hmm thats a good question
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BTW, if you wanted to do a comparison of Kobe in the finals when he didn't have Shaq, his numbers are something like 32 5 and 5.Comment -
The fact that you think Lebron shooting 30 percent against the spurs and scoring TWO points in crunch time the entire series against the mavs, while allowing 20 plus to Jason Terry, tells me all I need to know.Comment -
Funny you mention that, because Kobe would have gone 16-0 with Miami and won a championship.
Funny you want too compare sometimes but not others.Comment -
you can have your own opinion any time you want... but I will base my thinking on stats and fact...
stats say lebron and kobe have been equal in the finals
stats say lebron gets better in the post season... stats say kobe gets worse in the postseason
stats say lebrons stats crush kobes in the regular season
stats say lebrons stats crush kobes in the post season
So you can have your opinion all you want... Ill just rely on fact and stats to see what is true
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Ok let's rely on facts.
Stats say those Cleveland teams were by far the best teams in the league year after year after year, but Lebron was never able to win a ring? Weird. If Kobe had a team with top 5 defense, top 5 offensive rebounding, and 66 regular season wins and a 1 seed every year, he'd have 4 rings.
Stats say Lebron has been terrible in the finals, and EVEN WORSE in the 4th quarter of the finals,
Stats say when Kobe actually got his own team, instead of passing to Shaq, he puts up 32 5 and 5 in the finals.
Stats say Lebron has cost his team two championships. And Kobe would have won both those series.
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you can have your own opinion any time you want... but I will base my thinking on stats and fact...
stats say lebron and kobe have been equal in the finals
stats say lebron gets better in the post season... stats say kobe gets worse in the postseason
stats say lebrons stats crush kobes in the regular season
stats say lebrons stats crush kobes in the post season
So you can have your opinion all you want... Ill just rely on fact and stats to see what is true
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Ok let's rely on facts.
Stats say those Cleveland teams were by far the best teams in the league year after year after year, but Lebron was never able to win a ring? Weird. If Kobe had a team with top 5 defense, top 5 offensive rebounding, and 66 regular season wins and a 1 seed every year, he'd have 4 rings.
Stats say Lebron has been terrible in the finals, and EVEN WORSE in the 4th quarter of the finals,
Stats say when Kobe actually got his own team, instead of passing to Shaq, he puts up 32 5 and 5 in the finals.
Stats say Lebron has cost his team two championships. And Kobe would have won both those series.
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32 5 and 5 without Shaq
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cool story.. do his rings with shaq not count either?
he gets worse under post season pressure FACTComment -
enjoy your day... stats dont lieComment -
Lebron gets beyond worse under finals pressure. Stats don't lie. I'm not even sure what we could call his finals because there worse then even Scottie. Especially the 4th quarters, not even mentioning getting shredded by Terry.
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Stats dont lie. Enjoy your dayOk let's rely on facts.
Stats say those Cleveland teams were by far the best teams in the league year after year after year, but Lebron was never able to win a ring? Weird. If Kobe had a team with top 5 defense, top 5 offensive rebounding, and 66 regular season wins and a 1 seed every year, he'd have 4 rings.
Stats say Lebron has been terrible in the finals, and EVEN WORSE in the 4th quarter of the finals,
Stats say when Kobe actually got his own team, instead of passing to Shaq, he puts up 32 5 and 5 in the finals.
Stats say Lebron has cost his team two championships. And Kobe would have won both those series.
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again, isnt 19 7 and 7 41% basically the same as 24 5 and 5 41%? maybe you do not understand the gameComment -
Post season stats:
PPG: Lebron 28
Kobe 25.4
Assists: Lebron 7
Kobe 4.8
Rebounds: Lebron 8.4
Kobe 5.1
FG%: Lebron 46%
Kobe 44.8%
Steals: Lebron 1.7
Kobe 1.4
PER: Lebron 26.3
Kobe 22.3Comment -
Lol can't believe I didnt realize why you hate Kobe, the whole philly thing. Just saw the E-60 report on it.
But too turn into a heat fan? Come on, man. That's just sad. Support your city
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Post season stats:
PPG: Lebron 28
Kobe 25.4
Assists: Lebron 7
Kobe 4.8
Rebounds: Lebron 8.4
Kobe 5.1
FG%: Lebron 46%
Kobe 44.8%
Steals: Lebron 1.7
Kobe 1.4
PER: Lebron 26.3
Kobe 22.3Comment -
kobe is great.. i dont hate him at all
but his prime cant touch lebrons prime... and he is waaay past that prime
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Funny, because his prime has 5 rings.
Since you LOVE stats, here's one, those Cleveland teams were statistically better then those Kobe/pau teams. stats don't lie right? Top 5 D? Top 5 offensive rebounding? How could anybody NOT win a title with those numbers? Dominating the regular season year in and year out too..
Kobe would have 4 rings with those teams. Period. End of discussion.
Stats don't lie, right?Comment -
hm... top 5 d, top 5 rebounding? how did that work out for your bulls last yr? oh yea, they ran into lebronComment -
keep throwing around that team accomplishment: "rings".. any personal accomplishments go to lebron and that cant be arguedComment -
Stats don't lie right?
Team accomplishments? Well, going by the stats that dont lie, Lebron played on the best team in the league about 5 years in a row.Comment -
Personal accomplishments? Like scoring TWO points in the clutch the entire series against the mavs? Or giving up 20 plus to Terry?
Or shooting 30 percent against the spurs?
It seems too me, Lebron cost his team two championships, and the stats support that.Comment -
Big difference between a player that's on a good team vs one that's the franchise player of a bad team. The latter is going to take more shots, grab more rebounds, etc because he doesn't have as much talent around him. Not to take anything away from Love, but he's not really a player that makes those around him better, which I think is a critical defining factor when we start ranking the best players in the NBA. You can't answer this question with just a stat sheet.Comment -
I don't remember Kobe getting torched on defense every game, or disappearing in the clutch?
I remember Kobe going 5-1 in NBA finals
Lebron 0-2, and that 0-2, is solely because of his performance. Period. His 30% cost them the series against the spurs, and obviously he cost Miami a championship.
Stats don't lie.Comment -
you really need to learn the game, man. scoring 19 on THIRTY percent shooting? You think that's good?
No shit nobody else averaged more then 12, he took all the fukin shots (and missed)
Funny, if that was Kobe, all you'd be talking about is how hes a ball hog and shot 30 percent
But with Lebron you try to glorify it, unreal
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hmm didnt he lead his team in assists? isnt his shooting % in the finals the same as kobes?? I agree with everything that you are saying.. its just funny that it only matters for lebron.. yet when kobe is the same, you glorify him. You need to look at it from an outside view looking at both players, not just with your hate on lebron and your mancrush on kobe you really need to learn the game, man. scoring 19 on THIRTY percent shooting? You think that's good?
No shit nobody else averaged more then 12, he took all the fukin shots (and missed)
Funny, if that was Kobe, all you'd be talking about is how hes a ball hog and shot 30 percent
But with Lebron you try to glorify it, unrealComment -
This pretty much sums it all up... in the post season, with the pressure on, kobe underperforms in the big picture, and lebron overperforms
Post season stats:
PPG: Lebron 28
Kobe 25.4
Assists: Lebron 7
Kobe 4.8
Rebounds: Lebron 8.4
Kobe 5.1
FG%: Lebron 46%
Kobe 44.8%
Steals: Lebron 1.7
Kobe 1.4
PER: Lebron 26.3
Kobe 22.3Comment
