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[BigDofBA]

Absolutely. Do you still receive presents from Santa Claus today? Did you actually see Santa eat the cookies, how do you know your parents didn't eat them? If there was a real Santa, certainly you would have received coal in your stocking instead of presents.

Can you prove God doesn't exist?

I quit receiving presents because I got older. Santa only delivers to kids. That doesn't prove he doesn't exist.

I didn't see Santa eat the cookies just like you didn't see God part the Red Sea. What's the difference?

I experienced Santa Claus and there are testimonies all over the world of other people experiencing Santa Claus too.

See how this works?

[bobbywaves]

I quit receiving presents because I got older. Santa only delivers to kids. That doesn't prove he doesn't exist.

I didn't see Santa eat the cookies just like you didn't see God part the Red Sea. What's the difference?

I experienced Santa Claus and there are testimonies all over the world of other people experiencing Santa Claus too.

See how this works?

Moral of your story, God doesn't discriminate against old people like Santa.

[brainfreeze]

That's what I wanted you to say. You read it in the Bible....how do you know the Bible is 100% accurate? You do realize the Bible has been revised, copied over, translated in different language, etc...

I've read stories about Santa Claus. Hell, I have more proof that could substantiate Santa Claus existence than God. I'v received presents as a kid and left cookies for him that were eaten when I woke up. I even met Santa Claus at the mall and gave him a list of toys I wanted when I was a kid. I ended up getting those toys on Christmas. I experienced it! Using your logic Santa Clause exists correct? Can you prove he doesn't exist?



Anyway Carrying on, here are more questions for religious folks
17. After several thousand years God impregnates a human so she gives birth to God in the physical form.

18. God allows this being who is God's son to grow up and make revisions to God's moral code and also allows other cognitive beings to murder God's son.

19. After God sacrifices his son, for himself, it allows all other beings the opportunity to be forgiven for sin, which God in himself helped to create in the first place.

20. God does not make the sacrifice free. No beings may benefit unless they actually agree it happened. Everyone else is banished to the endless suffering of hell.

21. God refrains from making it clear and obvious these events happened so no being after the first century can be certain or has the luxury of witnessing God's son say or do anything to indicate he was a living God. Again, MAKE SURE THIS ALL HAPPENS BEFORE THE AGE OF SCIENCE AND DISCOVERY so it can not be verified.

22. God makes sure all of these events are authored anonymously by people who were not present at the events, in a language different than what God's son preaches and makes sure these documents state that believing in something without evidence is morally superior to investigation and verification.

23. God makes sure that after a few decades the only verification of these documents are copies of copies of copies that have been revised over and over again and IS SURE NOT TO PRESERVE THE DOCUMENTS IN THEIR INITIAL STATE. Ensure they are interrupted many, many ways.

24. God ensures there is no way people can be sure which interpretation of religion is correct and punish the people that are wrong to hell regardless of their intentions.

25. God does not make it clear he exists. God makes sure it's easily debatable, easily questionable, and easily doubtful. God makes sure he allows for billions of souls to be damned to hell because they had not correctly assumed the correct religion.

.................When all is said and done, God demands he be praised for this plan.

here, I will address for you...

#17 God put Jesus here because He was the prophesied Messiah through the lineage of King David... He is here to show us the example of how to live and walk with God, and He is the sacrifice for our ugly sins.. Yes, through a virgin birth ( no intercorse ) of bless-ed Mary.. " There's another one hard to believe right " ?

#18 He fulfilled the law, and made it more holy then it was, He didn't revise, He defined, and magnified it.

#19God did not help create sin.. Where do you get this?

#20 by agreeing doesn't make it a free gift? Huh? ... By agreement doesn't solidify a " work ", we don't have to work to make conscience decision in life. Eternal life through Christ is a gift. Period..

#21 you don't know what's been covered up, and what some know... All you know is what's available to conceive your opinion. This info you know comes from what they want you to accept, and your biting, hook, line and sinker..

#22 what do you mean? Paul wasn't present at the crucifixion yet wrote 70% of the New Testament, and yes ALL apostles were in agreement with Paul ... And they walked with Jesus literally..

#23 there are people who's studied the translations for long periods of time, rather it be the Greek, and Aramaic, in the New Testament or the Hebrew and Paleo- Hebrew in the OT .. ALL of the meanings of the teachings in the Bible are 100% accurate .. Because words need to be changed to understand we must be careful to get the exact understanding .. ( here's where more confusion can come in ) they have the esv, NIV, etc.. And when we turn words to something other then attended the meaning of the scripture can be twisted, and meaning loss... The KJV is the closest things to the original language, and there is a few other version that can even be a bit closer... I will leave that to the researcher to find. ( this was probably your strongest argument here, so I expounded a bit )

#24. Seek and ye shall find, the Holy Spirit won't let you get confused, there is mysteries to God, and He doesn't just cast pearls before swine ( not to call you swine but you must seek what you want ), we should delligently seek, and if we show ourselves approved to move on He will show us knew things. He will show you why there is division even between denoms, it's there for a reason... It's because of misunderstanding, and these misunderstandings birth new denoms, Why do you think Jesus spoke in parables ?

Or you can go tempt God dancing around with poisonous snakes .. (Get the idea)
The ones with The Helper, The Holy Ghost... Will know to get out of there, and move on..

#25 There are a lot of Christians, all through time, but many are called but few are chosen. It's a narrow road one has to walk, most people settle for the world and flesh, they don't want the after and the spirit.. They all hear the name of Jesus at some point it's on the individual to seek out a matter, or they can just go with public opinion on what ( Christianity ) or ( science ) really is..

[reigle9]

Nice timing, just had on Carlin. Do people still think there's a god in 2016? That's so weird to me.

[brainfreeze]

I will respond in a bit bite, got a few errands

but that priest was an idiot ...

[Mr KLC]

[BigDofBA]

Moral of your story, God doesn't discriminate against old people like Santa.

Santa doesn't discriminate against women and gays like God does in the Bible.

Santa doesn't approve of having slaves or banishing the majority of the human race to hell like God does either.

Way to totally dodge my point. Lol.

Using the logic used by religious people, it makes it pretty easy for me to argue anything no matter how ridiculous it is.

Most religious people are good people but hopefully you get my points now.

Brainfreeze, you've done well trying to answer most of the questions I've rattled off. I appreciate your input. We're never going to agree because I think the bible is fiction. Just because the Bible says something, it doesn't mean it's true to me. There are stories and movies about Santa Claus. Does that prove anything?

If I witness God allow someone to walk on water or live to be 900 myself. I'll believe in him. It's not really that complicated.

It would be very easy for God to prove he existed today but he chooses not. If he parted the Red Sea or turned a river to blood, we would all know about it.

It's really not a coincidence these amazing stories don't happen anymore.

If God does exist and he allows for all of this confusion.... if God allows for all of these different religions and misinterpretations knowing it will mean eternal emanation for most of mankind....is God really a diety I want to worship?

[brainfreeze]

OK, I'm done wasting my time here but a few things in response before I go

your not wasting your time, if anything we learned a little more about each other, and showed each other a good amount of respect, so no matter, was a good convo..

Your reading comprehension is not the best, buddy. I was taught by, for all intents and purposes: religious professional experts. Taught and understood perfectly. Here's what you're having trouble grasping: IT'S BEEN REJECTED. Why? It's already been stated why, those that can read & comprehend understand: the beliefs taught didn't hold up under intellectual scrutiny. I want intellect/truth to dominate my belief system, not centuries old indoctrinated myths/superstitions.

lol, com'on bite, you know that was bad interpretation of the story as to why I had question your knowledge of it from the beginning ( though I'm not looking to make you feel ignorant ) you might know some of the surface stuff in the Bible, but it gets deep bud, real deep... The proffesional experts don't train people properly from my perspective, ( this is debatable to ) so your knowledge of the Bible has come through proffesionals who they themselves have bad understanding. ( they are over there in Rome now kissing the feet of a statue that looks like Peter ) thinking they are going to get blessed by someone other then Jesus... Bad understanding bite, as for intellect, does this thread sound dumb? Does anyone that has posted on the side of ( for Christ )come off as just ignorant and foolish people? ...


Uh, what could be logically deduced regarding that when someone tells you their indoctrination started formally, by professionals, @ 5yrs old (kindergarten, remember?). In case you once again can't discern the answer, I'll make it amazingly easy: YES, yes I took it seriously, of course I once believed. I was a child being indoctrinated by professional adults.

just because I read Darwinism in community college and had to test on it and study it, doesn't mean I believed it, means I had to take this freakin biology course to get credits.. Now ok, you answered you say, yes, you did believe God. Are you saying you believed because someone told you to, you were a child? Then once you were grown you started to listen to these " more educated minds " that said there was no God... There was some big bang, and walla here we are. Can you remember the decisive moment that you told yourself, this is all crap, I believed a big lie " there is no God " ? If you could answer I would appreciate the response.

The Stations of the Cross were outrageously long; we'd by marched from the school to the church for the ritual. BTW, the hardest I've ever been hit in my life (I won all but 1 fight in my life, I've been in my fair share, from a kid thru my Army service up to now) well, the hardest I was ever hit was by a priest, who whacked me from behind when I got in a fight w/a kid named Clifford as we were marching over to the church for the Stations ritual. I had Clifford down and was punching away when the priest knocked me unconscious from behind. I know this because I woke up back in the classroom with my best friend (tending to me) and ol Clifford. They told me what happened. Only the 3 of us were back in the classroom -- everyone else was at the Stations ritual. Happened today, that priest would have been appropriately ARRESTED.

that sucks man, I'm sorry a grown adult let alone a " priest " did that, that's 100% child abuse, and your right he should have had charges pressed on him, if it was my son, I would want that guy to tie his shoes real tight and square up for a bit, children are very impressionable and I see why some want to get far away from God because of experiences similar ... Imagine if you had got touched by one of these bastards with a priest collar ? It would be unreal to overcome... Or even think about God for years probably..I'm sure God knows our heart and understands some of our decisions, but no one said this life would be easy, no one.. I just look at that very walk that you missed that day, put yourself in the shoes of Christ. Can you imagine healing these people, your people, only for them later to not only call for your blood, but completely humiliate and mock you on the way to your death, spitting throwing who knows what at you, them taking turns pushing and hitting you while your being whipped with cat tales, walking the long mile to your death with a hundred pound cross on your back,.. Then the actual crucifying nails in your hands, nails in your feet, and you don't die right away, you have to constantly put pressure on different parts of your body hanging there to relieve pressure from other parts that are agonizing, pretty much constant agony for hours, until death, Just unreal man..

lol... good one. Your own words disprove that; you choose to believe in unproven religious beliefs over proven, documented science. You can argue otherwise but the evidence doesn't support you. More mental masturbation from you to assuage your mind that you really don't reject logic and science (when in fact, for the most part, you do). One of the many differences between you and I, is: I ADMIT MY REJECTIONS.

I don't reject science bite, evolution is not proven. Just because it's in text books does not make it true, there are plenty of holes and discrepancies that I'm sure your aware of, and they aren't even shore of a big bang anymore ... You know this bite, why deny and say I reject science? My grandpa helped design rockets for nasa btw..

Nor am I.

well your the one saying you talk to your friend about buddha, and hindus for hours.. It's a false since of spirituality is what it is, and is fitting right in the new age movement. So if your talking about it for hours I assumed it is acceptable to you is what I was getting at, I don't think I have comprehension problems bite, I actually did fairly well in reading through my life.


lol... but your religious beliefs are right... wow, I didn't see that one coming.
Btw, won't personalize but in general: those that are deluded, don't comprehend that they are; nature of the beast with delusion, obviously.

yes, they are, I can't help what's there but I have already shown the Hebrew God YAHWEH, (Jesus Christ ) & the Holy Spirit was here first before any of the dated religions known to man, the only reason they have moved on is because of lucifer, power ( spiritual power that I don't deny, it's real, it's just a spirit I rebuke and has no dominion in my life ) money, and tradition of men, but if you want to talk about what's " right " and righteous and holy, yes it's Jesus the messiah, the lion of Judah.

Uh, reading comprehension, pal. Please work to improve it, for your sake. Learning about something is not buying into it... got it? FREE THINKER, remember? "few others"... lol, unintentional funny stuff... nice.

I asked you early if you ( believed ) the Bible, you say " yes, you took it seriously and were being indoctrinated as a child " because you had professional teachers. Now you say " learning about something is not buying into it " wasn't that what you were doing as a child " learning about Jesus from the Catholic perspective "

*sigh*... reading comprehension, pal. That I learned about their beliefs (from my professional friend) doesn't mean I learned anything FROM them -- can you discern the distinction I'm making here?

Ok, so you learned ( about ) them just nothing ( from ) them... Well what did you learn about Christ, that you couldn't accept? How could you entertain hours of talk about hindu which has thousands of gods and buddha which pretty much replaces himself as God but completely reject talks about the one true God Jesus Christ?

lol... yeah, but God sure is a dawdler! What you say here is nonsensical to the actual question asked, per usual; your M.O. is to evade the actual question, then just launch into dogmatic religious stories thinking you're somehow answering the question. Wrong & tiresome

no, he doesn't hang around twiddling thumbs, And no I'm not evading anything, I'm telling you God is not a liar, He gave lucifer a set time, when that time is up, it's over. I'm also telling you, man is who is sinning, man is who is destroying himself. Lucifer & co deals in misery and death, and love sin, they live controlling your life through wretched ways of life. They love fame, pride, heavy metal, sex, drugs, and gangsta rap, all that. They love the careers that are made into existence because of it .. It's his tool box, it's his play ground

We let him in our lives...not God, do you blame God for eve being beguiled to eat off that tree by lucifer?


So you chose to directly respond to my analogy with simplistic dogma, instead of actually answering the questons it posed: Accountability? Why be an apologist? How did the babies' sin and turn away from God? Etc...


My above paragraph is part of this response and no babies don't sin.. They are the epitome of innocence. If you want to believe my responses are just dogmatic rebuttals that your not understanding, I can't help that.

Oh, nevermind... I know you don't have any logical answers to the questions that I, BigD, maggie, etc. pose to you, so..... you will always revert to your M.O. -- which, by the way, is not actual THINKING for oneself, but rather, just regurgitating dogmatic speil taught to you by others.

I've answered pretty much ALL the questions that even bigd has shown appreciation and respect for, so I don't know what you are getting at here. Also most of what I've been taught doesn't come from man, but straight from God with the Holy Spirit Himself, I thank and praise Him dearly..

lol... awesomely (unintentonally) hilarious. KUDOS.
BTW, meant to mention earlier: love how you casually toss in the gays with the murderers and pedophiles when talking about "turning away from God". That is also unintentionally hilarious on your part. KUDOS, again.

Well I'm explaining that sin is their master, they are entrapped by the bondage of sin. They live for it, they dress like it, they watch it, they talk like it, that spirit embodies them, and yes they are a slave to it.. It's all sin, murders, aborters, pedo's, trans, gays ... It's sick, as for just being gay, it's not as sick but sick nonetheless and is anti-life, it's all sin though...

*sigh* Seriously, your reading/comprehension is pretty bad. What part of "scientically shown at quantum level of reality that a particle can exist... *wait for it*... in more than 1 place AT THE SAME TIME!" Get it, buddy? Understand the difference between that and "coming back together"? Ah, probably not.

When you start talking about quantum anything, it's ridiculous .. It's just much of a belief as any, it's more of the Devils tool bag, confusion ... God is simple, not some perplexed quantum theory. Do you think you exist in more then one place at one time? Com'on bite...

Comparing what science does (Einstein anyone?) with the higher maths to what politicians, etc do to economic numbers to prove political agendas is intellectually immature and foolish. So much of what you see around you is due to science/math. How we're communicating right now, in fact. Math can explain life's very existence... ah, but yeah, keep being ignorant and sticking to what long-ago humans have wrote as God's holy word. Peeps have a choice/prerogative to remain ignorant. Not wise in long run, but whatever...
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I'm not saying all math is bad, but when talking spirituality and God, I trust God at His Word, and where He tells us to add I do, " like the numbers associated with the building of Noah's ark or the ark of the covenant " but to associate numbers with spirit, would be a bad mistake, one can easily be manipulated with numbers, but don't worry that's there to confuse some as well just look up " gematria " ... There's a thousand and one ways to go wrong..

More reading/comprehension woes, I see. I clearly answered (easily inferred from what I wrote). One more time: I (and others) created our own morals by way of our big human brain, just as humans have created societies, political systems, family units, sports leagues and on & on. We are the creators of such constructs, no God needed. If "God" created morals we'd be likely dealing in absolutes; the reason people's morals vary (to various degrees) is because we all have similar, but different brains. Different interpretations of same situations are natural and to be expected. Morals were created by humans because it's in their own (best) self interests to have them.

Lol, you and this comprehension stuff, stop it man, I'm understanding what you are saying. Now I didn't catch this part, so you say we made up our on moral code, interesting.. Because each country in the world treats crimes differently, so I don't see how you could base one set of values to the next, but ok bite... Would love to see a history lesson on " how we made our moral code " ..

You needed God/religious concepts to control your admittedly bad behavior... others don't. Many operate in this world just fine without those God concepts. They live fine, productive, happy, successful moral lives. Millions have done so beforehand and have long since died. While God concepts are certainly popular w/humans (myths have played an integral role in human development since mankind began)... individually, a person needn't subscribe to any God concept in order to thrive.

right now you don't think you need Him, I pray you eventually realize how much you do, the whole reason we are here is put Him first in everything we do, letting the Holy Spirit guide us with every given situation ... Not our own. I pray one day you rethink this and take it as seriously as you did when you were a youngster.. I hope you really think about it, and if you are a truth seeker as you claim to be, I know you will dig deeper in to God bite, deep down I think you are good dude, just misguided a bit. The world can have its way with people, it will eat you up and spit you out without thinking twice, it doesn't love you... God loves you, He cares man..

I have a GREAT family, wouldn't trade them for the world. Was de facto father figure to 2 of my nieces (sis divorced)... as in: change diapers, helped w/schoolwork, went to functions, taught life lessons, etc. and everything else that would logically entail -- they are wonderful, kind, smart, moral, attractive, educated young women... couldn't be prouder of 'em. Have very close relationship w/ my other sis and her child (off to college this fall like her cousins did). Was close to marriage once, she went splitsville literally couple months before scheduled wedding... never asked for ring back. She subsequently died few years later. Heart broken... yeppers.

sounds like an awesome family then bite, glad you can take responsibility as a good uncle, wish mine would have been like that, and I'm happy they turned out to be something you and your family are proud of, that's awesome... I'm sorry for your loss also, even though it wasn't meant to be, it still hurts that someone we loved is gone from the earth. Have you tried dating a few since?

,Ah, nope. Just a truth seeker, always have been. Covered the ground you're now walking on moons ago and moved on from the silly superstitions of religion. I wish you and your family health and happiness; btw, regarding "closed off" -- look in the mirror, friend. Physician, heal thyself.

I hear you biter, I hope and pray you get back on the road I'm on maybe with a different set of shades that could open up a different perspective that you haven't seen before, it's amazing man, I wouldn't lie to you, the stuff I've seen wouldn't fit in a movie series man. Some wild stuff, but God doesn't give us anything we can't handle. And atleast you have a since of humor, little sick sometimes but I'm sure you know that ...

Yeah, for the most part... I'm finito with this go-nowhere-but-in-circles thread.

Either way bite, I enjoyed the discussion

Biter..... OUT

In bold, I've been a little lazy to repaste these comments below, be it the length of discussion, hope you can understand ..

peace to you biter, see you at the tables.

[brainfreeze]

I misspelled sure btw bite, I spelled shore, right where I talk about my grandpa working for nasa, the irony lol ... I'm ready for the beach, I preach to the fish to btw..

Mark 16:15

15And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.

[bobbywaves]

Santa doesn't discriminate against gays like God does in the Bible.

Correct:

[BigDofBA]

Correct:

When you can't win a debate, make jokes. Good job.

In Exodus the Bible says, "Thou shall not kill"

In other parts of the Bible God kills everyone with a flood and talks about murdering none believers.

Which is it?

The Bible contradicts itself and tells old wise tells about splitting the Sea yet people believe in God because of it. Unreal.

[brainfreeze]

When you can't win a debate, make jokes. Good job.

In Exodus the Bible says, "Thou shall not kill"

In other parts of the Bible God kills everyone with a flood and talks about murdering none believers.

Which is it?

The Bible contradicts itself and tells old wise tells about splitting the Sea yet people believe in God because of it. Unreal.

Genesis 6:11

11The earth also was corrupt before God, and the earth was filled with violence. 12And God looked upon the earth, and, behold, it was corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted his way upon the earth. 13And God said unto Noah, The end of all flesh is come before me; for the earth is filled with violence through them; and, behold, I will destroy them with the earth. 14Make thee an ark of gopher wood; rooms shalt thou make in the ark, and shalt pitch it within and without with pitch. 15And this is the fashion which thou shalt make it of: The length of the ark shall be three hundred cubits, the breadth of it fifty cubits, and the height of it thirty cubits. 16A window shalt thou make to the ark, and in a cubit shalt thou finish it above; and the door of the ark shalt thou set in the side thereof; with lower, second, and third stories shalt thou make it. 17And, behold, I, even I, do bring a flood of waters upon the earth, to destroy all flesh, wherein is the breath of life, from under heaven; and every thing that is in the earth shall die. 18But with thee will I establish my covenant; and thou shalt come into the ark, thou, and thy sons, and thy wife, and thy sons' wives with thee. 19And of every living thing of all flesh, two of every sort shalt thou bring into the ark, to keep them alive with thee; they shall be male and female. 20Of fowls after their kind, and of cattle after their kind, of every creeping thing of the earth after his kind, two of every sort shall come unto thee, to keep them alive.



He also destroyed sodom ... ALL FLESH had become corrupt. He always saves the righteous therein, this case it was Noah and family.


it was Lot & family in sodom ... Accept for his wife, who had to turned back.

[BigDofBA]

Genesis 6:11

11The earth also was corrupt before God, and the earth was filled with violence. 12And God looked upon the earth, and, behold, it was corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted his way upon the earth. 13And God said unto Noah, The end of all flesh is come before me; for the earth is filled with violence through them; and, behold, I will destroy them with the earth. 14Make thee an ark of gopher wood; rooms shalt thou make in the ark, and shalt pitch it within and without with pitch. 15And this is the fashion which thou shalt make it of: The length of the ark shall be three hundred cubits, the breadth of it fifty cubits, and the height of it thirty cubits. 16A window shalt thou make to the ark, and in a cubit shalt thou finish it above; and the door of the ark shalt thou set in the side thereof; with lower, second, and third stories shalt thou make it. 17And, behold, I, even I, do bring a flood of waters upon the earth, to destroy all flesh, wherein is the breath of life, from under heaven; and every thing that is in the earth shall die. 18But with thee will I establish my covenant; and thou shalt come into the ark, thou, and thy sons, and thy wife, and thy sons' wives with thee. 19And of every living thing of all flesh, two of every sort shalt thou bring into the ark, to keep them alive with thee; they shall be male and female. 20Of fowls after their kind, and of cattle after their kind, of every creeping thing of the earth after his kind, two of every sort shall come unto thee, to keep them alive.



He also destroyed sodom ... ALL FLESH had become corrupt. He always saves the righteous therein, this case it was Noah and family.


it was Lot & family in sodom ... Accept for his wife, who had to turned back.

Brainfreeze, I appreciate the input but the versus still don't make sense as far as my question is concerned. I will read into them more.

I thought God created everything. Why did he then create a corrupt Earth? Why didn't he do it right the first time? Noah wasn't righteous either, he sinned after this event and still disappointed god. So even after God had a mulligan, and redid his work, it still wasn't perfect.

1 Samuel 15:11:
"I regret I have made Saul king, because he has turned away from me and has not carried out my instructions. Samuel was angry, and he cried out to the LORD all that night."

Reading this verse it is evident God was not perfect and made mistakes along the way. His plan for the human race wasn't perfect either. Despite the fact that I did not choose to be brought into this world I somehow must choose between worshiping some God I can't see or goto Hell? This seems like a pretty shitty deal.

The Bible says God is all knowing and perfect yet he can't see these disappointments coming. That's hard to wrap my head around.

God created man, and man disappointed him so then he killed everyone in a flood..... then man once again disappointed him so God had to send his son done to make things right and make revisions to Gods moral God.

Why couldn't God succeed on the first try? If anyone could, it seems like it would have been God. If God was all knowing, he seems like he didn't put much effort into creating the universe.

[BiTeMe UsAdOj]

Ok, Freezer... cuz you asked if I would answer and I certainly do respect you, I'll zip thru a few things:

I do feel I'm wasting my time in this thread BUT...

if anything we learned a little more about each other, and showed each other a good amount of respect, so no matter, was a good convo..

I agree with this... good point.

as for intellect, does this thread sound dumb? Does anyone that has posted on the side of ( for Christ )come off as just ignorant and foolish people? ...

Frankly, YES. Not trying to be a smartass or pretentious... just being honest. More than one, actually. But the only one I'll name is... well, let's just say I made this last night after reading a couple of his posts (just decided not to post it then but, ah, what the hell I'll post it now!):

Can you remember the decisive moment that you told yourself, this is all crap, I believed a big lie " there is no God " ? If you could answer I would appreciate the response.

Sure, fair question.
Let me first state that YES, 100% I was a believer. Sure, I was indoctrinated... but what I felt as a child/young teen felt REAL (which is why so many peeps can't break from the indoctrination -- I see examples in this thread). BTW, let's be specific here: as previously stated, I'm not an atheist. I reject all religious Gods, which obviously includes the one I was indoctrinated to worship. That's a clear distinction I'm making here.

While I can point to the specific day I (somewhat nervously) strolled up to my father @16yrs old to announce I wasn't going to church anymore (my dad died ~20yrs ago, btw), it was due to a slow, evolving observational discernment be ME and ME alone of what was really going on in this World. IOW, no one "talked me out of it"... all me. I intellectually figured out what I had been taught simply didn't jive with the reality of what I was observing/experiencing in this World. Without getting too deep and specific, that's the simplest way to explain it.

So if your talking about it for hours I assumed it is acceptable to you is what I was getting at,

Wrong interpretation; I talked to my friend about various religions because he's extremely knowledgeable and I like learning about all kinds of things; btw, the pics he has during his Maharishi days are awesome... he was in the inner circle. He actually left because he felt Maharishi (along w/Gray, DeAngelis, etc.) were losing their way with their focus on money, celebrity, etc. My friend walks the walk... BIGTIME. Just spoke to him last week.

he doesn't hang around twiddling thumbs, And no I'm not evading anything,

I've answered pretty much ALL the questions

Well, again, you've answered them in dogma, but not in any practical way and that's the way the questions were asked, so..... we'll have to agree to disagree here.

When you start talking about quantum anything, it's ridiculous .. It's just much of a belief as any, it's more of the Devils tool bag, confusion ...

Ah, OK... not trying to be mean here but, you're absolutely clueless and lost here and your ignorance is pretty embarrassing. Don't feel too bad, tho... you're not alone in your ignorance!

God is simple, not some perplexed quantum theory.

Well, sure... and building a house with Play Doh is more simple than building one with bricks, BUT, what one is a real house you can actually live in and not just a fantasy house? Simple ain't always best, buddy.

Vast knowledge exists of the quantum world; stop closing your mind off and punch in the time to educate yourself about it. You're the guy that thinks they have virtually all the answers (via your God beliefs), not me.

Do you think you exist in more then one place at one time? Com'on bite

Yep, I think there's a strong possibility that indeed may be the case; and a lot of the cutting edge science is leaning toward such things or other things as similarly astounding. You're just ignorant to all this, is all. BUT, don't worry... as you live your life and the years pass you'll be hearing more and more about these silly quantum things and other stuff akin to what I'm saying. BUT, I'm sure you and all the other religious folk will continue to dismiss proven scientific realities, so...... CARRY ON.

Have you tried dating a few since?

Of course, but my perspective on marriage/relationships has changed as a direct result of what I experienced w/her; she died in 2007.

And atleast you have a since of humor, little sick sometimes but I'm sure you know that ...

My humor runs the gamut; I'm always aware of time and place and appropriateness to a particular situation and have never crossed an inappropriate line, IMO. Ain't a damn thing wrong with ribaldry -- it's been employed by mankind since our ancestors first started talking/writing.

Either way bite, I enjoyed the discussion

Likewise

Biter.... OUT

[PittsburghPlayer]

God.

Why couldn't God succeed on the first try? If anyone could, it seems like it would have been God. If God was all knowing, he seems like he didn't put much effort into creating the universe.

Indeed.
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.Biter said: Freezer... cuz you asked if I would answer and I certainly do respect you, I'll zip thru a few things:
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good, thank you for the response .. Let's go on a bit.

I agree with this... good point.

Yes, so if nothing else.. I appreciate you coming in to give your view, and the reason why you feel the way you do about some things.

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Frankly, YES. Not trying to be a smartass or pretentious... just being honest. More than one, actually. But the only one I'll name is... well, let's just say I made this last night after reading a couple of his posts (just decided not to post it then but, ah, what the hell I'll post it now!):

lol, oh man... This was a bit funny, just the way you word stuff with images ( not laughing at dodger ) but I can't really speak on that, I don't know him but what he has said here, I mostly agree with him, I've been called crazy more then a few times just in the last few pages, I'm good with it, I'm comfortable knowing who I am ( a child of God ) so I don't mind the insults, and hardly ever fire back.. It does no good. I'm trying to help God here, and let His love reign through my words. We can all call each other crazy but no one benefits anything..

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Sure, fair question.
Let me first state that YES, 100% I was a believer. Sure, I was indoctrinated... but what I felt as a child/young teen felt REAL (which is why so many peeps can't break from the indoctrination -- I see examples in this thread). BTW, let's be specific here: as previously stated, I'm not an atheist. I reject all religious Gods, which obviously includes the one I was indoctrinated to worship. That's a clear distinction I'm making here.

what do you mean by it (felt) real? Can you magnify on that a bit? Did you have any particular experience, or has anything strange ever happened, and you were like " that's strange "? Sometimes God can come in ways were we can define it other then to say, that's weird, abnormal, strange, awkward, different, etc. there's no word I still can think of to define some experiences only by what I know to call them... Miracles. Have you had any strange experiences ? Something you can't explain ?

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While I can point to the specific day I (somewhat nervously) strolled up to my father @16yrs old to announce I wasn't going to church anymore (my dad died ~20yrs ago, btw), it was due to a slow, evolving observational discernment be ME and ME alone of what was really going on in this World. IOW, no one "talked me out of it"... all me. I intellectually figured out what I had been taught simply didn't jive with the reality of what I was observing/experiencing in this World. Without getting too deep and specific, that's the simplest way to explain it.

first off sorry for your loss, second I understand what you are talking about, I think. The world we see is ugly, ain't it? It's not peaches man, sin has done this, I know you don't want to hear that right now, and neither did I.. My parents divorced when I was 10 (I have older sisters to) about time I was 13, I was out of the house macking on girls and just stayed oblivious to what " home " was... I grew up on the streets with kids like me, they were a bit numb to it all and just wanted to enjoy themselves. One of the kids would shoot across a four lane highway mid traffic going 40-50 mph or so... People power braking we would hear tires screech, he would do this randomly all the time.. We ( my buds I used to ride bikes with ) would laugh, thinking this guy is crazy. Now that I look back, he wasn't crazy, he was hurting inside, dying actually ..and probably still is. He loss his mom to a car crash when he was a child and his dad was a screw up who he ended up living with in terrible neighborhoods and circumstances... but this guy, is what I'm talking about, he was numb to life, we didn't care. A lot of people I associated myself with as I grew were like that, just not in so much pain to want to jump in front of traffic or risk our lives that way..

Life can suck once drowning in all the pain( that sin has applied to our lives through whatever means ), I could go on, I don't want to take up to much time but to stay on the points at hand. Very serious age though, 13-18, it's where decision can make you or break you. Our thoughts also conceive into bigger ones rather right or wrong.

I don't know what you seen of the world at that age, but I know that thought has conceived and has grew to where you would have it now, sometimes it's good to go back, and think about everything, our lives in general and what we did here or how we felt about something there, and evaluate how we were in that time and place. I do so a lot, but I have tons of memory, I literally feel like the cat with nine lives sometime, God has kept me, I guess for even threads like this one that He knew would come to pass later on in my life.. I am humble and gracious.

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Wrong interpretation; I talked to my friend about various religions because he's extremely knowledgeable and I like learning about all kinds of things; btw, the pics he has during his Maharishi days are awesome... he was in the inner circle. He actually left because he felt Maharishi (along w/Gray, DeAngelis, etc.) were losing their way with their focus on money, celebrity, etc. My friend walks the walk... BIGTIME. Just spoke to him last week.

that's cool you have someone you socialized with that gave you bearings on what else is out there, but I also respect that you don't just blindly follow the next thing smoking or " the next trend " but I just think those religions are for the confused, ( and new age ) the spirit that runs through them is one that has entangled the likes of holy and God and mixes it with self... When it's not about self at all, we are actually to be dying to self and our wants. We should be doing what's right and helping others where necessary.

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Ah, OK... not trying to be mean here but, you're absolutely clueless and lost here and your ignorance is pretty embarrassing. Don't feel too bad, tho... you're not alone in your ignorance!

not exactly ignorant to it, but one can take a theory, that can be substantiated like how quantum started with " light " and then turn it a million ways to Sunday, quantum time, quantum space, quantum truth, and so fourth... Some of it is just bad science bite, don't let people manipulate your intelligence .... Until you see yourself on FaceTime in Cali while your standing in New York ... Don't believe that stuff man.

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Well, sure... and building a house with Play Doh is more simple than building one with bricks, BUT, what one is a real house you can actually live in and not just a fantasy house? Simple ain't always best, buddy.

If i could, mine would be made with stones ..lol, castles from centuries ago still stand today, might not be as sophisticated as today's houses but they will be standing long after those houses crumble. Depending on your perspective of simple bite.

. Vast knowledge exists of the quantum world; stop closing your mind off and punch in the time to educate yourself about it. You're the guy that thinks they have virtually all the answers (via your God beliefs), not me

smh, see.. It's already a quantum world to you with particles in other planets and stuff, I'm just not willing to go there bite, I know what's real, I know what God has shown me to be true, and I don't look to any man to show me otherwise. They want to invent something, or start teleporting people ( waiting on this one ) I will listen with reason, but when people start talking my reflection of particles is in some black hole or something some where ... I've got nothing man. No attention at all for it.

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Yep, I think there's a strong possibility that indeed may be the case; and a lot of the cutting edge science is leaning toward such things or other things as similarly astounding. You're just ignorant to all this, is all. BUT, don't worry... as you live your life and the years pass you'll be hearing more and more about these silly quantum things and other stuff akin to what I'm saying. BUT, I'm sure you and all the other religious folk will continue to dismiss proven scientific realities, so...... CARRY ON.

These aren't realities bite, these are things you have accepted as realities, other wise you'd be able to prove there's a you somewhere out there, these theories are so far out, I don't know how you accept it, yet you can't trust God and start with your heart and seek the one true God.

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Of course, but my perspective on marriage/relationships has changed as a direct result of what I experienced w/her; she died in 2007.

yea, I don't know how I would feel, so I can try to understand .. Again sorry for your loss.

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My humor runs the gamut; I'm always aware of time and place and appropriateness to a particular situation and have never crossed an inappropriate line, IMO. Ain't a damn thing wrong with ribaldry -- it's been employed by mankind since our ancestors first started talking/writing.

i agree you do using timing and place to your advantage, why I get a kick out of some of it. Cheers bite.

[brainfreeze]

. BigDofBA said:
I thought God created everything. Why did he then create a corrupt Earth? Why didn't he do it right the first time? Noah wasn't righteous either, he sinned after this event and still disappointed god. So even after God had a mulligan, and redid his work, it still wasn't perfect.

man was imperfect BigD, ever since Adam and Eve ... Starting with the first murder Cain killing Abel. He did make us right the first time, we screwed that up, and was kicked out of the garden. Noah was still a man btw, but he was nothing like what was left in the world, everything left on earth was of a corrupt heart.

God doesn't control sin, the world would be perfect without it.

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1 Samuel 15:11:
"I regret I have made Saul king, because he has turned away from me and has not carried out my instructions. Samuel was angry, and he cried out to the LORD all that night."

Reading this verse it is evident God was not perfect and made mistakes along the way. His plan for the human race wasn't perfect either. Despite the fact that I did not choose to be brought into this world I somehow must choose between worshiping some God I can't see or goto Hell? This seems like a pretty shitty deal.

God might have regrets but just because He regretted something doesn't mean it wasn't the right decision. He doesn't know sin, therefore this will interact with His decisions. He doesn't know if you are going to go out and live for sin today.. He just knows where your heart is in the present, and He builds around that until shown otherwise.

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The Bible says God is all knowing and perfect yet he can't see these disappointments coming. That's hard to wrap my head around.

God created man, and man disappointed him so then he killed everyone in a flood..... then man once again disappointed him so God had to send his son done to make things right and make revisions to Gods moral God.

God is perfect, no He doesn't see the disappointments coming because He doesn't know sin, He doesn't understand the iniquity. God is good, God is holy, God is perfect...Correct, except after Noah and the flood, God sent Moses with laws and sacrifices for sin to keep it at bay. This was to be the welcoming for the coming Messiah, who was going to magnify the law (not revise it) and be the sacrifice Himself.

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Why couldn't God succeed on the first try? If anyone could, it seems like it would have been God. If God was all knowing, he seems like he didn't put much effort into creating the universe.

He did succeed, everything was good that God had created, only until we listen to lucifer is where imperfection crept in.. I think the universe He built is amazing, I think man can be misguided, confused, sick, etc... If people turned to God and lived righteously, He wouldn't turn us over to the likes of a H. Clinton...

Peace BigD

[PittsburghPlayer]

BiteMe, BrainMan and all...

if it matters, I have no real argument, other than my conviction - as you have yours.

My conviction IS what would MY MOTHER want me to do, say, believe - THINK ?

I KNOW that SHE was TRUE - as was YOURS. - your Mothers.

My Mother - as did YOURS - based her love in YOU, and most likely her God, AND - HER MOTHER.

We are damn lucky men!!

[PittsburghPlayer]

as an aside...

I am somewhat God-like.
(maybe you are too?)

Love ALL men.

Until they give me REASON not to!

[BOA12]

Did GOD create man or did MAN create god? Man exists,GOD is a concept. My money's on MAN. bol to all believers

[Snowball]

Did GOD create man or did MAN create god? Man exists,GOD is a concept. My money's on MAN. bol to all believers

how stupid. Man created himself. ok.

[Snowball]

http://www.petahtikvah.com/Articles/MYSTERIOUSEVENTSINISRAEL.htm

http://www3.telus.net/public/kstam/en/temple/details/evidence.htm

[BOA12]

how stupid. Man created himself. ok.

You can base your life on what may or may not be true. How smart. ok

[Muller Rose]

Only a higher power could create something like this.

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Hahahahhahahahha! Good one!

[BiTeMe UsAdOj]

what do you mean by it (felt) real? Can you magnify on that a bit?

My parents were very good peeps; active in the church & community, participating in organized good deeds for other people. We kids were involved in these activities (met Fran Tarkenton when I was 6 thru a church event, he tousled my hair while asking me, "how ya doin', sonny?" -- I can still hear him saying that in my mind today. Got my picture in the local paper along w/3 other kids with Mr.Tarkenton. We got in the pic cuz our dads were the organizers of the event. RS!!!, indeed. BTW, I won a number of bets later on from peeps doubting me about the pic, but o'course I had the newspaper for proof. No mystery why I'm a NY Giants fan!)

Anyway, while participating in these events thru church/community (food drives, toys for poor kids at Christmas, etc.) I certainly would experience a warm feeling helping others, which of course solidified the whole school/church teachings. Everything when I was a kid-kid seemed to mesh... life with teachings. You know, felt REAL. Those were my experiences up to that point.

As a funny/weird aside, my family would go to the church bazaar every year (they still have it!, albeit different) and when I was ~10yrs old in a "Spin-the-Wheel game" that had an electric razor as the top prize to be chosen (and I wanted it!) I prayed just before slapping down my George Washington on the number and o'course I binked it (something like 1-40 numbered wheel). You know... sh*t felt REAL.

Did you have any particular experience, or has anything strange ever happened, and you were like " that's strange "?

Life, in general, is strange... so I've had literally many a peculiar experience (Army! we'll leave it at that) but most all could somehow be explained in some form or fashion of logic/rationality and "hey, life's strange".

BUT, in 2003 my sis and I attended a John Edward (the medium) taping in Queens @ the old Cosby studios. Show use to be on LIFETIME, IIRC. They literally locked you in the studio for 3+hours and they cut 3 shows of the taping we were at (sis recorded them all when they aired). My sis was very close to my father and wanted to make a "connection" and tried for a couple years to get tickets for this (once) very hot show, but never could score the tickets. THEN, in a weird circumstance, she finally got the tickets. Amazingly, it was for the taping ON MY DAD'S BIRTHDAY.

Well, some verrry strange things occurred that whole day (even involved a Yankees game!, which o'course was my Dad's fav team) but a lot is personal and I have to be in the right mood to divulge it all. So, perhaps in the future I'll elaborate further on specifics; BUT, I have to "warn" you: All that occured (during show taping and then subsequently that day) speaks more to the stuff I've been talking about -- you know, the Q word and theories associated w/it -- then anything in the Religious/God sense.

quantum time, quantum space, quantum truth, and so fourth... .... Until you see yourself on FaceTime in Cali while your standing in New York ... Don't believe that stuff man.

Uh, Freezer... the scientific (already accomplished/further pursued) experiments and extrapolated concepts I was talking about -- particle(s) appearing in 2 different places (at least) at the same time -- speaks to OTHER DIMENSIONS/PARALLEL UNIVERSES/SIMILAR CONCEPTS and *not* about being in San Francisco and NYC at the same time (uh, that's same dimension; think really macro, pal).

Altho, the gays in Chelsea & the Castro District would sure like YOUR idea better, increase the "prize pool"...


Hope you've been enjoying a great & safe 4th with your Fam and it continues throughout the night, Freezer.

Health & happiness to you & yours always, pal

[brainfreeze]

Life, in general, is strange... so I've had literally many a peculiar experience (Army! we'll leave it at that) but most all could somehow be explained in some form or fashion of logic/rationality and "hey, life's strange".

BUT, in 2003 my sis and I attended a John Edward (the medium) taping in Queens @ the old Cosby studios. Show use to be on LIFETIME, IIRC. They literally locked you in the studio for 3+hours and they cut 3 shows of the taping we were at (sis recorded them all when they aired). My sis was very close to my father and wanted to make a "connection" and tried for a couple years to get tickets for this (once) very hot show, but never could score the tickets. THEN, in a weird circumstance, she finally got the tickets. Amazingly, it was for the taping ON MY DAD'S BIRTHDAY.

Well, some verrry strange things occurred that whole day (even involved a Yankees game!, which o'course was my Dad's fav team) but a lot is personal and I have to be in the right mood to divulge it all. So, perhaps in the future I'll elaborate further on specifics; BUT, I have to "warn" you: All that occured (during show taping and then subsequently that day) speaks more to the stuff I've been talking about -- you know, the Q word

Hope you've been enjoying a great & safe 4th with your Fam and it continues throughout the night, Freezer.

Health & happiness to you & yours always, pal

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Biter said:. My parents were very good peeps; active in the church & community, participating in organized good deeds for other people. We kids were involved in these activities (met Fran Tarkenton when I was 6 thru a church event, he tousled my hair while asking me, "how ya doin', sonny?" -- I can still hear him saying that in my mind today. Got my picture in the local paper along w/3 other kids with Mr.Tarkenton. We got in the pic cuz our dads were the organizers of the event. RS!!!, indeed. BTW, I won a number of bets later on from peeps doubting me about the pic, but o'course I had the newspaper for proof. No mystery why I'm a NY Giants fan!)

Well you are a good guy, I'm sure you come from decent people no doubt.. and your parents are to thank for that, I'm sure your grateful of them. That's cool you got to hang out with a pretty exceptional person such as Fran, https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fran_Tarkenton Never heard of the guy, but just looked into him. I was never in all out fan of to much of anything...but Fran seems like a winner rather the tech world or football. Your dad seems like cool people to, he was a real dad...that beats out all careers in my book, just sayin.

. Anyway, while participating in these events thru church/community (food drives, toys for poor kids at Christmas, etc.) I certainly would experience a warm feeling helping others, which of course solidified the whole school/church teachings. Everything when I was a kid-kid seemed to mesh... life with teachings. You know, felt REAL. Those were my experiences up to that point.

Yes, that's the beginning of what is normal and real... That warm feeling, helping someone, getting lunch for the homeless, giving a stranger a hug, helping a old lady with her bags, loving someone that's hard to love, this is the Holy Spirits work, won't always feel warm but will always feel right... It is real, the world is built on goodness, just imagine if everyone was out for self and greedy... Place would be on fire by now, the world is full of good people, some confused and, ya know every body is on a road... and hasn't quite figured it out. Doctors and surgeons help though, and cops risk lives, firemen go in to burning buildings... AND SOLIDERS FIGHT!! Happy 4th btw... but it's real bite, the heart knows this but just hasn't seeked to figure it all out yet, life comes a million miles a minute..

As a funny/weird aside, my family would go to the church bazaar every year (they still have it!, albeit different) and when I was ~10yrs old in a "Spin-the-Wheel game" that had an electric razor as the top prize to be chosen (and I wanted it!) I prayed just before slapping down my George Washington on the number and o'course I binked it (something like 1-40 numbered wheel). You know... sh*t felt REAL.

Well... Nay, that's not what I meant, maybe in that specific situation it was left to chance, but for the majority we know what the odds are walking into roulette type situation ( especially in 1900's, the mafia way ) the rig was in... but I understand circumstances presented itself that you won the prize, nice!

Life, in general, is strange... so I've had literally many a peculiar experience (Army! we'll leave it at that) but most all could somehow be explained in some form or fashion of logic/rationality and "hey, life's strange".
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your right, it can be... There have been a few times in life ( before surrendering to Christ ) that I thought what in the world is this that I'm going through... I can't give the excuse still " this can be explained " though I know a scientist or brainiac in general would ever walk my trail, or ever want to for that matter to try to put rationality to it...lol, but life can run deep ..and I'd imagine the surface of things can be explained in some what of a rational way but I'm sure you understand we can't just explain certain circumstances and situations away...but hoo-ra thank you for your service biter!!

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BUT, in 2003 my sis and I attended a John Edward (the medium) taping in Queens @ the old Cosby studios. Show use to be on LIFETIME, IIRC. They literally locked you in the studio for 3+hours and they cut 3 shows of the taping we were at (sis recorded them all when they aired). My sis was very close to my father and wanted to make a "connection" and tried for a couple years to get tickets for this (once) very hot show, but never could score the tickets. THEN, in a weird circumstance, she finally got the tickets. Amazingly, it was for the taping ON MY DAD'S BIRTHDAY.


Well, some verrry strange things occurred that whole day (even involved a Yankees game!, which o'course was my Dad's fav team) but a lot is personal and I have to be in the right mood to divulge it all. So, perhaps in the future I'll elaborate further on specifics; BUT, I have to "warn" you: All that occured (during show taping and then subsequently that day) speaks more to the stuff I've been talking about -- you know, the Q word and theories associated w/it -- then anything in the Religious/God sense.

Well bite, the Bible speaks on this stuff and we are not to speak to the dead, because it's not them... It's not our dad or our grandpa or nothing, it's something that does know your dad, knows everything about him, and these things are real ( there are fakes ) but there are very real séance's and different type of conjuring to get a desired request, these things are real bite, but the spirits involved will be of a fallen nature that knows what we want to hear to the T, it won't be are loved ones... They have passed, ( to these other deminsions you speak of ) I don't deny dimensions bite, I deny the manipulation of explanations of said dimensions ...btw they were there long before this quantum stuff was even a thought, " Paul talks about a third heaven " but these type of experiences can show you how real this stuff is and can possibly make one persuaded to either see it through, or get to the source ( the real power ) which is in Jesus Christ. Who can show you things about your relatives that will absolutely freak you out... I could explain, ( a recent experiences like this about my granddad made me cold turkey quit smoking, ) Gods amazing bite...

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Uh, Freezer... the scientific (already accomplished/further pursued) experiments and extrapolated concepts I was talking about -- particle(s) appearing in 2 different places (at least) at the same time -- speaks to OTHER DIMENSIONS/PARALLEL UNIVERSES/SIMILAR CONCEPTS and *not* about being in San Francisco and NYC at the same time (uh, that's same dimension; think really macro, pal).

Rather if these particles are in two different places at the same time ( and we are able to tell it is the same EXACT particle in a different dimension as the exact same time it's here ) is completely different then saying we are there to, we aren't... We are here, on earth bud... Ground zero... Trial field, we are here to learn and to accept what I'm talking about, living for Him, doing good, being good to our families, being good to everyone we possibly can and doing as much as we can.. We are here to serve, Jesus is King of Kings yet washed the apostles feet, humbly... We are servants, this is the pride we should absorb and let take effect, and it will through soaking in His Words... He lives in His Words and His Holy Spirit will be in pursuit to the genuine heart... These different dimensions are just another part of Gods awesome creation bite, don't let a scientist twist it into what he thinks it should be for you, don't let them mold the perception of what God has created into a man made definition, to give it a text book look at what they themselves aren't understanding...it's blind leading blind..

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Altho, the gays in Chelsea & the Castro District would sure like YOUR idea better, increase the "prize pool

i just want it all to slow down, give people some time to think of what they are actually doing..

.Hope you've been enjoying a great & safe 4th with your Fam and it continues throughout the night, Freezer.

Health & happiness to you & yours always, pal

Yes sir, was a awesome day... I hope yours was better, again, thanks for your service biter!!! Happy 4th !

[BiTeMe UsAdOj]

You're stuck in old superstition, Freezer... we'll agree to disagree.
I'll stick w/science.

I think you've watched THE EXORCIST one too many times
(although that movie is one of my all time favs -- DIRECTOR'S CUT... awesome sauce).

BTW, coincidentally, my Maharishi friend and my dad share the same birthdate, albeit 15yrs apart. Ah, and one guy's dead and the other isn't... that's another difference there.

GL in your evangelizing travels, buddy... where ever and in whatever form they make take you.

[brainfreeze]

You're stuck in old superstition, Freezer... we'll agree to disagree.
I'll stick w/science.

I think you've watched THE EXORCIST one too many times
(although that movie is one of my all time favs -- DIRECTOR'S CUT... awesome sauce).

BTW, coincidentally, my Maharishi friend and my dad share the same birthdate, albeit 15yrs apart. Ah, and one guy's dead and the other isn't... that's another difference there.

GL in your evangelizing travels, buddy... where ever and in whatever form they make take you.

i don't believe in superstition ... I believe in Jesus. I don't watch to many movies either " did see finding Dora today with the fam, first time in a theater in five years, pretty good cartoon movie for the little ones "

Your dad isn't dead, his flesh is... his spirit & soul ( mind, will, emotions ) has passed on. Also just because things can have a " coincidence " to them doesn't always mean it got there ( in your life ) from a good place or for good reason.. Just be careful of what you accept as truth, you came in by yourself and we will leave that way also... Your a smart strong minded dude, don't let yourself off easy, seek out a matter, Moses was wandering the dessert 40 years before he reached a promise land.

& thank you bite, may your ventures be pleasant and prosperous in whatever you do, your a good dude, getting to the Kingdom starts with one step in the right direction.

peace bite

[TheAntFather]

Did GOD create man or did MAN create god? Man exists,GOD is a concept. My money's on MAN. bol to all believers

[brainfreeze]

[brainfreeze]

Sometimes it's much easier to believe a big lie, then a small truth...

[maggiethebestdog]

I guess if you believe in God you will believe John Scam Edward can talk to the dead. He is a con artist that just cold reads the morons in his audience. I should have known you would believe in him. You do know that your God forbids you to allow the con man to perform his act on you. Do you follow anything in your Bible??? It seems you have no idea what it says.

[bobbywaves]

I guess if you believe in God you will believe John Scam Edward can talk to the dead. He is a con artist that just cold reads the morons in his audience. I should have known you would believe in him. You do know that your God forbids you to allow the con man to perform his act on you. Do you follow anything in your Bible??? It seems you have no idea what it says.

Are you naively suggesting spirits don't exist? Have you ever heard of spirit box sessions, do you think they're all fake as well?

I suggest beginning your education here: https://www.youtube.com/results?sear...st+adventures+

For shits & giggles, I recently asked my spirit box the name of the all time worst dog.

Many spirits responded, saying Maggie.

[maggiethebestdog]

Are you naively suggesting spirits don't exist? Have you ever heard of spirit box sessions, do you think they're all fake as well?

I suggest beginning your education here: https://www.youtube.com/results?sear...st+adventures+

For shits & giggles, I recently asked my spirit box the name of the all time worst dog.

Many spirits responded, saying Maggie.

Uhhhm, they are not real. A toddler would know that. Don't try and be clever. You can't pull it off.

[bobbywaves]

Uhhhm, they are not real.

Are CCTV cameras fake too? You may want to open up your mind, or continue to look ignorant.

A toddler would know that.

A toddler knows this as well:

Don't try and be clever.

Not trying to be clever, it comes natural.