-
Comment -
I think they will. The offensive gameplan always runs through Bryant. Brown in the defensive guy. Bryant knows what Nash can do and he will find a way for them to play together. You have 2 of the highest IQ guys in all of basketball on one team. They'll find a way bro.Cause Sleep is the Cousin of DeathComment -
Didn't particularly watch the olympics but keep hearing that Pau played much more aggressive during it and that Lebron was put on him sometimes and having trouble. Was that the case or did Lebron overpower Pau in the post?
I just don't see Bosh making Howard his bitch if anything Howard is more athletic and stronger so Bosh's damage would have to be from outside and Lakers would rather Bosh and everyone on Miami getting points from the perimeter as opposed to in the paint from alley oops, dunks, lay ups.Comment -
James has trouble guarding bigger guys in the post, he did guard Gasol on some possessions and did a decent job, but Pau is pretty long. I don't think James would guard him for more than 20% of a 7 game series. Gasol on the other end--james blew by him on multiple possessions.
That's an interesting philosophy there. I think that free, pick and roll cutting style will work very well with the Lakers. Bryant will have no problem with Nash running the show, and Nash doesn't usually take over 4th quarters anyway so you know Bryant will be well rested during crunch time. In those moments, Nash, Gasol, and Howard will all know their roll.Cause Sleep is the Cousin of DeathComment -
Goat Milk must have testes the size of raisins.
Lebron James teams up with 2 fellow top 15 players in the league.
Goat Milk: They'll win a title! (later) See, I'm a genius, I knew they'd win one, I bet they win some more too.
Kobe + Howard + Nash + Gasol... 4 superstar players.
Goat Milk : They'll win the west! (soon to be) See, I told you they'd win the west. I'm a genius.
Goat Milk... no one gives a flying fukk about your pussy predictions. Dear God.
The sun will come up tomorrow. I'll be here in the god damned morning to soak in my praise.
But yeah... MJ never had a roster this good. So if Kobe is 1/10th the man Jordan is, he'll win 70. Good luck, Kobe.
Comment -
Heat to win 10/11: +300
Heat to win 11/12: +200
Lakers to win west 12/13: probably around +150
Sun to come up tomorrow: I'll give you -100000000000000
Yeah, real comparable
We're talking about a +money, he's not calling the Bulls to win the Central Division or the Heat to win the SouthEast FFS.
If the n°1 favorite always won, future betting should be easy right? You get around +200, +300 for something that according to a lot of people in this thread, is obvious. Well it's not that easy. By saying the Lakers will win the West next year, he is also implying that OKC won't win it for example, and as you can see many people still like OKC. Doesn't seem so much of an obvious call.
I for one, wouldn't bet this cause I don't have a big enough bankroll to bet futures, IMO if I'm gonna have my money locked up for a year the payout should be pretty big, and I don't have a bankroll big enough to play big on it without having too much money locked up for months. But seemingly he's like say 70+% sure of this Lakers play and if he gets +150, it seems +EV to me.Comment -
chris bosh is nowhere near a top 15 player...top 15 overrated players maybe, but nowhere near a top 15 player in the nbaGoat Milk must have testes the size of raisins.
Lebron James teams up with 2 fellow top 15 players in the league.
Goat Milk: They'll win a title! (later) See, I'm a genius, I knew they'd win one, I bet they win some more too.
Kobe + Howard + Nash + Gasol... 4 superstar players.
Goat Milk : They'll win the west! (soon to be) See, I told you they'd win the west. I'm a genius.
Goat Milk... no one gives a flying fukk about your pussy predictions. Dear God.
The sun will come up tomorrow. I'll be here in the god damned morning to soak in my praise.
But yeah... MJ never had a roster this good. So if Kobe is 1/10th the man Jordan is, he'll win 70. Good luck, Kobe.Comment -
Here's something that you continue to fail to realize. If half the people think OKC will win & half the people think the Lakers will win. That means that half the people will be correct in the end. THAT DOESN'T MAKE YOU A FUKKIN GENIUS WHEN YOU ARE PART OF THE 50% THAT PICKED THE WINNER.Heat to win 10/11: +300
Heat to win 11/12: +200
Lakers to win west 12/13: probably around +150
Sun to come up tomorrow: I'll give you -100000000000000
Yeah, real comparable
We're talking about a +money, he's not calling the Bulls to win the Central Division or the Heat to win the SouthEast FFS.
If the n°1 favorite always won, future betting should be easy right? You get around +200, +300 for something that according to a lot of people in this thread, is obvious. Well it's not that easy. By saying the Lakers will win the West next year, he is also implying that OKC won't win it for example, and as you can see many people still like OKC. Doesn't seem so much of an obvious call.
I for one, wouldn't bet this cause I don't have a big enough bankroll to bet futures, IMO if I'm gonna have my money locked up for a year the payout should be pretty big, and I don't have a bankroll big enough to play big on it without having too much money locked up for months. But seemingly he's like say 70+% sure of this Lakers play and if he gets +150, it seems +EV to me.
odds on teams:
-150
-300
-320
-500
-700
-900
-1000
-1100
-1500
-1700
Goat: "You are delusional if you think the -150 loses"
Eventual Outcome: -150 actually wins
Goat: "I told u so. I am a genius. I am the only person in the world that picked the -150 team"
Rest of the population with a brain:
"Is this guy for real? What an attention whore egomaniac. Congratulations on going out on a limb & telling us the odds on favorite was going to win."
Do you understand this picture painted for you Seto or are still as pea brained as Goat??Comment -
Well Gee Goat. Last yr I said the Heat wouldn't win. I was wrong. The yr before i said the Heat wouldn't win....I was right. Even took the Mavs plus a boatload. Yr before I picked the Lakers preseason. I was right. Year before I picked the Lakers preseason. I was right. Year before I picked the Celtics preseason I was right.
I've done pretty well myself w/ who I thought would eventually be champs over the last 5 yrs or so. Difference is just because I accurately pick the Champion of the league I don't prance around the board claiming genius & that I know more than anybody else does.
Trust me pal.....you are not a genius for picking the odds on favorite & actually being correct. You so desperately want to be known as an NBA guru for some reason. Here's a newsflash to you.....picking the odds on favorite every yr & being right 2 out 3 doesn't qualify you as an NBA guru like you think it does.Comment -
This thread is now a trainwreck. Using the Olympics and how Pau seeming had his way versus lebron? Are you guys high?
Also for anyone with a clue when Indy and Miami were playing in the second round this year and Indy was looking good and Miami was looking like ass down 1-2 to them, and every hater on the planet with a microphone a TV camera pointed at him was burying the Heat they could have been gotten for probably +250 to win it all maybe +300 in the middle of May down 2-1 to Indy I think they were even money just to win that series. I know for a fact they were +200 a couple weeks later to win the Celtics series when they were in two back to back elimination games. Which would have made them around +350-400 to win it all. So a couple chances in the last couple weeks of the season to get heat at very generous odds, probably better than guys crowing about in this thread.Comment -
just looked up some stuff on bosh and he seems pretty solid to me
Position ( Power-Forward ) Rankings Chris Bosh 5th in Free-throws made Top Power-Forwards in Free-throws made 7th in Points Top Power-Forwards in Scoring 7th in Free-throws percentage Top Power-Forwards in Free-throws percentage 8th in Field-goals made Top Power-Forwards in Field-goals made 8th in Free-throws attempts Top Power-Forwards in Free-throws attempts 9th in Field-goals attempts Top Power-Forwards in Field-goals attempts 10th in Defensive Rebounds Top Power-Forwards in Defensive Rebounds 12nd in Efficiency recap Top Power-Forwards in Efficiency recap 13rd in Rebounds Top Power-Forwards in Rebounds 14th in Steals Top Power-Forwards in Steals 16th in Assists Top Power-Forwards in Assists 22nd in Blocks Top Power-Forwards in Blocks 23rd in Field-goals percentage Top Power-Forwards in Field-goals percentage 27th in 3-point attempts Top Power-Forwards in 3-point attempts 35th in Fouls Top Power-Forwards in Fouls 38th in Offensive Rebounds Top Power-Forwards in Offensive Rebounds Comment -
You're an idiotHere's something that you continue to fail to realize. If half the people think OKC will win & half the people think the Lakers will win. That means that half the people will be correct in the end. THAT DOESN'T MAKE YOU A FUKKIN GENIUS WHEN YOU ARE PART OF THE 50% THAT PICKED THE WINNER.
odds on teams:
-150
-300
-320
-500
-700
-900
-1000
-1100
-1500
-1700
Goat: "You are delusional if you think the -150 loses"
Eventual Outcome: -150 actually wins
Goat: "I told u so. I am a genius. I am the only person in the world that picked the -150 team"
Rest of the population with a brain: "Is this guy for real? What an attention whore egomaniac. Congratulations on going out on a limb & telling us the odds on favorite was going to win."
Do you understand this picture painted for you Seto or are still as pea brained as Goat??
You're criticizing someone for being captain obvious although they're making a +money bet.
If you think the Lakers have a 50+% chance to win the West, then you're an idiot for not betting on them at the price you will most likely get. Or maybe you don't understand simple math and what a +ev bet is and shouldn't be gambling at all.
If picking -150 winners (I guarantee Lakers win west odds will be higher than -150, probably +money given championship odds) was so easy, we'd all be rich. It's all about identifying good plays and seemingly Goat thinks he has one here. If you disagree instead of calling him captain obvious I suggest you make an argument as to why the Lakers to win the West are a bad play? If you have none and think it's so obvious, then as I was saying BET ON THEM
As for the other side of your post, so now you should get less credit for a pick because other people are betting on it? that's new
All that matters is winning and making +ev bets
Comment -
meh...top 15 at his position, i would agreewith Face here...i could argue there are 15 guards in the league that are better players than him...(well, maybe not 15, but you get my drift) ... i doubt we will ever see if he gets any better...wont get enough touches in miami, im afraid...Comment -
My main concern is how does Steve Nash transform himself to not being "the guy." He has always been the main ball handler in PHX. The offense completely ran through Nash and the pick and roll. I think he will have to be much more of a spot up shooter and work off the ball in LA. Obviously he can't have the ball all that much because he is playing with Kobe, Pau, and Dwight.Comment -
mini Steve Nash interview
You fill several voids for LA. Rank them in order of importance: locker room leader; a yin to Kobe Bryant's yang; knockdown three-point guy; facilitator.
NASH: I think anytime a player can be a resource for younger guys coming up, that's a value add, so I think I'll put "locker room guy" up front. That's a part of the game I've always really enjoyed. After that, I think facilitator, if that's what Mike Brown is looking for from me. Kobe's been doing pretty well without me, but I do think I can help.
You like to push the pace and freewheel, but the Lakers are pretty old and reliant on half-court sets. How do you see the offense playing out?
NASH: I think we'll have great balance. We can rebound, so we can run, but in the halfcourt we have plenty of post-up players, Kobe's shot-making and isolation abilities, and my experience in pick-and-rolls. The team has two of the most dominant big men in the game. Pau [Gasol] is just a force, and you get the feeling he hasn't peaked.
The offense, some incorporation of Princeton offense
Mike Brown on the O with @SteveNash: "We're going to put the ball in his hands ... in the same breath, our main principles won't change much."
Anyway, apparently Mike Brown was intrigued, and the two (Bryant and Brown) sat down with former NBA head coach Eddie Jordan in Las Vegas during Team USA’s training camp. Jordan knows the Princeton offense–an offense predicated on constant motion, passing, back-door cuts, and disciplined teamwork
Bryant’s high praise for the complex offense as Kobe told Yahoo! Sports: It’s a great offense. It’s exactly what we need. It takes us back to being able to play by making reads and reacting to defenses. It takes a great deal of communication, but that’s where we’re at our best: Reading and reacting as opposed to just coming down and calling sets. Calling sets make you vulnerable.
There’s so many threats, so many options, it’s very tough to defend. Against the type of defenses that teams play nowadays, they load up on one side and are constantly coming with help from the weak side. The Princeton offense makes it very, very tough to lock in on one particular player.
The Princeton offense, coincidentally, is a slow-developing offense that is used by teams to counter opposing teams that have faster, more athletic players; a similar situation in which these aging Lakers often find themselves in (although the addition of Howard changes that a bit). http://www.lakersnation.com/the-prin...rs/2012/08/11/
Food chain probably won't be too different in terms of # of shots
2011-2012 Average Field Goal Attempts (FGA)
23 FGA Kobe
14 FGA Pau
13 FGA Howard
9 FGA Nash
7 FGA MWP
23 + 14 + 13 + 9 = 66 FGA
81 or more FGA roughly per game, so that would leave roughly 15 or more for the remaining players on bench or to further divide among starters
The Lakers attempted just 80.6 shots per game last season (21st in the NBA), but they averaged 22.5 assists (6th in the NBA) and shot 45.7 percent from the field (7th in the NBA). Increased ball movement and off-ball action should make the offense even more efficient. It's a scary thought considering the addition of Steve Nash (who made 53 percent of his FGs last year and can get anyone an open shot) and Dwight Howard (whose 57.3 percent shooting easily led the league). Throw in Kobe and Pau, and the Lakers have a lineup built to shred and pulp most defensesLast edited by pepero428; 08-15-12, 05:50 PM.Comment -
Excellent post Pep.
Convict, Wade won that championship in 06. Not Shaq. Wade made it out of the first round several times before he got Shaq too. He is one of the greatest 25 players of all time already if he retires today. 25 5 and 6 averages for his career. I bet only 10 guys at most have done that for their career. All time.
Upscope,
85% of SBR picked OKC to win the finals and got it wrong. Now you're bashing me for saying MIA was the easiest pick when every analyst on ESPN picked the Thunder and 85% here picked the Thunder, and mind you, this was right before the finals. Not pre-season like my predictions. Say what you want.
You say it's obvious but who here has the balls to throw 1k on MIA +200 before the season starts to win it all. Check out the odds on Boston beating Orlando back in 2010 in the CF and then check who was one of maybe twenty guys tops on this board that have Bost winning that series. Then check who did a 3 page single spaced writeup before the finals started and predicted the Lakers to win 4-3 and check the odds on that. I know what I'm talking about when it comes to futures.Cause Sleep is the Cousin of DeathComment -
HelplessComment -
I just cant wait for the "I told you guys the Lakers with Kobe, Dwight and Nash would do well." Way to go out on a limb. Are you calling for Lebron and Wade to be successful again? Just checking"This is why my basketball intelligence is unmatched on this site. I'm sure there are better cappers but no one can tell you the strategies of most coaches before the game even starts "
Goat MilkComment -
He's not predicting them to do well, he's predicting them to WIN THE WEST. Why can't you guys get that through your heads?
OKC next year will be a good team, we all know that.
Lakers too.
Spurs will be part of the discussion somehow.
Grizzlies, Clippers, Mavs will most likely make the playoffs and are longshots to be a "threat".
What he's saying is that the Lakers will beat those teams and win the west. Hardly an obvious prediction, especially given the odds it's going to be at.
If the thread title were "Lakers will be a good team next year" or "Lakers will be a better team than last year" or "Lakers will win the Pacific Division" it would be a dumb thread. But that clearly isn't the topic. Or maybe since you're all so smart you can already tell me who wins the west this year?
Comment -
Approx 50% (if not more) of those that have a clue & are unbiased are picking the Lakers to win the West. It's not that difficult to pick the best team to win (like he's done 4 yrs in a row) & be correct. Why can't you understand this??He's not predicting them to do well, he's predicting them to WIN THE WEST. Why can't you guys get that through your heads?
OKC next year will be a good team, we all know that.
Lakers too.
Spurs will be part of the discussion somehow.
Grizzlies, Clippers, Mavs will most likely make the playoffs and are longshots to be a "threat".
What he's saying is that the Lakers will beat those teams and win the west. Hardly an obvious prediction, especially given the odds it's going to be at.
If the thread title were "Lakers will be a good team next year" or "Lakers will be a better team than last year" or "Lakers will win the Pacific Division" it would be a dumb thread. But that clearly isn't the topic. Or maybe since you're all so smart you can already tell me who wins the west this year?
You come off as someone that has been following basketball/sports betting for a very short period of time?? Is that correct??
The Lakers will be the odds on favorite in the West, that's a promise. Predicting them to win (correctly) is not an impressive accomplishment. Why can't you understand this??
Comment -
I'm taking the Heat to come out of the East & the Lakers to come out of the West. The Lakers will beat the Thunder in the WCF....
WHAT A FUKKIN GENIUS I AM!!! I obviously know more about basketball than anybody else here.....Comment -
That is the irony, Lakers ARE NOT the best team. Their odds also suck, so therefore it is a double edged sword here.Approx 50% (if not more) of those that have a clue & are unbiased are picking the Lakers to win the West. It's not that difficult to pick the best team to win (like he's done 4 yrs in a row) & be correct. Why can't you understand this??
You come off as someone that has been following basketball/sports betting for a very short period of time?? Is that correct??
The Lakers will be the odds on favorite in the West, that's a promise. Predicting them to win (correctly) is not an impressive accomplishment. Why can't you understand this??
Lakers are better, of course, but not THAT much better, especially if Howard misses extended time. If he cant play at all then the thread is moot, but it also makes the play even dumber.
There will be much better odds on the lakers than there are now. I would say they are around +300-350 to win the west at this point at most places. Considering the available info those odds are a joke and anyone betting them is pretty dumb. So it goes beyond "lakers are the best I am going to bet them' bravado.
Clippers IMO are more talented than the Lakers over all, theyre odds are 15-1 or so to win the west. A much better 'value'. But in terms of just looking for something 'good' to bet I would say just betting Clippers to win the Pacific would be the 'best' play. Basically it is them and the Lakers and going on the available info right now Clippers offer a lot more than the Lakers do.Comment -
You come off as someone who doesn't understand simple math.Approx 50% (if not more) of those that have a clue & are unbiased are picking the Lakers to win the West. It's not that difficult to pick the best team to win (like he's done 4 yrs in a row) & be correct. Why can't you understand this??
You come off as someone that has been following basketball/sports betting for a very short period of time?? Is that correct??
The Lakers will be the odds on favorite in the West, that's a promise. Predicting them to win (correctly) is not an impressive accomplishment. Why can't you understand this??
If you think the Lakers have a 50+% chance to win the west, then bet on them. You'll get the odds to guarantee value.
Odds on favorite does not mean having to lay juice. Or maybe you don't know how futures work.
I don't care how "obvious" the bet seems to you. You can only work with the odds you have. And the Lakers will be at +monet, I'd say between +115 and +140 to win the West.Comment -
Let me know when you place a good-sized bet on Lakers or Heat to win it all--since it's such an obvious pick--I guess if it were so obvious then books would be bankrupt giving out +200 futures on sure things.
You lose.Cause Sleep is the Cousin of DeathComment -
Lakers will not come out of the West, they will not be able to beat an exceptional and much younger team in OKC.
the combined age of the OKC starters is presently 123 yrs. (24.6 avg.) the guys that brought that nuber up were Kendrick Perkins (27) and Thabo Sefolosha (28)
the Laker starters are a fabulous 161 yrs combined (32.2 avg.) the person that brought that number way down was Howard...
if you do the rest of them alone it is a ...
aargh this is too long.. not even worth typing it up... the Lakers too damn old.
they are very famous and accomplished players all past their respective primes.. (Howard notwithstanding)
it will be impossible for them to run with men as talented as they are, and 12 years younger.. Westbrook is 15 yrs younger than Nash..
Durant is better, and 11 yrs younger.. than k0Bie..
i am afraid that there is just no way.. perkins handled Howard before when Boston it all, Ibaka is a blocking beast as well, that can shoot from further out, and can hit FTs at a higher clip than Howard,.. Lakers NO chance.
**Game OVER**. *
Comment
