OBAMA: The most arrogant/divisive president...ever

[DwightShrute]

Was you're New Year's resolution to become even dumber than you were in 2016?


Abe you're getting fukkin owned here by greaser.

You have babbled on and on about nothing, and Grease asked you one simple question & you still can't answer it.

For someone who doesn't like being judged, you sure offer alot of inane material to be judged by.

you have a lot (no such word as alot) of hate in your heart.


why are you quoting my posts and addressing Abe?

weird

[ABEHONEST]

you have a lot (no such word as alot) of hate in your heart.

why are you quoting my posts and addressing Abe?

weird

No sweat, pal, we have them by the balls and they cannot escape the grasp.

[DwightShrute]

No sweat, pal, we have them by the balls and they cannot escape the grasp.

guys like Jayvegas amuse me.

Kinda ironic him calling me dumb while literally saying ....Was you are New Year's resolution to become even dumber than you were in 2016?

It's like talking to a caveman.

[chico2663]

Chico Reagan took Kennedy's tax and passed it through both a democratic House and Senate. That in itself was amazing. John F Kennedy was a great moderate Democrat that Reagan admitted to copying.

Obama loves to say when he took office he had to save us from the Bush days. But that was childs play to what Reagan inherited. The US was well past the brink of collapse. With interest rates at 18% coupled with a soaring unemployment rate of 11% Reagan marched the Kennedy tax plan through. And like today, oddly enough, markets and sentiment began to change. Reagan cut personal taxes 25% across the board.

This is how economist Stephen Moore of the Cato Institute, a libertarian think tank, described the Reagan tax plan;

No act in the last quarter century had a more profound impact on the U.S. economy of the eighties and nineties than the Reagan tax cut of 1981." He argued that Reagan's tax cuts, combined with an emphasis on federal monetary policy, deregulation, and expansion of free trade created a sustained economic expansion, the greatest American sustained wave of prosperity ever. He also claims that the American economy grew by more than a third in size, producing a $15 trillion increase in American wealth. Consumer and investor confidence soared. Cutting federal income taxes, cutting the U.S. government spending budget, cutting useless programs, scaling down the government work force, maintaining low interest rates, and keeping a watchful inflation hedge on the monetary supply was Ronald Reagan's formula for a successful economic turnaround.

Roy you understand the only reason that reagan didn't screw up as bad as carter was that he took the social security from 1.5 to 6.75. Which means it is 13.5 and he started using that in the regular budget. Also before Reagan social security wasn't taxable. I don't need a think tank to tell me because I lived during that time. That extra money was from social security not from his great achievements. But then again you were probably not paying taxes so you have no clue. But like obama; Carter had a congress that refused to work with him. In his autobiography which I read in the 80's; It stated that Reagan couldn't understand how that trickle down economics worked. So anybody can write something they weren't alive for. Or trying to pull the wool over sheeps eyes that don't understand economics.https://mises.org/library/sad-legacy-ronald-reagan-0

[chico2663]

Before looking at taxation under Reagan, we must note that spending is the better indicator of the size of the government. If government cuts taxes, but not spending, it still gets the money from somewhere—either by borrowing or inflating. Either method robs the productive sector. Although spending is the better indicator, it is not complete, because it ignores other ways in which the government deprives producers of wealth. For instance, it conceals regulation and trade restricdons, which may require little government outlay.
If we look at government revenues as a percentage of "national income," we find little change from the Carter days, despite heralded "tax cuts." In 1980, revenues were 25.1% of "national income." In the first quarter of 1988 they were 24.7%.
Reagan came into office proposing to cut personal income and business taxes. The Economic Recovery Act was supposed to reduce revenues by $749 billion over five years. But this was quickly reversed with the Tax Equity and Fiscal Responsibility Act of 1982. TEFRA—the largest tax increase in American history—was designed to raise $214.1 billion over five years, and took back many of the business tax savings enacted the year before. It also imposed withholding on interest and dividends, a provision later repealed over the president's objection.
But this was just the beginning. In 1982 Reagan supported a five-cent-per-gallon gasoline tax and higher taxes on the trucking industry. Total increase: $5.5 billion a year. In 1983, on the recommendation of his Spcial Security Commission— chaired by the man he later made Fed chairman, Alan Green-span—Reagan called for, and received, Social Security tax increases of $165 billion over seven years. A year later came Reagan's Deficit Reduction Act to raise $50 billion.
Even the heralded Tax Reform Act of 1986 is more deception than substance. It shifted $120 billion over five years from visible personal income taxes to hidden business taxes. It lowered the rates, but it also repealed or reduced many deductions.
According to the Treasury Department, the 1981 tax cut will have reduced revenues by $1.48 trillion by the end of fiscal 1989. But tax increases since 1982 will equal $1.5 trillion by 1989. The increases include not only the formal legislation mentioned above but also bracket creep (which ended in 1985 when tax indexing took effect—a provision of the 1981 act despite Reagan's objection), $30 billion in various tax changes, and other increases. Taxes by the end of the Reagan era will be as large a chunk of GNP as when he took office, if not larger: 19.4%, by ultra-conservative estimate of the Reagan Office of Management and Budget. The so-called historic average is 18.3%.

[chico2663]

Regulation
For all the administration's talk about deregulation (for example, from the know-nothing commission which George Bush headed), it has done little. Much of what has been done began under Carter, such as abolition of the Civil Aeronautics Board and deregulation of oil prices. Carter created the momentum and Reagan halted it. In fact, the economic costs of regulation have grown under Reagan.
Some deregulation has occurred for banks, intercity buses, ocean shipping, and energy. But nothing good has happened in health, safety, and environmental regulations, which cost Americans billions of dollars, ignore property rights, and are based on the spurious notion of "freedom from risk." But the Reagan administration has supported state seat-belt and federal air-bag requirements. This concern for safety, however, was never extended to the Corporate Average Fuel Economy (CAFE) rules, which, by imposing fuel-efficiency standards, promote the production of small cars. The shift to small cars will cause an estimated 10,000 to 20,000 highway deaths over the next ten years.

[ABEHONEST]

guys like Jayvegas amuse me.

Kinda ironic him calling me dumb while literally saying ....Was you are New Year's resolution to become even dumber than you were in 2016?

It's like talking to a caveman.

I know. That's why I try to remain anonymous so I won't run into these tough old guys while I walk the streets of Laredo.

[chico2663]

Reagan's fans argue that he has changed the terms of public-policy debate, that no one today dares propose big spending programs. I contend that the alleged spending-shyness of politicians is not the result of an ideological sea-change, but rather of their constituents' fiscal fright brought about by $250 billion Reagan budget deficits. If the deficit ever shrinks, the demand for spending will resume.
This is the Reagan legacy. He was to be the man who would turn things around. But he didn't even try. As he so dramatically illustrated when he accepted the plant-closing bill, there has been no sea-change in thinking about the role of government.
He was so great that he had a 250 billion budget deficit. So where did trickle down economics work. BECAUSE THEY TOOK IT FROM SOCIAL SECURITY! They had a surplus of money taken in over the years and Reagan was the first to borrow from it.

[chico2663]

I know. That's why I try to remain anonymous so I won't run into these tough old guys while I walk the streets of Laredo.

Yes it will keep your ass healthy.

[ABEHONEST]

Chico, you have to wonder why president Reagan is called the greatest president we ever had? I can't say that because I never met Lincoln or Washington.

[ABEHONEST]

Yes it will keep your ass healthy.

Are you saying you don't lick me? Why do you not lick me?

[RoyBacon]

Chico Reagan was a great president who brought us out of the worse recession since the depression. But he wasn't God. Some of those nit picking things you referenced miss the mark.

Reagan rallied democrats who controlled congress to support the tax cuts. They worked. Can you even imagine 18% interest rates? 11% unemployment? and 12% inflation? You can nik pick that oh he taxed social security or whatever. The facts are he turned the US from a pathetic country teetering on complete collapse into a prosperous economic superpower. And that my friend is what we will attempt to do - again.

[chico2663]

Chico Reagan was a great president who brought us out of the worse recession since the depression. But he wasn't God. Some of those nit picking things you referenced miss the mark.

Reagan rallied democrats who controlled congress to support the tax cuts. They worked. Can you even imagine 18% interest rates? 11% unemployment? and 12% inflation? You can nik pick that oh he taxed social security or whatever. The facts are he turned the US from a pathetic country teetering on complete collapse into a prosperous economic superpower. And that my friend is what we will attempt to do - again.

You are smart enough to understand what a 270 billion budget deficit means? Just because you are following the mantra doesn't make it right. Reagan was great for the corps because he allowed monopolies. You understand competition and what that does to prices. You understand before Reagan a family could be raised on one income but after not so much?

[Jayvegas420]

Well Abe, you are entitled to your opinion, however I cannot argue with people like you.
Your arguments are not founded on nor based on actual logic or facts.

You watch the same videos I watch. You know white cops kill blacks with impunity.

No one can argue that fact.

But the fact is, you can't blame these social injustices on the President.

When something terrible happens after Trump is sworn in I doubt you'll be blaming him. Rather, you will search for any loophole to vindicate him.

Just like you probably have an excuse for Bush and how 911 wasn't his fault.

Guys like you preach the gospel, " obey the law, don't talk back and respect officers."
Meanwhile, your posts leave me with the impression that if you wee ever detained by an officer you'd act like a belligerent, opinionated smart ass.
If you weren't afforded the luxuries of white privilege, youd be murdered at your next roadside stop.
And to answer your original question, I did not and do not disagree that the president is divisive and arrogant. I was trying to make the point that for somebody who came into my Vegas thread and complained about how he was being judged unfairly, you seem to provide a lot of evidence to the contrary.

It has been my general experience that when someone tries to tell you that you are being judgmental and that you are judging them unfairly..... You are usually judging them fairly

[Jayvegas420]

you have a lot (no such word as alot) of hate in your heart.


why are you quoting my posts and addressing Abe?

weird

If you can't seperate two different thoughts, you are slightly dimmer than I originally thought.
Don't misunderstand hatred with my frustration at your stupidity.

[chico2663]

[chico2663]

Funny I don't see Reagan at the top. He is the greatest among screwing the little man

[Jayvegas420]

I know. That's why I try to remain anonymous so I won't run into these tough old guys while I walk the streets of Laredo.

I doubt that's truly why you try to remain anonymous.

[Jayvegas420]

Dwight....

I know it can get confusing so...


this post is for you..

When you are ready to stop playing the grammar police and start posting some legitimate opinions and thoughts, let me know.

[Jayvegas420]

Just another poll.

We know how that worked out last year.

[chico2663]

If you can't seperate two different thoughts, you are slightly dimmer than I originally thought.
Don't misunderstand hatred with my frustration at your stupidity.

It is like trying to talk tol a 4 year old. But at least Dwight doesn't live here so he doesn't know the customs. Brooks and Abe are just stupid posters who need to get out of their mothers basement. But in abe's defense; you aren't allowed to build a basement in texas. So I assume he is in the shed.

[chico2663]

Just another poll.

We know how that worked out last year.

Difference this are people that it is in their sphere of work. It isn't the public. We know the uneducated don't know things. All you have to do is listen to sbr's village idiot (brooks). But this is people that this is their job.

[chico2663]

Chico Reagan was a great president who brought us out of the worse recession since the depression. But he wasn't God. Some of those nit picking things you referenced miss the mark.

Reagan rallied democrats who controlled congress to support the tax cuts. They worked. Can you even imagine 18% interest rates? 11% unemployment? and 12% inflation? You can nik pick that oh he taxed social security or whatever. The facts are he turned the US from a pathetic country teetering on complete collapse into a prosperous economic superpower. And that my friend is what we will attempt to do - again.

Yes, because I was a working man during the Reagan years. He was the first president I ever voted for

[DwightShrute]

Dwight....

I know it can get confusing so...


this post is for you..

When you are ready to stop playing the grammar police and start posting some legitimate opinions and thoughts, let me know.

I wouldn't say anything normally about how the public school system has obviously failed you so, but you are the one calling someone dumb while in the same post are unable to use grade 5 grammar.

I am used to you constant personal attacks and its boring.

[ABEHONEST]

Well Abe, you are entitled to your opinion, however I cannot argue with people like you.
Your arguments are not founded on nor based on actual logic or facts.

You watch the same videos I watch. You know white cops kill blacks with impunity.

No one can argue that fact.

But the fact is, you can't blame these social injustices on the President.

When something terrible happens after Trump is sworn in I doubt you'll be blaming him. Rather, you will search for any loophole to vindicate him.

Just like you probably have an excuse for Bush and how 911 wasn't his fault.

Guys like you preach the gospel, " obey the law, don't talk back and respect officers."
Meanwhile, your posts leave me with the impression that if you wee ever detained by an officer you'd act like a belligerent, opinionated smart ass.
If you weren't afforded the luxuries of white privilege, youd be murdered at your next roadside stop.
And to answer your original question, I did not and do not disagree that the president is divisive and arrogant. I was trying to make the point that for somebody who came into my Vegas thread and complained about how he was being judged unfairly, you seem to provide a lot of evidence to the contrary.

It has been my general experience that when someone tries to tell you that you are being judgmental and that you are judging them unfairly..... You are usually judging them fairly

Hmm, well, at least you put it some words making a little more sense. However, I DO believe, as most intelligent white people believe, the Big O, is responsible at a high percentage for black citizens rebelling in a dangerous manner, when confronted with a police officer.Those mathematics do not lie! Look at your killings taken place the last 4 years. Cops killing more blacks because many do not comply with the law, leading the situation to a highly dangerous level. Cops being murdered in a cowardly way, now. Just who is the Commander In Chief?

The man at the top who can and will, influence millions of Americans who trust his guidance.
He failed his chosen people miserably. Now, that's a mathematical fact.

Check the stats on policemen/blacks killings the past 4 years. He was born in Chicago, yet do you see any positive there from Big O?

[DwightShrute]

If you can't seperate two different thoughts, you are slightly dimmer than I originally thought.
Don't misunderstand hatred with my frustration at your stupidity.

so much hate in your heart. Sad.

[ABEHONEST]

Just another poll.

We know how that worked out last year.

Gosh darn it! No Obama.

[chico2663]

I wouldn't say anything normally about how the public school system has obviously failed you so, but you are the one calling someone dumb while in the same post are unable to use grade 5 grammar.

I am used to you constant personal attacks and its boring.

Unbelievable that you are giving him shit but don't know that you constantly use run on sentences. I never give anyone shit on spelling or diction . Most guys that do were usually in the band.But here you go for future reference.

A run-on is a sentence in which two or more independent clauses (i.e., completesentences) are joined without an appropriate punctuation or conjunction. For example: It is nearly half past five we cannot reach town before dark.

[chico2663]

[QUOTE=DwightShrute;26689019]I wouldn't say anything normally about how the public school system has obviously failed you so. You can't use 5th grade grammar yet are calling others dumb.

Fixed it.

[DwightShrute]

Unbelievable that you are giving him shit but don't know that you constantly use run on sentences. I never give anyone shit on spelling or diction . Most guys that do were usually in the band.But here you go for future reference.

A run-on is a sentence in which two or more independent clauses (i.e., completesentences) are joined without an appropriate punctuation or conjunction. For example: It is nearly half past five we cannot reach town before dark.

wrong as usual. He attacked me with childish insults calling me dumb while misspelling words like a lot and your. Its ironic and funny. He wanted a fight and buried himself. Much like you are doing right now. You two should date.

[chico2663]

wrong as usual. He attacked me with childish insults calling me dumb while misspelling words like a lot and your. Its ironic and funny. He wanted a fight and buried himself. Much like you are doing right now. You two should date.

I'm just talking about how you are giving him shit about his diction. But are doing the same. Both are mistakes . I could care less but you always seem to want to hammer me. Thought you would enjoy the same.

[RoyBacon]

Am I ..."smart enough to understand what a $270 billion dollar budget deficit means" ??? Chico please tell me you fell and hit your head!! Obama is racking that much up every 6 months of his presidency!!! With zippp-O results.

Chico you can find tidbits to try to base a contrary argument. But what you can not deny is the massive tax cuts pulled a country teetering on the brink of collapse into the greatest prosperity in modern US history. And did it with a democratic congress. He also won reelection in states like California, New York and every state except Minn, which was lost by 3k votes. So in the unimportant tidbit category research if any other president has won 49 states.

[DwightShrute]

[grease lightnin]

Well, back to personal slandering, are we?
You deserve no answer further than what I already stated on this thread. You are one of those wiseguy rebels who judges people in a negative personal way so to feel better about yourself. Not actually debating why Obama is not what I see but switching to the same dumb pattern of personal jabs.
Hey, I've seen hundreds like you, especially on the web, and I never saw but a few that impressed me. You're not one of them.
We're done now so move along get personal with another member that will trade posts with you.

Sorry, Abe. I call em like I see em. Still no facts.


And no facts from you either Brooks. Surprise surprise.

[ABEHONEST]

This guy is quite another judge of character, too.
This from old pal Vegasguy:

Guys like you preach the gospel, " obey the law, don't talk back and respect officers."
Meanwhile, your posts leave me with the impression that if you wee ever detained by an officer you'd act like a belligerent, opinionated smart ass.
If you weren't afforded the luxuries of white privilege, youd be murdered at your next roadside stop.
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You're making quite a judgment there, Mr Jay. Sorry to disappoint your insinuations, but, I do obey the rules and highly respect the police force of america. They are just like other working people in our grand old USA, cept,' some, may come back home to their families, but many go to the second home more often nowadays. The morgue, being their second home, or new residence so often in our new lawless america.

So, I am confused here? You don't disagree about Obama, yet, you think I should be ok with being called names and not debate or dismiss any personal insulting behavior?
Which is it?

And I submitted some interesting math above and neither of the two rebels here have offered a different opinion.

Well, forget one. Greasy Kid Stuff, I've seen enough.