Ganchrow Now Works at Heritage

[durito]

you aren't going up "against Ganch" you are still just going up against the market as a whole

ganch's main value to Heritage is in risk management

copy pinnacle, add juice, give delays and limits to steam players/winners. sounds like a fun job.

[jjgold]

Durito is that what Heritage does?

[durito]

Durito is that what Heritage does?

yes, unless somethings changed in the 2 months since i stopped bothering to play there.

[Winner_13]

Never heard of a guy that got limited at Pinnacle
That cannot be true

JJ, you need to look more deeply into this matter.
There are ppl on this forum who have gotten limited by pinny in the less liquid markets.
Also pinny has 2 sets of limits one for the ppl they think are squares, and one for sharper ppl.

[shari91]

JJ, you need to look more deeply into this matter.
There are ppl on this forum who have gotten limited by pinny in the less liquid markets.
Also pinny has 2 sets of limits one for the ppl they think are squares, and one for sharper ppl.

That's actually true because I was on the square end of it and had to bet on another account to get a different line. I should say it just could've been the case of the line changing quickly but this happened like 6 or 7 times when both laptops were right next to each other on markets that don't normally get touched much. Funnily enough the "square" dog lines paid off most of the time, go figure.

[wantitall4moi]

LOL at some of the stuff in this thread.

If he is actually in on the lines side of the game he is basically a book keeper. he probably sold them on some equation he had that would help them evaluate their risks when they tabulate every bet they take across all areas likes spread, half time, ML, parlays, teasers etc. So they know how much risk they have at any given time.

But with these small time books who dont take a lot of action it is a catch 22. They dont take enough action to hope to balance themselves off and therefore arent really at a huge risk. Hell heritage probably doesnt take enough action that they couldnt lay it off through another book.

All these small time rinky dink dumps could have an 8th grader doing this shit.


Step 1. Log into DB lines or just log into Pinnacle
Step 2 match line and configure the vig
Step 3 continue to watch the screen

Emergency management, if too much action one way lay off what you need to balance as best you can.

Like I have said a million times, there are no book MAKERS anymore just book KEEPERS. Just about all of them make moves on air and do the best they can to keep in line with the standard bearers of the industry. Sometimes places do get stuck a little and that is why for a small window they will offer aline that isnt a complete clone of someplace else.

Obviously the more options you offer the more you have to pay attention, but for the most part straight side and total bets are the vast majority of the handle. So while it is nice to know how much teaser and parlay and exotic action you have it isnt nearly important enough to make or break you. or wouldnt be if these places actually had enough money to pay players in the first place.

I am sure once heritage got all the Greek and Bet Jm guys transferred in they probably got in a little over their heads with trying to offer too many options that they had no clue how to tabulate or price. Thats why I say I imagine he went in with an algorithm or equation or some mathematical mumbo jumbo that connvinced them he could help them with their risks.

The true test of how well it works will be how the books does going forward. But like I say the action they take is so minimal I doubt it makes a difference at all even if it does work.

[wantitall4moi]

As far as Pinnacle and dealing dual lines, NEVER EVER happened. I had multiple accounts there all betting different things and different amount I never ever saw any dual lines. They would however put limits on accounts in certain sports. So in some areas some limit profiling was done but they never ever gave guys different lines. Same spread same vig across the board. Anyone that claims they dealt dual lines is straight up lying.

[durito]

That's actually true because I was on the square end of it and had to bet on another account to get a different line. I should say it just could've been the case of the line changing quickly but this happened like 6 or 7 times when both laptops were right next to each other on markets that don't normally get touched much. Funnily enough the "square" dog lines paid off most of the time, go figure.

he is talking about different limits. the lines should be exactly the same. their software is horrendous though so they probably werent updating properly.

[durito]

As far as Pinnacle and dealing dual lines, NEVER EVER happened. I had multiple accounts there all betting different things and different amount I never ever saw any dual lines. They would however put limits on accounts in certain sports. So in some areas some limit profiling was done but they never ever gave guys different lines. Same spread same vig across the board. Anyone that claims they dealt dual lines is straight up lying.

Lots of firsts here. First time you´ve written a post that was accurate. First time it was under 40,000 words. First time you made sense. Good job.

[Not Matt Rain]

Pretty sure the original post was intended as a joke.

No shit! :bashing:

[yisman]

Right, so what's the big deal?

[jjgold]

I see no proof where Pinny limits players as far as the major sports, tennis and soccer

Dual Lines??? Hard to say..they could be clever with line manipulation , I doubt they do it

Ganch was not limited, I would book that kids action

[grantingyou]

Just another reason to take them up on their offer of inviting SBR members, you could be dealing with one of the most knowledgeable Mods/Posters in SBR history.

Actually Ganch was mentioned in the USAToday before the Superbowl as "Head Linesman".

[Scooter]

That's actually true because I was on the square end of it and had to bet on another account to get a different line. I should say it just could've been the case of the line changing quickly but this happened like 6 or 7 times when both laptops were right next to each other on markets that don't normally get touched much. Funnily enough the "square" dog lines paid off most of the time, go figure.

Shari91 - You misunderstood the post you are responding to.

He said "2 sets of LIMITS (i.e., betting limits), NOT 2 sets of LINES.
Pinny does NOT have 2 sets of lines.

[Scooter]

Winner_3 - "There are ppl on this forum who have gotten limited by pinny in the less liquid markets."

You're saying that people have been given lower limits on a specific sport or category?
Not everything lowered uniformly, but 1 sport/betting category only?

[Not Matt Rain]

Right, so what's the big deal?

Fonny post by Mr. Walker is all. :shrug:

[Shark79]

Wow, nice post dipsh t. Maybe try to have a f cking clue before you publicly embarrass yourself pretending to be someone's best f cking friend.

I guess not much can be expected from a fake bookie scared sh tless of a $500 NFL bet. On average how many $10 parlays does it take for you to afford an 8-ball? A rough estimate is fine...

Not much to say about a guy that doesnt know nothing about them two.

[Winner_13]

I see no proof where Pinny limits players as far as the major sports, tennis and soccer

Dual Lines??? Hard to say..they could be clever with line manipulation , I doubt they do it

Ganch was not limited, I would book that kids action

I would book that kids action

JJ they have 2 sets of limits.

[LT Profits]

Winner_3 - "There are ppl on this forum who have gotten limited by pinny in the less liquid markets."

You're saying that people have been given lower limits on a specific sport or category?
Not everything lowered uniformly, but 1 sport/betting category only?

Sounds about right (except "1 sport" can be "several") and that is not unusual at a lot of books (should be ALL books but some bookies are just not that bright).

[jjgold]

I would book that kids action

JJ they have 2 sets of limits.

Winner what do you mean??

[Winner_13]

Here, matchy had a thread where he posting 2nd half nba stuff.
His pinny 2nd half limits were like 5K, new accounts get 14K.

Of course u can just re bet it when line changes.

JJ all i do is teach u
Give me POTM u fuk

[shari91]

he is talking about different limits. the lines should be exactly the same. their software is horrendous though so they probably werent updating properly.

Shari91 - You misunderstood the post you are responding to.

He said "2 sets of LIMITS (i.e., betting limits), NOT 2 sets of LINES.
Pinny does NOT have 2 sets of lines.

Yeah thanks Scooter... that was a case of me reading quickly

But it was 2 sets of lines. However the numbers were better on the highly active, actually profitable, account (which was my point about the "square" number winning more than the other). That's why it didn't make any sense to me at all. However reading durito's explanation, it does now. I never knew Pinny had software lags to that extent as normally I only have one computer looking at a time. The beauty of a forum.

[jjgold]

Here, matchy had a thread where he posting 2nd half nba stuff.
His pinny 2nd half limits were like 5K, new accounts get 14K.

Of course u can just re bet it when line changes.

JJ all i do is teach u
Give me POTM u fuk

Winner so it looks like even Pinny limits people to an extent

So they are not dealing dual lines but dual limits

interesting

[RickySteve]

Not much to say about a guy that doesnt know nothing about them two.

Nice English, you pathetic bag of sh t. How about we bet who has spent more time with either of them and the loser gets shot in the neck by a taser?

[RickySteve]

Pinny gives everyone default limits and raises them from there based on expected profitability. What f cking year is this that you people are discussing this?

[zsr]

Rickysteve why do you act so tough on the forum? Do you not realize we've all seen you at the bash and know how you are in real life?

[RickySteve]

No idea who you are but there's nothing I say on the forum I wouldn't say in real life because I'm one of the dozen people here that isn't a complete phony.

[wantitall4moi]

They will deal limits on an account by account basis. From what I remember all over night limits were the same, but some accounts I had would have their max limits raised at different times than other accounts and some would have lower limits. Now these accounts had all been open for years and I cant remember when I noticed it happening, but it wasnt something they did from the start. But to me that is just smart and sensible bookmaking. That shows they are at least trying to limit action where they no guys have found advantages. But as it was the limits were not grossly small. As in they were all still 5 figure limits.

People talk like they were posting limits like these shit books that now get called top tier books in this day and age. But for the most part a general limit might be 25,000. A profiled account might have a 12500 or 15000 limit. Since 99.99999% of the guys who posted up never ever had a balance that would come close to these profiled limits I doubt very highly it would effect anyone posting here. Meaning they could have bet their whole account balance and still not gotten to these so called limited limits.

Besides this was all a topic in the think tank not too long ago where guys were claiming pinnacle was profiling accounts? Which was the usual stupidity one would expect for the so called think tank. Just more conjecture and assumptions with no basis at all.

I played at Pinnacle for 8 years. Took shots, had multiple accounts, made a lot of money. never ever did I have a single solitary issue with them. And that isnt the usual hyperbole of guys who drool over them and think theye the best thing ever because I have ben on the record as saying they arent or werent the best book out there. They just do what any legit bookmaker does, they make lines, the take action, and they let people do what they want. Mostly because they arent worried about bonus whore scammers or guys trying to get something for free out of them. If you post up the money and want to play with that they dont care what you do. Which is how it should be.

[LT Profits]

No idea who you are but there's nothing I say on the forum I wouldn't say in real life because I'm one of the dozen people here that isn't a complete phony.

So you're just a partial phony?

(Just kidding )

[TheLock]

RickySteve, call me

durito serious question, if you were a "small timer", would you post up at Heritage for MLB if you already had 5Dimes and TheGreek?

[iifold]

No matter how sharp you guys pretend to be in this thread...

You will never be the King...

Carry on...

[jgilmartin]

conjecture and assumptions with no basis at all

Pot, meet kettle.

[wantitall4moi]

Pot, meet kettle.

nope when I make a statement of fact it is based on personal knowledge. End of story. Even my opinions are based on quite a bit of experience. But in the case of Pinnacle and how they do busines I am intimately knowledgeable.

[baskets]

how can u be so rich and so bitter?

[jgilmartin]

nm.