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[quote=jjgold;5683305]I win again like usual
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[quote=Whippit;7921056]miami won't lose a single eastern conference game through end of season[/quote]Comment -
Hawley, how do we find out what the hole cards for PO and mih?
Carry on with the investigation. My initial conclusion is to agree with Milwaukee Mike. Assuming mih was not in on it, and there is no allegations he is, then I see the play as a poorly played hand and nothing more. It could be PO was trying to buy the pot and thought the short stacked player would fold and did not want to commit an additional 1100 points to the pot. IF PO indeed had a strong hand then SBR could and probably should issue him a warning to play the game as a gentleman or risk having his privileges suspended. If PO had something less than a strong hand it seems to me this is a non event, pending your review.Comment -
The important question here is this: Did PO69 say he was going to do his best to keep TTWarrior away from the final table BEFORE or AFTER this particular hand?
Because if it was before, this would have been an obvious attempt to do that. Nobody in the world is folding to a reraise in that spot right there.Comment -
doesnt matter what his whole cards were, you don't raise that and then fold for 1 k more with 21 k in chips and then say your folding to keep that player inComment -
this is online sbr poker, not a casino cash gameComment -
John, anyone with half a brain calls there with 22k chips behind them in that situation for 1000 chips more, ANYONE........With ANY 2 cards
And then he said in chat he folded just because ttwarrior was next in line for the big blind and didn't want him to advance
If that is fine with SBR, to play bad on purpose to screw over others you don't like than that's what it is.....But to suggest that PO just played the hand poorly is dead wrong
Anyone else here?Comment -
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MoneyLine and TT please PM me your arugments.Comment -
Will send it before midnight EST
Hawley call meComment -
pos69 left his animals to die in a hurricane...do you really think he gives a shit about dicking you over on sbrpoker? why dont 2 large boned hamburgers play h2h somewhere for real money...Comment -
unwritten rules? a ban?
this is just like the Cole Hamels situation
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Let's look at the real issue here.
PO got ttwarrior out of a tournament, possibly allowing him more spare time to exercise, which potentially could save him from a life threatening heart attack in his 40s.
So I see this move as heroic. We should all thank him for this generous effort.Comment -
Also worth noting is the fact that if you don't piss people off enough that they will sacrifice chips to get you out, then this kind of thing is probably much less likely to happen
This whole situation is like 3rd grade, with immature behavior all around. Po not "playing like a gentleman" as sbrjohn calls it, then bragging about his behavior, and then tt whining and tattletaling.Comment -
Yeah, it is well known that being well liked at the poker table is beneficial to tounament play because people lay down to you more often and don't go for your throat when you are low in chips.
Also worth noting is the fact that if you don't piss people off enough that they will sacrifice chips to get you out, then this kind of thing is probably much less likely to happen
This whole situation is like 3rd grade, with immature behavior all around. Po not "playing like a gentleman" as sbrjohn calls it, then bragging about his behavior, and then tt whining and tattletaling.Comment -
this has absolutely nothing to do with me. Leave me out of it. He colluded whether he intentionally or unintensionally did it or not.Comment -
Shut up.Comment -
ARRIOR would ha
He does this shit all of the time. Guys my hand was 5-7 offsuit. The rguy who reraised was playing really tight and he went in over the top I knew that he had me beat. Had I called THEN TITYW would have made athread about how I colluded and gave him chips with nothing!!!
I didnt know this poster before this hand and I still dont know him or where he ended up finishing. I can say this that he said that he had pocket 9's at some point I believe so had I called then he would have just had more chips.
As usual titywarrior has to call the police and his mom when someone calls him fatty! Deal with it kid! You were out the next hand anyway!
And I never said shit about titywarrior being at the table before this hand. He actually wasnt at my table for very long before this handComment -
He did not collude. The other player was not in on it. He did however play his chips to keep a certain player from making the final table.
that is not illegal as far I I know???Comment -
what does it matter that your hand was 5 7 offsuit???
Not only that, he is admitting to colluding
You raised with almost 22 k in chips, he went all in for little over 1 k more and you folded
Simple stuff folksComment -
tt relax pal we are on top of it.
John assigned me to investigating this for a good reason. the SBR fraud detection squad simply is the best.
We will get to the bottom of this.
lets clear something up. you are aware collusion requires the involvement of at least two parties? Collusion will not occur if only one party is in on something.Comment -
Youre making it seem like he was motivated by the situation, to make a move that would not benefit another player.
Did he fold a bad hand and realize that this improved another players position while hurting another's?
Aren't these all things we do when we play poker. Isn't it the goal?
Did he type things before or after the fact that lead you to believe he was colluding with the short stack? No I don't think so.
You can't unintentionally collude by the way. The phrase itself doesn't actually make any sense.
When we start deciding what motivates players to play the way they play we'd better be very certain we can prove it.
In back rooms & PM's is also not how I would conduct these types of issues so, I don't know what all the secrecy is all about BTW.Comment -
Jayv please get in touch with me immediately I want you on board for the remainder of this investigation.
TT please highlight the rules you think PO69 has broken hereComment -
I dont think I have PM privileges.
I wasn't even playing in that tournament.
I only know what I know from reading this same thread you have read.Comment -
I just saw this here (this was pulled from a poker forum thread)... COUPLE THINGS:Originally Posted by BiTeMe UsAdOj
Yes... PO knows... he's just compounding his BS by more BS.
It was clear by your own words (PO) WHY you "chose to fold"... and it had nothing to do with the all-in raise (for just ~1k more after you had already raised to 2.4k).
It was b/c of THIS:
playersonly69: i just dont want titywarrior making the final table
playersonly69: i am going to fold here so he doesnt make it
downsouth: Wow
ttwarrior1: who cares
BiTeMeUsAdOj: that was dumb
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Here's the HH. Your nonsense obviously affected everyone in tourney, not just tt.
***** Hand history (v1.2) ***** Hand ID 1728930 $0 + $11 Texas Hold'em (No Limit) - 00:25:00 09/05/2012 ET Table 'Table 28339', 10 seats max, Real money Seat 1 is the button. Small Blind $0, Big Blind $800 Note: seat IDs range from 1 to 10 Seat 1 (playing) : mih847, amount $3630, amount bet $0, penalty (None) Seat 5 (playing) : downsouth, amount $3676, amount bet $0, penalty (None) Seat 6 (playing) : BiTeMeUsAdOj, amount $10100, amount bet $0, penalty (None) Seat 7 (playing) : ttwarrior1, amount $2190, amount bet $0, penalty (None) Seat 9 (playing) : playersonly69, amount $21270, amount bet $0, penalty (None) downsouth: Big Blind ($800)
** Dealing Down Cards ** Dealt to BiTeMeUsAdOj: [6c, 6h] BiTeMeUsAdOj: Call. ($800) ttwarrior1: Fold. ($0)
playersonly69: Raise. ($2400) mih847: Raise. ($3580) downsouth: Fold. ($0) BiTeMeUsAdOj: Fold. ($0) playersonly69: Fold. ($0) ** End Round ** ** Evaluate ** mih847: Muck ($0) ** Showdown ** Main pot $7830, Rake $0 Summary mih847: bet $3580, won $7830, net $4250, won $7830 from main pot
WOW.....PO had 21,000 chips and folded to the 1k raise? And then said just because he didn't want tt to advance???
He should be banned from SBR Poker.....Or atleast suspended for a few weeks......That is BS!
First off.. attribution is always important.
This is a MoneyLineDawg post commenting on a post by me; I did not write the following, MLD did:
WOW.....PO had 21,000 chips and folded to the 1k raise? And then said just because he didn't want tt to advance???
He should be banned from SBR Poker.....Or atleast suspended for a few weeks......That is BS!
I would appreciate in the future, tt, if you would attribute a post to its proper author.
THANK YOU.
Now, having said that, I restate what I said from the beginning: What PO did here was indeed bullshit and wrong on a number of levels; anyone thinking that doing what PO did* would not get you consequences of some sort at Full Tilt, Pokerstars, etc then, well, you're clueless... as PO's play affected EVERYONE in the tournament. If you don't understand that, well, I could explain it to you but I'd rather not and just suggest you edify/educate yourself.
Consequently, make no mistake... a site like Pokerstars would address it.
(the actual consequence is debatable)
*(clear evidence of poker action coupled with stated chat reason)Comment -
Doesnt he have the right to make make that move if say they were the only three left & PO decided he'd rather play short stack heads up rather than play tt heads up? (considering perhaps tt was the better player)
Instead of being considered spiteful or BULLSH|T, could it not be construed as strategy now?Comment -
Biteme. I need to talk to youComment -
Look at the bright side Titty... Considering this is the guy who bragged about losing a medical license in Mexico for killing a couple patients and abandoned his dogs in Katrina (couldn't even provide the curiosity of Romney style ride in crate tied to the top of his car), your grievance against him seems relatively minor...
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