Should SBR Reduce Rollover??

[Optional]

I don't believe SBR is desperate to claw back poker points in rake btw.

I think SBR is happy to invest those points into poker if it works to generate activity and grow poker.

So we can think about rake reduction if it helps the equations. We dont need to make rake earnings a vital component.





People starting threads bitching because a 3x rollover is too high and SBR should make it even easier to mine poker points with no need for the player to give back to poker is only going to make admin think the points spent here are an even bigger waste than it feels now btw (OP and Bobby)

[Triple_D_Bet]

I think a few of those ideas might be victim of your last paragraph.

I don't think changing buyins to work with poker points would be trivial.

Poker point only tables may be doable but not sure.

And I get why you think 12 prizes for 30-40 entries is not really poker, but these daily tournies are more the driver to get people playing and producing the poker points to stimulate normal play. I don't think it matters as much how pro they are, so much as how many people get distributed playing points to per day.


Your last paragraph is really the main consideration though. Not creating new and more manual work for Sam, and also working within the current known constraints of the software.

No use making it all too hard to implement easily and fast.


We can adjust number and size of prizes.

We can adjust the rollover multiplyer.

We can change the rake percentage.


Was really just hoping for some of that wisdom on how much rollover you think players would bear and might work well to bump up activity.

Would something like 15x rollover be too much? I am thinking if it it is that high, and people still want to play, then maybe prizes amounts could be increased even more than my suggestion above.


It does not have to be 12 places paid per tourney. if we add an extra tourney, 9 places paid in each will result in the 36 prize winners per day still too. But why not 12 if the aim is to get more people with more points into the system?

True enough on the technical limitations. Unfortunately, within those limitations, I'm not sure how much can be accomplished. In theory, raising rollover requirements much higher would effectively make winnings "poker points" for cash games until they're rolled over; the weakness in that is that if they're lost in a hand, they don't need to be rolled over any more. Without the data I can't be too precise, but I'm going to assume that a lot of the points would clear this way (by being lost to someone else). The net effect is that raising rollover requirements, even substantially, probably won't make it points neutral to give out more/bigger prizes, and probably won't drive much more action (at some point, it's better to play with real points and just collect the cash game winnings immediately).

I don't think reduced rake really matters; in my experience, the type of player who cares about small differences in rake isn't the type who's going to be drawn to participate here anyways. In live cash games, conventional wisdom is actually that higher rake makes for softer/more action games (to an extent), as it keeps away the grinders who can't beat it and the casual players don't usually are.

You could reduce rollover to 1x and do no rake, and people would still complain about their freebies not being free enough

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True enough on the technical limitations. Unfortunately, within those limitations, I'm not sure how much can be accomplished. In theory, raising rollover requirements much higher would effectively make winnings "poker points" for cash games until they're rolled over; the weakness in that is that if they're lost in a hand, they don't need to be rolled over any more. Without the data I can't be too precise, but I'm going to assume that a lot of the points would clear this way (by being lost to someone else). The net effect is that raising rollover requirements, even substantially, probably won't make it points neutral to give out more/bigger prizes, and probably won't drive much more action (at some point, it's better to play with real points and just collect the cash game winnings immediately).

I don't think reduced rake really matters; in my experience, the type of player who cares about small differences in rake isn't the type who's going to be drawn to participate here anyways. In live cash games, conventional wisdom is actually that higher rake makes for softer/more action games (to an extent), as it keeps away the grinders who can't beat it and the casual players don't usually are.

You could reduce rollover to 1x and do no rake, and people would still complain about their freebies not being free enough

Ok, I get what you are saying.

Maybe it won't work as I am thinking.

[snapperman2]

Why is SBR interested in promoting cash game poker on its site? Is SBR planning to offer online poker gambling at some point?

[bobbywaves]

People starting threads bitching because a 3x rollover is too high and SBR should make it even easier to mine poker points with no need for the player to give back to poker is only going to make admin think the points spent here are an even bigger waste than it feels now btw (OP and Bobby)

Since you love bringing my name up when it's unwarranted, I'll respond again.

I never once complained about the 3x rollover. My complaint is flipping should be legal, it hurts nobody as SBR still gets rake. For the ignorant people who say flipping doesn't promote cash game action, I'll remind you flipping has been banned for a long time now & cash games are still dead. So get a clue.

If SBR was serious about promoting cash game action, they would bring back the royal flush promo & add bad beat jackpots.

[Triple_D_Bet]

Since you love bringing my name up when it's unwarranted, I'll respond again.

I never once complained about the 3x rollover. My complaint is flipping should be legal, it hurts nobody as SBR still gets rake. For the ignorant people who say flipping doesn't promote cash game action, I'll remind you flipping has been banned for a long time now & cash games are still dead. So get a clue.

If SBR was serious about promoting cash game action, they would bring back the royal flush promo & add bad beat jackpots.

Your re-response is still as nonsensical as it's always been. Flipping to clear rollover isn't the action SBR wants, and it hurts SBR when they give away a ton of points for one purpose and people get around it by flipping. Opti's mention of you is definitely warranted, as you're the type of person he's talking about (someone who is more interested in collecting SBR handouts than in participating in the cash games they're trying to stimulate). Collecting handouts seems to be a habit of yours, but suckling at the NJ/US taxpayers' teet doesn't mean we won't call you out when you try to leech off SBR
None of the above is difficult to grasp, but understanding simple things has never been one of your strong points

If SBR was serious about promoting cash game action, they would bring back the royal flush promo & add bad beat jackpots.

Hard to say; there were a lot of different factors the last time the royal promo was running, so it'd be hard to show a strong effect. Generally speaking, there's weak evidence that those things don't tend to drive traffic in an environment like this; people will say they want them, but won't play significantly more because of them.

[Triple_D_Bet]

Why is SBR interested in promoting cash game poker on its site? Is SBR planning to offer online poker gambling at some point?

Presumably for the same reason any other brand promotes activities: increased interaction with a brand keeps customers engaged and makes them more likely to use the brand for related buying activity. (People who play SBR poker are more likely to use them for things SBR makes money from). Doubt SBR plans on trying to seriously compete with the numerous other poker rooms out there, and most of the people that play now wouldn't if they did, because the freebies would be snapped up by an influx of much better players.

[bobbywaves]

Flipping to clear rollover isn't the action SBR wants,

Spending hours clearing rollover isn't the action players want, the customer is always right chump.

After taking your sorry ass for 29k in our poker bet, I'm solely responsible for sending you into SBR semi retirement. Now the forum only has to put up with your ignorant posts every 4 months, instead of every day.

[Triple_D_Bet]

Spending hours clearing rollover isn't the action players want, the customer is always right chump.

After taking your sorry ass for 29k in our poker bet, I'm solely responsible for sending you into SBR semi retirement. Now the forum only has to put up with your ignorant posts every 4 months, instead of every day.

When a customer wants something the business doesn't want to provide, they're wrong. If they keep asking for it despite being told the business still doesn't want to provide it, then the customer is wrong AND stupid....so let's just say I understand why you don't understand

My absence here was because I was (and to a lesser extent, am) busy doing productive things...such as involuntarily funding the welfare you live off Always nice to swing by and check in on buddies though. I have to admit, it's also kind of nice to be reminded that no matter what life throws at me, it could be worse: I could be like you

[Itsamazing777]

Just do rebuys until a certain break. Will boost prize pool

[bonzaii]

When a customer wants something the business doesn't want to provide, they're wrong. If they keep asking for it despite being told the business still doesn't want to provide it, then the customer is wrong AND stupid....so let's just say I understand why you don't understand

My absence here was because I was (and to a lesser extent, am) busy doing productive things...such as involuntarily funding the welfare you live off Always nice to swing by and check in on buddies though. I have to admit, it's also kind of nice to be reminded that no matter what life throws at me, it could be worse: I could be like you

Maybe SBR should just do away with poker than? The only people that really play are the leech/welfare type or ppl who get off on playing conservative and grinding away for hardly anything.

There is nothing productive about playing SBR poker for peanuts. Your a fool if you waste more than 30 mins trying to rollover your points.

[bobbywaves]

My absence here was because Waves humiliated me in our 29k bet.

Fixed that for ya.

busy doing productive things...such as involuntarily funding the welfare you live off

Care to back up your ignorant statement, with a wager for your measly 2,500 pts?

Didn't think so.

it could be worse: I could be like you

Coming from a pencil neck geek with Baby New Year ears, sad you can't afford a mirror:

[Optional]

Why is SBR interested in promoting cash game poker on its site? Is SBR planning to offer online poker gambling at some point?

It's an advertising cost for the site.

It does not appear to be returning well on that investment.

Hence, wanting it to grow and be more successful.

Since you love bringing my name up when it's unwarranted, I'll respond again.

We are talking about you, not to you.

No one is arguing that you think as you do Bobby. If i wanted to read your same shameful selfish drivel excuses again, I would have spoken to you.

There is nothing productive about playing SBR poker for peanuts. Your a fool if you waste more than 30 mins trying to rollover your points.

Urgers like you and Bobby should be just banned from poker.

If I ran the place I would seriously have just banned anyone who denigrated the program to my face already.

I'd be hated if an administrator of this site. I could not bring myself to act all American style CS for you. Come into my house and spit on my carpet... good bye pal. End of story.

[bobbywaves]

We are talking about you, not to you.

Same thing, as if I wouldn't read it?...When you falsely state things like I complain about the 3x rollover, I'll respond & set you str8.

No one is arguing that you think as you do Bobby.

Obviously, they will lose the argument.

Urgers like you and Bobby should be just banned from poker.

Banning guys who simply disagree with your opinion may be the Australian way, but it's not the American way.

[Triple_D_Bet]

Just do rebuys until a certain break. Will boost prize pool

I'm not sure it would, but wouldn't hurt to try if the software can support.

Maybe SBR should just do away with poker than? The only people that really play are the leech/welfare type or ppl who get off on playing conservative and grinding away for hardly anything.

There is nothing productive about playing SBR poker for peanuts. Your a fool if you waste more than 30 mins trying to rollover your points.

"Productive" wasn't meant to imply that SBR poker wasn't productive, only that I chose to do things more productive than bobbo's welfare-leeching.

SBR poker isn't supposed to be productive in the sense that it would be more profitable than other uses of most people's time; most people play for entertainment (which is almost by definition un- or at least less-productive?). Having fun isn't foolish by itself.

Thankfully, there are only a few leeches like bobbo that I've seen (and even more thankfully, most aren't as vocal about it!)...most players are just having fun, so why not keep it going?

It's an advertising cost for the site.

It does not appear to be returning well on that investment.

Hence, wanting it to grow and be more successful.



We are talking about you, not to you.

No one is arguing that you think as you do Bobby. If i wanted to read your same shameful selfish drivel excuses again, I would have spoken to you.



Urgers like you and Bobby should be just banned from poker.

If I ran the place I would seriously have just banned anyone who denigrated the program to my face already.

I'd be hated if an administrator of this site. I could not bring myself to act all American style CS for you. Come into my house and spit on my carpet... good bye pal. End of story.

Banning should be decided by a panel of you, BD and darkghost...if even you guys can't stand someone, it's a clear sign they should go!

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I don't really think you are the major problem Bobby. It's the quiet ones who's name we don't recognize that just mine poker for easy points that are bleeding the poker program.

In fact you put plenty into the site with your postings to express any opinion you like. Whether I like it or not.


BUT, I think you like the poker program here as much as anyone else, and would like it to thrive same as me.

So how do you suggest we go forward to help it get better?

How much rollover do you think is worth the trade off for higher/more point prizes again?

[thechaoz]

This is why flipping should be allowed for those people who value time.

Only no life losers want to spend hours rolling over "peanut points."

It is. You can't stop it being as it's completely within the rules and guidelines of poker.

People are just scared gheys.

Pm me I'm down anytime.

[thechaoz]

I don't really think you are the major problem Bobby. It's the quiet ones who's name we don't recognize that just mine poker for easy points that are bleeding the poker program.

In fact you put plenty into the site with your postings to express any opinion you like. Whether I like it or not.


BUT, I think you like the poker program here as much as anyone else, and would like it to thrive same as me.

So how do you suggest we go forward to help it get better?

How much rollover do you think is worth the trade off for higher/more point prizes again?

I don't think we should reduce the roll over, but I think we should quit the " Hey guess the score for the Braves Philadelphia game for $2" contests

Funnel all that shit into the poker program, and then we could hopefully bring the points back up to the previous level.

you guys were really about to hit a new level, and completely pulled back for some reason.

[Triple_D_Bet]

It is. You can't stop it being as it's completely within the rules and guidelines of poker.

People are just scared gheys.

Pm me I'm down anytime.

Flipping is just fine by itself; most of my live sessions end with rounding stack down to nearest $100, cashing out and flipping with the rest It's only a problem when it's used to clear extremely generous rollovers against their intended purpose.

I don't think we should reduce the roll over, but I think we should quit the " Hey guess the score for the Braves Philadelphia game for $2" contests

Funnel all that shit into the poker program, and then we could hopefully bring the points back up to the previous level.

you guys were really about to hit a new level, and completely pulled back for some reason.

Contests like that see a lot more participation; giving away $15 in pizza gets a lot more participation and engagement than a tourney giving away several times as much, so from a marketing perspective, it's probably more successful. I'm sure SBR would be willing to put more into the poker program if there was reason to believe they'd get more out of it; so far, there hasn't been much reason to think so. But to opti's point, maybe there's a way to change that, so toss out any suggestions you have

[bobbywaves]

It is. You can't stop it being as it's completely within the rules and guidelines of poker.

People are just scared gheys.

Pm me I'm down anytime.

Flipping is just fine by itself

Of course, there's no bigger flipping supporter than myself.

However, Drew stated flipping is not allowed here. So I'm not sure what either of you are talking about.

[JoeCool20]

Presumably for the same reason any other brand promotes activities: increased interaction with a brand keeps customers engaged and makes them more likely to use the brand for related buying activity. (People who play SBR poker are more likely to use them for things SBR makes money from). Doubt SBR plans on trying to seriously compete with the numerous other poker rooms out there, and most of the people that play now wouldn't if they did, because the freebies would be snapped up by an influx of much better players.

LOL I remember our "previous conversations" too. And I remember that all you want to do is run your mouth
and be rude to people and act like a juvenile child with your "snarky" replies. But If you want to be serious instead of the stupid rude and crass replies, then I'll ask another question that I don't even know why you're "guessing" at the answer!

Let somebody that works here answer. Why does/would SBR want to "drive action" to the poker tables?

Why would they want a bunch of people sitting there at poker tables pissed off thinking they are wasting their time
trying to rollover the freakin points that SOMEBODY is going to end up with anyway??

But if you do want to make "wild guesses" at why, then you have got to come up with something better than your last "wild guess!" LOL Here it is:

"Increased interaction with a brand keeps customers engaged and makes them more likely to use the brand for related buying activity."

LOL People winning a tourney and then sitting there for hours trying to roll HUNDREDS of points while hoping they don't get fukin donked out on an SBR "two out special" is not doing anything for the "SBR Brand" except pissing people off because they have to sit there and play for two hours and maybe win/rollover ZERO of their points because they got donked!

Now make a juvenile crass reply like you did to my first post, and then let someone who works here answer the question:

Does anyone from SBR have an answer as to why you want people sitting at the Poker tables for hours trying to rollover points when someone is going to end up with them ANYWAY? "Drive traffic??" Why do you want unhappy players sitting at the poker tables who would rather be doing something else with their time?

Hell, why not have a "rake option" of your own, and allow a player to just give SBR a percentage of their poker points and then SBR can take/retire them just like a rake! If I win 200 poker points and there was an option that said:

"You can have 150 points right now if you give SBR 50 of your 200 points and then you don't have to sit at the poker game for 2 hours and "Hope" that somebody else gets your points!" Hell I'd do it EVERY TIME!! And SBR would be taking/raking/retiring a LOT more points than they would have if I had to sit there for 2 hours!

There is no reason not to offer something like that until somebody tells me why SBR gives a damn about people
sitting at their poker tables for hours unhappily trying to roll over the huge roll before they get donked and lose it all?


For someone with a marketing degree, Is it because SBR wants to show that more people are on the site and thus

be able to tell potential advertisers how many people are "active" on here? Thus pushing up the incentive for

those Sports-books to pay SBR more money to advertise on here? It's always about money ain't it? LOL

I just don't get why SBR wants to "force" and "punish" their Pro's to sit on the poker site trying to grind/rollover points when it is only making them frustrated an unhappy because they'd rather be doing something else?

[JoeCool20]

LOL By the way, why is this Triple D dude replying with nothing more than his own "guess answer" to EVERY

question on here like he is "in charge" of SBR poker or something! LOL He doesn't even work here and none of his

answers are anything more than his own "Guesses" or opinions!! LOL Damn dude, once again, I KNOW this will

bring out another juvenile and snarky reply from you, but geez dude, voice your opinion that nobody asked for

on one or maybe two subjects that others brought up and then leave it to the people that work here to give

VALID replies that actually "count"!!! Your "Guesses" and opinions don't count for anything and are just clogging

up the thread!!

And quit saying things about "better players" this and "better players" that! Are you blind & dumb?

Have you been in a cave? "Better players" don't win on here! Look at the caption above my name!

"SBR Poker is ALL Freakin Wild Donk Luck!" Nobody wants to sit here and play 2 hours trying to roll 3X points

(that SOMEBODY is going to end up with anyway!) when this dumb shit on here isn't even "real poker"!!

This SBR Poker shit is 90% wild luck donks that frustrates the hell out of the "good" players! And nobody can stand it!

EVERY other all-in on this SBR Poker shit is some stupid wild 5 or 10% luck donk out that drives people crazy and makes

them not even want to play poker on here!

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LOL By the way, why is this Triple D dude replying with nothing more than his own "guess answer" to EVERY

question on here like he is "in charge" of SBR poker or something!

Made man. We have to listen

[JoeCool20]

Made man. We have to listen

LOL Yeah hell man, I don't dislike anybody on here and I wish it was ALL congeniality on here!

But a lot of the people on here do nothing but be rude & juvenile, or try to instigate something with their replies!

And he just had to make his first reply to my simple question with some "snarky" stuff right off the bat because

of something he is holding on to from a damn year ago! Frown.

[JoeCool20]

Tripper-D hasn't been around in several months and he doesn't know that I have no interest

in that stupid back and forth shit like 4th graders anymore. Him & Waves can have that dumb shit

and make themselves look like juveniles to the rest of the forum all freakin day if they want to, but not me anymore.

It was a mistake for me to ever even reply to any of it after some other goof-ball started it.

But I never wanted it and I try hard to not get baited into doing it anymore!

And I'm not "bashing" Waves either! He admits that he does the shit and doesn't care how it makes him look on here.

I'm just not interested in that Waves-type juvenile/instigating crap back and forth anymore.

I never was to begin with.

[Optional]

What do you think about getting rid of the Omaha H/L tables Joe?

To try and encourage more daily play, instead of people waiting for the weekend to roll over easier?

[Triple_D_Bet]

LOL I remember our "previous conversations" too. And I remember that all you want to do is run your mouth
and be rude to people and act like a juvenile child with your "snarky" replies. But If you want to be serious instead of the stupid rude and crass replies, then I'll ask another question that I don't even know why you're "guessing" at the answer!

Let somebody that works here answer. Why does/would SBR want to "drive action" to the poker tables?

Opti answered this question before you asked it, and that's as close as you're probably going to get to an answer from SBR, unless you get hired on and are privy to their business plans.

My guesses aren't exactly wild and seem like the most reasonable assumptions; do you have an alternative guess for why SBR is handing out poker points with rollovers? Maybe it's impolite to start my explanation by saying you probably won't understand, but it's hard to feel bad about it when you prove it to be true

If SBR gives away tourney prizes with rollover attached, in the hopes of stimulating ring games, why would they want to offer people the option to take 75% of the poker points as straight betpoints? It defeats the whole purpose of giving away poker points.

I'm sure SBR is assuming that people who play tournies and accept the poker point winnings aren't vehemently opposed to playing more poker to roll them over. It's a pretty reasonable assumption, and it doesn't damage their brand, any more than sportsbooks offering deposit bonuses hurt their brand if people don't win and roll the bonus over. Players know what they're getting into, and that poker is a game where you can lose sometimes. The only people who can't/won't grasp this are the people who aren't interested in playing poker so much as leeching free points from SBR, and those aren't the type of people anyone wants in the community. If you don't want to roll the points over, there's a solution: don't do it. If you don't like winning poker points that you have to roll over, nobody's making you play the tournies in the first place

Again, I don't expect you to understand this stuff; the explanation is more for others who might read your posts and not immediately see the flawed reasoning. When someone makes false claims like "poker is 90% wild luck donks", I don't expect them to be able to understand logical explanations. As for being above the back and forth...it's a frequent claim of yours, and it's funny how much you reply for someone who claims to be uninterested in it

What do you think about getting rid of the Omaha H/L tables Joe?

To try and encourage more daily play, instead of people waiting for the weekend to roll over easier?

You're a penetrating saint Opti, there's no other explanation...how else can you just ignore all this crap?

Hopefully Joe answers ya in between posting 3+ times in response to me.

[Krashman]

What do you think about getting rid of the Omaha H/L tables Joe?

To try and encourage more daily play, instead of people waiting for the weekend to roll over easier?

It's popular, should try to keep it.

Just tweak it so playing hi lo only counts half the rollover or whatever so that playing holdem or hi lo take about the same amount of time to clear the poker points.

Hi Lo is so much more exciting than holdem...

[Optional]

You're a penetrating saint Opti, there's no other explanation...how else can you just ignore all this crap?

You haven't been around as much as you used to be.

I've learned not to argue or I'll just get more words than I really want to read back in return, saying the same thing as last time I read them.

But Joe is ok. Just likes to make his point, a lot, and at length.

It's popular, should try to keep it.

Just tweak it so playing hi lo only counts half the rollover or whatever so that playing holdem or hi lo take about the same amount of time to clear the poker points.

Hi Lo is so much more exciting than holdem...

That's not a bad idea as an alternative if it can be done.

[JoeCool20]

What do you think about getting rid of the Omaha H/L tables Joe?

To try and encourage more daily play, instead of people waiting for the weekend to roll over easier?

Opti, getting rid of the hi lo tables would increase action in the hold em just because people would have to go

there to roll the points instead of waiting until the weekend. I don't want the hi-lo tables gone because I don't

like the fact that after I win a tournament I get "forced" to have to play 2 more hours of poker to try to roll over

the points 3X! And so I have really won nothing (no points) UNLESS I get wildly lucky

and somehow end up with some of my points leftover after I have had to bet 900 points worth of poker

to ever get to touch any of my 300 that I won in the tourney!


AT LEAST with hi-low I can wait until the weekend and try to get it all in with Ace 2 for a low and split a couple

of pots and hopefully still have some of my points left after the huge roll over!

[JoeCool20]

You haven't been around as much as you used to be.

I've learned not to argue or I'll just get more words than I really want to read back in return, saying the same thing as last time I read them.

But Joe is ok. Just likes to make his point, a lot, and at length.

LOL I solved that for you, I didn't even read TripperD's lengthy reply to me! As soon as he started in with the

"Waves" type crap, I just stopped reading! Like I said, he is "Waves II"!! LOL And like I also said, they love that shit,

but I don't!! I've got no reason for that stupid shit! I could cut the dude down with my sharp wit

worse than anybody on here has ever embarrassed/humiliated him, or cut him down!

And then he'd just get angrier and feel the need to reply back! LOL who wants that? When the hell does/would it end!

The thing is, he has GREAT things to say if he could just leave out the juvenile "Waves" type crap!

If he wants to make a reply like a grown gentleman, instead of childish "jabs" and mouth-running,

then I'll converse with the guy forever!

But a "Waves" type, mouth running/rude reply gets "air" from me! LOL Like Singletary said:

"Can't do it! Don't want it!!"

[JoeCool20]

What I want to ask you Opti, is do you think (many) people are really interested in playing poker on here if they AREN'T

trying to roll over points? I don't. I'm sure the Random number Generator IS "verified" and "fair" but you see how

many people on here get sick of the wild donks when they get into all-ins with others!

I don't think (many) people want to risk ANY of their points on here that don't have to be rolled over in poker games!

This site really is full of people who want EVERY possible point that they can get!!

LOL They play EVERY contest, they play poker tourneys EVERY night and twice on weekends JUST so they

can try to rack up tons of points and then cash them in! (Did you see them FLOCKING to the tables when that

big blue dude was practically giving his points away on hold em LOL It was like a bunch of sharks smelling blood!)

LOL Oh well, Who the hell can blame them I guess? Stay on here 50 hours a week and try to get every point you can!

It won't/doesn't bother me for those people to do that! But I really don't think many people on here are interested in

playing poker for ANY reason other than to roll over points. (Will somebody start a poll and ask them: "Do you play

Poker on here with your own points much at all? Or do you just play poker to with points that need to be rolled over?")


And while you are at it, please tell me WHY SBR would want more people playing poker all the time on here?

Why does it matter to SBR? Why do they want more people playing poker on here?

[JoeCool20]

Opti answered this question before you asked it, and that's as close as you're probably going to get to an answer from SBR, unless you get hired on and are privy to their business plans.

If SBR gives away tourney prizes with rollover attached, in the hopes of stimulating ring games, why would they want to offer people the option to take 75% of the poker points as straight betpoints? It defeats the whole purpose of giving away poker pointsI'm sure SBR is assuming that people who play tournies and accept the poker point winnings aren't vehemently opposed to playing more poker to roll them over. It's a pretty reasonable assumption, and it doesn't damage their brand, any more than sportsbooks offering deposit bonuses hurt their brand if people don't win and roll the bonus over. Players know what they're getting into, and that poker is a game where you can lose sometimes. The only people who can't/won't grasp this are the people who aren't interested in playing poker so much as leeching free points from SBR, and those aren't the type of people anyone wants in the community. If you don't want to roll the points over, there's a solution: don't do it. If you don't like winning poker points that you have to roll over, nobody's making you play the tournies in the first place .

LOL I won't take the "high road", I'll just take the "mature road" and edit out over half of your post that was
nothing but childish jibberish meant to instigate the same type of childish reply. Now I will lower myself to your level this one time and call you names back and make you look stupid and embarrass you.
But I think this shit is stupid and useless! So Just please try to work on laying off the idiotic childish crap and you will not be looked at on here as "Waves II"


Now I have to tell you that, even after I edited out all the stupid childish crap, you STILL did not answer the question!!! "To stimulate ring games" is NOT the answer to the question I asked! Go look at my post!
I asked WHY SBR wants to "stimulate ring games." Maybe your level of intelligence and comprehension doesn't go past the 5th grade level, and that's why you post/act like a child!
But after you run your mouth again like a child in your reply, AT LEAST read and comprehend the question!

Go read my post! I've already asked this once! Will caps and bold letters help?

"WHY does SBR want to "stimulate" or "drive action" to ring games?"

"Why does SBR gives a damn about making/forcing their Pro's to sit at their poker tables for hours
unhappily trying to roll over poker points 3X that SOMEBODY is going to end up with ANYWAY??


Then you say that people who don't feel like wasting 2 hours at the poker tables trying to roll over points 3X

"Aren't interested in playing poker so much as leeching free points from SBR."

LOL That is the dumbest answer that you could possibly give and ISN'T even up to a 5th grade level.

Not if you READ AND COMPREHEND what I posted!!! Here it is again, maybe caps and bold will help!


"SOMEBODY IS GOING TO END UP WITH THE POINTS ANYWAY!!"

How the fuk can you call people "leeches" that don't want to sit here and play for 2 hours trying to rollover points 3X?

WHEN SOMEONE IS GOING TO END UP WITH THE POINTS ANYWAY!!


So if I play SBR Poker for 3 hours because I won a tourney and I HAVE to try and rollover the points,

then I'm NOT somebody that wants to "leech free points from SBR"??

But If I'd rather just tell SBR: "Here take/retire 50 of these 200 points so I don't have to sit here playing poker for 3 hours."
Then that makes me a "leech" who wants free points??!! LOL You can't be serious!! That is insanely obtuse!!

It makes NO sense for one simple reason!!.... SOMEBODY IS GOING TO END UP WITH THE POINTS ANYWAY!!


LOL So, are only the winners who still had points left after they survived the 3X rollover considered "leeches"?? LOL That doesn't even make any sense! You HAVE to read and comprehend the QUESTION!!!

Question #1. "WHY does SBR want to "stimulate ring games?" You never gave a "wild guess answer" to that!!!

This was as close as you got to attempting an answer: "Opti answered this question before you asked it, and that's as close as you're probably going to get to an answer from SBR, unless you get hired on and are privy to their business plans."


LOL OMG dude, so now your "wild guess answer" is that It's a " business secret" and SBR ain't telling nobody??

My gosh dude, you are certainly comical if nothing else!!

#2. Why does SBR give a damn about making/forcing their Pro's to sit at their poker tables for hours
unhappily trying to roll over poker points 3X that SOMEBODY is going to end up with ANYWAY??

You never gave an "I don't work here but I will give a wild guess answer" to that either!

Try to work on reading comprehension instead of focusing all your time thinking up juvenile and "Snarky" replies!!

Or if you can't help your childish/juvenile self then AT LEAST don't forget to be mature enough to read and comprehend the actual question and then give an answer after you post the rude/childish crap!!

[bobbywaves]

As soon as he started in with the "Waves" type crap, I just stopped reading! Like I said, he is "Waves II"!!

The thing is, he has GREAT things to say if he could just leave out the juvenile "Waves" type crap!

But a "Waves" type, mouth running/rude reply gets "air" from me!

On a serious note Joe, your OCD mental illness is covered by most insurance companies.

So please seek immediate treatment for your Obsessive Compulsive Disorder. The SBR poker community thanks you in advance, as your repetitive posts are unbearable to read.

[JoeCool20]

On a serious note Joe, your OCD mental illness is covered by most insurance companies.

So please seek immediate treatment for your Obsessive Compulsive Disorder. The SBR poker community thanks you in advance, as your repetitive posts are unbearable to read.

LOL Damn Waves, you yourself even admit that you TRY to intentionally be rude & childish to other fellow Pro's and you don't care that almost everybody on here hates you for running your mouth and being a rude & childish instigator!
So why bash me for my post about what YOU YOURSELF knows is true and you have even admitted that it is true & you don't care that you are hated on here!!!

And also, Good gosh dumb-ass, speak for YOURSELF and YOURSELF ONLY!
If you had any sense at all, then #1. You'd know that you don't speak for "The SBR poker community!"

Not only that, but I've yet to see a post about you from ANYBODY on here (SBR Poker or the whole SBR site) that isn't about how they dislike you and your stupid mouth running posts! Or they are calling you a scammer or a cheater!

And #2. If you had any education at all, then you'd know that you don't speak for others if they didn't ask you to do it!
And like you would ever be able speak for the "SBR Poker community" anyway!

Good gosh you flaming idiot, almost every other post on here is a fellow Pro talking about how you are a mouth running dick-head and how you have "cheated" somebody out of points or "scammed" at SBR Poker!!
Or even how you try to scam SBR themselves!!! Dude even a Mod has posted on THIS thread about how
you are always "bitching" about something!

Don't speak for the "SBR poker community" when all they do is call you a scammer and wish you'd leave the whole site!

LOL A red bump on my ass has more intelligence in it than that obtuse post by you!


And #3, If you had any education at all, then you sure wouldn't reply to the person (ME) who didn't start it and only replied to defend my/himself!

You'd tell the person that instigated the crap to STOP INSTIGATING it!! Now you know why I USUALLY don't reply at all to any of the dumb crap that people start with me, because inevitably some idiot like you will get on here and "bash" ME for my replies instead of "bashing" the guy who started it!!

Now after that dumb-ass post by you, (and undoubtedly the next juvenile dumb-ass post that will be in reply to this one!) I will join the "SBR Bandwagon" and say that I think you are a scamming lying cheating idiot that should be banned, or just leave the site altogether because of how bad you are hated on here.