Are Basic Strategy / "Wong" Teasers DEAD?

[jolmscheid]

Hey guys...with so many books shading their lines against these types of teasers, do you think these are no longer profitable? We all know these teasers were profitable following blindly in the past, but what's your take on these now and heading into the future??

[jolmscheid]

Look forward to some thoughts and debate on this!

[jolmscheid]

Bump...

[P.F.Kasooff]

Linemakers are like the US Marines: "Improvise, Adapt and Overcome"

[CarpeDime]

not dead but definitely not the abundant free money they were for a while, which is of course to be completely expected once something like that becomes so ridiculously widely-know

the concepts can still be very much in play when combined with capping, but the blind betting value isn't nearly what it once was, although it does still definitely exist, if you know what it looks like, you can find it, at least temporarily

[rfr3sh]

Dimer sharp as usual

[Darkside Magick]

they still there , just have to find them. the -120 kill the excitement of finding them though

[Bobby D]

They were dead a while ago when they made them all -120

I remember when you could get them +100

[Darkside Magick]

They were dead a while ago when they made them all -120

I remember when you could get them +100

that what i meant..i remember +100 on wong teasers. thats why i said it kill the excitement when you find one

[brahmabull117]

you can still make plenty of money with wong teasers - you just gotta recognize which teams are a good choice and which are not



Seattle at ST louis is NOT a good choice - they've been blown out a million times over the last 2 years
Jags @ Cleveland is a GREAT choice - Cleveland almost never wins by more than 1 possession

[jmathes]

I have never been a fan of betting Wong Teasers but I have been killing it betting 4 Team 13 point teasers the last 2 years.

[FourLengthsClear]

There are still one or two shops (not US friendly) that will let you play Wong teasers from a -110 base. To a large extent though the 'game' has moved on. Correlation between teaser legs has also been shut down 'thanks' in no small part to information posted on sites like SBR.

[jolmscheid]

Good insight here guys...what are 'fair' odds for a 13-point 4-teamer? Man, lots can go wrong I would think when trying to pick 4 games right...

[iFrat]

I have never been a fan of betting Wong Teasers but I have been killing it betting 4 Team 13 point teasers

[Louisvillekid1]

not dead, just gotta pick your spots...

[C.S.]

The majority of bettors tease a -13 down to a -7, rather than take +2 to +8. You can give people all the information they'll ever need and the majority still do their own thing, hence, the 4 t 13point comment earlier.
Most bettors aren't sharp, nor care to be sharp... which is why it makes no sense that these books cater to the 5% who play B.S. instead of 95% of their base.
We still do 3team +180, guys that know what they're doing beat us (using basic strat) the rest monkey around and lose.

[rfr3sh]

3 teamers +180 are key

[jolmscheid]

3 teamers +180 are key

Can I ask why 3-teamers at +180 is better than 2-teamers at +100 or -105?

[rfr3sh]

where can you get 2 teamers at +100 or -105 ?
besides 5 dimes , but they wont offer any "wong-able" lines

[Firefox14]

There are still one or two shops (not US friendly) that will let you play Wong teasers from a -110 base. To a large extent though the 'game' has moved on. Correlation between teaser legs has also been shut down 'thanks' in no small part to information posted on sites like SBR.

I play at a US friendly book with -110 base, if you're referring to 6 point teasers??

[Firefox14]

3 teamers +180 are key

How about +175? Close enough?

[FourLengthsClear]

Can I ask why 3-teamers at +180 is better than 2-teamers at +100 or -105?

The average odds for each leg on a -105 2-teamer is -256
The average odds for each leg on a +180 3-teamer is -244

[rfr3sh]

How about +175? Close enough?

yeah that should be fine, very small difference but it doesnt matter if the book offers numbers that aren't wongable,
which book is this

[FourLengthsClear]

I play at a US friendly book with -110 base, if you're referring to 6 point teasers??

Yes but specifically about Wong teasers i.e 6-point teasers that go completely through 3 and 7 in American football e.g tease from -7.5 to -1.5. These gave the player a mathematical edge.

[Pancho sanza]

Can I ask why 3-teamers at +180 is better than 2-teamers at +100 or -105?

Can't say one is better than the other without knowing what the win probability on the 3rd game you want to tease is.

[jolmscheid]

Why can't one compare lines to a sharp book like pinny? I mean if they have a game set at -7.5 when 'your' book is at -7 why not tease it still? I know its not a true Wong but what if you are basing it off of pinny or greek, etc?

[Pancho sanza]

Why can't one compare lines to a sharp book like pinny? I mean if they have a game set at -7.5 when 'your' book is at -7 why not tease it still? I know its not a true Wong but what if you are basing it off of pinny or greek, etc?

I would tease that all day.

[rfr3sh]

You need to find +1,5 to 2.5 dogs and -7.5 to 8.5 favs
if pinny has these numbers then the +1.5,2.5,-7.5,-8.5 will be +101 or greater therefor not a play

now lets say pinny has the line -7 and your book has 7.5, then you check the drop down menu to see if it applies

[FourLengthsClear]

I would tease that all day.

Me too.

[rfr3sh]

When does that happen lol

[Firefox14]

Yes but specifically about Wong teasers i.e 6-point teasers that go completely through 3 and 7 in American football e.g tease from -7.5 to -1.5. These gave the player a mathematical edge.

Yes, just checked. Simulated if I made a bet on the Lions (from -7 to -1) and Cowboys
(-7.5 to -1.5) and it was available at -110. Assuming these are Wong Teasers, it should work. Or does pushing on the 7 not count?

[Firefox14]

Nevermind. Didn't read the posts above. I'd have to double check when one line moves. My fault.

[Firefox14]

Actually, it works afterall!

Line Competition Match Teaser Forecast
1 **College Football Lines** Clemson v NC State 6.0 Clemson -1.5
2 ***NFL Football Lines*** Dallas Cowboys v Washington Redskins 6.0 Dallas Cowboys -1.5

Stake 5 USD
Accumulated Odds
-110
Potential Win (including stake amount) 9.55 USD
Bonus Points 15

[rfr3sh]

dont tease college

[LT Profits]

dont tease college

Not TERRIBLE to tease college if total is mid-40s or less.