosy and be ignore when it talks about women as property. God can't be praised for all good things and not be blamed for bad things. These contradictions in logic are why atheists struggle with it.

PS. The scripture you just copied in pasted is contradicted in other parts of the Bible. It doesn't prove anything.

[brainfreeze]

Your words were that I didn't know what was in the Bible. Then when I list things that are in the Bible you started slipping and sliding around about why you don't believe those things because they were in the Old Testament. That's what YOU said, not me. Then when I hold you accountable for your own words, you accuse me of putting words in your mouth. Now you are taking your toys and going home. The slightest bit of logic and accountability sends you into a tailspin. Pathetic.

I do believe all of It. You don't understand it is the point, never will, unless you seek Him.

[BigDofBA]

Below are two direct quotes from two religious books, the Quran and Bible.

This is what pisses me off as an atheist. You can't cherry pick what you want and ignore the other ridiculous stuff in the Bible. So Christianity is the great religion and Islam is evil. You would never know it reading these two pieces of scripture. It's really quite simple. All religious texts have far fetched stories of talking snakes and magic and they also have horrible verses about killing, sexism, and inequality. The main difference is that in America, at least we have evolved enough to ignore the stoning and burning verses and we just block those out like they don't exist.


Quran
"And for women are rights over men similar to those of men over women." Qur’an, 2: 228

Bible
"And the daughter of any priest, if she profane hereself by playing the whore, she profaneth her father: she shall be burnt with fire." Leviticus 21:9

[brainfreeze]

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It would be very said to me if someone put off seeing their elder parents because they felt they would see them in Heaven. After I fully became atheist, I started appreciating every day on earth a lot more and made it a point to focus on the important things.

If God does a good thing in you, you will probably spend twice as much time around your family and loved ones.

[maggiethebestdog]

I do believe all of It. You don't understand it is the point, never will, unless you seek Him.

So are you denying that the things I listed are in the Bible??? I certainly hope not. But you believe it all??? So the Bible says to kill your neighbor for working on the Sabbath and you don't actually do it. But you believe it because you believe it all??? So you believe everything in the Bible but you don't believe women are inferior men??? Huh?????

So what don't I understand??? Are you saying that the things I listed in the Bible are not to be taken literally??? I sure hope not. They are clearly not parables that have multiple meanings. So because later someone writes about loving women, somehow that trumps what is in the Bible, the word of God?? I have great love for my dog but I make the decisions in the house and drive the car.

I understand perfectly. You are insane.

[brainfreeze]

Below are two direct quotes from two religious books, the Quran and Bible.

This is what pisses me off as an atheist. You can't cherry pick what you want and ignore the other ridiculous stuff in the Bible. So Christianity is the great religion and Islam is evil. You would never know it reading these two pieces of scripture. It's really quite simple. All religious texts have far fetched stories of talking snakes and magic and they also have horrible verses about killing, sexism, and inequality. The main difference is that in America, at least we have evolved enough to ignore the stoning and burning verses and we just block out those verses.Bible
"And the daughter of any priest, if she profane hereself by playing the whore, she profaneth her father: she shall be burnt with fire." Leviticus 21:9

We don't block them. We understand them. ( speaking for the Bible of course, not going to study anything else )

This was old law. Being a whore back then was a pretty serious offense. (Still should be but i digress) so yes, these kind of offenses were punishable by death. Now getting married is just a game in the USA (has been) people getting married 4x, gay marriage, marriage for money, marriage for citizenship, marriage for cows, who knows.. we have gotten further and further away from Gods law.

(These were Israelite laws 1000s of years ago btw)
So this was law back then (more Old Testament) ... and we understand it. Then we understand why Jesus died for us and the rest of His law.

[BigDofBA]

So are you denying that the things I listed are in the Bible??? I certainly hope not. But you believe it all??? So the Bible says to kill your neighbor for working on the Sabbath and you don't actually do it. But you believe it because you believe it all??? So you believe everything in the Bible but you don't believe women are inferior men??? Huh?????

So what don't I understand??? Are you saying that the things I listed in the Bible are not to be taken literally??? I sure hope not. They are clearly not parables that have multiple meanings. So because later someone writes about loving women, somehow that trumps what is in the Bible, the word of God?? I have great love for my dog but I make the decisions in the house and drive the car.

It's really freaking me out how much you sound like me. I'm pretty sure I said these exact things like 80 pages ago.

Anyway, it really is a great feeling when you come to grips with reality. When you understand this is all you have. You cherish each day more and spend more time with family. You don't put off the important things in life because you have this illusion of some afterlife where you can make up for things.

The bottom line is that even if you're religious, you can't be 100% certain of an after life. As an atheist, I am 100% of the life I have and I make the most of it. Christians will tell me that if they're wrong it's not a big deal but if I'm wrong I goto Hell. That's horrible logic. If Christians are wrong, they've wasted their entire existence. They're essentially going all in on uncertainty. With me, I'm going all in on what I not for certain....that' this life is all I have.

[BigDofBA]

We don't block them. We understand them. ( speaking for the Bible of course, not going to study Koran )

If you're not going to study or understand other religions, how can you be so sure yours is correct? Maybe if you studied and understood all religions you would become an atheist like me.

This was old law.

Why did God have to change his laws? If he was perfect, don't you think he would have just did shit once? Is God the type of guy to build a house, realize he screwed up, and redo it? Seriously though, I don't understand the logic?

So do you agree that women should be stoned if they aren't virgins before marriage? Do you agree that if a daughter is a whore she should be burned?

[brainfreeze]

If you're not going to study or understand other religions, how can you be so sure yours is correct? Maybe if you studied and understood all religions you would become an atheist like me.


Why did God have to change his laws? If he was perfect, don't you think he would have just did shit once? Is God the type of guy to build a house, realize he screwed up, and redo it? Seriously though, I don't understand the logic?

So do you agree that women should be stoned if they aren't virgins before marriage? Do you agree that if a daughter is a whore she should be burned?

I know what koran is, i don't want to study it.

God is perfect. Men are flawed and need rules and laws. The law stands. The law is a teacher. In this case yes, I think being a whore is a punishable offense, do I think they should be stoned, no. I think they are broken to degrade themselves as such or have been fooled. They need Jesus. They need to understand the law to know what's bad.

[brainfreeze]

I said these exact things like 80 pages ago.


The bottom line is that even if you're religious, you can't be 100% certain of an after life. As an atheist, I am 100% of the life I have and I make the most of it. Christians will tell me that if they're wrong it's not a big deal but if I'm wrong I goto Hell. That's horrible logic. If Christians are wrong, they've wasted their entire existence. They're essentially going all in on uncertainty. With me, I'm going all in on what I not for certain....that' this life is all I have.

You remember what you said 80 pages ago... no way. I can't tell you remember anything at all in this thread.

as for wasting my existence ... why would you think so? I enjoy my life now more than I EVER have. So even if... He wasn't real, I'm complete (though that couldn't be without Him so this statement is obsolete) ... my life's whole and I treat it so.. it would be a happy end.

[rkelly110]

Here's a link with stories of regular people who lost loved ones and were visited by them and stories of coming back.
For those who did their "homework". http://www.experienceproject.com/gro...er-Death/64298

Here's one who was just as skeptical as most in here.

Experience Project: Stories about every Life Experiences Home

I Know There Is Life After Death

A Few True Experience For Everyone... First off, I'm an engineer and a scientist. Everything I do needs data, rationale, and proof for it to be accepted in my job and my life. It's just who I am. I did not believe in the formal religions growing up; they seemed fabricated by government. And with that, I can absolutely, without a doubt, say that I am fortunate enough to have had the experiences that there is unequivicol proof of life after death. I don't claim to know exactly what it is, but there is zero doubt that it exists. The most recent story (today), which is one of about 20 stories I could share. One of my best friends from work passed away of a massive heart attack absolutely suddenly. He was amazing and I was devasted. So today, I decided to go to a spiritualist church (of which I've had most of my experiences but haven't attended in 10 years). For those of you who aren't familiar with this religion, part of the church service is a message circle, where mediums give messages to the audience. Before the service even started, a woman approached me and said I am so sorry about your friend that just passed of a massive heath attack. She descirbed him to the "T". During the message circle, the pastor (a completely separate person) calls on me and says "your friend from work is next to you. Oh, he's had a major heart problem. He was buried with a Navy burial. Don't worry, he'll stand by your side at work whenever you need him. Just ask him. He loves you very much". My friend was buried with a Navy burial. He was always by my side at work. I never met these people in my life, they had no idea who I was. They asked me no questions and were dead accurate. This is one story (and not even the most amazing of them) of about 20 I have. For those who haven't been blessed to experience it, I get the skepticism. But know that despite your lack of experience, it absolutely exists.

On a related but different cool story, I had met an indian shamen through a different (but related/spiritualism) church about 18 years ago. He is where the other 19 stories come from. In any event, I was ~17 when we met. He moved to California and I had not spoken to him in 3 years (i had only met him a few times anyway). The summer before my senior year in college I had won an internship but I was terrified to do it because the lady in charge scared me. I had a deadline to decide if I was taking it. I was sitting at home an hour before the deadline in a total panic/anxiety mess, all alone. What should I do? The phone rings. It's the indian shamen I hadn't spoken to in 3 years. What the heck is wrong with you? You're anxiety is driving me crazy all the way out here in California! His exact words. I went on to explain the situation. He explains I have to do it and that this "evil" lady will become one of my best friends and will carve my career path for me. Guess what? She became one of my best friends. She wrote me a three page recommendation letter that started my career and made me who I am today.

[brainfreeze]

Here's a link with stories of regular people who lost loved ones and were visited by them and stories of coming back.
For those who did their "homework". http://www.experienceproject.com/gro...er-Death/64298

Here's one who was just as skeptical as most in here.

Experience Project: Stories about every Life Experiences Home

I Know There Is Life After Death

A Few True Experience For Everyone... First off, I'm an engineer and a scientist. Everything I do needs data, rationale, and proof for it to be accepted in my job and my life. It's just who I am. I did not believe in the formal religions growing up; they seemed fabricated by government. And with that, I can absolutely, without a doubt, say that I am fortunate enough to have had the experiences that there is unequivicol proof of life after death. I don't claim to know exactly what it is, but there is zero doubt that it exists. The most recent story (today), which is one of about 20 stories I could share. One of my best friends from work passed away of a massive heart attack absolutely suddenly. He was amazing and I was devasted. So today, I decided to go to a spiritualist church (of which I've had most of my experiences but haven't attended in 10 years). For those of you who aren't familiar with this religion, part of the church service is a message circle, where mediums give messages to the audience. Before the service even started, a woman approached me and said I am so sorry about your friend that just passed of a massive heath attack. She descirbed him to the "T". During the message circle, the pastor (a completely separate person) calls on me and says "your friend from work is next to you. Oh, he's had a major heart problem. He was buried with a Navy burial. Don't worry, he'll stand by your side at work whenever you need him. Just ask him. He loves you very much". My friend was buried with a Navy burial. He was always by my side at work. I never met these people in my life, they had no idea who I was. They asked me no questions and were dead accurate. This is one story (and not even the most amazing of them) of about 20 I have. For those who haven't been blessed to experience it, I get the skepticism. But know that despite your lack of experience, it absolutely exists.

On a related but different cool story, I had met an indian shamen through a different (but related/spiritualism) church about 18 years ago. He is where the other 19 stories come from. In any event, I was ~17 when we met. He moved to California and I had not spoken to him in 3 years (i had only met him a few times anyway). The summer before my senior year in college I had won an internship but I was terrified to do it because the lady in charge scared me. I had a deadline to decide if I was taking it. I was sitting at home an hour before the deadline in a total panic/anxiety mess, all alone. What should I do? The phone rings. It's the indian shamen I hadn't spoken to in 3 years. What the heck is wrong with you? You're anxiety is driving me crazy all the way out here in California! His exact words. I went on to explain the situation. He explains I have to do it and that this "evil" lady will become one of my best friends and will carve my career path for me. Guess what? She became one of my best friends. She wrote me a three page recommendation letter that started my career and made me who I am today.

I don't need shamen or mediums to tell me about an afterlife that they aren't included in. Why would I believe them? Because of power? My Gods all powerful...

and I believe Jesus, if He says " there are many mansions in His Fathers house, He goes to prepare a place " then I believe that. He also says to rebuke and not entertain mediums, sorcery, and such. I have also personally spoke with someone that has died and went to a heavenly realm to come back to earth and tell. It's real, just like Him...


thought you were christian now kelly, what's with reading afterlife thoughts of mediums?

2 Kings 21

6And he made his son pass through the fire, and observed times, and used enchantments, and dealt with familiar spirits and wizards: he wrought much wickedness in the sight of the LORD, to provoke him to anger.

[bigtymer56]

Here's a link with stories of regular people who lost loved ones and were visited by them and stories of coming back.
For those who did their "homework". http://www.experienceproject.com/gro...er-Death/64298

Here's one who was just as skeptical as most in here.

Experience Project: Stories about every Life Experiences Home

I Know There Is Life After Death

A Few True Experience For Everyone... First off, I'm an engineer and a scientist. Everything I do needs data, rationale, and proof for it to be accepted in my job and my life. It's just who I am. I did not believe in the formal religions growing up; they seemed fabricated by government. And with that, I can absolutely, without a doubt, say that I am fortunate enough to have had the experiences that there is unequivicol proof of life after death. I don't claim to know exactly what it is, but there is zero doubt that it exists. The most recent story (today), which is one of about 20 stories I could share. One of my best friends from work passed away of a massive heart attack absolutely suddenly. He was amazing and I was devasted. So today, I decided to go to a spiritualist church (of which I've had most of my experiences but haven't attended in 10 years). For those of you who aren't familiar with this religion, part of the church service is a message circle, where mediums give messages to the audience. Before the service even started, a woman approached me and said I am so sorry about your friend that just passed of a massive heath attack. She descirbed him to the "T". During the message circle, the pastor (a completely separate person) calls on me and says "your friend from work is next to you. Oh, he's had a major heart problem. He was buried with a Navy burial. Don't worry, he'll stand by your side at work whenever you need him. Just ask him. He loves you very much". My friend was buried with a Navy burial. He was always by my side at work. I never met these people in my life, they had no idea who I was. They asked me no questions and were dead accurate. This is one story (and not even the most amazing of them) of about 20 I have. For those who haven't been blessed to experience it, I get the skepticism. But know that despite your lack of experience, it absolutely exists.

On a related but different cool story, I had met an indian shamen through a different (but related/spiritualism) church about 18 years ago. He is where the other 19 stories come from. In any event, I was ~17 when we met. He moved to California and I had not spoken to him in 3 years (i had only met him a few times anyway). The summer before my senior year in college I had won an internship but I was terrified to do it because the lady in charge scared me. I had a deadline to decide if I was taking it. I was sitting at home an hour before the deadline in a total panic/anxiety mess, all alone. What should I do? The phone rings. It's the indian shamen I hadn't spoken to in 3 years. What the heck is wrong with you? You're anxiety is driving me crazy all the way out here in California! His exact words. I went on to explain the situation. He explains I have to do it and that this "evil" lady will become one of my best friends and will carve my career path for me. Guess what? She became one of my best friends. She wrote me a three page recommendation letter that started my career and made me who I am today.

Why is it that these ghosts and spirits never seem to give out useful info?

Bro, you just died and you're message to me is to let me know you have my back at work !?! When I die I'm finding you and punching you in your ghost face for not telling me anything important.

[BigDofBA]

Why is it that these ghosts and spirits never seem to give out useful info?

Bro, you just died and you're message to me is to let me know you have my back at work !?! When I die I'm finding you and punching you in your ghost face for not telling me anything important.

Lmao. No kidding.

[rkelly110]

I don't need shamen or mediums to tell me about an afterlife that they aren't included in. Why would I believe them? Because of power? My Gods all powerful...

and I believe Jesus, if He says " there are many mansions in His Fathers house, He goes to prepare a place " then I believe that. He also says to rebuke and not entertain mediums, sorcery, and such. I have also personally spoke with someone that has died and went to a heavenly realm to come back to earth and tell. It's real, just like Him...


thought you were christian now kelly, what's with reading afterlife thoughts of mediums?

2 Kings 21

6And he made his son pass through the fire, and observed times, and used enchantments, and dealt with familiar spirits and wizards: he wrought much wickedness in the sight of the LORD, to provoke him to anger.

That's what I've been telling you guys since I started posting in here.

After watching psychics Sylvia Browne, John Edwards, and James Van Praagh on TV opened up a whole new realm for me. Maybe I'm gullible, but bought all their books and have been more enlightened than years of church going has ever done for me. Am I anymore gullible than the church goers?

Those people above and those like them have a direct link to people who passed. Yes, some are scam artists.
That is close to physical proof of an afterlife as you are gonna get for the non believers and a rejoicement
for believers.

That's the trouble with people nowadays. Too rigid in their thinking. You are here to learn. It's time to start.
God isn't just in the bible, he's all around you. You just have to be open to him to see.

[brainfreeze]

That's what I've been telling you guys since I started posting in here.

After watching psychics Sylvia Browne, John Edwards, and James Van Praagh on TV opened up a whole new realm for me. Maybe I'm gullible, but bought all their books and have been more enlightened than years of church going has ever done for me. Am I anymore gullible than the church goers?

Those people above and those like them have a direct link to people who passed.That is close to physical proof of an afterlife as you are gonna get for the non believers and a rejoicement
for believers.

God isn't just in the bible, he's all around you. You just have to be open to him to see.

Well this is confusion kelly. We don't get to Jesus through psychic books. We go through His Word that's preached sometimes well in a gathering (church).

And the only thing they have a direct link to is spirits ... and it ain't dead relatives. Gods Word is highly against it, so I don't understand why you would think it's ok to involve yourself in something Gods Word says not to?

Then to say that's how you got to Jesus... you get stranger and stranger kelly, from a priest that said no afterlife to now psychic that says there is and that's what you believe ... why not just believe Him?

[maggiethebestdog]

That's what I've been telling you guys since I started posting in here.

After watching psychics Sylvia Browne, John Edwards, and James Van Praagh on TV opened up a whole new realm for me. Maybe I'm gullible, but bought all their books and have been more enlightened than years of church going has ever done for me. Am I anymore gullible than the church goers?

Those people above and those like them have a direct link to people who passed. Yes, some are scam artists.
That is close to physical proof of an afterlife as you are gonna get for the non believers and a rejoicement
for believers.

That's the trouble with people nowadays. Too rigid in their thinking. You are here to learn. It's time to start.
God isn't just in the bible, he's all around you. You just have to be open to him to see.

This is fuucckkin awesome. Crazy ass religious people fighting about which one of their delusions is true. So how do we sort out fact from fiction about the afterlife??? By reading books from 3 proven con artists who claim to have special powers!!! I love it. There couldn't be bigger scams in the world than religion or psychic/talk to the dead con artists. I love how one tries to prove scripture is true by quoting scripture and the other references 3 hack job cold readers who take advantage of people for money. This is fuucckin hilarious. By all means continue.

[Snowball]

drparisetti.com

[maggiethebestdog]

drparisetti.com

Awesome. Con artist #4. But he is a "Dr" so he must be legit. Although his professional training has nothing to do with this mumbo jumbo.
Don't get me wrong, I certainly believe it is possible that there is some sort of afterlife, but these people are frauds of the highest level. Read this guys website. Read the fake hand picked testimonials for his books. Look familiar??? It should. It is like every other con website you come across.

[brainfreeze]

Awesome. Con artist #4. But he is a "Dr" so he must be legit. Although his professional training has nothing to do with this mumbo jumbo.
Don't get me wrong, I certainly believe it is possible that there is some sort of afterlife, but these people are frauds of the highest level. Read this guys website. Read the fake hand picked testimonials for his books. Look familiar??? It should. It is like every other con website you come across.

You do? ...

[maggiethebestdog]

You do? ...

Yes, my post history is very clear about my beliefs which have never been proven. Unlike you I don't backtrack on my views and I can clearly explain them without contradicting myself every other word. Nobody told me to believe them and I don't pass them off as fact or tell people they are lost if they don't believe them. I am nothing like you, thank God.

[brainfreeze]

Yes, my post history is very clear about my beliefs which have never been proven. Unlike you I don't backtrack on my views and I can clearly explain them without contradicting myself every other word. Nobody told me to believe them and I don't pass them off as fact or tell people they are lost if they don't believe them. I am nothing like you, thank God.

I'm sorry, I'm just not interested. If you would like to explain briefly I will listen ... but if you can show my contradicting post I'd be glad to clarify, thanks.

[maggiethebestdog]

I'm sorry, I'm just not interested. If you would like to explain briefly I will listen ... but if you can show my contradicting post I'd be glad to clarify, thanks.

Already done that. Typical religious fuuckk. "Sorry, even though I condemn your views, I have never actually read them. I just don't care enough to do so because I am a brainwashed retard. If I actually read them I would know that you caught me in several contradictions that I couldn't even remotley explain".

That's the smartest thing you have ever said!!!