How is SBR any better than The RX?

[darkhat]

ive been waiting for 5k since may 20th.. telling me its gonna be another 5/7 weeks still

doesnt seem like they are in any hurry to pay anyone

Complaints don't stop. . This book needs to be a fukkin D.

[The Kraken]

jaysus billy...you are on a different level man... you need shit outs with big limits these days...i have more money in c and d sbrrated books (not that sbrs rating means anything these days, because it doesnt) than i would like, but not everyone is a stiff and its chances that we must make in order to make a good living in the business...you are simply not on that level of gambling and theres nothing wrong with that, im not bashing or anything...im just pointing out the fact that you dont do what me, mathy and others do...you have no idea...so you shouldnt judge anyone...you look flat out silly for bitching at someone who has more money in shit books than you have life savings

RayRay tagging in with a Durito-esque strike

Well done Ray...

We're on a different level pal.

[stealthyburrito]

The outcry is deafening...

How long is SBR gonna let this go on for?

Shame there are no honest forums in this business.

[billysink]

jaysus billy...you are on a different level man... you need shit outs with big limits these days...i have more money in c and d sbrrated books (not that sbrs rating means anything these days, because it doesnt) than i would like, but not everyone is a stiff and its chances that we must make in order to make a good living in the business...you are simply not on that level of gambling and theres nothing wrong with that, im not bashing or anything...im just pointing out the fact that you dont do what me, mathy and others do...you have no idea...so you shouldnt judge anyone...you look flat out silly for bitching at someone who has more money in shit books than you have life savings

Kindly shut the fukk up whoever you think you are. I have been at this at enough levels to make your head spin and more likely for longer than you have been alive.

And before you shut the fukk up, I suggest you take your fukkin foot out of your mouth. If you and the other self made legends here make it a part of your business model to invest in said "shit books" then don't fukkin point fingers when you gotta eat a piece of it.

Carry on.

[Cougar Bait]

mods are great and have helped me out with sportsbook complaints before

no issues for me

[raydog]

its not a strike, wasnt meant to be...some people are involved with gambling for a living and some arent...the majority of the board has no clue how much the guys who gamble for a living have helped/tried to help everyone succeed...they just get called names and laughed at...ironic that its those very same guys with the largest bankrolls? i think not .....

okay, billy ... carry on... again, you are well out of your league...but its okay because you simply dont know me or mathy and obviously have it in your mind that you know whats up... ill continue to profit off the books i have money in and take my chances with some slow pays here and there... i dont mind... oh and at 40, i figure to be one of the older guys here...

[SBR_John]

Fukk you too.




No "we" don't know SBR won't help players in disputes with sponsors. You (and others) just keep saying it like parrots. Yet I see disputes with advertisers discussed and resolved almost every time in the S&I forum??

It still sounds to me like even you think the BOL rating is a matter of opinion. And not grossly out of line with what it should be.

I'm pretty sure that for new players playing offshore from the US security of funds is almost always near #1 in what they want. Pretty much any US facing book that an old timer like you can feel confident will eventually pay deserves a B imho. And if new players don't take the time to do a simple search and find out about the pay delays, whatever a site like SBR says, I don't feel too sorry for them.

This place is a business. But it seems like many people from the land of capitalism resent them making money! (which might be partly understandable if not for SBR giving so much back in contest prizes and points etc)

This is pretty much it. Well said.

As mathy said we work with A and B books to resolve all disputes and quick to cut books who are weak. It doesn't always work. We tried our best with WSEX which was an A+ that we steadily downgraded to an F. BOL will fall if we determine their current problems are not temporary.

There are always a few posters who need a crusade simply to have one. Makes them feel important.

Posters railed against A+ stalwarts Pinnacle, who was the 1st to bounce checks, and Bookmaker(who's owner took a trip to the big house) in the past, claimed the end of offshore and SBR and then faded away. Here we are again with a few posters who have no other knowledge than reading a few posts become crusaders. It kills a little time.

[Chi_archie]

Billy, Ray has been gambling for like 30+ years. He knows a thing or two about a thing or two. Guy derives his living "in the game"

[Br0nxer]

has sbr issued an official response to this yet

not seeing it anywhere

[billysink]

its not a strike, wasnt meant to be...some people are involved with gambling for a living and some arent...the majority of the board has no clue how much the guys who gamble for a living have helped/tried to help everyone succeed...they just get called names and laughed at...ironic that its those very same guys with the largest bankrolls? i think not ...

That is pretty funny right there.

[CanuckG]

Fukk you too.




No "we" don't know SBR won't help players in disputes with sponsors. You (and others) just keep saying it like parrots. Yet I see disputes with advertisers discussed and resolved almost every time in the S&I forum??

It still sounds to me like even you think the BOL rating is a matter of opinion. And not grossly out of line with what it should be.

I'm pretty sure that for new players playing offshore from the US security of funds is almost always near #1 in what they want. Pretty much any US facing book that an old timer like you can feel confident will eventually pay deserves a B imho. And if new players don't take the time to do a simple search and find out about the pay delays, whatever a site like SBR says, I don't feel too sorry for them.

This place is a business. But it seems like many people from the land of capitalism resent them making money! (which might be partly understandable if not for SBR giving so much back in contest prizes and points etc)

First bolded part is false.

Yeah shady books paying SBR for a good rating. Who would want to resent that?

[billysink]

Billy, Ray has been gambling for like 30+ years. He knows a thing or two about a thing or two. Guy derives his living "in the game"

Don't really give a fukk Arch. He wants to play me cheap, he can take some too.

Fukkin funny shooters like Ray wanna label someone they never heard of before two weeks ago.

[jjgold]

That Zeta photo is hilarious

[Chi_archie]

More passion in eliminating racism (read N word) crusades or more passion in maintaining same level of book ffeedback to the common poster as it was 4-7 years ago crusade?

I get it that when all said and done this place can be run any which way the owner chooses. But let's keep the punches up in regards to assigning motives and labeling "crusades" just because a discussion was initiated. The type of discussion that kept this place thriving until retard power posters like Archie showed upto distract the ADHD crop of gamblers Of today.

[Chi_archie]

Don't really give a fukk Arch. He wants to play me cheap, he can take some too.

Fukkin funny shooters like Ray wanna label someone they never heard of before two weeks ago.

To be fair you did the same to him

[billysink]

This is pretty much it. Well said.

As mathy said we work with A and B books to resolve all disputes and quick to cut books who are weak. It doesn't always work. We tried our best with WSEX which was an A+ that we steadily downgraded to an F. BOL will fall if we determine their current problems are not temporary.

There are always a few posters who need a crusade simply to have one. Makes them feel important.

Posters railed against A+ stalwarts Pinnacle, who was the 1st to bounce checks, and Bookmaker(who's owner took a trip to the big house) in the past, claimed the end of offshore and SBR and then faded away. Here we are again with a few posters who have no other knowledge than reading a few posts become crusaders. It kills a little time.

Great post. It would behoove ever fukkin one of you to whom this is not just a hobby to do a little street research on who is at the back end of some of these endeavors and find out what kind of issues are there at current. Some of these operations should not be touched with a ten foot pole right now.

[jjgold]

Pinnacle and Bookmaker are on a numbers scale 90 and above

Betonline is like 62 or so

Its obvious they have issues and not correcting them

I will make more vids exposing them unless guys paid

[The Kraken]

John, get off Archies account

[raydog]

That is pretty funny right there.

if i fed some inaccurate info, billy, i would be the first to admit it... guys like ganch, durito, mf, mathy etc...have always tried to help the board...its only when the boards stupidity becomes too much to handle, do people get snapped off...
dunno why you went all personal attack on mathy...all he is saying is that sbr keeps sweeping a lot of of bol shit under the carpet and their rating system is suffering because of it...if you want to keep bashing him for asking questions, have at it... im sure you have him near suicide already...

[billysink]

if i fed some inaccurate info, billy, i would be the first to admit it... guys like ganch, durito, mf, mathy etc...have always tried to help the board...its only when the boards stupidity becomes too much to handle, do people get snapped off...
dunno why you went all personal attack on mathy...all he is saying is that sbr keeps sweeping a lot of of bol shit under the carpet and their rating system is suffering because of it...if you want to keep bashing him for asking questions, have at it... im sure you have him near suicide already...

Not my point pal. Read this again and again till you get it:

If you and the other self made legends here make it a part of your business model to invest in said "shit books" then don't fukkin point fingers when you gotta eat a piece of it.

It has been common knowledge since late 2009 that BOL was in trouble. All the shadows, smoke and mirrors since that time have been buyer beware. Same crew, hidden captain.

I can't help you folks any more.

Do your homework.

[mathdotcom]

This is pretty much it. Well said.

As mathy said we work with A and B books to resolve all disputes and quick to cut books who are weak. It doesn't always work. We tried our best with WSEX which was an A+ that we steadily downgraded to an F. BOL will fall if we determine their current problems are not temporary.

There are always a few posters who need a crusade simply to have one. Makes them feel important.

Posters railed against A+ stalwarts Pinnacle, who was the 1st to bounce checks, and Bookmaker(who's owner took a trip to the big house) in the past, claimed the end of offshore and SBR and then faded away. Here we are again with a few posters who have no other knowledge than reading a few posts become crusaders. It kills a little time.

Is it correct to interpret this as, "We like to give books the benefit of the doubt... but if they are sponsor books then we really give them the benefit of the doubt."

I'd like to see some random B- or C book slowpay so many people and not be dropped to at least a D.

[mathdotcom]

Also, when can we expect this fact finding mission in Panama to be completed?

With the industry consolidating so much and posters looking for some outs for NFL (but having few choices), it would be nice to have this done sooner rather than later.

[Grits n' Gravy]

I may not care for Mathy as a poster but if the book owes him they need to man up and pay the guy what is rightfully his. If they don't he should be allowed to bad mouth them as he pleases without catching shit from other posters. Shit like this makes me happy to have solid locals in Macau and outs in Vegas and other states.

[paranoyd androyd]

ive been waiting for 5k since may 20th.. telling me its gonna be another 5/7 weeks still

doesnt seem like they are in any hurry to pay anyone

do you have a complaint filed?

[raydog]

Not my point pal. Read this again and again till you get it:

If you and the other self made legends here make it a part of your business model to invest in said "shit books" then don't fukkin point fingers when you gotta eat a piece of it.

It has been common knowledge since late 2009 that BOL was in trouble. All the shadows, smoke and mirrors since that time have been buyer beware. Same crew, hidden captain.

I can't help you folks any more.

Do your homework.

again, you are missing the entire point... how are people to know that bol is a "shit book" when sbr has them rated at B+ and are doing nothing more than ignoring the constant complaints... i suppose when their last check is paid to sbr, sbr will come back and say "we had to wait to get all the facts" and then bash them themselves to make things look better... its very bad business and overly obvious what is going on

[billysink]

I may not care for Mathy as a poster but if the book owes him they need to man up and pay the guy what is rightfully his. If they don't he should be allowed to bad mouth them as he pleases without catching shit from other posters. Shit like this makes me happy to have solid locals in Macau and outs in Vegas and other states.

Gritter if I sound like I am giving Mathy shit here. I made a valid point and I am sure even Mathy knows what point I was making. Mathy or anyone else should be paid, absolutely. Sux that he is grinding on a slow pay.

You make a very valid point here and it is the same one I have been pushing here. Make sure your outs are solid. Do your homework. Or eat the risk if you take it.

Mathy of all people knew, or should have known what was common knowledge here. After the ringleaders of BOL and a few other "family" books took a ride, it was best to avoid them. That shit is still for the most part not finished. Buyer beware.

[Chi_archie]

Do your homework?

That is the premise of this site... They do the homework we can't

then tell the common gambler who came here for "cliff notes" whilst doing homework.

[billysink]

again, you are missing the entire point... how are people to know that bol is a "shit book" when sbr has them rated at B+ and are doing nothing more than ignoring the constant complaints... i suppose when their last check is paid to sbr, sbr will come back and say "we had to wait to get all the facts" and then bash them themselves to make things look better... its very bad business and overly obvious what is going on

Not gonna argue with that. I stated earlier. Do your own homework. You guys have both been quoted as saying you play at "shit" and "incompetent" outs. I don't see that advertised here. You must have done a little fact finding and taken the risk anyway.

A guy like you and another like Mathy did not chose to play at these types of books on a rating from SBR. Who the fukk you trying to kid. Archie. whom I think may have more than a clue, tells me that you have been at this for 30 years. You don't do anything on someone else's word, you would not have lasted this long.

Trying to make a score has its risks and you and Mathy have made those risks a cost of doing business. For you two SBR should not be in the line of fire here. If you were a two bit guy playing nickels, I would buy that.

So which is it. Shooters don't take shots. They have no need.

[raydog]

its all good, billy...i see your point as well and its always a concern...but having 3 or 4 books doesnt cut it for some and yes, there are risks to be taken...and when a watchdog site has a book rated highly and constantly plays dumb when some shit is going bad, its good to have posters who can educate the forum that the book shouldnt be rated that high... they were consistently paying me, not long ago.... its not a players fault if they run good and build a large roll at a place either... some guys have been waiting for big payouts, long before there were obvious problems like we have been seeing lately...

the wealthiest guys i know that gamble offshore have a lot of questionable books funded... ill leave it at that

[billysink]

Do your homework?

That is the premise of this site... They do the homework we can't

then tell the common gambler who came here for "cliff notes" whilst doing homework.

Arch.

What businessman is gonna leave 100+ dimes in an out without doing their homework.

What shooter is gonna take shots at a shit shop and not be willing to eat the fukkin snide.

I am calling piss here.

It is one or the other.

[billysink]

its all good, billy...i see your point as well and its always a concern...but having 3 or 4 books doesnt cut it for some and yes, there are risks to be taken...and when a watchdog site has a book rated highly and constantly plays dumb when some shit is going bad, its good to have posters who can educate the forum that the book shouldnt be rated that high... they were consistently paying me, not long ago.... its not a players fault if they run good and build a large roll at a place either... some guys have been waiting for big payouts, long before there were obvious problems

Good here Ray, we are straight. Good you guys are forcing the issue for small timers if that is the case here. We are all in this together.

This shit has no business of yours or Mathy's. Big time shot takers don't need the SBR's of the world.

Man this shit makes me laugh. 25 years ago when I was cheekin some dudes wife in his own living room when he got home from work, for the 5 large he owed, all that bitch had to do was call SBR.

Carry on gents and good luck with your plays.

[a4u2fear]

BOLdoesnt even sponsor contests anymore.

[wantitall4moi]

The funny part is people actually think these sites matter in terms of credibility. Here is a hint THEY NEVER EVER mattered. They ALL took money in advertising from these books and then were supposed to magically rate them with no bias? ha hahahahaha good one.

The fact that SBR has even pretended to be more legit is the biggest joke. Shrink never made any bones about it, but people were still dumb enough to fall for it when he said he visited these places he knew the guys and they had 'deep pockets' or thatthey were all safe. I dont know of one place he personally endorsed that didnt stiff guys that posted up there. But people still thought the guy walked on water.

RX never changed even after he left. They just switched people who sold the same bullshit lines that Shrink did.

SBR is no different, except it is run by anonymous guys who are aliases of aliases. Other than Daringly (justin7) no one really knows who anyone is or what sort of credentials they have in terms of offshore acumen. Just a bunch of made up names with made up stories backing them. So many stories no one knows where anyhting lies.

But ultimately it doesnt matter, anyone posting any money up with any offshore book now, especially those catering to US customers, is a braindead idiot. They deserve what they get. When you have the shit books that SBR promotes as A books getting A rating you know the shit has hit the fan, because 8 years ago none of these so called A books would make anyone's top 25 let alone top 3 or 5 they do now.

With football season fast approaching it is weird that books would be doing this as they are all jockeying to suck up the money of guys who dont know a damn thing about offshore gambling. So if they are jeopardizing that image now just how bad are they financially?

My best advice find a local, if you cant bet with a local find another source of entertainment. But for most guys that would be the best suggestion anyway since I am sure no one here makes any money at all and in most cases lose what little bit of 'entertainment' money that actually can scrape together in the first place.

The final way to look at it when you get stiffed is you would have lost it eventually anyway so the book stiffing you is simply cutting out the middleman.

[Chi_archie]

Arch.

What businessman is gonna leave 100+ dimes in an out without doing their homework.

What shooter is gonna take shots at a shit shop and not be willing to eat the fukkin snide.

I am calling piss here.

It is one or the other.

Yeah I hear ya there. I know most of the big volume line shoppers just have money everywhere. More off lines at the shit books they aren't limited at yet.


I still say it's the small timer/ rec guy that is gonna get screwed. I came here years ago as a lurker doing my homework after a bad check from sportsBook.cthere was a ton of info a feedback then. Now apparently info provided is just labeled a "crusade" by the owner. TTimes have changed, sucks to be a little guy. But hey points are awesome! And Bateman is back. So there is THAT!

[QuantumLeap]

Math with a decent thread for once

Agreed. Gotta give the guy credit.