Movement Against Pelosi Is A Classic Circular Firing Squad

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The hashtag #FiveWhiteGuys nicely sums up what’s at work. The white guys in question are Reps. Seth Moulton of Massachusetts, Tim Ryan of Ohio, Ed Perlmutter of Colorado, Kurt Schrader of Oregon and Bill Foster of Illinois. They want a party that has more appeal to the middle.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/opinion-democrats-pelosi-house-speaker_us_5bf2b7d6e4b0b84243e44ffc

Anyone who closely follows House politics knows that Pelosi is the most skilled Democratic leader since Tip O’Neill, maybe even better. That’s why the Republicans keep demonizing her.

The anti-Pelosi movement is a mashup of opportunism on the part of a few wannabe leaders, such as Moulton and Ryan, combined with a dose of ageism, sexism and defensive tactical moves by a few Democrats who won in conservative districts.

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bring me that pelosi bitch.....




taggin' a seventy year old with fake is one item on my bucket list ive yet to check off.......

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progressives have Nancy Pelosi’s back

Progressive Democrats in the House and progressive activist groups aren’t just supporting House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi’s bid to become the next speaker of the House; they’re going so far as to talk about primarying those who oppose her.

https://www.vox.com/2018/11/21/18103338/nancy-pelosi-congressional-progressive-caucus-left

Groups like MoveOn, Daily Kos, and Indivisible are keeping a close eye on the list of 16 Democrats who recently released a letter saying they’ll vote against Pelosi.

Rep. Ro Khanna (D-CA) recently laid out to Vox a laundry list of items progressives want to see Pelosi put up for a vote: a $15 minimum wage, Medicare-for-all, and a green New Deal.

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Lose Lose for the American People.

[RoyBacon]

Bet Nancy when she was at 60%, she is at 78% today and still a good buy.

Dems have no one else to wheel out there. The avg person could not name a single other noteworthy Dem.

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Bet Nancy when she was at 60%, she is at 78% today and still a good buy.

Dems have no one else to wheel out there. The avg person could not name a single other noteworthy Dem.

Barbara Lee.

[RoyBacon]

Barbara Lee.

She's still alive? I was thinking a moderate not another old CA women.

[khicks26]

She's still alive? I was thinking a moderate not another old CA women.

Yea, you want the world to be moderate. She's still the only one to get the Iraq War right. Where were the moderates on that one?

[RoyBacon]

Yea, you want the world to be moderate. She's still the only one to get the Iraq War right. Where were the moderates on that one?

A broken clock is right 2x a day. She has always voted against everything militarily. She would vote no to fight if we had russian troops surround DC.

I'm ok with Dems veering left and shooting their feet off in the process. Dems really need a steady moderate leader to reign in the far left and make the party relevant.

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A broken clock is right 2x a day. She has always voted against everything militarily. She would vote no to fight if we had russian troops surround DC.

I'm ok with Dems veering left and shooting their feet off in the process. Dems really need a steady moderate leader to reign in the far left and make the party relevant.

NO, that's what you need & want. Nancy should be your girl.

[RoyBacon]

NO, that's what you need & want. Nancy should be your girl.

Well she is a moderate compared to many. I'm thinking more of a Joe Lieberman or Lloyd Benson type.

[khicks26]

Well she is a moderate compared to many. I'm thinking more of a Joe Lieberman or Lloyd Benson type.

She's a Corporate Schill, should make you happy.

[RoyBacon]

She's a Corporate Schill, should make you happy.

Don't recall her voting for the tax cut or on anything that helps the economy but I'll take your word.(no need for a prop vid)

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Don't recall her voting for the tax cut or on anything that helps the economy but I'll take your word.(no need for a prop vid)

Didn't see her try to stop them. She also won't do anything to repeal them. Your kind of Schill.

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Didn't see her try to stop them. She also won't do anything to repeal them. Your kind of Schill.

No one is for repealing tax cuts even antifags.

Kind of strange I'm for a strong economy and you see that as bad.

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No one is for repealing tax cuts even antifags.

Kind of strange I'm for a strong economy and you see that as bad.

Like I said. Nancy is your girl. What are you bitching about?

[RoyBacon]

Like I said. Nancy is your girl. What are you bitching about?

Don't see anyone bitching. With Dems completely devoid of leadership she'll do. She's up to 96% currently so she's in. I thought Dems hated old white folks? Guess not.

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Don't see anyone bitching. With Dems completely devoid of leadership she'll do. She's up to 96% currently so she's in. I thought Dems hated old white folks? Guess not.

But voting for Democrats is not a solution to anything. At best, it is an important effort to hold the line, to fight so that it doesn’t get worse. But that act of “I voted for Democrats” only take us so far. The rot in the American political system was not created by Donald Trump. He is a product of that system, a beneficiary of that system. If we are always put on the hamster wheel of U.S. electoral politics, nothing is ever going to fundamentally change in this system.https://theintercept.com/2018/11/07/...erican-system/

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JS: Is there a difference in your view between the Democratic and Republican parties given everything we’re seeing now in the era of Trump?

CH: Well, of course, there’s a difference. It’s how you want corporate fascism delivered to you. Do you want it delivered by a Princeton educated, Goldman Sachs criminal or do you want it delivered by racist, nativist, Christian fascist? When this is essentially what the Trump Administration, this is the ideology that the Trump Administration has embraced because Trump has no ideology. So, they’re filling his ideological void.

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But voting for Democrats is not a solution to anything. At best, it is an important effort to hold the line, to fight so that it doesn’t get worse. But that act of “I voted for Democrats” only take us so far. The rot in the American political system was not created by Donald Trump. He is a product of that system, a beneficiary of that system. If we are always put on the hamster wheel of U.S. electoral politics, nothing is ever going to fundamentally change in this system.https://theintercept.com/2018/11/07/...erican-system/

The guy who wrote your propaganda is, I'll copy it from the article;
He’s currently a columnist at Truthdig, he hosts a show on Russian television on RT America.

Hickys, as the song says "But if you go carrying pictures of chairman Mao
You ain't going to make it with anyone anyhow". Let's keep the communist propaganda to a minimum.

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The guy who wrote your propaganda is, I'll copy it from the article;
He’s currently a columnist at Truthdig, he hosts a show on Russian television on RT America.

Hickys, as the song says "But if you go carrying pictures of chairman Mao
You ain't going to make it with anyone anyhow". Let's keep the communist propaganda to a minimum.

OH NO its Red Scare Roy. Maybe the Russians did help Trump win. LOL

But you know, and you’ve reported on this, the fundamental engines of oligarchic global corporate power are advanced by both parties and one attempts to present that in a kind of multicultural, inclusive way. The other is, you know, it kind of embraced by troglodytes. But there’s no way within the American political system you can in any way tame or challenge the war machine or Goldman Sachs or ExxonMobil.
The Democrats’ assault on civil liberties under Barack Obama again, as you know well, were worse than under George W. Bush. The expansion of drone warfare, which again you reported on, was all under the Obama Administration. The reinterpretation of the 2002 Authorization to Use Military Force Act was interpreted by the Obama White House to give them the right to assassinate American citizens Anwar al-Awlaki, and his 16-year-old son. It was his daughter also was killed right? It’s that old book, was written 30 years ago, you know, friendly fascism. It’s how you want it served up.
And the press, of course, the commercial press has a vested interest in doing this but we’ve personalized the problem in Trump without realizing that Trump is the product of a failed democracy. Trump is what rises up from the bowels of a decayed and degenerate system. And you can get rid of Trump, but you’re not going to get rid of what the sociologist Émile Durkheim called that anomie that propels societies to engage in deeply self-destructive behavior.Whether that’s the opioid crisis, and my latest book is called “America, the Farewell Tour,” but it looks at these pathologies. What sociologists call diseases of despair and argues that until those social bonds are reknit, until that anomie is confronted, not only are things not going to get better but especially as we are now on the cusp of another financial breakdown, they’re going to get worse.

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Now, the radical movements have been eviscerated and destroyed in the United States. And we had very, as you know, very militant radical movements, especially on the eve of World War I: the old anarchist movements, the Wobblies, great figures, Mother Jones, Big Bill Haywood.

So, the radical movements were destroyed and then this was accelerated, of course in the 1950s. And many, Ellen Schrecker has written a couple good books on this and I didn’t understand the extent of it till I read Schrecker. So, you had the FBI going into high schools with lists of teachers with no evidence. Most of these people weren’t even communist, but they were progressives. And getting them fired and then they were blacklisted. They could never teach again.

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CH: The purging of American society of anyone with a social conscience went quite deep. Then you saw the 1960s, but in the 1960s, labor was divorced from the radical movements, which was fatal. Then the corporatist really made a huge push, the 1971 Powell memo. And so, in their myopia, the capitalist class destroyed not just the radical movements but eviscerated the liberal institutions which created a kind of equilibrium within the capitalist system that offered an ability to address the most egregious problems.

And this is now where we’ve ended up, in the greatest income inequality in American history, the seizure of power by, and they’re not even traditional capitalist, they don’t make anything. They’re all speculators, global speculators. That’s what Goldman Sachs does. They’ve seized control of our economy and most economies. The breakdown that we experience has been bipartisan. Clinton was, of course, the poster child for this. Clinton understood that if he did corporate bidding, he would get corporate money. And of course, by the 1990s, fundraising parity with the Republicans was equal. And when Barack Obama first ran 2008, he got more.

So, we’ve got to look at the structural issues. I mean, I find Trump as repugnant and repulsive as everyone else. But our problem is not embodied in the personality of Donald Trump.

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CH: It’s causation. What caused it? And what caused it was the decision by the Democratic Party to sell out working men and women. So that’s why the Democratic Party runs so close to the margins in every election. I mean, Trump should not be a political figure who mounts a credible challenge to a party that truly represents the interests of working men and women. But Pelosi, Schumer, they’re all tethered to Wall Street and they won’t address the fundamental issue, which is social inequality.

And because they won’t address it, they play to the margins and that’s a very dangerous game. Especially as we are, and even The New York Times ran an editorial a couple weeks — we are definitely headed for, their polite term is an adjustment. We’re headed for probably a crash that will be as large as the 2008 crash from everything I can tell.

And then what happens? Then the monsters really come out. I saw it in Yugoslavia.

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The only way a knicks post has the most basic elements of the English language is when he does a copy and paste

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The only way a knicks post has the most basic elements of the English language is when he does a copy and paste

Clinton as they transformed the Democratic Party into the Republican Party and pushed the Republican Party so far to the right it became insane.

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Maggie + Dwight + Roy = Massive Schill. LOL

The Democratic Party if it truly addressed social inequality in a real way, the way Bernie Sanders— I mean the thing about Sanders and Trump, although Trump is a con artist, is that they both spoke about the reality that most Americans experience. And yet if you turn on CNN, they will tell you the economy is booming. Well, booming for whom? I mean the overheated stock market is not a sign of financial health. Go back and read John Kenneth Galbraith’s book “The Crash.”

So, I mean, stock values are no longer in any way real way related to the values of companies. We’ve pumped out $26 trillion in fabricated money and handed it to the banks. I mean we could have paid for college tuition, provided universal health care for all, created, you know, a few million jobs and infrastructure projects, which is of course what Roosevelt did with the Depression. And so, these structural issues, which are never addressed by the commercial corporate media because they are completely owned and run by corporations like General Electric, are the real issues.

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It would be hard enough to believe that anyone would be dumb enough to even read what this retard says about anything much less copy and paste it to a forum to try and make a point

But it is knicks, an illiterate loser who has never thought for himself his entire life

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It would be hard enough to believe that anyone would be dumb enough to even read what this retard says about anything much less copy and paste it to a forum to try and make a point

But it is knicks, an illiterate loser who has never thought for himself his entire life

It does have you working overtime, Schill. Carry on deflecting douche Bag. I'm sure you will make more people want to read it. Just thinking for myself.

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JS: I find it fascinating that when Bush was president you heard a lot of talk about the kind of theocratic nature of that administration. I think you could very effectively argue that theocratic, right-wing, Christian fascists, this is their Golden Era right now.

Jeff Sessions: I would cite you to the Apostle Paul and his clear and wise command in Romans 13 to obey the laws of the government because God has ordained the government for his purposes.

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CH:

In the same way that Trump prayed on the despair of people within his casinos. People raise the issue well, how can the Christian right build an alliance with Trump? And I would argue that in fact, they’re completely alike. They’re con artists. They manipulate the misery and despair of others. They perpetuate a form of magical thinking, magic Jesus. They attack reality-based science and reality-based news. This all comes out of the — all predates Trump. They are a fascism, as Paxton writes in the “Anatomy of Fascism,” it always comes draped in familiar even comforting iconography and language.

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CH: Yeah, that’s true. You know, rhetoric is important. So, we’re watching Trump incite violence because none of his policies have any support. His tax cuts don’t have support, his assault on Obamacare, his refusal to raise the minimum wage. None of this has any. All he has is hate and that’s the only weapon he’ll use. And I look at this attempt to decapitate, in essence, murder the Democratic leadership through these pipe bombs as very, very ominous because I saw it in Yugoslavia. And not only will this continue and expand, but ultimately it will be successful.

And that’s the only language they have because they’re not a majoritarian movement. Even the Nazis were never a majoritarian movement. I think the highest percentage of votes they got was about 43 percent and it was a declining after that.