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  • HoldEmHook!!
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    • 10-08-09
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    #141
    Originally posted by Hotlanta Steam
    @lyon804...

    You do realize that historical data has very little importance in college football since several players graduate each year... The fact is... the SEC was way down this year... Ole Miss, Kentucky, Miss St, Tennessee and Auburn were down right awful this year...

    Vandy was a surprise this year but still only finished 6-6 and 2-6 out of the sorry SEC east, Florida went in the tank after Brantley went down and never fully recovered (did you see them lose that horrible game to Florida State?) ... South Carolina without Lattimore had to squeak by the above awful Tennessee and Florida... Everyone pointing to the win over Clemson needs to understand that Clemson quit in the game before against NC State and they are a shell of the team they were earlier in the year since Sammy Watkins got injured...

    You SEC homers act like we don't watch football... the fact is we watch more than just the SEC which probably means that we watch more than you since you seem to think any other conferences' games are so beneath you...

    You say statistics don't lie...well all the computers which run strictly off statistics say that the Big 12 was the best conference this year by a wide margin over everyone...
    Yes we watch SEC football because it's the best, we actually play DEFENSE. 5 teams with 10 wins and 3 teams in the top 10. But I guess you are right, we are down. Please stop being a hater, every time you post it's an admission of ignorance. It's not your fault, you are blinded by envy. Look at the bright side of Bama and LSU playing each other means you can rejoice in the fact an SEC team will lose the big game.
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    • HoldEmHook!!
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      • 10-08-09
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      #142
      Originally posted by Hotlanta Steam
      First off... I can tell that you did not play D1 athletics... we all knew the basketball coaches (women's and men's) very well when I played in school... we shared tutors with the basketball players, shared weight rooms and other athletic facilities ate together at the dining hall etc...

      Also did any of you people actually watch the Okie St /Iowa St game?

      OSU had awful luck the entire game and still should have won...every tipped or deflected ball ended up in a Cyclone players hands whether on offense or defense. Also... the game winning FG from a normally clutch kicker went directly over the upright... it was a judgment call by the ref to call it good or no good...

      We are talking less than 6 inches here from this conversation being moot....
      Boo Who, it's so sad, and if my aunt had balls she would be my uncle. If Bama made 1 of 4 field goals your moot point would be irrelevant. It's like a Chinese proverb, wancha some getcha some,
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      • stevenash
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        • 01-17-11
        • 65646

        #143
        Originally posted by Big Bear
        Alabama already had a chance to play LSU in their home stadium and they blew it. So no ofcourse they dont deserve it but it doesnt matter politics and media will have them in the championship.

        game is in Louisiana and it will be a huge home crowd advantage for LSU.
        Alabama is the second best team in the nation, just so happens the second best team in the nation is from the same conference as the best team in the nation.

        Why should there not be a rematch? For all intents and purposes the first game was played to a tie.
        It needed a ridiculous over time rule to decide the tie breaker.
        Only an idiot would not want to see a rematch to see a 60 minute tie breaker game.

        Sucks to be Okie State, if they did not choke on their opportunity to a crappy Iowa State team, as a what? 3 TD favorite? they would not be bitching and moaning right now.

        Oh? If Okie State did not play in a nanci-boi, lingerie flag football conference, they would not be 10 and 1 right now.

        The next team Okie State plays that has any sort of defense, will be their first game.

        The BCS Championship game is the game played by the #1 ranked team versus the #2 ranked team.

        NOT the #1 ranked team versus the #2 ranked team who is not from the same conference as the #1 team.

        #1 versus #2
        LSU versus Alabama

        Deal with it.

        It's going to be a moot point anyway after the Sooner beat Okie State outright later today.

        One last point?
        game is in Louisiana and it will be a huge home crowd advantage for LSU.
        How so?

        1) Both schools get the same amount of tickets.
        Correct me if I am wrong, but the two teams playing in the title game get 17,000 tickets each.

        2) Alabama and Louisiana are practically neighbors, if Mississippi didn't get in the way.
        You make it sound like it's a major inconvenience for fans of Alabama to get to New Orleans.
        It's like a trip to the corner store to them.
        Hop on I-59, drive straight for a few hours, you are there.
        It's a little over a 250 mile drive.

        It's not like the Tide fans have to travel to Bangor Maine, which they would if they have to.
        Trust me on this, there is no HUGE HOME CROWD ADVANTAGE, both teams will be represented equally?

        3) There is no home field advantage either.
        Both teams have not set foot in the Superdome all year, it's a neutral field, LSU played all their home games at Tiger Stadium this year, not one game has been in the Superdome.

        Carry on dude.
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        • broadway6
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          • 11-14-09
          • 13337

          #144
          Originally posted by stevenash

          Alabama is the second best team in the nation, just so happens the second best team in the nation is from the same conference as the best team in the nation.

          Why should there not be a rematch? For all intents and purposes the first game was played to a tie.
          It needed a ridiculous over time rule to decide the tie breaker.
          Only an idiot would not want to see a rematch to see a 60 minute tie breaker game.

          Sucks to be Okie State, if they did not choke on their opportunity to a crappy Iowa State team, as a what? 3 TD favorite? they would not be bitching and moaning right now.

          Oh? If Okie State did not play in a nanci-boi, lingerie flag football conference, they would not be 10 and 1 right now.

          The next team Okie State plays that has any sort of defense, will be their first game.

          The BCS Championship game is the game played by the #1 ranked team versus the #2 ranked team.

          NOT the #1 ranked team versus the #2 ranked team who is not from the same conference as the #1 team.

          #1 versus #2
          LSU versus Alabama

          Deal with it.

          It's going to be a moot point anyway after the Sooner beat Okie State outright later today.

          One last point?
          game is in Louisiana and it will be a huge home crowd advantage for LSU.
          How so?

          1) Both schools get the same amount of tickets.
          Correct me if I am wrong, but the two teams playing in the title game get 17,000 tickets each.

          2) Alabama and Louisiana are practically neighbors, if Mississippi didn't get in the way.
          You make it sound like it's a major inconvenience for fans of Alabama to get to New Orleans.
          It's like a trip to the corner store to them.
          Hop on I-59, drive straight for a few hours, you are there.
          It's a little over a 250 mile drive.

          It's not like the Tide fans have to travel to Bangor Maine, which they would if they have to.
          Trust me on this, there is no HUGE HOME CROWD ADVANTAGE, both teams will be represented equally?

          3) There is no home field advantage either.
          Both teams have not set foot in the Superdome all year, it's a neutral field, LSU played all their home games at Tiger Stadium this year, not one game has been in the Superdome.


          Carry on dude.

          Unlike game 1 where Bama scored 6 points in a packed "Bama" house. They choked...like it or not.
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          • stevenash
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            • 01-17-11
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            #145
            I am neither a LSU or Alabama fan.
            I think defense had more to do with nine total points then 'choking'

            Choking is losing to a crappy Iowa State team as a 3 TD (or whatever) favorite when you can control your own destiny.

            Sorry, losing to Iowa State in that situation is the essence of 'choking'

            Carry on dude, do yourself a favor, don't bet the Houston Cougars today either.
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            • Sabear
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              • 08-22-10
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              #146
              Originally posted by ttwarrior1
              only thing about it that sucks is, if alabama wins they think they are national champs, in my book they would be even , both with win
              This is an interesting statement to me as in no other sport do we think this way. When the Patriots win the Super Bowl, do we go back and suggest the Jets won because they beat them in the regular season? Same applies for NBA, MLB, etc.

              It's like the NCAA Football minds can't understand that we have a regular season followed by a reshuffling into the "postseason"

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              • floridagolfer
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                • 12-19-08
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                #147
                A rematch works only if LSU wins again. Otherwise, we've proved nothing.
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                • stevenash
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                  • 01-17-11
                  • 65646

                  #148
                  I'm in the camp of "if it is indeed Tide versus LSU for all the marbles, and if 'Bama does win the rematch, split vote city, co-champs"
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                  • Hotlanta Steam
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                    • 09-08-10
                    • 896

                    #149
                    Originally posted by HoldEmHook!!
                    Yes we watch SEC football because it's the best, we actually play DEFENSE. 5 teams with 10 wins and 3 teams in the top 10. But I guess you are right, we are down. Please stop being a hater, every time you post it's an admission of ignorance. It's not your fault, you are blinded by envy. Look at the bright side of Bama and LSU playing each other means you can rejoice in the fact an SEC team will lose the big game.
                    See this is the typical SEC fan response... an assumption of envy and an air of superiority as if they are entitled to being the best conference year in and year out...

                    Guess what fools...not all of us on here are big FAN BOYS... some of us are on here because we actually make money gambling on a sport we love...

                    I am no BIG 12 fan boy or homer... in fact my team is not even in the BIG 12... the fact is all the computers have the Big 12 ranked number 1 for a reason...MATH...

                    Very hard to argue against numbers (THIS YEARS NUMBERS) until teams actually get on the field and play the game out...

                    Seems to me like SEC fan boys might be a little scared to get on the field with Okie St or Stanford.... There might actually be some prestige to lose and some crow to eat after January 8th...


                    BTW... mark it down right now... If UGA limits themselves to 1 turnover and does not allow LSU to return kicks... (i.e. all touchbacks on kickoffs and fair catches on punts) then I am giving you a promise that they cover the number and will have a 50/50 chance of winning the game... LSU is not invincible...
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                    • broadway6
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                      • 11-14-09
                      • 13337

                      #150
                      Originally posted by stevenash
                      I am neither a LSU or Alabama fan.
                      I think defense had more to do with nine total points then 'choking'

                      Choking is losing to a crappy Iowa State team as a 3 TD (or whatever) favorite when you can control your own destiny.

                      Sorry, losing to Iowa State in that situation is the essence of 'choking'

                      Carry on dude, do yourself a favor, don't bet the Houston Cougars today either.
                      you score 6 points at home and lose and everyone wants a rematch. should have taken care of business at home imo. It's just a shame that nobody else really deserves to play in the game so it will be a rematch. Wouldn't it be nice if there was a playoff?
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                      • stevenash
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                        • 01-17-11
                        • 65646

                        #151
                        Originally posted by broadway6
                        Wouldn't it be nice if there was a playoff?
                        I'd settle for a +1 at this point.

                        Hey, like I said, I am not a Roll Tide yahoo, but there is no other team that has a better resume than 'Bama right now to deserve to say "hey, we clearly deserve a shot at LSU in the big game"
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                        • Hotlanta Steam
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                          • 09-08-10
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                          #152
                          Originally posted by stevenash
                          I'd settle for a +1 at this point.

                          Hey, like I said, I am not a Roll Tide yahoo, but there is no other team that has a better resume than 'Bama right now to deserve to say "hey, we clearly deserve a shot at LSU in the big game"
                          PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE tell me what resume Alabama has.... that is laughable. They beat three FBS teams with a winning record and frankly Auburn and Penn St suck royally.... there is no "resume'"
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                          • Albert Pujols
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                            #153
                            Originally posted by stevenash
                            I'm in the camp of "if it is indeed Tide versus LSU for all the marbles, and if 'Bama does win the rematch, split vote city, co-champs"
                            Yeah, great idea. I guess the Patriots are half champs of 2007-2008. They beat the Giants a month before the Superbowl.

                            Championship games have a winner and a loser. It's one postseason game for all the marbles.
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                            • stevenash
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                              • 01-17-11
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                              #154
                              Originally posted by Hotlanta Steam
                              PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE tell me what resume Alabama has.... that is laughable. They beat three FBS teams with a winning record and frankly Auburn and Penn St suck royally.... there is no "resume'"
                              Tell me something, what 1 loss team is more deserving?
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                              • goldendome23
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                                • 04-18-11
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                                #155
                                Originally posted by stevenash
                                Tell me something, what 1 loss team is more deserving?
                                The team that's played 6 teams winning record who they are 5-0 against with the opportunity to be 6-0.

                                Instead of a team who's played 4 teams with winning records and is 3-1. Who's quality wins are Arkansas, Auburn and Penn State.

                                Not much of an argument when it comes to resume's.
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                                • stevenash
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                                  • 01-17-11
                                  • 65646

                                  #156
                                  Originally posted by goldendome23
                                  The team that's played 6 teams winning record who they are 5-0 against with the opportunity to be 6-0.

                                  Instead of a team who's played 4 teams with winning records and is 3-1. Who's quality wins are Arkansas, Auburn and Penn State.

                                  Not much of an argument when it comes to resume's.
                                  Who?
                                  Okie State?

                                  LSU would whip them by 21

                                  Please
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                                  • goldendome23
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                                    #157
                                    And Alabama is more deserving b/c of the amazing schedule they played?
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                                    • HoldEmHook!!
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                                      #158
                                      Originally posted by Hotlanta Steam
                                      PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE tell me what resume Alabama has.... that is laughable. They beat three FBS teams with a winning record and frankly Auburn and Penn St suck royally.... there is no "resume'"
                                      Please x 3, tell me the resume of whatever team you support to play for the BCS championship.
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                                      • HoldEmHook!!
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                                        #159
                                        Originally posted by goldendome23
                                        The team that's played 6 teams winning record who they are 5-0 against with the opportunity to be 6-0.

                                        Instead of a team who's played 4 teams with winning records and is 3-1. Who's quality wins are Arkansas, Auburn and Penn State.

                                        Not much of an argument when it comes to resume's.
                                        The same team that lost as a double digit favorite to a shitty team......Please
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                                        • goldendome23
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                                          #160
                                          Originally posted by HoldEmHook!!
                                          The same team that lost as a double digit favorite to a shitty team......Please
                                          Lol so quality wins aren't weighed into the equation at all? Just losses? Yeah that makes a lot of sense.
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                                          • stevenash
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                                            • 01-17-11
                                            • 65646

                                            #161
                                            ^
                                            Dude, the SoS of Alabama and Okie State is almost identical.
                                            Okie's SoS is slightly tougher, but insignificantly tougher.
                                            For all intents and purposes, the two teams SoS was equal.

                                            Moving forward.
                                            Okie State yields 28 points a game.
                                            Okie State's only loss was to a crappy Iowa State team as an almost 3 TD fave.

                                            Alabama's only loss was to #1 LSU, and for all intents and purposes that game was a tie, it took an awful overtime rule to determine a winner.

                                            Okie State needed 52 points to beat Kansas State, because K State dropped 45 on the Cowboys.
                                            Okie State barely got by an overrated Texas team.
                                            Okie State got 2 favorable referee calls to beat Texas A&M by a point back in September.

                                            With the exception of the LSU game, Alabama was never challenged all season
                                            Mind you the SoS of Alabama and OK State are virtually even.

                                            Once again, throw out the LSU game, Alabama was NEVER CHALLENGED.
                                            Look it up.
                                            Tide beat every ranked team they played, with the exception of LSU by 3 scores or me.

                                            I get it, you are a 'Bama hater, but look at this objectively.
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                                            • KGambler
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                                              #162
                                              Even if Alabama wins, how would that make them "national champions"? LSU would still have a much more impressive resume. They would be 1-1 head to head (with LSU having beaten Alabama on their own home field), LSU played a tougher schedule and LSU is the SEC champion.

                                              So in what way could Alabama be considered a real national champion?

                                              They should not rematch. Even if Alabama does win, LSU should be the AP National Champion and the "BCS Championship" will be meaningless.
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                                              • Albert Pujols
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                                                • 06-01-10
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                                                #163
                                                Originally posted by KGambler
                                                Even if Alabama wins, how would that make them "national champions"? LSU would still have a much more impressive resume. They would be 1-1 head to head (with LSU having beaten Alabama on their own home field), LSU played a tougher schedule and LSU is the SEC champion.

                                                So in what way could Alabama be considered a real national champion?

                                                They should not rematch. Even if Alabama does win, LSU should be the AP National Champion and the "BCS Championship" will be meaningless.
                                                What planet do you live on? Are the Phillies the MLB champs in your fantasy world?
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                                                • stevenash
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                                                  • 01-17-11
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                                                  #164
                                                  ^
                                                  So, by your logic, and team inferior to Alabama deserves to play LSU?

                                                  (not you AP)
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                                                  • HoldEmHook!!
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                                                    #165
                                                    Originally posted by stevenash
                                                    ^
                                                    Dude, the SoS of Alabama and Okie State is almost identical.
                                                    Okie's SoS is slightly tougher, but insignificantly tougher.
                                                    For all intents and purposes, the two teams SoS was equal.

                                                    Moving forward.
                                                    Okie State yields 28 points a game.
                                                    Okie State's only loss was to a crappy Iowa State team as an almost 3 TD fave.

                                                    Alabama's only loss was to #1 LSU, and for all intents and purposes that game was a tie, it took an awful overtime rule to determine a winner.

                                                    Okie State needed 52 points to beat Kansas State, because K State dropped 45 on the Cowboys.
                                                    Okie State barely got by an overrated Texas team.
                                                    Okie State got 2 favorable referee calls to beat Texas A&M by a point back in September.

                                                    With the exception of the LSU game, Alabama was never challenged all season
                                                    Mind you the SoS of Alabama and OK State are virtually even.

                                                    Once again, throw out the LSU game, Alabama was NEVER CHALLENGED.
                                                    Look it up.
                                                    Tide beat every ranked team they played, with the exception of LSU by 3 scores or me.

                                                    I get it, you are a 'Bama hater, but look at this objectively.
                                                    ......Well said
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                                                    • HoldEmHook!!
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                                                      #166
                                                      Haters keep hating, and I will watch the game on Jan 9th with personal interest. ROLL TIDE!!!!!!!!!!!
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                                                      • goldendome23
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                                                        #167
                                                        I'm not a bama hater by any means. But the reason Bama wasn't challenged all season is b/c they played a soft schedule. All those ifs about how they needed 52 points to beat K State, calls going their way, doesn't matter. If they both end the year with one loss, it's obvious who has a better resume. You only play 4 teams with winning records and go 3-1. Your best wins are Arkansas, Auburn, and Penn state versus Baylor, Kansas State, Texas, and pending Oklahoma. Better body of work should play for national championship that's all I'm saying.
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                                                        • HoldEmHook!!
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                                                          #168
                                                          Originally posted by Hotlanta Steam
                                                          See this is the typical SEC fan response... an assumption of envy and an air of superiority as if they are entitled to being the best conference year in and year out...

                                                          Guess what fools...not all of us on here are big FAN BOYS... some of us are on here because we actually make money gambling on a sport we love...

                                                          I am no BIG 12 fan boy or homer... in fact my team is not even in the BIG 12... the fact is all the computers have the Big 12 ranked number 1 for a reason...MATH...

                                                          Very hard to argue against numbers (THIS YEARS NUMBERS) until teams actually get on the field and play the game out...

                                                          Seems to me like SEC fan boys might be a little scared to get on the field with Okie St or Stanford.... There might actually be some prestige to lose and some crow to eat after January 8th...


                                                          BTW... mark it down right now... If UGA limits themselves to 1 turnover and does not allow LSU to return kicks... (i.e. all touchbacks on kickoffs and fair catches on punts) then I am giving you a promise that they cover the number and will have a 50/50 chance of winning the game... LSU is not invincible...
                                                          If you were such a big time gambler then you would be analyzing the match-up to find value, but yet you claim to make money gambling all the while whinning about Bama's rematch. A real money making gambler would post his play or post nothing at all, not argue why some other team deserves a chance.


                                                          I will give credit where it is due...great post about UGA/LSU, spot on
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                                                          • jjgold
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                                                            #169
                                                            Okl St belongs in final game

                                                            Bama did not even have to play the last few weeks
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                                                            • goldendome23
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                                                              #170
                                                              Originally posted by jjgold
                                                              Okl St belongs in final game

                                                              Bama did not even have to play the last few weeks
                                                              Couldn't agree more
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                                                              • KGambler
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                                                                #171
                                                                Originally posted by stevenash
                                                                ^
                                                                So, by your logic, and team inferior to Alabama deserves to play LSU?

                                                                (not you AP)
                                                                Of course... how can you even ask that? You think Boise State should get into the BCS ahead of TCU just because they would be favored on a neutral field?

                                                                The ACC sucks. I would still rather see V Tech.

                                                                Or of course OK St. (assuming one of those teams wins tonight).

                                                                Alabama can not win a real national championship. There is nothing they can do in one game to surpass LSU. They had their chance, at home, and they lost. There is nothing they can do against this 13-0 SEC Champion to surpass them in one game.
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                                                                • broadway6
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                                                                  • 11-14-09
                                                                  • 13337

                                                                  #172
                                                                  i think the fact that every fan outside of Alabama and Sec country would like to see a different game. Why not give Okie State a shot? Again, Bama lost at home. Give someone else a shot.
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                                                                  • KGambler
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                                                                    #173
                                                                    Originally posted by jjgold
                                                                    Okl St belongs in final game

                                                                    Bama did not even have to play the last few weeks
                                                                    I would love to see them get punished for scheduling North Texas, Kent State and an FCS school in their non-conference schedule. I hate that bullshit.

                                                                    And I like Alabama.
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                                                                    • goldendome23
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                                                                      #174
                                                                      Originally posted by KGambler

                                                                      I would love to see them get punished for scheduling North Texas, Kent State and an FCS school in their non-conference schedule. I hate that bullshit.

                                                                      And I like Alabama.

                                                                      THANK YOU!!!!
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                                                                      • stevenash
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                                                                        • 01-17-11
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                                                                        #175
                                                                        Great thread, everybody voicing their opinion without anybody getting personal.
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