If Jesus were around today, I believe he would have issues with all organized christian sects. That being said, which category do you fall under: good people- always happy, have no problems, would never intentionally harm you. Bad people-good people who have problems or are unhappy and will do whatever they can to solve problems to be happy, but would never intentionally harm you or Evil people-their intention is to create victims and control you for their own good with some unfair advantage by causing problems and destroying happiness. The only people who need to fear God are the evil.
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Who ever eats of His flesh (The Word) and accepts His blood that brings justification (source of salvation) ... seaweed
John 1:1-5
1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.2The same was in the beginning with God.3All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
4In him was life; and the life was the light of men. 5And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.
His Words are of Him, ... His miracles were symbolic of His representation. This is why it's the " living Word " of God. This is why He said those who eat of Him will not go hungry... His Words are life..
and drinking His blood is acceptance of the purge of all unrighteousness, which cleans the inside of man, out..
Hebrews 9:22 - And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission.
Romans 5:9 - Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.
Revelation 12:11 - And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.
Acts 20:28 - Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.
Hebrews 10:19 - Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus,
Revelation 1:5 - And from Jesus Christ, [who is] the faithful witness, [and] the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,Comment -
Why did god even feel the need to tempt them in the first place? You dont want them to eat it, dont put it where they can get to it.Originally posted by zert
I dont leave meat unattended out in the open, then yell at my pets when they eat it...
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Jesus is around today (Through Holy Spirit, & The Living Word) ...and will come again (in Person), also (why Jesus never called for a " vicor of Christ/pope " )Originally posted by BOA12
and fearing God is the seed of wisdom...Comment -
If you are evilOriginally posted by brainfreezeComment -
Funny dog gif but God didn't tempt anyone...satan did that or you only read half the story. idk why the tree was made, or how long the tree was there before man... but God gave man everything essential for happiness. We messed that up, giving into temptation introducing sin and death into the equation..Originally posted by bigtymer56Why did god even feel the need to tempt them in the first place? You dont want them to eat it, dont put it where they can get to it.
I dont leave meat unattended out in the open, then yell at my pets when they eat it...
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not true at all... believe the Holy ScripturesOriginally posted by BOA12
Proverbs 9:10
10The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom: and the knowledge of the holy is understanding.Comment -
Fear words created by man? I think not. I only fear people of power with evil intentions and will let God judge them on their actions. I think you are a good person and really want to help others but sometimes your methods can be disturbing by jamming your beliefs down someones throat about something that may or may not be true. I will pray for you.Originally posted by brainfreezeComment -
God wanted to test them. To see if they could follow simple instruction, or be tempted by the devil. Unfortunately, they failed the test.Originally posted by bigtymer56
Looks like cupcakes, not meat. And dog isn't eating it.I dont leave meat unattended out in the open, then yell at my pets when they eat it...
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Scripture?... i don't see us dying as a test. It was a order not to eat there of, or they would die.Originally posted by bobbywaves
We are tested now that we know and the flesh dies.Comment -
So babies born thousands of years later have to pay for what Adam and Eve did?Originally posted by zert
That's not free will.
That's like saying that you have to goto jail because your neighbor robbed someone so you have to pay for it too.
The story is such bs imo and people still believe it. Craziness.
Mormons tell me there are different levels of heaven and you can populate your own planet after you die.
Muslims tell me Muhammad flew to heaven on a winged horse and it's possible to have 72 virgins waiting on you in heaven.
Christians tell me that there were talking snakes and people that walked on water....
Meanwhile all three groups disagree about God....AND I'M THE CRAZY ONE.Comment -
I am not trying to make a joke
"the apple" is her gash and Adam is not supposed to eat it...
pretty sure "apple" is metaphor, right?
be there naked, don`t eat or fukk each other
`cause he wanted to be her first lay
prob was going to blow the young lad as well
creepy old fukk
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Whatever rock you just crawled out of, please reinsert yourself ... thanksOriginally posted by PittsburghPlayerComment -
There's no question God tested Adam & Eve:Originally posted by brainfreeze
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Terrible philosophy ..and i asked for scripture.Originally posted by bobbywavesComment -
You busted me. I believe MORE in Planet X and it`s 36-000 year orbitOriginally posted by brainfreeze
of the sun
and it is currently "inbound"
so, "rock", yes
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You should listen to this 3:15 audio, but the 1:40 mark will address the "free will" you're having a hard time comprehending:Originally posted by BigDofBA
AND I'M THE CRAZY ONE.
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How so? If you disagree with anything said in the linked audio, you're simply ignorant.Originally posted by brainfreezeComment -
i agree love takes risk but the under lying theme of the fruit being a test isn't scriptural ... it's speculation. The power of Gods love conquers death. Why one needs to be reborn and renewed by the Holy Spirit conquering death by crucifying the flesh and living in the Spirit.Originally posted by bobbywavesComment -
brainfreeze, seaweed is right.
When Jesus instituted the Last Supper, he meant His Body and His Blood.
That's why the Apostles said, "this is a hard saying, who can accept it" ?
they would not have resisted if it was just a symbolic meal. They all
already knew He was going to sacrifice himself.
In the next generation the pagans are on record accusing Christians of
cannibalism - and of atheism because they ate a man and believed in a
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I don't constantly quote scripture ad nauseam as you. But since you're requesting it, here you go:Originally posted by brainfreeze
The Testing & Trials that God allows in all of our lives started in the Garden of Eden, when God Tested Adam & Eve, the first two people, by offering them a Choice(Gen 3:1-24). The Test was actually a Love Test of whether they would lovingly Obey God’s Voice (John 10:27-28) to NOT eat the Fruit off the Forbidden Tree (Gen 2:16-17)— OR would they listen to the Voice of a Stranger (John 10:4-5)— Satan, the Evil fallen Angel (Gen 3:1, Isa 14:12-16, Ezek 28:12-19).
God had given them One Commandment to NOT eat off this Tree— He later gave us in the Old Testament the Ten Commandments (Ex 20:3-17), and in the New Testament Jesus summed up ALL the Commandments by giving us the TWO Greatest Commandments in Mark 12:30-31.
Adam & Eve failed the First Love Test (so to speak), and the result was: Sin & Death. They were then ushered out of God's Presence, and kicked out of the Garden of Eden (Paradise) never to return again (Gen 3:23-24).
Ever since this First Test, the Whole World as I mentioned, has been under a Great Time of Testing (Rev 3:10-11), and we too have failed our Tests miserably (Rom 3:23). Once again the Result is Eternal Death (Rom 6:23, Ezek 18:20). We're ALL in trouble, and we need a Savior. That Savior is Jesus, who was God, and who came to Earth to endure many Trials & Testings (a torturous death). He did this to Demonstrate & Display to all His Infinite Love & Mercy (Rom 5:8) against the backdrop of Evil, so that He can point to Us, in Future Ages to come, as His Examples of His Incredible Wealth of Grace & Kindness to us Sinners (See Eph 2:7). He now is asking us to Demonstrate & Display our Love too— for Him (John 14:15, 21), and for one another (John 15:13). We too, like Jesus, must Humble Ourselves (Phil 2:5-11).
We must Turn from our Sin, Pick up our Cross (Matt 10:37-39) and Follow Him (Luke 9:23-24).Comment -
lol .. you should've just gave a link to the Bible itself, you've explained NO WHERE, not one verse that says " God put the tree of knowledge of good and evil in the garden to test Adam and Eve...Originally posted by bobbywavesComment -
They did not understand the meaning behind it, the Holy Spirit was not among the apostles until the day of Pentecost. They didn't have New Testament scripture as a whole as we have it either, mapped out. i just explained the meaning ... if you think he's right, shrugs ok...i gave tons of scripture that verify my position.Originally posted by SnowballComment -
If you can't read what I posted & conclude God was testing Adam & Eve, then you're simply beyond help & have comprehension issues.Originally posted by brainfreezeComment -
you say it was a test, i ask for one verse to 'comprehend' and you have yet to give that. Just one clear scripture where it says God put that tree there to test them.Originally posted by bobbywaves
btw that's a shaddy copy and paste job. i asked for your response and scripture (with clear description of the tree being a test).Comment -
Originally posted by brainfreeze
To say that some or any of the books were spiritually or divinely inspired is just an opinion not fact with irrefutable proof...and "because he said so," isn't proof. Did the majority of people believe Andrea Yates when she claimed she received divine instructions? How about Jim Jones? David Koresh? Marshall Applewhite? The belief that a god actually spoke to people and instructed them is just that...a belief, not fact. Many of the actual authors are believed to be companions or acquaintances of the people (or unknowns) that many of the books were named after and were written years after the supposed events occurred. Many of these stories were passed on to said authors as second-hand information. Contrary to what many christians think is true, John didn't write the "gospel of John" and Mark didn't write the "gospel of Mark." Their names were attached to these gospels to garner full acceptance and belief. The fact that the new testament's creation was the idea of an emperor (recently converted to christianity from paganism) of a conquering, growing empire and that was concerned that his empire was comprised of people with many different beliefs and religions raises questions of his true motive. The Roman empire was only converted to christianity from paganism because their emperor did. The emperor that followed next declared christianity the religion of the entire empire and further controlled how the people acted, thought and what they believed.Comment -
If you can't comprehend what I posted above, that's your problem: to NOT eat the Fruit off the Forbidden Tree (Gen 2:16-17) The word test has to be written out for you, how dense can you be?Originally posted by brainfreeze
Which was clearly given to you. Why would I spend unnecessary time writing it out myself? Of course it was a copy & paste, nothing shady about it. I've already wasted enough of my time trying to educate you.btw that's a shaddy copy and paste job. i asked for your response and scripture (with clear description of the tree being a test).Comment -
If you are going to say it's a test, then you should be able to describe and verify with Scripture... it doesn't say that, and yes.. Words are important, so if the scriptures say they were told not to eat of the tree or the outcome is death... that's not a test, that's reality ...Originally posted by bobbywaves
and i said shaddy, not shady ... like shaddie (to say not much effort) to copy and paste that, without being able disect and describe it yourself... and that is someone's speculation, there is no verse to support the claim.Comment -
C'mon, bobby, there's no need to call freeze dense...he is far from that as are you. Did your mother ever tell you when you were a child not to play in the middle of a busy street of fast moving traffic or you would be injured or worse? If you play in the yard, on the porch or even on the sidewalk you'd remain safe, but avoid the busy street. Was she testing you or was she giving you an instruction to keep you from harm? They were told they could eat from any other tree they chose and all would be fine. It was an instruction of how to avoid the known given consequence, not a test. Just my take.Comment -
Exactly ... now you see how things can get confused and manipulated fairly easy when everyone's blind to what the scripture is actually saying and not their own speculation on what happened around what the scripture is saying...Originally posted by b1slickguyComment -
Can't wait to recieve my ashes and Body of Christ today at mass.
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Both, testing me to see if I would listen & trying to keep me safe.Originally posted by b1slickguy
Disagree...God wanted to find out would Adam & Eve listen to Him, which is clearly a test. Click on the 2:25 mark:They were told they could eat from any other tree they chose and all would be fine. It was an instruction of how to avoid the known given consequence, not a test. Just my take.
Not sure what you & Freeze didn't comprehend in post #3381, which sums it up.Comment -
Lol...I already backed up my statement in post #3381, which you're "blind" to. Where it clearly explains the test God gave Adam & Eve.Originally posted by brainfreeze
Do you realize you're trying to argue with a Roman Catholic, who already believes in God?
Some Protestant who bashes the Pope isn't going to change any of my beliefs obviously, so you're time would be much better served concentrating on educating the atheists in this thread.Comment -
Will your church offer glitter ash today?Originally posted by Seaweed
If so, will you request that or just the traditional palm branch ash?Comment -
Yea BigD, you're the crazy one.Originally posted by BigDofBA
Imagine you didn't grew up knowing nothing about christians and then one day just saw people walking around ash crosses on their heads. You would be weirded out and would want nothing to do with them.
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