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  • frogsrangers
    Restricted User
    • 04-25-12
    • 5792

    #316
    Some changes for now, I am going to temporarily stop posting the raw numbers as I aim to make some tweaks/changes for now. Until then, I will just do write ups on what I can gain from my data. Today's writeups:

    Mets @ Giants

    The final game in this series, the Giants are stone cold on offense. They haven't been able to get anything done lately. Will that change today against Chris Young? I don't think so. This umpire has as wide of a strike zone as any(O 6 U 14), so its going to be tough to break out of that funk today with him behind the plate. This Giants offense is reeling. But on the other side, Barry Zito pitches at home today, and during the day, where he has fared better. The Mets aren't the best team hitting either off speed pitches or lefties. I think this is another low scoring grind it out affair. Play the Under 7.5 for 1 unit

    Phillies @ Nationals

    Against left handers this season, the Phillies have not looked good. And against Hamels this season, the Nationals have not looked good. After scoring two first inning runs last night, the Nationals offense fell flat on its face, unable to get anything else against an average pitcher in Vance Worely. I think this funk carries over into tonight's contest. Both pitchers are pitching well, and both offenses are struggling to get things done. Play Under 7.5 for 1 unit

    Toronto @ Oakland

    The posted total kind of took me by surprise here. What do the oddsmakers know that we don't? Henderson Alvarez hasn't been the sharpest pitcher as of late. And though the A's offense was cooled off by the Rays yesterday, they are still hot, and the left handed bats should be able to tee off on a developing pitcher like Alvarez. Bartolo Colon pitched well in his last start, but prior to that was not unhittable, and his home ERA is still north of 5. I think a 7.5 total is giving these pitchers too much credit, especially with the recent hitting ability both teams have shown. Yes, the Blue Jays were embarrased in Seattle, but they have new life in Oakland. The question is this, will both teams be able to score 4 runs each? I think, yes, yes they can. Play Over 7.5 for 2 units.

    Minnesota @ Boston

    This season, Samuel Deduno has been one of those pitchers who as exceeded expectations, but the expectation bar set for him was not high. He has been fairly efficient this season. He hasn't had a bad start yet. But Fenway Park is a known ballpark for giving opposing pitchers a reality check. I think that reality check will hit Samuel Deduno tonight. I don't think he will be a complete gas can, but he will have an inning that he gives up at least 5. Jon Lester, on the other hand, continues to be hit or miss. His last 4 starts have been miserable. But if there is a team to face to right the ship, its the Twins. Unfortunately, with a 7.39 home ERA and a bad outing against the Twins already this year, I am not sure if he will do well enough to keep the total from going over. Play Over 10 for 1 unit.

    St. Louis @ Colorado

    Another high total at Coors Field. What else is new? It makes complete sense, though. No matter who the Rockies trot out on that mound, its been a disaster. This is perhaps the worst pitching staff in the history of baseball. No one can seem to figure out how to pitch for the Rockies, especially at home. And with the National League's best offense in town, it will be another long night for Rockies pitching. Alex White will not be able to solve the Cardinals. If the Astros can light up Alex White, I see no reason why the Cardinals can't. For the Cards, Lance Lynn is on the mound. Lynn has been good, at home. He shut out the Rockies in 6 innings in St. Louis. But at Coors Field, its a different story. It's not a good park for a pitcher with a negative ground ball to fly ball ratio to have a good game. Though I think the Cardinals could make this game go over by themselves, I think the Rockies will be able to pitch in too. Play Over 11 for 2 units.
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    • alta
      SBR MVP
      • 09-08-06
      • 1457

      #317
      Thought you're focus was on unders. That's where the winning profit was coming from in your system.
      you were not even playing the overs from your system
      Now I see you're putting more units into overs.
      Somethings Changed...
      but no explanation or reasoning as to why...
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      • frogsrangers
        Restricted User
        • 04-25-12
        • 5792

        #318
        Originally posted by alta
        Thought you're focus was on unders. That's where the winning profit was coming from in your system.
        you were not even playing the overs from your system
        Now I see you're putting more units into overs.
        Somethings Changed...
        but no explanation or reasoning as to why...
        I was winning with the unders when unders in general were hitting at a 75% clip. Another poster pointed out that blind betting unders during that span would have profited no matter what.

        Now overs are starting to hit more often so have to roll with the shift and find out what makes a game go over as well.
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        • High3rEl3m3nt
          SBR Hall of Famer
          • 09-28-10
          • 8022

          #319
          Frogs, thread is getting strange. Is not this thread about totalcon? Your write-ups are based on personal bias, which may or may not be right. Not trying to be a j-ass, but your explanations for your total plays are pretty shallow.

          The thing is, how can you know whether your program is right or wrong with such a small sample under its belt? If anything, you should post the numbers and possibly integrate a situational adjustment E.g. humidity is worth a fraction of a run, temp another fraction of run, recent offensive performance another franction and so on. Maybe even a pitcher performance post the All-star break can factor into the projection and you or me, can conduct a deviation from the norm projection based on several variables.
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          • frogsrangers
            Restricted User
            • 04-25-12
            • 5792

            #320
            Originally posted by High3rEl3m3nt
            Frogs, thread is getting strange. Is not this thread about totalcon? Your write-ups are based on personal bias, which may or may not be right. Not trying to be a j-ass, but your explanations for your total plays are pretty shallow.

            The thing is, how can you know whether your program is right or wrong with such a small sample under its belt? If anything, you should post the numbers and possibly integrate a situational adjustment E.g. humidity is worth a fraction of a run, temp another fraction of run, recent offensive performance another franction and so on. Maybe even a pitcher performance post the All-star break can factor into the projection and you or me, can conduct a deviation from the norm projection based on several variables.
            Your are right for the most part, I am not going to abandon it, but this weekend I am going to do some testing behind the scenes and things will be back to normal on Monday.

            The plays I made today are still based on the factors though

            NYM/SF had a factor of -2.103
            PHI/WAS had a factor of -1.906
            OAK/TOR had a factor of 1.760
            MIN/BOS had a factor of 2.713
            STL/COL had a factor of 6.956
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            • High3rEl3m3nt
              SBR Hall of Famer
              • 09-28-10
              • 8022

              #321
              Frogs, but with such a small sample under its belt, how can you know what to adjust, or what to test? Priming totalcon might be a mistake without being absolutely confident that it is completely off.
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              • frogsrangers
                Restricted User
                • 04-25-12
                • 5792

                #322
                Originally posted by High3rEl3m3nt
                Frogs, but with such a small sample under its belt, how can you know what to adjust, or what to test? Priming totalcon might be a mistake without being absolutely confident that it is completely off.
                You know what, you are right. The sample size isn't big enough yet to make a judgement. I think I am just over reacting and panicking due to the recent losing streak. I think I should let it run until the end of the season and then make adjustments(if needed) in the offseason.

                Things will be back to normal tomorrow
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                • frogsrangers
                  Restricted User
                  • 04-25-12
                  • 5792

                  #323
                  I think I will still do the writeups though, and perhaps add more detail to the numbers I post(i.e. show what is behind why the number is what it is)
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                  • High3rEl3m3nt
                    SBR Hall of Famer
                    • 09-28-10
                    • 8022

                    #324
                    Frogs, just don't bet the games and you won't panick. Maybe, just collect data, such as the number of runs off of the projected total that it is projecting. Maybe gather additional data that might explain differences. I think humidity, temp, day games/ vs. night games, and ball park trends might be important considerations that might not be accounted for.
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                    • frogsrangers
                      Restricted User
                      • 04-25-12
                      • 5792

                      #325
                      Originally posted by High3rEl3m3nt
                      Frogs, just don't bet the games and you won't panick. Maybe, just collect data, such as the number of runs off of the projected total that it is projecting. Maybe gather additional data that might explain differences. I think humidity, temp, day games/ vs. night games, and ball park trends might be important considerations that might not be accounted for.
                      I think that is part of why I am panicking. I started to wager real money on these games last Monday. I went 15-5 and won 9 units the first two days. But ever since its been downhill and I have lost 17 units. So I lost all my winnings and then some.

                      I should just not bet real money on them for the rest of the season, unless it looks like a really good play.

                      I already factor in humidity and temperature into the equation, but the question is how much weight does it get?

                      Park Factors are also included

                      Do not factor in day/night but probably should.

                      Another thing I do is I use overall season stats for the most part, though I do include past 7 games it does not get nearly as much weight as the overall season stats. For example the Mariners lately have been hitting much better, but my system still liked them under the past 2 nights because their season hitting numbers at home are still lousy. My system projected them to score 1.7 runs last night, but if I used more recent data it would be higher and perhaps under would not have been the play.
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                      • High3rEl3m3nt
                        SBR Hall of Famer
                        • 09-28-10
                        • 8022

                        #326
                        How much weight are you currently giving for humidity and temp?
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                        • igrok
                          SBR High Roller
                          • 04-06-12
                          • 156

                          #327
                          Hi Frogs,
                          just watched some stats regarding your plays:
                          NYM/SF had a factor of -2.103:
                          NYM on the total in All games against left-handed starters is 29 Overs and 8 Unders this season.
                          NYM on the total in All games as a road underdog of +100 to +125 is 30 Overs and 9 Unders for the last two seasons
                          PHI/WAS had a factor of -1.906:
                          PHI on the total in All games when playing against a team with a winning record is 38 Overs and 18 Unders this season
                          PHI on the total in All games in games played on a grass field the record is 61 Overs and 37 Unders this season
                          OAK/TOR had a factor of 1.760
                          OAK on the total in Home games against right-handed starters is 10 Overs and 26 Unders this season
                          MIN/BOS had a factor of 2.713
                          BOS on the total in Home games against right-handed starters is 57 Overs and 31 Unders for the last two seasons
                          STL/COL had a factor of 6.956
                          COL on the total in Home games when playing against a team with a winning record is 41 Overs and 18 Unders for the last two seasons

                          Maybe you should try to factor into your system also such stats. The interesting thing is, that only the STL/COL and MIN/BOS is also OVER according to your system, all others are opposite....maybe it helps....and keep on your work!
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                          • fitguy67
                            SBR Hall of Famer
                            • 03-13-11
                            • 5082

                            #328
                            all of the concerns on this page could be addressed with one thing...backtesting...altho' labor-intensive and a big job, it takes care of all the "insufficient sample size" issues in one fell swoop...so you REALLY know your if you're onto something...and if/how it should be tweaked

                            ...maybe some of SBR's numbers-weenies could help out with that, FR...a lot of the posters on this great thread...



                            will likely have on hand brilliant mlb data sets...and might be willing to help run your admittedly-rather-straightforward system thru the last few seasons...
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                            • EXhoosier10
                              SBR MVP
                              • 07-06-09
                              • 3122

                              #329
                              Originally posted by frogsrangers
                              I think that is part of why I am panicking. I started to wager real money on these games last Monday. I went 15-5 and won 9 units the first two days. But ever since its been downhill and I have lost 17 units. So I lost all my winnings and then some.

                              I should just not bet real money on them for the rest of the season, unless it looks like a really good play.

                              I already factor in humidity and temperature into the equation, but the question is how much weight does it get?

                              Park Factors are also included

                              Do not factor in day/night but probably should.

                              Another thing I do is I use overall season stats for the most part, though I do include past 7 games it does not get nearly as much weight as the overall season stats. For example the Mariners lately have been hitting much better, but my system still liked them under the past 2 nights because their season hitting numbers at home are still lousy. My system projected them to score 1.7 runs last night, but if I used more recent data it would be higher and perhaps under would not have been the play.
                              This should definitely be a giant red flag. The team total bet for Seattle on Wednesday was either 3 or 3.5. Judging by the +115 on the under7, the odds of those unders were probably -110 or better. In essence, vegas was saying there's a 50/50 chance that they score below 3/3.5 or above that number. Your model projecting 1.7 shows a humongous gap in projection v. reality.

                              Obviously you weight things differently than vegas is doing, and maybe that is profitable, but this is definitely something you should figure out before betting real money. The mariners are averaging 3.15 r/g at home, and they're hitting well. Also, they were facing Carlos Villanueva with a neutral ump in a night game (day game shadows lead to a lot of unders at safeco).

                              I don't know what your weights are for each factor, but i'd definitely look into something and ask yourself how often a team is actually projected for '1.7' runs.
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                              • ttrace35
                                SBR Posting Legend
                                • 09-30-10
                                • 10828

                                #330
                                This nerd shit never works. Just pick winners.
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                                • starbuck2233
                                  SBR Hustler
                                  • 02-02-11
                                  • 54

                                  #331
                                  system

                                  Appreciate your posts and efforts,I hear ya,but,I agree with the dude that said these systems and ploys never bring steady profits.Just play what you think.......
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                                  • rfr3sh
                                    SBR Posting Legend
                                    • 11-07-09
                                    • 10229

                                    #332
                                    what about barometric pressure
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                                    • frogsrangers
                                      Restricted User
                                      • 04-25-12
                                      • 5792

                                      #333
                                      -5.668 ARI/PHI
                                      -3.816 MIN/BOS
                                      -0.215 SEA/NYY
                                      -0.087 PIT/CIN
                                      OFF MIA/WAS (Game 1)
                                      OFF TOR/OAK
                                      0.346 CLE/DET
                                      0.864 HOU/ATL
                                      1.039 MIA/WAS (Game 2)
                                      1.134 BAL/TAM
                                      1.443 NYM/SD
                                      3.588 MIL/STL
                                      3.888 CHC/LAD
                                      4.024 SF/COL
                                      4.394 LAA/CHW
                                      9.329 TEX/KC
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                                      • High3rEl3m3nt
                                        SBR Hall of Famer
                                        • 09-28-10
                                        • 8022

                                        #334
                                        Hopefully it's read on the Boston Minny game is right...snagged U 10.5 last night. Going for two unders in a row in that series.
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                                        • frogsrangers
                                          Restricted User
                                          • 04-25-12
                                          • 5792

                                          #335
                                          Time to get back to winning

                                          Plays today are:

                                          ARI/PHI U 8.5
                                          MIN/BOS U 10.5
                                          SEA/NYY U 9
                                          LAA/CHW O 9
                                          NYM/SD O 6.5
                                          TOR/OAK O 7
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                                          • ronald
                                            SBR MVP
                                            • 10-31-05
                                            • 4919

                                            #336
                                            Why aren't you playing TEX/KC?
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                                            • frogsrangers
                                              Restricted User
                                              • 04-25-12
                                              • 5792

                                              #337
                                              3-2-1 yesterday

                                              Nice to have a winning day for once

                                              Would have been 4-2 if CC didnt serve up that 9th inning gopherball to the M's for a 2 run shot
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                                              • frogsrangers
                                                Restricted User
                                                • 04-25-12
                                                • 5792

                                                #338
                                                Originally posted by ronald
                                                Why aren't you playing TEX/KC?
                                                All the trends pointed to UNDER

                                                One thing I am experimenting with is running by the total with the trends to make sure its not going against headwinds
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                                                • kfranz31
                                                  SBR MVP
                                                  • 02-09-10
                                                  • 1186

                                                  #339
                                                  keep up the good work....gotta remember no system is 100% just as long as you win
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                                                  • frogsrangers
                                                    Restricted User
                                                    • 04-25-12
                                                    • 5792

                                                    #340
                                                    -5.699 bal/tam
                                                    -4.011 tor/oak
                                                    -3.428 ari/phi
                                                    -2.566 hou/atl
                                                    -2.318 nym/sd
                                                    -0.915 pit/cin
                                                    -0.375 chc/lad
                                                    -0.018 mia/was
                                                    0.182 sea/nyy
                                                    0.776 min/bos
                                                    1.836 cle/det
                                                    2.272 mil/stl
                                                    3.487 laa/chw
                                                    7.737 sf/col
                                                    10.591 tex/kc
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                                                    • frogsrangers
                                                      Restricted User
                                                      • 04-25-12
                                                      • 5792

                                                      #341
                                                      Plays:

                                                      BAL/TAM U 8
                                                      TOR/OAK U 7.5
                                                      ARI/PHI U 8
                                                      MIA/WAS U 7.5
                                                      MIL/STL O 9
                                                      LAA/CHW O 10
                                                      TEX/KC O 10
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                                                      • The Kraken
                                                        BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                                        • 12-25-11
                                                        • 28918

                                                        #342
                                                        You've always got an excuse when you lose, sound like you've been betting all of about 2 years.

                                                        However when you win games you shouldn't have, it was because of your totalCON calcualtor doing it's job

                                                        Quit fukking whining over your losses Frogger.

                                                        Your chucking darts her and were told that well before your 19-2 run, that had nothing to do with your calculator, it was a trend that just happened to play out when you started your thread.

                                                        I think most guys see you have nothing here. I hope you see this as constructive criticism. It will help us remain close accquaintances in the future. However in reality, I'm just being a dikk and kicking you when your down.

                                                        GL on tomorrows games. I'm prediciting a 2-3-1 day
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                                                        • CHR1S
                                                          SBR High Roller
                                                          • 05-20-12
                                                          • 106

                                                          #343
                                                          Do the numbers account for recent production from the pitchers and the teams?
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                                                          • Smutbucket
                                                            SBR MVP
                                                            • 03-14-08
                                                            • 3998

                                                            #344
                                                            there you go kraken being an idiot again.

                                                            win games he shouldnt have? please explain? totalcon did its job the games he won, the numbers agreed with certain situational scenarios that he picked. thats how this system can be effective, you idiot, thats what he said in first place, and thats all this calculator does....even claimed he intended to do...

                                                            ur ******* small ass brain is too dumb to realize that, or you just didnt read this thread entirely and just like throwing in your useless opinion.....
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                                                            • matt711
                                                              SBR MVP
                                                              • 07-09-12
                                                              • 2289

                                                              #345
                                                              Kraken..... another expert
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                                                              • CHR1S
                                                                SBR High Roller
                                                                • 05-20-12
                                                                • 106

                                                                #346
                                                                4-3
                                                                Luckily I picked your winners in a parlay. Keep up the solid work
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                                                                • frogsrangers
                                                                  Restricted User
                                                                  • 04-25-12
                                                                  • 5792

                                                                  #347
                                                                  Top 4 factors all went under
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                                                                  • 19th Hole
                                                                    SBR Posting Legend
                                                                    • 03-22-09
                                                                    • 18957

                                                                    #348
                                                                    Good Luck to you and your system.
                                                                    I can't believe that others with nothing to offer
                                                                    can criticize what you do.
                                                                    Go forward!
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                                                                    • frogsrangers
                                                                      Restricted User
                                                                      • 04-25-12
                                                                      • 5792

                                                                      #349
                                                                      Spammer be gone
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                                                                      • frogsrangers
                                                                        Restricted User
                                                                        • 04-25-12
                                                                        • 5792

                                                                        #350
                                                                        Since I was up all night fixing my phone, I slept through the morning and did not wake up in time to run the numbers before the games started. However, here were the numbers for today:

                                                                        -3.488 ARI/PHI
                                                                        -2.079 BAL/TAM
                                                                        -2.241 TOR/OAK
                                                                        -1.009 PIT/CIN
                                                                        OFF DET/CLE
                                                                        1.105 MIA/WAS
                                                                        1.109 CHC/LAD
                                                                        2.284 MIL/STL
                                                                        2.844 LAA/CHW
                                                                        3.027 NYM/SD
                                                                        4.751 MIN/BOS
                                                                        5.629 HOU/ATL
                                                                        6.816 SEA/NYY
                                                                        6.819 TEX/KC
                                                                        9.698 SF/COL
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