Let us pre-emptively put anything future AOC says on healthcare into context

[Sanity Check]

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Below is a clip from an animated feature film entitled: Superman Doomsday from way back in 2007.

It does a clever job of explaining why healthcare in the USA is expensive and unaffordable in 24 seconds.

One major criticism of democrats and leftists like Alexandria Ocasio Cortez is, no matter how many hours they waste flapping their gums pointlessly on topics like healthcare they will NEVER do a better job addressing topics like the economy, or taxes than countless pop culture media sources did more than 10 years ago. That's without delving into academic or journalistic efforts to define these topics which would be better still.

AOC could be in office for 10,000 years and she would never do a better job defining negatives of US healthcare than this 24 second clip. Like Elizabeth Warren the only thing she could do is claim to be 1/1024th native american and thus endeth the extent of her bragging rights.

The only person in office saying intelligent and clever things on real issues is Donald J. Trump. That's the reason he won the election, its the reason he has an overwhelming amount of support.

[guitarjosh]

Your argument is that there are cures for diseases out there but the pharmaceutical industry won't put them out there because it will cut into their profits. If there really was a cure, the insurance companies, which are so powerful they wrote our current health care laws, wouldn't pay for the chronic treatments, they would only pay for the cures.

[Sanity Check]

Your argument is that there are cures for diseases out there but the pharmaceutical industry won't put them out there because it will cut into their profits. If there really was a cure, the insurance companies, which are so powerful they wrote our current health care laws, wouldn't pay for the chronic treatments, they would only pay for the cures.

See if this makes sense.

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The dogma of ‘increasing wants’ as an indispensible basis for further industrial progress. Instead of the duty to work, we now have the duty to consume. To ensure rapid absorbtion of its immense productivity, megatechnics resorts to a score of different devices: consumer credit, installment buying, multiple packaging, non-functional designs, meretricious novelties, shoddy materials, defective workmanship, built-in fragility.

The aim of industry is not primarily to satisfy essential human needs with a minimal productive effort, but to multiply the number of needs, factitious and fictitious, and accommodate them to the maximum mechanical capacity to produce profits. These are the sacred principle of the power complex. Not the least effort of this system is that of replacing selectivity and quantitative restriction by indiscriminate and incontinent consumption.

Thus the shorter working day promised by this system is already turning into a cheat. In order to achieve the higher level of consumption required, the members of the family must take on extra jobs. […] The effect, ironically, is to turn the newly won six- or seven-hour day to twelve or fourteen hours; so in effect, the worker is back where he started, with more material goods than ever before, but with less time to enjoy them or the promised leisure.

If all these goods are in themselves sound and individually desirable, on what grounds can we condemn the system that totalizes them? So say the official spokesmen. All these goods remain valuable if more important human concerns are not overlooked or eradicated. Unqualified successes in over-quantification.

When a scientist in good repute, like Dr. Lee du Bridge, can defend the wholesale immediate use of pesticides, bactericides, and possibly equally dangerous pharmaceuticals, by saying that it would take ten years to test them sufficiently to certify their value and innocuousness and that ‘industry cannot wait’ – it is obvious that his rational commitments to science are secondary to financial pressures, and that the safeguarding of human life is for industry not a matter of major concern.

The ironic effect of quantification is that many of the most desirable gifts of modern technics disappear when distributed en masse, or when – as with the television – they are used too constantly and too automatically. No umbilical cord attached man to nature: neiter ‘security’ nor ‘adjustment’ were the guidelines to human development.

Patrick Geddes: Conditions of degeneration in the organic world are approximately known. These conditions are often of two distinct kinds, deprivation of food, light, etc. so leading to imperfect nutrition and enervation; the other, a life of repose, with abundant supply of food and decreased exposure to the dangers of the environment. It is noteworthy that while the former only depresses, or at most distinguishes the specific type, the latter, through the disuse of the nervous and other structures etc. which such a simplification of life involves, brings about that far more insidious and through degeneration seen in the life history of myriads of parasites.

THE PENTAGON OF POWER, Lewis Mumford, 1970

That quotation doesn't apply exclusively to capitalism btw.

Governments and socialists do the same thing.

[rkelly110]

Me thinks the op needs to check his sanity.

[khicks26]

The truth of the matter is that most drugs are developed in universities with funds coming from US tax payers. Yes that God Dam socialism. Then turned over to private interest. A Ghoul in a high rise has nothing to do with it.

Why you ask? Because the politicians are bought & paid for by the donors. Get the money out of politics. Every other developed country has socialize healthcare. Why doesn't the richest country in the world? Maybe we watch to many cartoons?

[maggiethebestdog]

The truth of the matter is that most drugs are developed in universities with funds coming from US tax payers. Yes that God Dam socialism. Then turned over to private interest. A Ghoul in a high rise has nothing to do with it.

Why you ask? Because the politicians are bought & paid for by the donors. Get the money out of politics. Every other developed country has socialize healthcare. Why doesn't the richest country in the world? Maybe we watch to many cartoons?

Lol
Not even close to being factually correct
What a shock that knicks would post false statistics and lie

[khicks26]

Lol
Not even close to being factually correct
What a shock that knicks would post false statistics and lie

What stats did I post? Prove its a lie Dog Fuker.

[maggiethebestdog]

What stats did I post? Prove its a lie Dog Fuker.

More than 60% of all pharma drugs are privately funded in the USA
Colleges do fund a small % of some as well as accept money from private companies for research


You are a pathological liar and everyone knows it

[rkelly110]

The truth of the matter is that most drugs are developed in universities with funds coming from US tax payers. Yes that God Dam socialism. Then turned over to private interest. A Ghoul in a high rise has nothing to do with it.

Why you ask? Because the politicians are bought & paid for by the donors. Get the money out of politics. Every other developed country has socialize healthcare. Why doesn't the richest country in the world? Maybe we watch to many cartoons?

Yeah, characters like the orange buffoon, brooksy and duhwighty. They should have their own cartoon show (that we wouldn't watch).

[khicks26]

More than 60% of all pharma drugs are privately funded in the USA
Colleges do fund a small % of some as well as accept money from private companies for research


You are a pathological liar and everyone knows it

I'm talking about the R&D side.

[khicks26]

Yeah, characters like the orange buffoon, brooksy and duhwighty. They should have their own cartoon show (that we wouldn't watch).

LOL Talk about taking a brooksy. LOL

[maggiethebestdog]

I'm talking about the R&D side.

Lol
What an uneducated idiot
WTF do you think I am talking about???
You think the colleges pay for the manufacturing process???
Lol

This is when you get caught in a lie, then try to BS your way out of it
It happens every time

This could be one of the funniest, though

[khicks26]

Lol
What an uneducated idiot
WTF do you think I am talking about???
You think the colleges pay for the manufacturing process???
Lol

This is when you get caught in a lie, then try to BS your way out of it
It happens every time

This could be one of the funniest, though

Never said the colleges pay for anything. I said the government funds the colleges.

Yeah your life mission to catch me in a lie. Fuk off Brooks

[maggiethebestdog]

Never said the colleges pay for anything. I said the government funds the colleges.

Yeah your life mission to catch me in a lie. Fuk off Brooks

I love it
A knicks special
Over 60% of all pharma drugs privately funded for R&D
They pay the colleges to do some of the research which pays the employees, not the taxpayers
The taxpayer pays very little, but does pay some because not all costs are paid for privately
To portray it as the taxpayer pays the most for drugs to be developed, no matter where, is not only 100% factually incorrect, but another one if your blatant lies

Keep digging
This is hilarious

[khicks26]

I love it
A knicks special
Over 60% of all pharma drugs privately funded for R&D
They pay the colleges to do some of the research which pays the employees, not the taxpayers
The taxpayer pays very little, but does pay some because not all costs are paid for privately
To portray it as the taxpayer pays the most for drugs to be developed, no matter where, is not only 100% factually incorrect, but another one if your blatant lies

Keep digging
This is hilarious

I would say its who you talk to. You talk to shills & liars. So there you go.

I can post shit that says what I'm talking about is true, but what is the point with clowns like you. You either trust or work for the monied interest.

[maggiethebestdog]

I would say its who you talk to. You talk to shills & liars. So there you go.

I can post shit that says what I'm talking about is true, but what is the point with clowns like you. You either trust or work for the monied interest.

Lol
How far will knicks go to defend another lie he has been caught in???

Pathological

I encourage anyone to research this topic
It won't take long

[khicks26]

Lol
How far will knicks go to defend another lie he has been caught in???

Pathological

I encourage anyone to research this topic
It won't take long

As do I. But do you really trust Big Pharma who spends billions lobbying the government, charge Americans double what you would pay in another country & mark up drugs sometimes at 1000% of the cost to produce. Who also pushed opioids on the American public & are responsible for the currant crisis killing Americans to make a profit.

Looks like these people are hero's to the Dog Fuker.

[khicks26]

Lol
How far will knicks go to defend another lie he has been caught in???

Pathological

I encourage anyone to research this topic
It won't take long

You know people would take you more serious if you didn't take the side of corporate interest every time.

You make yourself look like a trolley douchebag .

[Sanity Check]

The truth of the matter is that most drugs are developed in universities with funds coming from US tax payers. Yes that God Dam socialism. Then turned over to private interest. A Ghoul in a high rise has nothing to do with it.

Why you ask? Because the politicians are bought & paid for by the donors. Get the money out of politics. Every other developed country has socialize healthcare. Why doesn't the richest country in the world? Maybe we watch to many cartoons?

Bold: you might be right about that. It wouldn't surprise me although I can't say its something I've looked into...

The government in the past has used taxpayer dollars to fund US jobs being outsourced to china and other countries. I think they have also funded leftist programs like a greater participation rate of the satanist church in public after school programs. They fund all types of shady things including feminism, marches against toxic masculinity, pro transgenderism et al.

[khicks26]

Bold: you might be right about that. It wouldn't surprise me although I can't say its something I've looked into...

The government in the past has used taxpayer dollars to fund US jobs being outsourced to china and other countries. I think they have also funded leftist programs like a greater participation rate of the satanist church in public after school programs. They fund all types of things including feminism, marches against toxic masculinity, pro transgenderism et al.

You had me, until you said everything is the lefts fault.

[Sanity Check]

More than 60% of all pharma drugs are privately funded in the USA
Colleges do fund a small % of some as well as accept money from private companies for research


You are a pathological liar and everyone knows it

The only thing I remember about pharma research funding is they exaggerate how expensive it is by a significant margin.

The drug patent system and surrounding regulation give many drug makers something akin to state sanctioned monopolies in terms of foreign made generic drugs often being ineligible for US distribution due to the grounds of patent system fees and costs being obstructionist against the introduction of market competition which has the potential to decrease healthcare costs in the USA.

Some drug makers enjoy near to 30% profit margins and AFAIK Trump is the only person in office who publicly talks about reducing drug profits so make healthcare more affordable and available for everyone.

[khicks26]

The only thing I remember about pharma research funding is they exaggerate how expensive it is by a significant margin.

The drug patent system and surrounding regulation give many drug makers something akin to state sanctioned monopolies in terms of foreign made generic drugs often being ineligible for US distribution due to the grounds of patent system fees and costs being obstructionist against the introduction of market competition which has the potential to decrease healthcare costs in the USA.

Some drug makers enjoy near to 30% profit margins and AFAIK Trump is the only person in office who publicly talks about reducing drug profits so make healthcare more affordable and available for everyone.

All the more reason life saving drugs should not be in the hands of private interest. This is were your so called free market fails.

[Sanity Check]

You had me, until you said everything is the lefts fault.

I wouldn't say everything is the left's fault but looking @ events like Jussie Smollett, the rise of black lives matter, feminist movements etc it might be fair to say there is an agenda in play.

[Sanity Check]

All the more reason life saving drugs should not be in the hands of private interest. This is were your so called free market fails.

AFAIK what happened with US healthcare is... state regulation bars shopping for healthcare out of state and markets became heavily centralized and consolidated on a state-by-state basis.

We don't enjoy the benefits of free markets when state regulation conspires to create a system of state sanctioned monopolies propped up by their out of state healthcare shopping bans.

[khicks26]

AFAIK what happened with US healthcare is... state regulation bars shopping for healthcare out of state and markets became heavily centralized and consolidated on a state-by-state basis.

We don't enjoy the benefits of free markets when state regulation conspires to create a system of state sanctioned monopolies propped up by their out of state healthcare shopping bans.

Who lobbied for & got those policies? Big Pharma, which is owed by private interest.

[Sanity Check]

Who lobbied for & got those policies? Big Pharma, which is owed by private interest.

If the government legitimately wanted to fix healthcare, they could eliminate the legal restrictions preventing americans from shopping across state lines for healthcare in other states.

That would introduce market competition and force healthcare providers to lower costs to be more competitive.

The real problem is there has never been any genuine effort made to actually fix healthcare in the past 5+ decades. Its not a capitalism versus socialism thing. Both capitalism and socialism are complicit in healthcare being expensive and unaffordable and it is safe to say rather than being a silver bullet to end all healthcare woes, universal healthcare in foreign countries is also struggling to survive and stay solvent.

Generic Saul Alinsky commentary on healthcare could apply here.

[khicks26]

If the government legitimately wanted to fix healthcare, they could eliminate the legal restrictions preventing americans from shopping across state lines for healthcare in other states.

That would introduce market competition and force healthcare providers to lower costs to be more competitive.

The real problem is there has never been any genuine effort made to actually fix healthcare in the past 5+ decades. Its not a capitalism versus socialism thing. Both capitalism and socialism are complicit in healthcare being expensive and unaffordable and it is safe to say rather than being a silver bullet to end all healthcare woes, universal healthcare in foreign countries is also struggling to survive and stay solvent.

Generic Saul Alinsky commentary on healthcare could apply here.

Healthcare & Insurance are not the same thing. Insurance companies have found it not profitable to cross state lines & don't want to.

Human health should not be about making a profit. Medicare for all is cheaper because you take out the middle man (insurance profit making) out of the equation.

[maggiethebestdog]

You know people would take you more serious if you didn't take the side of corporate interest every time.

You make yourself look like a trolley douchebag .

Lol
Hilarious
So because I pointed out that you are 100% factually wrong about your lie about the way drug development is funded, that means I am taking the side of big pharma
???????????????????????
I simply stated the facts which show you are a liar
I didn't support anything except the truth

This could be the most delusional lying knicks thread ever, and that is saying quite a bit

[khicks26]

Lol
Hilarious
So because I pointed out that you are 100% factually wrong about your lie about the way drug development is funded, that means I am taking the side of big pharma
???????????????????????
I simply stated the facts which show you are a liar
I didn't support anything except the truth

This could be the most delusional lying knicks thread ever, and that is saying quite a bit

You didn't state facts, you stated what you believe to be true. Its not.


Your really just trolling me & trying to discredit me because I piss you off.

You do it every time. Like I said Fuk off Brooks.

[Sanity Check]

Healthcare & Insurance are not the same thing. Insurance companies have found it not profitable to cross state lines & don't want to.

Human health should not be about making a profit. Medicare for all is cheaper because you take out the middle man (insurance profit making) out of the equation.

I think under obamacare the federal government made it illegal for health insurance in one state to sell insurance to consumers in other states. There's nothing particularly relevent about that, the state has worked for decades to transform american healthcare into a crisis, mandating on a state by state basis is only the latest nail in the coffin.

Medicare for all is a natural disaster waiting to happen. Health insurance profit margins are around 4%, big pharma profit margins around 30% - 40%, medical equipment manufacturer profits around 20% or higher if I'm remembering right. Democrats want to "fix" healthcare in a way that maintains the 30% - 40% profit margins of big pharma and so health insurance ends up a poor scapegoat despite its profit margins only being 4% or so. Medicare for all will never work simply because democrats never address real reasons healthcare is expensive and unaffordable.